Subject: Re: ESP Continent vs ESP Summer
Subject: D,D&E (Daylight, dreams & echoes)
Subject: Chimera live at NYC
Subject: Re: shinkansen stuff
Subject: Re: ESP Continent vs ESP Summer
Subject: Re: ESP Continent vs ESP Summer
Subject: Re: hector zazou--varttina
Subject: His Name is Alive flexi
Subject: Re: zazou/budd
Subject: Re: hector zazou
Subject: reviews + what the cK happened to BiZ?
Subject: DCD > US
Subject: 4AD > US
Subject: Re: your mail
Subject: Mojave 3
Subject: magnetic fields
Subject: Re: magnetic fields
Subject: Re: class action lawsuits and whatnot...
Subject: Intra-band relationships/expanding the cocteaus debate/clueless
Subject: Re: Intra-band relationships/expanding the cocteaus
Subject: Clan of Xymox bootleg?
Subject: 4AD > US releases
Subject: Re: shinkansen stuff
Subject: Re: Mojave 3
Subject: Re: Mojave 3
Subject: Re: magnetic fields
Subject: Re: magnetic fields
Subject: Re: Mojave 3
Subject: Re: Mojave 3
Subject: Re: Intra-band relationships/expanding the cocteaus
Subject: Re: Mojave 3
Subject: Re: New good. Old bad. Baaaa!
Subject: Re: His name is whot?
Subject: Slowdive
Subject: Finding HNIA - cdnow
Subject: Re: New good. Old bad. Baaaa!
Subject: Re: His name is whot?
Subject: Re: Clan of Xymox bootleg?
Subject: Dead Can Dance in Philly
Subject: Re: His Name is Alive flexi
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 22:55:54 -0500
Joseph Burns wrote:
> ESP Continent is pretty much the straightforward sessions of
> callaboration between Ian Masters and Warren Defever. Its sorta in the
> vein of Spoonfed Hybrid musically, sparse but interesting instrumentation
> with a focus on Ian's voice and melody.
>
> ESP Summer takes the same session material and
> remixes/re-masters/defeverizes the songs ala Warren Defever. It takes a
> few of the songs and adds alot of production texture and atmospheric/dub
> effects.
Oh. Well, if you put it that way, then yes, the ESP Continent CD is not
the same as the ESP Summer 10". However, the ESP Continent CD is the same as
the ESP Summer cassette (and also the forthcoming ESP Summer CD on Perdition
Plastics).
> ESP Summer is avail as a 10". ESP Continent is avail as a French import
> on CD. ( I still have a couple copies if anybody's interested post me
> privately)
And needless to say, we still do have copies of the ESP Summer 10" available,
so e-mail me for details, if any of you, heaven forbid, are still interested.
;)
Danke,
hk
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nowhere, makes it, and then gets clobbered." -- Melvyn Bragg
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 01:16:37 -0700
Last night I had a dream Audrey Gallagher from scheer was my girlfriend.
Then I woke up and discovered I had feel asleep with the CD player in
repeat mode, playing "Infliction" over and over again as I drifted into
deep REM sleep. Details of the dream can be obtained by e mailing me
privately... A ha ha ha ha!!
Jeff Keibel
Toronto, ON
CANADA
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 01:12:20 -0400
I just fund out that Chimera will be playing at Brownies in NYC on
Aug. 14. If you live in NYC, you might want to check them out. By the way,
anyone knows if Chimera has any new release coming out?????
-JH
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 01:12:41 -0400
> btw, went to see blueboy the other day and christian eternal / slowdive
> was serving behind the bar...
I'm assuming that Blueboy is on shinkansen too, correct? Or is there
upcoming 7" a one-off?
jason
[email protected]
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 14:32:50 +0900
I'm sorry to send the previous message to the list.
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Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 14:29:49 +0900
At 10:55 PM 96.7.12 -0500, a bear of very little brain wrote:
>And needless to say, we still do have copies of the ESP Summer 10" available,
>so e-mail me for details, if any of you, heaven forbid, are still interested.
>;)
Yes I'm still interested.
I checked your web site and come to know that you have ESP Dolphins too.
I'd like to get each one copy of ESP Summer 10" and ESP Dolphins.
How much it will be with airmail postage and packing ?
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Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 01:12:58 -0400
...and just to take this to its furthest tangent. varttina has three
releases of their own and all are quirky finnish folk songs. not exactly
thislisty unless you take a sidestep to the north of bulgarian voices.
the latest 'aitara' is definitely worth a listen (se on ihan hyvaa, ma
luulen...but i am a bit biased towards things finnish.)
> Yes Yes Yes! By all means buy this! The Bjork tune is an Icelandic folk
> song, amazingly sad. The Siouxsie is, well, Siouxsie.... Many other
> cool things on there--Varttina, a group from Finland, doing a souped-up
> (by Hector) Finnish folk song. The low point in the album is the Suzanne
> Vega/John Cale song "Ocean" (or whatever)--my advice is program the track
> out.... Otherwise, the album is amazing--Inuit songs, an Ainu tune (the
> indigenous people of Japan)--generally neat stuff....
>
>
> Get it if you can!
>
> (just my $.02 tho)
>
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 03:22:25 -0400
digest processor" at Jul 13, 96 00:01:26 am
someone wrote
> does anyone care to comment on the hnia 'my canada' flexi from
warped > reality?
yes, it's brilliant! (oops, sorry i'm biased)
someone else wrote
> yeah, why can't i find the darned thing...after trying two GOOD reputable
> book stores and Tower AND Border's..... no one has ever heard of
> it...and I know I've seen it somewhere before...... anyone in the
> Detroit area help?
it *is* available at tower. not sure how their distribution works,
though. it may take a while to actually get into stores. since you're in
detroit, it's also available at the record collector. chances are you
won't find too many at waldenbooks or barnes & ignoble.
-Susan
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 00:48:38 +0600
1996 20:20:50 -0700
> >as a zazou freak, i highly recommend "Glyph". in fact
> anything by these artists separately is just toe
> tingling...so go and buy.
>
> Sorry to be so clueless, but can someone tell me what
> connection these two artists have in common?
>
> Clueless in Seattle,
What they have in common is the album "Glyph"--isn't that how this thread
started?
They had it at Orpheum (Seattle) last time i checked.
-cz
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 00:43:42 +0600
1996 20:06:16 -0700
> >hector zazou also has a cd out called sahara blue
> w/lori carson, john cage, gerard depardieu + more. the
> music is an interpretation of arthur rimbauds poetry and
> is quite beautiful.
Yes this is gorgeous but no, Lori Carson and John Cage are not on it (i have the
US version, but i don't think they're on the import either). Perhaps you were
thinking Anneli Drecker and John Cale, or even more thislisty, Brendan Perry and
Lisa Gerrard. Anyway it's my favorite of the Zazou disks.
> There's another which I haven't heard mentioned called
> "Songs from the Cold Seas" which has collaborations with
> Bjork, I think Siouxsie, and some others. Haven't heard
> it but want it.
Actually this is GREAT as well (not really due to Siouxsie or Bjork's input
though). Several of us have mentioned this when it first came out but ...
Anyway there are some quite moving songs and it's grown on me quite a bit. This
one is more "world" than Sahara Blue.
I also have "Geologies" and "Geographies" which are both very engaging modern
classical works. As a shameless Zazou-ophile i am ashamed to admit that i
haven't bought Glyph yet but i will.
The only thing i've heard that i wasn't GAGA over was something something Bongo.
Even *that* was quite interesting but just not worth the import price.
-cz
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 03:53:12 -0400
Just wrote to him at his summer AOL account and got a goofy message from
someone who has no idea what I am talking about. Eric you here on this list?
Anyway it seems he has simply disappeared into thin air...
Updated Worst Albums ov 1996 List:
1. Ride - Tarantula (0/10)
2. Electronic - Raise the Pressure (1/10)
3. Dead Can Dance - Spiritchaser (2/10)
4. The Cure - Shite Mood Swings (2/10)
5. Cocteau Twins - Milk & Kisses (4/10)
Yes, I finally had the pleasure of hearing the hot new Electronic
record....my GOD this is the wackest shit I have heard since I don't know
when. With the exception of the single itself, every song on the album is
worse than the single b-sides, and with one exception they are all MUCH worse
than those songs. Not only are they stylistically lame, and not only are they
sing-songy as hell, but the record is almost devoid of the Marr guitar work
like you hear on the single. It is all this horrid dance music like I haven't
heard in a very long time. lamer than Technique, lamer than most of the crap
early 90s techno we all were forced to listen to...it is just hideous.
Sumner's vocals are nothing like on that one song. The melodies are
offensively cheezy; one song is actually moe syruppy than that song from
Friends, and that is no joke. He sings off pitch now and then. The whole
production is just amateurish and gives the impression that these people sat
on their asses for three years and then one day decided to write an album
based on the accumulated knowledge of their childhood. They have not learned
to use their equipment, they have not bothered to do one ounce of rewriting
for their music or lyrics. What we have here is an effortless record, and for
that it may only be the second worst album of the year, but it is certainly
far more despicable than Tarantula or any of those others. If I hear one more
piece of shit like this any time soon I may well stop buying records
altogether. Fuck the both of these miserable bastards. I'm returning this
rotten thing tomorrow.
Meanwhile, here's something I never thought I'd see, and I certainly didn't
think I'd risk it but I did, and it payed off some: a good His Name Is Alive
album. I am still absorbing the thing, but I will say that I like it, and I
will also say that except for the fact that some of it is--bite my
tongue--POORLY RECORDED (and no that is NOT cute or funny anymore anymore), I
am honestly impressed by what seems to have been put into the thing. It's not
the psychological ride that Home Is in Your Head was, but neither is it the
mess that Mouth by Mouth ruined my 1993 with. What we have here is a light,
thoughtful record that is consistent and doesn't lose control; i.e. it is not
the headbanging that turned MBM into the flagship for the downfall of 4AD and
it is not the reason I will probably never bother seeing HNIA live again.
That is, it is the good taste and careful construction of Where Knock Is Open
Wide as opposed to the tack and affected narcissism of Ear, the fun and love
of life you hear in Cornfield and Jack Rabbits, not the contemptuous screwing
around you hear in Dress Drink and Ink or the frustrated temper tantrum you
hear in songs like The Torso. The point being it's a pretty nice album, it
doesn't fall apart, and it doesn't treat the listener like shit. I may have
more to say about whether or not it is brilliant and visionary once I gather
a larger grasp of the album as a whole. What I can say right now is I enjoy
listening to it, the music is there and it's good, and I'm inclined to return
my respect to the people who made it. Yay.
On the other hand, it really is the time to dump v23 in a bag and toss it in
the river. With the exception of Lovelife, which was not ncessarily *good*
but at least had the advantage of being *charming*, they have recently been
responsible for the worst album art on the market. I've said it before and it
probably won't make any difference but I'll say it again just the same: TIME
TO FIND A NEW DESIGN FIRM.
Good afternoon everyone. Enjoy life before they outlaw it.
e
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 11:16:18 +0200
Someone on who went to a DCD concert in Washington wrote this in alt.music.4ad:
>>Goodies included a free single cassette of The Snake and the Moon, Song of
the Dispossessed, and Indus.<<
So be alert, take a few extra copies (and send one to me ;-)
Emiel Efdee
...
the Netherlands, July 13, 1996
... [email protected]
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 11:16:21 +0200
Oh... and someone else on alt.music.4ad wrote:
>>there was a rumor circulating about 2 mos ago that 4AD was closing down
its US offices and heading back to the UK, and would no longer be
distributed by Time/Warner here in the US. They would go back to the old
days, where you could only get all this stuff via import (and somehow,
that made the releases so much cooler---they felt rare when you bought
'em!)<<
Emiel
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 06:07:31 -0400
i think u are looking for Ask!, the smiths mailing list. :)
"good times, for a change, see the life i've had could make a good man bad"
JHR
On Fri, 12 Jul 1996, Shane Clark wrote:
> last night i dreamt that somebody loved me
>
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 13:40:11 +0200
I bought that Mojave 3 album a few days ago. Hey! It sucks! Did I
miss the denouncement of this album or something?
The tunes range from poor sub-Badalamenti dross like "Love songs on
the radio" Country Lite rejects like "Where is the love". It's quite
horrid. Fascinating in its sheer awfulness.
Ok, ok, that's a bit OTT. Some of the tracks are relatively
inoffensive -- "Pictures", for instance. And "You're Beautiful" is a
heavenly song. Worth the price of the album -- since I got it on
sale.
Tape "You're Beautiful" off a friend and stay clear of the rest of
this mess.
Oy vey.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
[email protected] * Lars Ingebrigtsen
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 08:23:33 +0000
>
>it's also the second best song on the last magnetic fields album, get
>lost. any other fans out there?
>
yes. but i do have a question for you. why is there a female singer on
the first two albums, and then a male singer on the next two? i thought
the change was rather abrupt. did she leave the band?
tony
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 09:58:47 -0400
96 08:23:33 am
> >it's also the second best song on the last magnetic fields album, get
> >lost. any other fans out there?
> yes. but i do have a question for you. why is there a female singer on
> the first two albums, and then a male singer on the next two? i thought
> the change was rather abrupt. did she leave the band?
> tony
I was under the impression that the Magnetic Fields was basically a one
man show (Stephen Merritt) and that the first two albums - The Wayward Bus
and Distant Plastic Trees, now released together on one disc by Merge -
featured Susan Anway as something of a guest vocalist. There was some
sort of odd irony with his blatantly gay lyrics being sung by a woman...
Having first heard MF on a SpinArt sampler called One Last Kiss, which had
the song 100,000 Fireflies, I too was taken aback when I heard Holiday,
which has Stephen singing. But somehow his voice fits the quirky Casio
music, don't you think?
-greg
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 00:39:44 +0930
On Thu, 11 Jul 1996, naor wrote:
> you damn yanks better stop complaining about cd's that cost
> $12.99 or I swear I'll come over there and kick your lucky
> asses. ;)
>
hea hear ... I shelled out $28 for HNIA's E.S.P today ..
cheapest in town ..
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Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 11:02:33 -0400
rekkid store folk
rather
>surprised that no-one's yet mentioned the (now historical) intra-band
>relationship between a certain drummer and a certain single girl...
Chris and Miki?
>200 years ago
>people didn't want "ground breaking stuff". they *wanted* the same old
>thing over and over again. they loved they opera they saw today and didn't
>care at all that it sounded very much like the one they saw last week.
I think there's still plenty of people around now who want to hear the same
old thing - why would there be classic rock radio, otherwise? I can't tell
you how many times I've heard people express opinions like "Why can't they
play something I know?" or "I haven't heard of this, so how can it be any good?"
The interesting thing about the opera example is that opera itself is a
misguided attempt to emulate the past - they thought the choruses in ancient
Greek plays actually sang their lines.
>> "They broke up"
>> "The band's name is 'Alive'? We don't have it."
>> "You mean the band 'Live'. They don't have anything new."
>> "It's in our warehouse. We should have it sometime next week. Maybe."
>> "If we have anything it's called 'Mouth by Mouth'."
A Brent Bambury anecdote:
"Do you have My Bloody Valentine?
"Uhhh...is that a band?"
"[pause] No, it's something I sent you. So I guess you didn't get my hate
letters either?"
Larry
"Some of it's done with mirrors/And some of it's done with scissors/Some of
it's done with cables and his hands under the table"
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 18:37:54 -0400
debate/clueless rekkid store folk
>>I'm rather surprised that no-one's yet mentioned the (now historical)
>>intra-band relationship between a certain drummer and a certain
>>single girl...
>
>Chris and Miki?
At last...
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 13:21:36 -0500
Whilst browsing a new Clan of Xymox page,
http://www.cybercomm.nl/~xymox/xymox.html
I found this CD listed:
DARK PLEASURES
CD ? GER ? ?
Bootleg Contains
Subsequent Pleasures (yes, I have the ugly US copy of this)
Live Schlachthoff Bremen 29/08/87 (I'm dying to hear this)
Stranger (Razormaid-Remix) (haven't heard it)
Does anyone have this CD? I've been looking for it for over 3 years. I've only f
und one person online who had it... he wouldn't sell it, of course. He did tell
e that it had an H.R. Geiger cover... so there's hope that it is out there.
If any of you know where I can pick this up, or would like to post a review, tha
would be great.
John
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Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 15:44:51 -0400
About the newsgroup post...
>>They would go back to the old days, where you could only get all this stuff
via import (and somehow, that made the releases so much cooler---they felt
rare when you bought 'em!<<
I'd say that 75-85% of 4AD releases are still this way. The Warner deal only
made it 100% easier to obtain CD and Cassette album releases. 4AD puts out
much more than this (EPs, singles, vinyl formats).
Actually, from talk on the mailing list, it seems that it's difficult to find
even domestic 4AD releases.
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 17:42:46 +0200
>I'm assuming that Blueboy is on shinkansen too, correct? Or is there
>upcoming 7" a one-off?
No, they signed to Shinkansen.
Frank
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Frank Brinkhuis
[email protected]
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Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 17:43:15 +0200
At 13:40 13-07-96 +0200, Lars wrote:
>I bought that Mojave 3 album a few days ago. Hey! It sucks!
You suck :)
Frank
...who's still waiting for 4AD first ever Norwegian signing.
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Frank Brinkhuis
[email protected]
+++++++++++++++++++
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 11:50:17 -0700
AGREED!!! It makes me so happy when I see that not everyone was deceived by
this (here we go again) Cowboy Junkies meet Leonard Cohen meet some Big Star
circa Third/Sister Lovers...thanks for reminding how bad Mojave 3 are (or
were--could you envision them doing a SECOND album???). The implosion of
4ad slouches forward (
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 17:43:24 +0200
>> yes. but i do have a question for you. why is there a female singer on
>> the first two albums, and then a male singer on the next two? i thought
>> the change was rather abrupt. did she leave the band?
>> tony
>
>I was under the impression that the Magnetic Fields was basically a one
>man show (Stephen Merritt) and that the first two albums - The Wayward Bus
>and Distant Plastic Trees, now released together on one disc by Merge -
>featured Susan Anway as something of a guest vocalist. There was some
>sort of odd irony with his blatantly gay lyrics being sung by a woman...
And what about the Sixths 'Wasps Nests' album? That's 15 (or 17, if you were
able to get hold of the 4x7" box) Merritt songs sung by as many artists such
as Mark Robinson, Barbara Manning, Lou Barlow, Mary Timony, Mac Superchunk,
Anna Domino, Robert Scott, Amelia Fletcher, Chris Knox, Stuart Moxham,
Georgia Hubley etc.
Out on London/Ffrr in the USA and on Factory Too in Europe. Certainly one of
1995's finest indie releases.
Frank
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Frank Brinkhuis
[email protected]
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Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 10:59:32 -0500
On Sat, 13 Jul 1996, a.e. nelson wrote:
> >
> >it's also the second best song on the last magnetic fields album, get
> >lost. any other fans out there?
> >
> yes. but i do have a question for you. why is there a female singer on
> the first two albums, and then a male singer on the next two? i thought
> the change was rather abrupt. did she leave the band?
> tony
i don't know if the female singer is still involved, but the male singer
is stephin merritt, the "main" member. he is one of my favorite male pop
singers. speaking of abrupt changes, you should hear the sixths album
(if you haven't already): every song is done by a different singer, and
the music is all done by merritt. one of the most brilliant, pure pop
joys i've ever heard.
BTW, has anyone heard the other merritt projects, gothic archies and
future bible heroes? i've heard one song by the latter and i was not
impressed. merritt was trying to "sing" and the overall production was
much cleaner (read: not as charming; boring). we have a friend who is
into "goth" music who is convinced that gothic archies will be great, tho
he's never heard them...
mark
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 16:41:06 -0700
is there is a big difference between saying an object (record/cd) sucks and a
person sucks?
does a smiley face substantially change the tone/meaning of "you suck?"
should anyone other than the artist take hearing someone say their work sucks
as a personal attack (& do they read this list)?
(not rhetorical questions)
> From: Frank Brinkhuis
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 23:06:19 +0200
Frank Brinkhuis
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 23:02:44 +0200
debate/clueless rekkid store folk
Chris Limb Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 23:00:14 +0200
"L.K. Grier"
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 22:57:55 PDT
lars writes:
>It might have something to do with growing familiar with a piece --
>loving it, knowing it backwards and forwards, being totally intimate
>with it -- and then a (virtual) copy of it comes along, and it all
>feels very *wrong*. Like an impostor. Like theft or plagiarism.
and
>Well then, why don't (most) groups evolve? As was pointed out, groups
>normally stay in a rut or make *very* abrupt changes. Very few groups
>stick to their horses and try to go deeper into what they are doing.
hey...I think you have something there. and you may have answered your own
question. see, if the audience can get that intimate and passionate about
a piece, then so can the artist who wrote it. it stands to reason then,
that he/she will be reluctant to make the changes to it. the artist then
will choose either to make a virtual copy of his first successful piece,
or try and make something completely different that cannot be compared to it
in the same way, a beginning musician has the choice of writing something in
an existing style that he knows people like (ex:classic rock) but he/she
have to except the fact that they will be compared to others of the same
style. (ex:he's good but U2 are better)
or, they can choose to make something different that wont fit into any
category and will be judged on it's own.
I know it may sound a bit cynical. I'm not saying that the artist is always
aware of this or makes this choice rationaly:
old - "people will almost certainly like it. but there is probably someone
out there who does it better"
new - "people may or may not like it. but if they do, I'm was the first one
to do it."
-naor-
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 17:45:44 -0400
<< No copies of _stars on
esp_.
hmmm. >>
you know, if people are having so much trouble finding this, just call or fax
the source -------- 4AD in the UK and mail order, that's why they set up the
servie isn't it?
although i did manage to buy the domestic, I faxed in my order on a Tuesday I
believe for the UK CD, LP, 45, and the EP.....by Thursday this week (that's
just 8 days) I had it in my mailbox. The LP's artwork is very lovely by the
way~~~~
Personally, I feel better giving my money directly to 4AD insted of some 18
punk kid working at the local dive shop who thinks Rancid is God's
gift...........
~blu
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 18:01:41 -0400
The other day I caught Slowdive's "Alison" on the radio, loved it, did a
little digging, and found out it's on their "Souvlaki" album. Is the rest
of the album just as good? Or any of their other material for that matter?
Also, I'm wondering about HNIA's "Stars on E.S.P"...I haven't seen it
anywhere here in Ottawa, Canada yet, and I'm wondering if the US release date
is also the Canadian release date, or do I have to wait longer...:(
Lastly, is MBV's "Isn't Anything" as enjoyable as "Loveless"? I saw it
the other day but passed it over as a result of uncertainty.
Thanks a bajillion.
--
Nathan Medema (aka...well, Nathan Medema) [email protected]
*** "If you're so special, why aren't you dead?" ***
-The Breeders, "I Just Wanna Get Along"
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 18:36:21 -0700
cdnow has it for $11.97 - http://cdnow.com (215-654-8076)
they show it as on backorder - i sent an email requesting more info
([email protected]).
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 22:38:43 GMT
At 21:17 7/12/96 +0000, you wrote:
>I've been thinking some about that interesting question that was
>raised a few days ago -- why is change good? As has been pointed out,
>in Olden Days that wasn't true.
>
>Because it really is true. Well, at least for me. I might find an
>album by a band to be total heaven -- a work of pure genious. Then
>the next album comes out and sounds just like the first one, and I'll
>regard the second album as some sort of abhorrant monster. (Well.
>You know.)
>
>It might have something to do with growing familiar with a piece --
>loving it, knowing it backwards and forwards, being totally intimate
>with it -- and then a (virtual) copy of it comes along, and it all
>feels very *wrong*. Like an impostor. Like theft or plagiarism.
>
>On the other hand, perhaps I just crave new things. I'm reminded of a
>Laurie Anderson thing -- she's holding a press conference in Israel.
>The journalist asks her: "Why is _new_ good?". "Well, because it's
>interesting." "Why is _interesting_ good?" "Well, uhm, because it's,
>like, *interesting*."
Speaking of ruts and speaking of the devil...Laurie Anderson is one such
"artist" who basically has derived a "formula" all her own, but there isn't
much evolution along the way. I had to give her up after the second LP,
after her first seemed so revolutionary and brilliant. Oh, well...
>
>New is more interesting than old. Many people don't feel that way,
>obviously. They feel that new things are threatening or confusing or
>something. Or perhaps they don't take note of their surroundings, so
>they don't really know whether something is new or old? I have music
>going every waking moment of my life, it seems, and I am passionate
>about what I listen to. Which is quite perverse.
>
>Well then, why don't (most) groups evolve? As was pointed out, groups
>normally stay in a rut or make *very* abrupt changes. Very few groups
>stick to their horses and try to go deeper into what they are doing.
>Stereolab, Dead Can Dance, His Name Is Alive and Coil are four groups
>that have evolved very naturally and are still doing their thaaang.
I gave Stereolab a try, even live...don't like em at all. But I know they
are well liked by lots of folks on this list & lots of my friends...so...to
each her/his own, as usual...
>The common denominator here is that these groups are all serious about
>what they do. They don't make music to be Pop Stars;
If CT had wanted to be "Pop Stars" internationally, they would have given up
a long time ago, I think!
they make music
>because making music is important to them. Bands that are stuck in a
>rut probably don't (really) care about making music. Does anybody
>really believe that Cocteau Twins' hearts were into making "Milk &
>Kisses"?
Yes! I do believe that...and from the critical acclaim, and rave reviews
from fans old & new who saw them on tour, there is definitely alot of heart
in all of it...hopefully, much more to come!
Carol Coney
>
>--
> "Yes. The journey through the human heart
> would have to wait until some other time."
>
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 22:47:03 GMT
At 22:15 7/12/96 +0000, you wrote:
>> "Uh, who?"
>>
>Someone wisely noted their run-ins with stores while asking for the new
>HNIA--
>
>> "They broke up"
>>
>> "The band's name is 'Alive'? We don't have it."
>>
>> "You mean the band 'Live'. They don't have anything new."
>>
>> "It's in our warehouse. We should have it sometime next week. Maybe."
>>
>> "If we have anything it's called 'Mouth by Mouth'."
>
>I enunciate o.k., at least to me I do (and I suppose that's what's 'good' ).
>
>I step up to the counter Tuesday the 9th of July at an unnamed rekkid store
>in Ohio and I say to the qualified attendant very courteously and
>sssllloooowwly (not to be condescending, just very clear). "Hi. Do-you-have
>the-new-HIS-Name-is-Alive?"
>
>the boy hears me, I believe, because he's giving me a
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 17:10:34 -0700
> Whilst browsing a new Clan of Xymox page,
I didn't know about that one. Will have to look.
> I found this CD listed:
>
> DARK PLEASURES
> CD ?
yep
> GER ? ?
maybe. what does GEMA mean?
> Bootleg Contains
> Subsequent Pleasures (yes, I have the ugly US copy of this)
It was rereleased on CD a few years ago, along with the CoX demos. Get
that instead of this if you're looking for the EP. This cd (Dark
Pleasures) must have been released before the rerelease because the
quality on Dark Pleasures isn't quite perfect. The quality on the
rerelease is though as it was taken from the original tapes.
> Live Schlachthoff Bremen 29/08/87 (I'm dying to hear this)
It is very good. The sound quality isn't quite that of an official
release but is a very high quality boot. I had my doubts about this
because I figured Clan of Xymox would have to depend too much on keyboards
and such to be very impressive live. Keyboards are indeed present, but
the guitar and bass carry the songs and avoid them from sounding
prerecorded or presequenced (whatever.) the live stuff takes up about 45
minutes of the cd. songs they played are michelle, stumble and fall,
louise, 7th time, stranger, moscovite musquito, a day, and medusa.
> Stranger (Razormaid-Remix) (haven't heard it) >
it's alright. sounds like someone messing around in soundedit. The
original (or maybe the remix on 4ad) is better.
> Does anyone have this CD?
yes, but i won't sell it either.
> course. He did tell me that it had an H.R. Geiger cover... so there's
> hope that it is out there.
um, it's a skull in clamps.
> If any of you know where I can pick this up, or would like to post a
> review, that would be great.
I got mine through cdnow last summer before they stopped selling bootlegs.
I've never seen it anywhere else. Sorry.
aaron