Subject: HNIA List!
Subject: Joy Division/NewOrder Lyrics in DCD?
Subject: Re: Re[2]: a certain ratio
Subject: Re: new scala cd!
Subject: Re: LUSH 8 'Single Bloke'
Subject: Re: Joy Division/NewOrder Lyrics in DCD?
Subject: The worst of the eighties
Subject: Re: Flock of Seagulls????
Subject: Ultravox
Subject: Re: No HNIA :<(
Subject: Re: Ultravox
Subject: not finding HNIA...
Subject: Re: Ultravox
Subject: Re: E.P.S.E.P.S.P.E.S.P...
Subject: Re: Ultravox/let the offlisty bullshwag begin!
Subject: Re: The worst of the eighties
Subject: Re: hullo!
Subject: Re: The great Cocteau purges
Subject: The great Cocteau purges
Subject: Re: new scala cd! yesyesyesyes!
Subject: Ultravox
Subject: Re: The great Cocteau purges
Subject: Re: DCD content
Subject: Re: E.P.S.E.P.S.P.E.S.P...
Subject: Re: New things
Subject: GreAT 80'S
Subject: Re: Ultravox
Subject: Cornershop... listie?
Subject: Re: E.P.S.E.P.S.P.E.S.P...
Subject: Re: E.P.S.E.P.S.P.E.S.P...
Subject: The 4AD-list summer tape swap.
Subject: Re: Ultravox
Subject: Re: Ultravox
Subject: Re: Joy Division/NewOrder Lyrics in DCD?
Subject: Re: The 4AD-list summer tape swap.
Subject: Re: E.P.S.E.P.S.P.E.S.P...
Subject: Krzysztof Kieslowski question
Subject: Re: The 4AD-list summer tape swap.
Subject: HNIA in EW
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 02:33:26 -0000
well, i know it's been a long time coming but:
I'm announcing the Warren/HNIA/ESP/Everything Else list
I'm still trying to figure everything out so bear with
me guys.
mail to:
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and in the BODY (no no not the subject line)
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and that should do it.
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:22:53 +0400
Ok, here's a question for JoyDiv/NewOrder Heads. Which DeadCanDance
songs featured lyrics reminescent of some Joy Division and NewOrder songs?
Cheers
Umur C.
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Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 11:36:14 GMT
>> Other related bands - Simon Topping left to form Quando Quango.
>No he didn't, QQ was formed by Mike Pickering (the later Hac DJ) and
Gonnie
>Rietveld . Topping left for NYC (and a girl living there...) to study
>percussion. He returned with a 12" on Factory Benelux, called 'Prospect
>Park' (a park in NYC, isn't it?).
...that would be the same Simon Topping who contributed to the extra
tracks (eg 'Dream Topping' - geddit?) on the splendid _Guitar and Other
Machines_ CD by The Durutti Column?
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:27:22 +0100
> from "Aaron Thorne" at Jul 20,
96 10:50:50 pm
mark&sarah Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:56:09 -0700
> LUSH 8 'Single Bloke'
>
> Frank Brinkhuis ([email protected])
> Fri, 19 Jul 1996 15:59:42 +0200
>
> I'm afraid I lost the original post from the person telling that he
> had heard a rumour about the new UK promo 12" for Lush '500 (Shake Baby
> Shake)' (LUSH 8) including BBC Radio's Mark Radcliffe and some other guy
> (forgot his name) doing their own version of 'Single Girl', called 'Single
> Blokes'. I got the 12" today and it DOES indeed include an uncredited extra
> track, 'Single Bloke'. They changed the lyrics (and play the song
> themselves?). The lyrics are so obnoxious that it MUST be Radcliffe.
the other guy is the boy lard aka marc riley, ex of the fall and the
creepers. they do this quite a lot, changing other people's songs. off the
top of my head they have versions of:
single girl - lush
henry lee - nick cave / polly harvey
bluebeard - cocteau twins
dizzy - throwing muses
inbetweener - sleeper (available on a proper sleeper release)
french disko - stereolab
feel alright - supergrass
that's nice(?) - minty
there's also an advert for a fake lp of cockney knees-ups done in the style
of the tindersticks which is quite funny.
andy
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clive sinclair stole my childhood...
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 02:23:32 -0700
On Mon, 22 Jul 1996, Umur Celikyay wrote:
> Ok, here's a question for JoyDiv/NewOrder Heads. Which DeadCanDance
> songs featured lyrics reminescent of some Joy Division and NewOrder songs?
Easy one there. "The Carnival Is Over" quotes The Eternal (JD) with "the
procession moves on, the shouting is over". That's the only one I've
noticed. Are there others? Of course "Threshold" from the first DCD
album sounds very Joydivisiony, maybe a bit like "Wilderness". No lyrical
similarities though since Lisa does the vocals on that one.
aaron
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 12:47:34 +0400
Jeesus am living one hell of an 80's revival-retro-flashback...
How about some of the worst of the worst?
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 12:44:00 +0400
>
> Yeah, and what about:
>
> Bronski Beat, China Crisis, Cabaret Voltaire, Anne Clark, Dead Or Alive,
> Depeche Mode, Freur, Kissing The Pink, Rainbirds, Scritti Politti, Soft
> Cell, Yazoo and Richard Clayderman...
>
> Emiel Efdee
> ...
> the Netherlands, July 19, 1996
> ... [email protected]
>
the fixx
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:42:13 -0400
I recall listening to Ultravox with minimal interest. Then came the
"Live Aid"..."Band Aid"...the Bob Geldolf extravaganza, and I saw the
3 songs by Ultravox. I was so impressed by Midge Ure's
voice...especially in "Vienna" (I can understand how some people get
so entranced by opera singers). I have the songs on video and it always
touches a nerve when I see it. The earlier Ultravox, with Jon Foxx,
is just as good, if not better, but the memory is stuck in Live Aid and
will always keep the Midge Ure years on top.
TIM CONLON
[email protected]
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:39:42 -0400
On Tue, 9 Jul 1996, Layne McLean wrote:
> Typing this and listening to 'Electronic' instead of HNIA.
>
ya know, i pulled the same manuevure (sp?) after not
finding HNIA in _my_ hometown and am just as pleased
as punch with this new Electronic disc.
If you dont like 'Technique', you probably wont dig
Raise the Pressure, but i find it to be sparklingly
delicious. britpop schmidt-pop! _This_ is pop
muse sick. And quite the philosophical treatise from
barney on the inner sleeve, eh?
so buy it. and dont be fooled by 'forbidden city'. Listen
_all_ the way to the end of the cd.
dan
whose been on vacation, only to find 696 messages in his emailbox
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:31:56 -0400
lbo wrote:
> anyway, the last time I heard of Fox, 8-9 years ago, he was into composing
> religious music (cfr. his version of Pater Noster).
Sorry to have to disagree with you, but this is not accurate.
A few (*very* few) of his songs could be said to have vaguely spiritual
overtones, I wouldn't call any of them religious really. And it's
certainly not what he was "into". He was really just getting more and
more romantic, moving away from the "Hidden Man" mysteriosity schtick.
--
John Porter
[email protected]
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:47:26 -0400
Is anyone else not finding the new Stars on E.S.P. in places that should
have it? I stopped by a Tower Records and a HMV and neither one had it.
I mean, I realize that HNIA is not exactly a chart-bursting group, but
this is their 4th album from 4AD which now has [reasonably] good US
distribution. So you'd think they might get it in stop before the
Christmas holiday rush...
-greg
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:29:09 -0400
Terry Collins wrote:
> Aren't a couple
> of the band members still hanging around and releasing stuff as
> Ultravox? It seems to me there was a CD out last year, but I
> never heard it.
Yep. I haven't heard it, but a review I read said that it was
basically stinky. Don't remember which guys are in this
"Ultravox", but Midge isn't one of them. I'd guess that
Billy Currie is one, though. Any of you ever hear his
solo album on NoSpeak? It was great, in my opinion. There was
a Yes guy on it too -- White? Squire?
And as I'm sure we're all aware (since we're in Reminisce mode),
Visage was Ultravox's "disco" project. Poor stupid Steve Strange.
> And what about former Ultravox front man John Foxx's
> 1980 album "Metamatic"? Any of you fans remember this stuff?
O my God, I am the biggest John Foxx fan.
--
John Porter
[email protected]
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:37:28 -0700
>what the hell does 'E.S.P.' mean?
after listening to the new HNIA, it must mean:
E g g S h a k e r P a r a d i s e
laters,
rod
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:39:44 -0400
On Mon, 22 Jul 1996, Paul Walsh wrote:
>
> With taste like that - GET OFF THIS LIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
... some of us
> were listening to things that mattered.
>
>
like the sound of your ass. but this is the 90s.
so pull yer head out of it and settle down.
sheesh...
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:12:03 -0700
>Jeesus am living one hell of an 80's revival-retro-flashback...
>How about some of the worst of the worst?
Some of us just wish (well, I do, anyway) we were into better music in the
early '80s like The Birthday Party and Bauhaus, and wish we were savvy
enough to buy all those rare 4AD records while they were slightly less
rare! Personally, I've been back-tracking ever since I bought "Lonely Is An
Eyesore" and realized the existence of an amazing 4AD back catalogue.
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:33:51 -0700
princess dragonlisa wrote:
> I was just wondering if anyone wanted to do another tape swap like the
> one I did last summer???
*yes* as soon as i get moved to amherst, mass in another week, i'm definitely g
me.
and for the new listies - the *great* tape swap :) is the opportunity to make a
ix tape
and receive a mix tape and finally hear some of those groups you have been wanti
g to
find out about and keeping reading about inbetween the flame wars here on 4ad-l.
last
summer i was introduced to spoonfed hybrid, stereolab, his name is alive, pram,
hat
dog, and so much more. way excellent and way worth while. - drew
ob.ps - any amherst listies out there? if so, drop me a *private email* line. -
d
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:18:13 -0400
On Fri, 12 Jul 1996, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:
>
> And coke.
>
> I think everything that Guthrie said in all interviews between '85 to
> '92 can be ignored.
>
> --
....aaah, same old 'im better than this guy cuz he's a dirty
drug sniffer' schlock. im not even gonna go there, except to
say that robin+drugs=holv, bbk, some of fcc, treasure, victorialand
and basically the entire catalogue. think drugs are bad?
then dont take them. want to discredit the work of people
you dont know solely on the basis of their being drug users?
first grow a brain.
dan k
who thinks that coke and diet coke are exactly that same,
except that coke is less addictive and singularly responsible
for about 40% of the music that i love....
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 14:03:41 BST
+0200 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 12:51:51 EST
So, could someone post a brief discography of Scala and whether there is
overlap amongst albums? I'd be bummed if I bought the same material
twice.
Thanks.
Lawren
[email protected]
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>
>oh, btw, the disc compiles the two 7" they released for too pure...i doubt
>american will be releasing it in the u.s., and a lot of the lyrics i
quoted
>came from excerpts in the liner notes (though all the lyrics aren't in
>there)...
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 15:10:00 GMT
With taste like that - GET OFF THIS LIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The 80's was a time for ACR, 23 Skidoo, Clock DVA, Section 25 .....
not teeny-bopper-pop-trash like Ultravox!!!!!
Get serious!! The same goes for all you people creating that thread
about other 80's trash like Flock Of Seagulls etc, when you were
wearing pastel coloured shirts and dancing to crap new wave some of us
were listening to things that mattered.
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Date: 22/07/96 14:31
I recall listening to Ultravox with minimal interest. Then came the
"Live Aid"..."Band Aid"...the Bob Geldolf extravaganza, and I saw the
3 songs by Ultravox. I was so impressed by Midge Ure's
voice...especially in "Vienna" (I can understand how some people get
so entranced by opera singers). I have the songs on video and it always
touches a nerve when I see it. The earlier Ultravox, with Jon Foxx,
is just as good, if not better, but the memory is stuck in Live Aid and
will always keep the Midge Ure years on top.
TIM CONLON
[email protected]
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 15:27:20 +0100
Jul 22, 96 02:03:41 pm
Simon Hughes Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:31:34 -0400
On Sat, 20 Jul 1996, L.K. Grier wrote:
> i haven't had time to read mail (tomorrow), but i've been scanning subjects
> titles, and there seem to have been only 3 comments (incl. mine) on DCD's
> wednesday nite nyc show, and hardly any postings on DCD at all...a couple week
> ago they were a hot topic...wha' hoppen?
i saw dcd last nite and wept openly. a double pox on e's
stodgy bellyaching for ancient dcd history to be regurgatated.
i'm talking P R O G R E S S. you are allowed to diss spiritchaser
but only because it is a pale stepsister in comparison to the
true goods in performance. set list? i remember the following:
nikera
rakim
persian love song
piece for solo flute
indus
tristan
unreleased lisa song that she also did live for mirror pool tour
american dreaming, with extra verse and diffo lyrics!
yulunga (sp?)
cantara
another unreleased song probalby lisa's.
and the 2nd encore was indeed 'Dreams Made Flesh', which
had brendan playing yang chin and lisa singing all cuddly
up next to brendan. they hugged warmly and kissed after the
song was performed and then waved goodbye.
i was moved, touched etc..... and couldnt help but pick up
a 'swansong' vibe from the two of them. as if this could
very well be the end of dcd after this tour? i hope not,
but progress is painful, and sometimes requires breaking
completely with the past. so quit pining for another aion
and go see them. and if you've been dissuaded from buying
spiritchaser, think again. its the doo-doo.
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:37:07 -0700
extra sensory perception?
>At 12:25 19-07-96 -0700, you wrote:
>>Emiel Efdee wrote:
>>
>>>what the hell does 'E.S.P.' mean?
>
>ESP = American jazz label from the '70/'80's
>ESP = Dutch (Amsterdam based) ambient label
>
>Frank
>+++++++++++++++++++
>Frank Brinkhuis
>[email protected]
>+++++++++++++++++++
>
>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 15:44:39 +0200
on Fri, 19 Jul 1996 05:39:02 +0200)
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 13:58:25 -0400
The 80's rules for music, none of this teen agnst(nirvana, peral jam ) bullshit
bands like Talking Heads, Sugarcubes, Camper Van Beethovan, Devo, early OMD,
House of Love, Haircut One Hundered, English Beat, the Specials, Madness,
Ah-a and many others I can't remember at this time. On the other being from
Canada I can definatley identify some of the worst 80's bands seeing most of
them came from Canada
The god-awful Canadian 80's compliation
1. Loverboy
2. Aldo Nova
3. Toronto
4. Headpins
5. Trooper
6. April Wine
7. Glass Tiger
8. Haywire
9. Alyannah Miles
10. Alanis "Morrissette"(Canada aplogizes for then and now)
11. Streetheart
12. Prism
13. Mitsou/Celine Dion
14. Kish
15. Platnium Blonde(and any offshoots)
16. Gowan
17. Jeff Healey
18. Northern Pikes
19. Chillawack
20. Max Webster/Kim Mitchell
21. Corey Hart
22. Rik Emmet
23. Slik Toxic
24. Skid Row
25. Honeymoon Suite
26. Men without Hats(Saftey Dance and beyond)
27. Chris Sheppard presents....
On the postive note
1. Skinny Puppy
2. Jane Siberry
3. Front line Assembly
4. Delerium
5. Rush
6. Voivod
7. Strange Advance
If you have any additions please go ahead or compile one for your country.
Alex
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 13:20:38 -0500
96 09:29:09 am
>
>
> Yep. I haven't heard it, but a review I read said that it was
> basically stinky. Don't remember which guys are in this
> "Ultravox", but Midge isn't one of them. I'd guess that
> Billy Currie is one, though. Any of you ever hear his
> solo album on NoSpeak? It was great, in my opinion. There was
> a Yes guy on it too -- White? Squire?
>
Never heard NoSpeak. What is it like? And I believe it was
Yes keyboardist Rick Wakeman that was on that album.
-iSpy-
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 14:58:41 EDT
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 14:40:05 -0400
On Mon, 22 Jul 1996, Rick Stone wrote:
enhanced sexual pleasures
>
> extra sensory perception?
>
> >At 12:25 19-07-96 -0700, you wrote:
> >>Emiel Efdee wrote:
> >>
> >>>what the hell does 'E.S.P.' mean?
> >
> >ESP = American jazz label from the '70/'80's
> >ESP = Dutch (Amsterdam based) ambient label
> >
> >Frank
> >+++++++++++++++++++
> >Frank Brinkhuis
> >[email protected]
> >+++++++++++++++++++
> >
> >
>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 14:13:29 -0400
>what the hell does 'E.S.P.' mean?
hmmmm...... E.xtra S.nooty P.erson is what pops into my head....
grasshopper
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 15:33:05 -0500
>princess dragonlisa wrote:
>> I was just wondering if anyone wanted to do another tape swap like the
>> one I did last summer???
>
>*yes* as soon as i get moved to amherst, mass in another week, i'm
>definitely game.
>
>and for the new listies - the *great* tape swap :) is the opportunity to
>make a mix tape
>and receive a mix tape and finally hear some of those groups you have been
>wanting to
>find out about and keeping reading about inbetween the flame wars here on
>4ad-l.
I was WONDERING when and if we would all do this again. This might be a
good way to bring feelings of peace, harmony, and unity back into our
little group.
My tape swap partner stiffed me last year. I ended up with nuthin'.
But I am already making the mix tape. Lisaroo, just tell me when--I'm
already at the starting block.
John
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 11:53:47 -0700
> Never heard NoSpeak. What is it like? And I believe it was
> Yes keyboardist Rick Wakeman that was on that album.
To clear this up, the Billy Currie album is called
"Transportation" and it features Steve Howe. Currie
has a more recent album too, but I haven't heard it.
The first one is a really fine instrumental album,
based a little in new age, but not annoyingly so.
It can't really be put in any one genre. My roommate
says it sounds like Mike Oldfield, but I can't say
anything about that.
Post-Ure Ultravox only features Currie
as the only member previously having anything to do
with Ultravox. Their first album I believe was called
"Revelation" and it was quite stinky indeed!-- The kind of
album you only listen to once and throughout wish you
hadn't bought. I think there's another abomination album and some
singles out more recently. There have also been a few different
'best of Ultravox' albums, plus two CDs of b-sides. All the John Foxx
solo stuff is on CD, but you have to be lucky to find any of it.
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 13:13:38 -0500
Jul 22, 96 03:10:00 pm
>
> With taste like that - GET OFF THIS LIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> The 80's was a time for ACR, 23 Skidoo, Clock DVA, Section 25 .....
> not teeny-bopper-pop-trash like Ultravox!!!!!
>
> Get serious!! The same goes for all you people creating that thread
> about other 80's trash like Flock Of Seagulls etc, when you were
> wearing pastel coloured shirts and dancing to crap new wave some of us
> were listening to things that mattered.
>
>
Is this guy for real??
Nothing like a bit of aggressive subjectivism.
A little self indulgence goes a long way.
Lighten up.
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 15:18:10 -0500
For me, it has to be 'Truth' (from 81=B4s Movement...). Starting from the
creepy music down to the lyrics, this Neworder period has the same goth
notes that DCD had a long time ago.
BTW, Spiritchaser is growing on me. It=B4s a different DCD but is defintly a
serious improvement. it shows the kind of music DCD have been wanting to do
since Aion and Lisa=B4s solo lp.=20
If you=B4re afraid to listen to it... don=B4t! Give it a break and pick it=
up!
Also, another great disc is Blue Nile=B4s 'Peace at last' . What can I say=
but
it is exacatally on the same level as 'Hats'. The music is more organic,
more natural and the mood on the disc is a very positive one. The first 5
songs are IT!=20
The disappointment of the week is Electronic=B4s 'Raise the Pressure'. Only=
4
songs (out of 13) are good, the rest is dance music that sounds like
Blackbox or something like that. It has that italian sounding disco piano
all over it, along with tons on female disco divas backing the ill-voiced
Barney. The new single and 'For you' (2 track) are, however marvelous
albums like Republic and 'For You' has a guitar taken from any of your
favorite Smiths=B4 song. Johnny Marr=B4s best guitar playing so far...
Enough writing,
Nos Vemos!
Pepe
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 17:44:53 -0400
i would like to join this tape swap as well
please give details as to when you want to start this
shar
[email protected]
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 17:48:01 -0400
E.VEN S.NAKES P.EE?
E.VERY S.UCKER P.LAYS?
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 21:36:29 -0400
sorry to have to ask this here, not sure where else to look for answers, and
since I know a good number of you are fans of his, I thought I'd ask....
I thought BLUE was brilliant.....so yesterday, I finally found time after
seeing BLUE 3 weeks ago to rent and watch WHITE. A few points of WHITE
intrigued me~~
-first, did any notice, in the second scene in the courtroom, while
they were giving testimony, a lady walked in and was promptly escorted back
out by one of the guards since it appeared to be a closed proceeding. Was
this in fact the woman from BLUE? some sort of carryover? it looked alot
like here, but I couldn't tell.
-speaking of carryovers, is there any particular meaning of the old
person with a cane recycling bottles in each movie?
-lastly, in the final scene, just what is Dominique trying to tell
Karol at the end....I'm not very good at sign language.....i figured out a
bit or two, but alas, I need to know the rest~~~
thanks in advance,
~^blu^~