Subject: Re: Peppermint Pig -- explained
Subject: Heidi Berry
Subject: Re: sTina nordensTam
Subject: Re: Breeders hypnosis
Subject: Re: Gus Gus
Subject: Re: Breeders hypnosis
Subject: Re: Breeders hypnosis
Subject: Re: Breeders hypnosis
Subject: Re: the 500 mark
Subject: doy of the dead
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive
Subject: Re: Breeders hypnosis
Subject: Lamb
Subject: Mail order
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive
Subject: Re: Lamb
Subject: Re: medeski, martin & wood
Subject: Re: the 500 mark
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 12:18:53 EST
On Tue, 29 Oct 1996 20:29:40 -0700 Jens Alfke
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 22:11:18 -0600
Just this little post to say that Miracle is Ms. Berry=B4s best effort to
date. The music is VERY uplifting and is having a heavy rotation period in
my cd player... What singles came out with this lp?
What i=B4m also wondering: where is that supposed collaboration with=
Brendan?=20
Pepe
Giving a chance to Skylab=B4s #1
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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 17:35:19 -0700
22:20:41 +0000
> excuse me but i was just wondering how two whole people
> had managed to talk about the wonderous stina nordenstam
> without mentioning 'little star'. this song is the
> summeriest summery summer song ever written
Well, it is pretty darned autumnal here. Sure 'little star' is great, but don't
you think some songs on the Memories of a Colour album are even better?!?
I can't wait to hear the new album. Thanks for the info about Canadian release
Jeff! ( ... and clever capitalization of her name--is that your idea?)
Does anyone know if this will be released in the US? If not, how can i order it
from Canada? I'm sure many of us on the Stina list are dying to know this
information so i'll pass it on to them.
-cz ... i'm thinking of a color
... don't think it's got a name ...
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 04:13:27 GMT
On Wed, 30 Oct 1996 10:42:25 -0800, Dan Shubin
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 10:26:09 PST
funny thing is, ive done exactly the same and u know what ive gotten?:
jack shit!
On Tue, 29 Oct 1996 07:12:06 -0500 harrison fnord
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:33:46 -0500
'Musical communication' has to do with a lot more than "proficiency".
There are alot of different things about music that 'communicate' its
message, manifesto, forward thinking, avant-gardeness etc. There's the
visceral/sensual aspect of just raw sound (see various bands from MBV, to
Seefeel, to Ride to numerous other examples), there's an
inteleectual/subversive edge of songs that make you question your very
foundations of what IS a song (HNIA, Ian Masters, etc), and then there's
bands that just slap you in the head and say 'its still just rock n roll'
(JAMC, Breeders, others). It doesnt neccesarily take talent or
proficeincy to accomplish any of the above, but it does take vision. Its
sorta like so many adds looking for musicians to join a band that say
"Eddie Van Halen need not apply"... there's a lot to be said for
technical mastery, but there's a hell of a lot more to music besides that.
I cant speak for the Paladins cuz I've not heard them. But as far as the
Breeders go, perhaps you need to see them live to understand how much
control they reeally do have over their music. NOBODY knows how to pull a
hook out of thin air like Kim. And very few people can carry so much
style in their apparent disregard for style. As a band, they can go from
evoking a strange dark atmospheric sound to a raw two fisted rock-out in
such a way that puts both genres in a new light.
Art is a science with more than seven variables. Musical profiency is one
of these variables. But sometimes it isnt the best vehicle to communicate
a musician's vision.
That being said, your right a lot of the music out there is crap. But
sometimes you need to alter your definitions when your trying to sift out
the chaffe.
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:04:21 -0700
Dan Shubin opines:
>I have to express an opinion about the Breeders and the Paladins. The
>Breeders IMHO are one of the worst bands signed to major distribution.
>They are unoriginal, out-of-tune and don't seem to have anything to
>say.
Have you listened to "Pod" or just "Last Splash"? I agree entirely about
the latter, but "Pod" is a very, very weird album that repays several
listenings. I got it when it came out and it didn't do much for me at
first (out-of-tune was definitely one of my complaints) and then on about
the fourth listening it clicked. The songs are quite strange, don't do
what you expect them to do, and there's a really appealing amateurishness
about the whole affair which I think is mostly caused by (as I've been
told) Kim's having written most of the songs back in high school.
The great failure of their subsequent material is that Kim probably had
to start writing new songs -- clearly somewhere down the line her naivete
had worn off and the newer songs just sound like very derivative
modern-rock.
As for "one of the worst bands signed to major distribution", this is the
kind of absurd exaggeration that strikes too many of us. Are you really
saying with a straight face that the Breeders are worse than REO
Speedwagon, Styx, Poison, Tiny Tim, Dan Hill ("Sometimes When We Touch")
or Lobo ("Me And You And a Dog Named Boo")? And that's just scratching
the surface. GO to the cut-out bin of your local record store (or the
used section) and in 30 seconds you can discover dozens more 'artists' a
million times worse than anything ever released on 4AD.
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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:16:10 -0700
Dan writes:
>One thing I
>have to emphasize about being able to play and communicate in musical
>language (proficiency)--these bands you mentioned did not go into the
>studio and just bash out a bunch of crap and make history. They KNEW
>what they were doing, don't kid yourself.
You've switched the argument from "being able to play your instruments"
to "knowing what you're doing", which I submit are totally different
beasts.
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 03:47:06 -0600
Greetings...
cz wrote:
> Anyone agree that we ought to have an increased focus here on the "ethereal"
> sort of music that isn't talked about much on pure-impure? After all 4AD did
> pioneer the sound and we might have a critical mass of DCD, CT, HNIA, This
> Mortal Coil fans here. There's plenty of new music in this vein that deserves
a
> place here but seems to not quite fit in on the pure/impure list: Love is
> Colder than Death, Love Spirals Downwards, Rosewater Elizabeth, Velour, Bel
> Canto, Hector Zazou, etc.
Yes, I agree wholeheartedly. There are many bands that are
discussed here that I just don't give a shit about, and I delete a lot
of messages (more than I actually read). But I certainly don't want
to unsubscribe, because there is a good deal of material that I am
actually interested in. As far as this list is concerned, I am
interested primarily in: HNIA, CT, DCD, Xymox, Wolfgang Press (early
material). I also happen to like a lot of "shoegazer" artists like
Ride, My Bloody Valentine, etc. I really enjoy Love Spirals
Downwards, Miranda Sex Garden, the really ethereal female vocal stuff,
I also like guitar that's very shimmery and oceanic (does that make
any sense?). I mostly like the earlier 4AD artists, which I know just
absolutely infuriates some people on this list-- sorry, I can't help
it, I like what I like, and some of the more recent 4AD releases are
Shite. However, artists like HNIA and DCD are still thriving, and I
believe CT as well (but this is a tough call). Yes I'm definately
interested in talking about something a little more ethereal. You
asked, I answered.
Yours in Truth-
Greyson Welch
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 14:41:31 -0600
Excuse me... day of the dead:
FELIZ DIA DE LOS MUERTOS A TODOS!
Amour, -Ariel.
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 14:42:54 -0600
are there going to be any dates for Houston? Or texas for that matter?
Please say YES...
_Ariel.
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 14:23:16 -0600
), but if there's one band it
>is torture for me to listen to, it's the Rose Chronicles -- screeching
>pretension, ugh.
Agree! I bought it 'cause the Lush/guitar connection but after 4 months
since i got it i=B4ve only heard it twice...=20
can I have my money back?
Pepe
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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 22:33:37 PST
a fine 'self titled debut album' . (what's the deal with these anyway? I
refuse to believe that people with infinite creativity for music can't
think of two good names.)
buying that album was a shot in the dark for me and it's always great
when one of these impulse buys turns out so well. I've only listened to
it twice so I wont review it now. on first impression it sounds like
'portishead' reincarnated as a techno/dance band. or maybe its EBTG
reincarnated as a good band. I love the groovy tempo and especially the
eclectic drum machine. I think this is the kind of music that fits the
'pure-impure' title. (don't hesitate to call me on that if I'm wrong)
perhaps someone will post a proper review?
btw. anyone heard about "MEDESKI MARTIN & WOOD" ? they feature in ATN's
sonic lodge but the sound quality there is not a whole lot better than
random static noise. (http://www.addict.com)
-naor-
"sergeant pepper's lonely nibelungen man"
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 18:23:23 -0000
Hello,
Could someone please post the 4AD mail order address?
Thanks.
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 20:57:32 +0100
At 12:14 31-10-96 -0500, Ritzche wrote:
>Warren and crew will be going out with none other thatn the Red House
>Painters. there are not lots of dates, but we are busy planning a tour for
>January where HNIA will headline.
So no chance of a HNIA Euro tour??? But then, I don't think they sold more
than 500 copies of 'Stars On ESP' this side of the Atlantic.
Frank
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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 21:40:20 -0500
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