Subject: Re: No,*not* Whatever...
Subject: CT bio '96 (fwd)
Subject: Cd to trade
Subject: Re: 5 Ways of disapearing..
Subject: Re: ESP what the _________?!
Subject: Re: Yet another commercial jingle.
Subject: cocteau twins playlist....
Subject: what quique means
Subject: Re: MORE POLL RESULTS
Subject: Breeders, etc.
Subject: Re: Lottery Schmottery
Subject: Re: Lush in france ?
Subject: Re: Lush + STP
Subject: Re: WOULDBE LISTNAZIS: dont read! this post is a nanometer off
Subject: Re: WOULDBE LISTNAZIS: dont read! this post is a nanometer off
Subject: Re: DCD rumors
Subject: Re: The soup is ON / seeing Bill
Subject: Re: RHP single + album info (fwd)
Subject: Re: MORE POLL RESULTS(was Re. Pale Saints/Opal)
Subject: Elvia Sleeps
Subject: Re: WOULDBE LISTNAZIS: waaaahhhhh!! :~o
Subject: windy&carl/elysium...lookiehere!
Subject: Re: No, *not* Whatever...
Subject: Bad Mood Swings
Subject: Re: REMOVE MY NAME FROM LIST!!!!!!!
Subject: The Olympic Death Squad/Ida
Subject: FAQers!
Subject: DCD Ann Arbor Venue??
Subject: Re: RHP single + album info (fwd)
Subject: Re: what quique means
Subject: Bad Mood Swings
Subject: Re: Bad Mood Swings
Subject: Re: RHP single + album info (fwd)
Subject: Glen T. Greenman
Subject: Re: Elvia Sleeps
Subject: Re: what quique means
Subject: RHP Kill Your Idols
Subject: Auction stuff now fixed price and going cheap!
Subject: Re: Elvia Sleeps
Subject: Adventure Club Sessions CD
Subject: "shaving kit music" cd, Pale Saints for sale
Subject: Almost but not quite
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 00:52:52 EDT
Ernesto,
Nice to hear from you! Glad you're enjoying the CDs. And thanks for the support.
Glen
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 04:22:56 GMT
This was originally posted to the CT list. Before hating me, please
read. It's long, but it's hilarious.
Paul
On Mon, 6 May 1996 20:21:55 -0700 (PDT), Jack B Huynh
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 00:39:10 -0500
Listies,
I managed to get (don=B4t ask me how) two copies of Chandeen=B4s 'Jutland'
album. It=B4s on Hyperium and I think that many of you guys will surely like
music reminescent of Medusa (on some pieces).=20
Here=B4s the deal, since EVERYONE is saying how great Stereolab=B4s=
Emperor...
is, and living in a small city in Mexico (Torreon) I want to see if anyone
is interested in trading Stereolab=B4s Emperor... for Chandeen=B4s Jutland.
Please mail me at
[email protected]
and not to the list.
Gracias por su atencion...
Pepe
*************************************************
'Just give me an easy life and a peaceful death.'
The Sundays
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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 23:11:27 CST
>the only copy of Blue Flower I have is on the AVAM video. Is Blue Flower
>on the Throwing Back the Apple ep? That's the only ep I don't have.
yes, though the ep version doesn't have the 20 seconds of swirling guitar
fade in/out at the end of it. reflections from a watery world is a neat-o
instrumental and the remix of half-life, remembered is better than the
original.
>As for what's up with Pale Saints? *shrug* Maybe they'll record a new
>album?
i heard that song on the tom waits tribute cd (thanks, cz) and it seemed
like a return to the days of ian, though it was a cover. . .
>I know that Ian is now part of the ESP Family that worked on the
>new His Name is Alive album (and the track he sings is phenomenal), but I
>don't know about the rest of the band. Any PS maniacs out there with any
>info??
only a bit. farrago is still going to be putting out another spoonfed
hybrid ep and then there's going to be the perdition plastics esp summer cd.
ian also mentioned a 7" by oneironaut (i think i spelled it right) in the
last mailing he sent out. that's supposed to be out on derby records, but i
don't even know what oneironaut is, let alone if it's out yet. maybe
someone could divulge?
as for the band without ian, i heard they were working on another album at
one point, but it doesn't sound like 4ad will be putting it out when (and
if) they finish it.
sorry i couldn't be of more help,
BiZ
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 20:57:27 -0700
> Anyone heard the ESP FAMILY "Jubilee" 7" EP yet?
yep.
> "This World is Not My Home" has those rambling guitars again. A little Smog
> feel to this one. Very catchy stuff. Deceptively complex strumming/picking
It's not that complex. I've been able to figure it out... This one's on
the album, too. Or rather the His Name is Alive version is.
> Okay. So what's happened here? Has Warren decided to become so ornery and
This is ESP Family, not His Name is Alive... <:-) Anyway, I think the
single's nothing less than fantastic. Really. Unique (catchy?) production
techniques, strong material -- the aforementioned "this world.."
for example.
I'm glad Warren's projects don't all sound like His Name is Alive. Buy
the single! It's nice!
Mike
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 23:30:20 -0700
How about this...I saw Lush's Last night being played on a cop show. I
think it was the one with the guy who has all the powers. This guy was
typing on the computer and I changed the channel. Interesting huh?
Brian
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 21:07:12 -0700
some of you have seen it already in the fan forum, but i copied here for
others without web access...
Bruce ([email protected]) writes
London calling: just back from the gig at the Royal Albert Hall -
all of you who have tickets
for concerts on the current tour are in for real sonic treat. I would not
presume to tellyou how
fabulous an evening it was (the usual "dancing about architecture" rules
apply. Needless to say it
was magnificence in a magnificent setting ( we must immediately send more
miners to the coal face
of meaning to hew new adjectives to describe the music of the cocteau
twins). The music was very
crisp and powerful and Elizabeths voice superb. The set was a fascinating
mix of old and very new
( ie unreleased)- here it is:- Fifty fifty clown, Tishbite, Theft &
wandering, Half gifts, Golden vein,
Rilkean hearts, Pandora, Treasure hiding (hurrah!), Pitch the baby, wait
for it, wait for it......Wax
and wane !, Aloysuis, Lazy calm, Green (the new one), Calfskin smack, I
wear your ring, Iceblink
luck, Seekers who are lovers (3 cheers for our team), Violane. Encores
were Pur (swoon),
Carolyns fingers and ? Blue Bell Knoll. Tantilisingly the 8 tracks that
make up the possible final
song/s include Song to the Siren. The DJs on either side were also
excellent. If you recorded this
concert please, please let me have a copy, it was so good.
london, Uk - Wednesday, May 08, 1996
jack b huynh
[email protected]
http://www.cocteautwins.com/treasure
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 03:21:35 -0400
well, mark van hoen (he of aurobindo and seefeel crew) said that he was
writing down song titles but spelling them strangely. and instead of
writing "kick," he wrote "quique"... so there's not much meaning to it
really.
but everyone says "keek" i believe, i know daren seymour does.
lorelei tremolor,
who says LISTEN TO SCALA IT'S AWESOME
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 01:30:52 +0600
8 May 1996 17:22:02 -04
> Category: Most annoying 4AD-L retorts
> 1. Come on, this is answered in the FAQ...
> 2. That's right, I'm not going to give the answer here.
> Read The FAQ, Mate.
> 3. It's in the FAQ
> 4. FAQ OFF!!!
> 5. anything answer to a question that says "It's in the
> FAQ"
I'm really quite confused about this. Wait, let me reason this out though.
You're curious about something but too lazy to read the FAQ so you ask the list
so that others will do the work (for you) of retyping what has already been
asked and answered *f*requently. Then when someone mentions the location where
your answer can be found .... you're indignant about it?
Hmmmm, no that doesn't make sense. Maybe, instead, the reason you hate such
brevity in a response is that you're lonely and NEED to read constant banter and
are quite fearful that the messages on 4AD-L will dry up if we don't discuss
things over and over again. OR, i have it now. You enjoy hearing questions
that *you* know the answers to. It makes you feel intellectually superior to
someone. When others announce that it's in the FAQ, your knowledge seems
trivialized, since it's contained in a single document that everyone has had
access to.
Okay, my hypothesizing is done. Those farcical rationales are perhaps only half
as interesting and well-thought out as the real reason for your deep-seated
hatred for FAQsayers.
Sure, there are always cases where you didn't realize something was in the FAQ
(e.g., it was added in a later version than you received AND you were
temporarily unsubbed when the topic came up) and asked the question innocently
enough. I don't have a problem with that. But it's only common courtesy to at
least read the FAQ once OR failing that at least accept that some ppl. may tell
you "It's in the FAQ" every once in a while.
smiles, hugs, cute furry animals, daisies, etc.
cz
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 09:21:41 +0100
Sex Dwarf!
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 12:10:19 +0100
On Wed, 8 May 1996 06:55:16 -0400 Omar McGrapefruit
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 13:11:44 +0100
>As far as I know, (I'm not so well informed however), Lush is not going to
>play here in France.
Hi!
I finally had an answer to my question about lush...
They're going to play in Paris on june 27 th at "le Divan du Monde"
I had it from a "paper-mail" from "Labels" here in france ...
Jaax
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 07:05:15 -0400
k-j wrote:
>uh...i think the stp song is very retro...a friend's grandmother thought
> it was the beatles.
He does do that hoarse John Lennon thing in the chorus...
>i was thinking more like t-rex or something.
It's like a composite of some unidentified Beatles song and the Stones'
"Jumping Jack Flash"
>lush
> really doesn't come into play.
Except in the middle eight, which sounds suspiciously like the one from "For
Love", except with slightly different chords.
>and if it matters to anyone anywhere, i like
> the new stp stuff. much more listenable than earlier recordings and a
> billion times better than pearl jam. i'll take weiland and his crazy amish
> look over greasy vedder anyday...
Make that a crazy Amish junkie look...
Larry
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 07:29:51 -0400
topic!
In a message dated 96-05-08 08:08:18 EDT, you write:
> *but the fact that i'm quite interested in this thread is
> unimportant, huh? bbk began this thread by suggesting
> that we toss all discussion about literal meanings aside
> and just listen to the music. i suggest that if someone
> has lost interest in discussion about literal meaning
> in a song by a 4ad recording artist on an ep released
> by 4ad, that they gracefully leave the discussion.
>
>
how wrong you are... the thread began by someone wanting to discuss literal
meanings of the "Wonderwall" song by Oasis, which is when I brough up the
Kookaburra thing... and I have no problem discussing these things on the
list.... I had meant that discussing a song by a band such as Oasis is NOT
relevant to this list...jheez.
~blu~
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 14:44:42 +0100
topic!
On Thu, 9 May 1996 07:29:51 -0400 [email protected] wrote:
>... I had meant that discussing a song by a band such as Oasis is NOT
>relevant to this list...
...although in alternative universe, both Ride and Oasis signed to 4AD
instead of Creation...
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 15:29:58 CET
come on, everybody knows that Lisa is married and that she and Brendan broke up
i think making a 'rumor' of it or a sensation is childish.
being musicians on 4AD they naturally become subjects to the same kind of
interest that pop stars evoke.
it's not only their music that fascinates but also themselves as personalities.
Lisa seems to be thoroughly aware of that and making The Mirror Pool was a proo
f she treats her audience more like her friends than customers.
adam olszewski
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 18:01:46 +0200
Brant Olaf Nillson wrote:
>It's a totally
>hilarious shot (in the CD booklet too) of Damon(?) leaning out
>a car window in the snow spraying flames from some sort of aerosol can,
>with an incredulous look on his face.
So you actually HAVE the new Swirlies CD? I've only seen 'They Spent Their
Wild Youthful Days In...' CD and that 'Sneaky Flutes' CD-EP in ads. When I
treid to order them I was told that they were not available. Where can I get
them?
Frank
+++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
[email protected]
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Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 18:02:09 +0200
>FROM ALT.MUSIC.4AD:
>
>Just heard an advance of the new RHP and it's mostly acoustic, a few
>rockers that I guess Ivo didn't care for but overall very much in keeping
>with Ocean Beach. Three Covers: the Cars' All Mixed Up, Yes' Long Distance
>Runaround (electric version) and Silly Love Songs - McCartney & Wings. The
>single is gonna be All Mixed Up with Ted Nugent's Free for All and Neil
>Young's Midnight by the Bay as the B-sides.
Yes, Paul McCartney & Wings, Ted Nugent and Neil Young!!!???!!!
I'm SO GLAD 4AD dropped Red House Painters!
Frank
>
>Album due out mid-July on Island
>
>
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Frank Brinkhuis
[email protected]
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Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 09:27:29 -0700
OK, I apologize for getting a bit testy but it's annoying to see these
threads like "who wrote 'Blue Flower'" (which are getting realllly boring
for those of us who've sat through them four or five times already)
resurface despite the answers being in the FAQ explicitly to prevent the
questions from being discussed yet again. The "blue flower" thing has
been in the FAQ for about two years, I think.
It's even more annoying when people who have been on the list for quite
some time and ought to know better (i.e. ought to know that the FAQ
exists) continue to ask these questions.
Is it too much to ask that people take a look at the FAQ once in a while,
especially if they have a question that they suspect may have been
answered before?
Here's the URL again:
http://www.mooseyard.com/Jens/4AD_FAQ.html
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Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 10:44:02 -0700
On Wed, 8 May 1996, Elvia M. Tarango wrote:
> Yawn.
Fax got your tongue?
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 10:40:09 -0700
On Wed, 8 May 1996, daniel klyn wrote:
> On Tue, 7 May 1996 [email protected] wrote:
>
> > what in God's name does this have to do with 4AD other than the fact it's a
> > song title??
>
> *or for that matter, what the fuck does bbk's little rant have
> to do with 4AD?
It has to do with 4ad-l.
> > can we move on to relevant discussions now??
>
> *you are welcomed to move wherever you like!
He was referring to you also.
> bbk began this thread by suggesting
> that we toss all discussion about literal meanings aside
> and just listen to the music.
I think he just meant infantile, hackneyed, and whimsical discussion
about literal meanings. Maybe it's hard to tell the difference these days.
>
...
e
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 09:51:56 -0600
alright, i thought i'd crawl out from under my pile of books to give one
of my sillyreviews of the new windy&carl record--'drawing of sound'
here's the deal kidz...
windy&carl--'drawing of sound'
ICON (ICI26)
1.you (4.38)
2.lighthouse (9.03)
3.venice (8.22)
4.awhile (10.10)
5.whisper (10.43)
first off, yucky cover art...just not my thing. silly line drawings...:)
but...ignore that.
somewhere out there, swirling about in a vast sky, there exists
windy&carl, michigian's favorite drone/ambient/noisekateers. like
flyingsaucerattack in places, but with much more polished and complex
constructions. 'drawing of sound' is exactly what i wanted it to be
after i heard the 'emerald' 7". gorgeous layers of sounds that don't get
muddled are complemented by quiet female vocals. yet, the vocals aren't
quiet in quite the same way as many bands of this nature (that is, hiding
behind the sound and singing almost as if the vocalist is afraid to be
heard); w&c's vocals are prominent enough to not get lost in noise, and
yet don't break the overall subtle mood of the music.
what we have here is a record that is intricate yet somehow simple in its
beauty. make no mistake, it's filled with lots of droney/fuzzy guitars
feeding back all over the place, but it's not harsh. in fact, my overall
feeling is one of absolute fragility. (hmmm...i better stop this line of
thought, i can feel the ridiculous metaphors coming on! :) ) hiding
beneath all that fuzz is often a simple melody, a grounding bassline, or
intricate guitar work that sometimes makes me think of good ol' justin
jones in an odd sort of way. i'd choose this over fsa or llc (as much as
i enoy both these bands).
hmmm...this is not driving music. :) & did i mention that it is better
than their more ambient 'portal' album? well, it is...
so, have i interested anyone??? well, if you want it, you can order it
from EAR/Rational ([email protected]). 'tis purty cheap too.
on a different note: elysium (or whatever they're called now) still
gets frequent rotation on my CD-player, and if you haven't bought
'glisten' yet, you truly are missing out. i happened to have the treat
of spending the afternoon with john&jenny from said band yesterday, and i
got to hear not only a couple of john's 4-track wondertracks (some of the
best drum machine driven guitar soundscapes i've heard in quite some
time...bravo!), but also i got a two song acoustic performance in my room
featuring a new song that was even more beautiful than 'dulcinea' (could
it be?) the future looks very nice! once again, contact brant (he posts
enough, eh?) and order 'glisten' now! the quicker they sell those, the
more chance we'll see another album someday (right, rod?).
.orangejuice/toothpaste propaganda minister deluxe.....xxx.
----------------------------------------
.mark. ([email protected])
now w/silly website:
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 10:57:52 -0700
On Wed, 8 May 1996, Glen T. Greenman wrote:
> The problem I was having was that of the six people who originally expressed
> interest in buying the CDs, five, including you, only wanted one or two of the
> titles. On top of that, everyone wanted the same one or two discs. I didn't wa
t
> to sell just one or two of the CDs and then be stuck with the others. That's w
y
> I was so interested in selling them as a set. If four different people each
> wanted a different CD, that would have worked out great. Unfortunately, It
> didn't happen that way. I'm sorry I was unclear on that point.
If this is the case I don't see what your prior record of selling on the
list has to do with this. My statement was that you seemed to have been
caught in a lie. I can accept your explanation here but it wasn't what
you initially said. I did not mean to suggest that you could not be
trusted simply because I disapproved of what you were doing. They are
separate issues.
e
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 10:33:33 -0700
Joking about it don't make it untrue.
This album is almost as good as the last Verve album. Let's have a little
analysis...
* The 13th is indeed the best song on the album. When my sister told me
this I thought she was just experiencing Cure Fan Effect. No, and I
don't think I am either. Porl Thompson is gone, and the best song on
this album is The 13th. Think about it.
* There is nothing here nearly as good as It Used to Be Me. Except for
The 13th there is no interesting guitar work here whatsoever, and no
clever songwriting.
* When I was complaining about Dredd Song and someone told me "no, their
new stuff is all better than that" I was a fool to believe them. Who
was that person? Are you here?? *KICK* That's for having no taste at
all. Either that you you just happened to have only heard the five
songs here (of fourteen) that can compete with Dredd Song.
* Other than the single, the only genuinely good song here is Treasure,
which has an annoying, stilted guitar melody going through it that
reminds me of 1) the clown on the cover and 2) Bill Laswell. But it's
okay. So is Jupiter Crash. Okay.
* And even those songs aren't in the least way superior to Adonais or
Ocean.
* As for the rest, it is a strange, sickening mix of britpop, lounge
lizard fodder, and children's music. Did anyone see I'll Do Anything?
Remember the baby song? It's on here.
It really IS that bad. If you have the have the album, take into serious
consideration that you are about to buy something you may well only
listen to ONCE. I am scanning through it a second time only to write this
review, then it goes over there on the shelf. I would take it back to the
store but it's already got sentimental value.
Porl Thompson is gone and The Cure are dead now. I thank him for the
three albums he salvaged while he could; maybe they are all I or anyone
had a right to expect...but right now I am frankly pretty fucking pissed.
e
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 02:10:23 +0000
cool, jason!
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 20:24:55 +0200
I received a copy of Mark Robinson's solo album, The Olympic Death Sqaud
'Blue' (Teenbeat 200) the other week. It's a vinyl version, and while I'm
still waiting for the CD to arrive, I wonder if anyone can tell me if
there's an extra (11th) track on the CD? The LP has 10 tracks and lasts 27
min., while the catalogue says: 11 tracks, 30 min.
Frank
P.S. 'Blue' is a bit disappointing. A few great 'Imperial'-type of songs
(esp. 'Mapple Leaf' & 'Ski Jump'), a couple of up tempo tracks, that sound
to me like Air Miami demos, and some New Wave-ish things.
The new Ida (featuring Dan Littleton, also in Liquorice) CD, 'I Know About
You', on Simple Machines (SMR 47) is much better. Even better than their
first album, 'Tales Of Brave Ida', I'd dare to say!
+++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
[email protected]
+++++++++++++++++++
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 13:57:48 -0400
Here we go...
CZ wrote:
>>You're curious about something but too lazy to read the FAQ so you ask the
list so that others will do the work (for you) of retyping what has already
been asked and answered *f*requently.<<
I didn't ask the original question and, actually, I have read the FAQ and
think it's a great thing. My point of contention was with the "attitude"
taken.
Also, there are people, newcomers to the list, that haven't heard of the FAQ
or haven't been on the list long enough to realize just how frequently asked
the question they're posing is. As well, there are those who have absolutely
no web access at all and, thus, cannot get to the FAQ.
>>Then when someone mentions the location where
your answer can be found .... you're indignant about it?<<
Again, it wasn't my question...and I wasn't bothered by the answer, only the
bitchy "attitude".
>>You enjoy hearing questions that *you* know the answers to. It makes you
feel intellectually superior to someone. When others announce that it's in
the FAQ, your knowledge seems
trivialized, since it's contained in a single document that everyone has had
access to.<<
So is this a flame or a psychoanalysis?
>>Those farcical rationales are perhaps only half as interesting and
well-thought out as the real reason for your deep-seated hatred for
FAQsayers.<<
Again. I really don't hate FAQsayers or anyone (well, that's not exactly
true). I do get annoyed with the "holier-than-thou" types who get all bent
out of shape for no reason whatsoever. Oh yeah. It's "deep-seeded".
If you are tired of informing people of the existence of the FAQ so much that
it causes you to act like a shit, then let someone else who has a little more
patience help the person/persons in need.
Or you could have a form letter prepared that you could post. That way, the
list and the knowledge seeker would be spared the venom and spite (though you
are free to still harbor it...though I wouldn't suggest it as it's not
healthy).
Yes, I understand that it can get annoying, but if you stay on this list for
any substantial amount of time, then you've got to accept that you will see
things repeated and questions asked and re-asked (just as I should get used
to seeing the phrase "read the FAQ"). It's just the nature of the beast.
>>Maybe, instead, the reason you hate such brevity in a response is that
you're lonely and NEED to read constant banter and are quite fearful that the
messages on 4AD-L will dry up if we don't discuss things over and over
again.<<
You know, you're absolutely right on this one! Thanks for obliging me with
your longwinded retort.
>>smiles, hugs, cute furry animals, daisies, etc.<<
Back to ya' with more of it!
Roy
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 16:04:16 -0400
Does anyone here have any leads as to what specific venue DCD will be
playing at on their July 22nd tour date in Ann Arbor, Michigan??
I'd be muchly grateful :>
Cheers,
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Mike Welker [email protected]
"The world breaks everyone and afterward many are stronger
at the broken places."
- Ernest Hemmingway
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Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 11:26:38 -0700
May 9, 96 06:02:09 pm
Frank Brinkhuis said:
>
> >with Ocean Beach. Three Covers: the Cars' All Mixed Up, Yes' Long Distance
> >Runaround (electric version) and Silly Love Songs - McCartney & Wings. The
> >single is gonna be All Mixed Up with Ted Nugent's Free for All and Neil
> >Young's Midnight by the Bay as the B-sides.
>
> Yes, Paul McCartney & Wings, Ted Nugent and Neil Young!!!???!!!
>
> I'm SO GLAD 4AD dropped Red House Painters!
Actually, the version of 'Silly Love Songs' is really really good,
unrecognizable from the original (thank goodness!) save for the lyrics.
If it sounds the same as they've been playing it, it starts out with some
atmospheric guitar play and a slow build into the song. It takes a moment
to realize that it's the same McCartney song and really it's more a
reinterpretation than a cover. And if you have a soft spot for the Cars
at all, the cover is really wonderful as well.
Ed
--
Edward Wakabayashi /\ You've kissed everybody else's
[email protected] /\ -*Her Majesty the Baby*-
[email protected] \/
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 15:34:06 -0500
At 03:21 AM 5/9/96 -0400, you wrote:
>well, mark van hoen (he of aurobindo and seefeel crew) said that he was
>writing down song titles but spelling them strangely. and instead of
>writing "kick," he wrote "quique"... so there's not much meaning to it
>really.
>
>but everyone says "keek" i believe, i know daren seymour does.
Isn't Quique a name in spanish?
yeah, it is. last I remember, it means Henry or something like that.
Quique is short for Enrique. I think...
anyone?
-zelzah.
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 14:35:47 -0700
I although I have not heard the new Cure album and probably won't. Those
interested can at the nearest Mega-Virgin store near you:)
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Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 13:18:52 -0700
OK...I blew it...I didn't check the 'TO:' box very closely and sent this to
e, alone...obviously meant for the list.
>OK...I don't usually get in the middle of this sort of thing, but I feel
like I've got to put in my two cents...that and I should be transcribing an
Idaho inteview among other things and am trying to put it off as long as
possible.
>
>Anyway, I don't exactly see what anyone (including you, e) are getting in
such an uproar about over this Cure record. They've slowly starting going
downhill since Head on the Door, with the exception of Disintegration and a
few singles and comp/soundtrack tracks. Anyone who didn't think that Wish
was their death knell wasn't paying very close attention. Friday I'm in
Love? That could go down in history as one of the worst songs ever written.
Right up there with most of the last Verve record, half of King and a good
portion of the last TWP record (yadda yadda yadda).
>
>Personally, I like whichever song it is that I continually catch a minute
of on the radio...with the horn section and almost no beat or groove
whatsoever...probably The 13th...but I'm sure that I'll agree with e on the
rest of the record.
>
>After the demise/downfall of such greats as New Order, Wolfgang Press,
Peter Murphy (and the rest of his Bauhaus cohorts, for that matter),
Siouxsie, Morrissey, Matt Johnson, and the list could go on...but its bound
to happen sometime. No one has that sort of staying power. Look at the
Rolling Stones...great in their time...a joke now. The best we could hope
for is that Fat Bob could find a bottle of whiskey and a fix and maybe find
some of the fire and psychosis that brought on Pornography and The Top.
>
>OK...I'll shut up now.
>
>Rick
>
>
>
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 14:19:57 -0500
Frank Brinkhuis wrote:
> >Just heard an advance of the new RHP and it's mostly acoustic, a few
> >rockers that I guess Ivo didn't care for but overall very much in keeping
> >with Ocean Beach. Three Covers: the Cars' All Mixed Up, Yes' Long Distance
> >Runaround (electric version) and Silly Love Songs - McCartney & Wings. The
> >single is gonna be All Mixed Up with Ted Nugent's Free for All and Neil
> >Young's Midnight by the Bay as the B-sides.
>
> Yes, Paul McCartney & Wings, Ted Nugent and Neil Young!!!???!!!
>
> I'm SO GLAD 4AD dropped Red House Painters!
Tee hee hee. As much as I love the arrangement on their acoustic version of "Sh
ck
Me," I'm almost embarrassed by what an outright silly song they picked to overha
l.
"Shock me, put on your black leather"? Please, gimme a break! KISS might have
made for cool lunchboxes and dress-up dolls, but what was cornball twenty+ years
ago is
still quite cornball.
All this said, I've got to say that RHP's version of "All Mixed Up" is just abso
utely
priceless, if only for the amount of confusion it wreaks upon the hipster set wh
'd
never fess up to ever having owned Cars records, who suddenly start scratching t
eir
heads and ask their friends, "Hey, I know this song, what is it?" I think I lik
it
better than Letters to Cleo's take on "Dangerous Type," although that's really n
t
saying a hell of a lot.
Let's think of it this way - at least they didn't try covering Grand Funk Railro
d or
Foghat. Can anyone try to imagine what "Slowride" would sound like, RHP-ized?
[shudder] However, I would gladly pay money to hear Mark & Co's take on "Starsh
p
Trooper, or someone like Spiritualized [Electric Mainline, natch] overhaul all o
"Shine On You Crazy Diamond". I'm joking. Kinda.
Cheers,
hk
PS. Hey, Frank, sorry I haven't written you back, but everything for the Spoonfe
disc
should be arriving at the pressing plant next week, which means that the EP will
be
ready by the end of the month.
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Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 14:38:54 -0700
Look man, don't sell them. I offered. No reply. What i suggest you do is
take the whole situation to level 1 (chill out period). Think about what
you want to do at a later date and then sell them the way you see fit.
Please think it out clearly, that way you won't have little men like
einexile the meek in you face.:)
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Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 14:47:57 -0700
At 10:44 AM 5/9/96, einexile the meek wrote:
>On Wed, 8 May 1996, Elvia M. Tarango wrote:
>
>> Yawn.
>
>Fax got your tongue?
Hardly. I had a lot of support on this issue. And that is the reason why I
kept quite. When you one is correct, the sound of silence ringings
resolute. You seem to forget that it is I, Fred, not Elvia. Elvia made you
look like fool on this list, so what are you talking about. What really is
sad is that a lot of people on the ambient list are afraid of being kicked
off if they speak out against FAX. I am seriously contemplating boycotting
their product. I don't know. I have to think about it seriously.
P.S.Your reviews a getting a litter shorter...but not by much. Too much
verbiage. You really need to work on this.
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Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 00:46:56 +0200
>Isn't Quique a name in spanish?
>yeah, it is. last I remember, it means Henry or something like that.
>Quique is short for Enrique. I think...
Quique and Enrique play for Barcelona and Real Madrid respectively, don't they?
Frank
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Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 19:47:38 -0500
>Frank Brinkhuis said:
>>
>> >with Ocean Beach. Three Covers: the Cars' All Mixed Up, Yes' Long Distance
>> >Runaround (electric version) and Silly Love Songs - McCartney & Wings. The
>> >single is gonna be All Mixed Up with Ted Nugent's Free for All and Neil
>> >Young's Midnight by the Bay as the B-sides.
>>
>> Yes, Paul McCartney & Wings, Ted Nugent and Neil Young!!!???!!!
>>
>> I'm SO GLAD 4AD dropped Red House Painters!
Are you? Hmmm. You see cover versions do not necessarily
make a band worse either as 4AD alumni or not. Here are a few
4AD covers that are actually not too bad.
Heidi Berry - Up in the Air
Pale Saints - Blue Flower
The Breeders - Happiness is a Warm Gun
Mojave - Dylan Covers
Mojave (ok Slowdive) - Some Velvet Morning
to name but a few.
Anyone who can take a crap 70's song and make it
really cool gets my vote. As if RHP perform like Wings or
Paul Simon, come on. These songs are all just fodder for
new interpretation. I think that the way a band interprets a
cover shows alot about the band and not about the original
artist. Another example is the Catherine Wheel's version of
the Spirit of Radio by Rush. I hate rush but I find the interpretation
by Catherine Wheel to be kinda cool. Another example is
Nick Cave's Tower of Song by Leonard Cohen (although
Cohen is cool, he should be on 4AD).
Hell if Hollywood can plunder all the old tv shows
why can't RHP do a little interesting work with crappy
70's icons of pop? We can't all expect RHP do to
endless Iggy Pop, MC5, Dylan or Bowie. I would love to see
Lush personally do a Blondie song to show Elastica
how the whole 70's revival stuff should be done.
Neil Young has been become cool again for alot
of American alternative rock musicians. As a Canadian
I am hoping that Gordon Lightfoot doesn't get the
same revival (oh no!). Now that would be funny, or
Anne Murray interpreted by Kim Deal, where do
I get my copy!!!!
RHP may be gone but they will not be forgotten in
the same way people still see CTs as a 4AD group
in alot of ways.
Steve
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Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 23:52:33 +0100
Okay buddies,
I know my pal Roy stuck this stuff to the list for me/my friend ('s old
brother's sister-in-laws step-mothers grandson) whilst I was away from my
e-mail account, but it seems there wasn't many takers... Hey you Yanks,
bidding in pounds Sterling is not difficult for God's sake. It's amazing
how many people balked at that - everyone else in any other country has to
deal with foreign currency all the time, especially US dollars. Yes, it's
an inconvenience, but so's downloading and deleting all these auction
messages and that tosser Artc's (or whatever he calls himself) posts...
So I'll get to the point.
In the end my mate flogged most of the items below to a local s/h record
shop - the Left Legged Pineapple in Loughborough. This was now a week or so
ago so some may have gone. I grabbed all the rarer deleted stuff and have
marked these with an * (mail me if you're desperate for them coz I might
sell...).
The Left Legged Pineapple is run by a guy called Jason, who is very
pleasant. He will (get this all you Americans) take credit card orders and
will mail stuff out to you! Wow! That means no messy IMOs - it just gets
charged straight to your account.
The prices are roughly 3 UKP per 12", and 5 per album. The Pink Opaque is
18 UKP and Treasure is 10 UKP.
Ain't that cheap?
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Anyway, if you're interested phone : +44 1509 236 791
or fax : +44 1509 210 106
Ask to speak to Jason if possible, and tell him that you heard about the
stuff from me (Andie) via the Internet.
Hope there's something there you want:
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THE WOLFGANG PRESS:
- Burden of Mules LP; BAD 308
*- Scarecrow 12" (out of print); BAD 409
*- Water 12" (out of print); BAD 502
*- Sweatbox 12" (out of print); BAD 506
- The Legendary Wolfgang Press...LP; BAD 514
- Standing Up Straight LP; CAD 606
- Big Sex 12"; BAD 702
*- King of Soul 12" (out of print); BAD 804
- Birdwood Cage LP; CAD 810
- Kansas 12"; BAD 902
- Raintime 12"; BAD 907
- Mama Told Me Not To Come 12"; BAD 1007
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COCTEAU TWINS
- Garlands LP); CAD 211
- Head Over Heels LP; CAD 313
- The Spanglemaker 12"; BAD 405
- Treasure LP c/w Aikea Guinea 12"; BAD 412
- Tiny Dynamine 12" Gatefold; BAD 510
- The Pink Opaque import LP; CAD 513
- Victorialand LP (vinyl out of print); CAD 602
- Blue Bell Knoll LP; CAD 807
- Interview Picture Disk; non 4AD
...WITH HAROLD BUDD
- Moon and the Melodies LP(vinyl out of print); CAD 611
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VARIOUS
- Lonely Is An Eyesore LP; CAD 703
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THIS MORTAL COIL
- It'll End In Tears LP; CAD 411
*- Drugs 10" (limited, rare, out of print); BAD 608
- Filigree and Shadow Double LP; DAD 609
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PETER NOOTEN & MICHAEL BROOK
- Sleeps With the Fishes LP; CAD 710
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THROWING MUSES
- Hunkpapa LP; 4AD; CAD 901
- Dizzy 12"; 4AD; BAD 903
- Not Too Soon 12"; BADC 1015
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MARRS
- Pump Up the Volume 12"; BAD 707
- Pump Up the Volume 12" (green); BAD 707R
- Pump Up the Volume 12"; non 4AD, 4th and Broadway
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THE BIRTHDAY PARTY
- The Bad Seed LP; CAD 301
- Release the Bats 12"; BAD 307
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XMAL DEUTSCHLAND
- Qual 12"; BAD 305
- Incubus Succubus II 12"; BAD 311
- Matador 12"; non 4AD
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PIXIES
- Gigantic 12"; BAD 805
- Monkey Gone To Heaven 12"; BAD 904
- Here Comes Your Man 12"; BAD 909
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ULTRA VIVID SCENE
- She Screamed 12"; BAD 806
- Mercy Seat 12"; BAD 906
- Staring at the Sun 12"; BAD 0004
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LUSH
- Scar Mini LP; JAD 911
- Mad Love 12"; BAD 0003
- Spooky (limited edition gatefold 10"); BADD 2001
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BELLY
- Now They'll Sleep 12"; BAD 5003
- Seal My Fate 12" Promo; BAD 5007
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COLOURBOX
- Punch 12"; BAD 406
- Colourbox LP (w/ Japanese Women/Fruit label cover); CAD 508
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RICHENEL
*- L'Esclave Endormi 12" (out of print); BAD 601
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AR KANE
- Lollita 12" (out of print); BAD 704
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PALE SAINTS
- Barging into the Presence of God 12"; BAD 910
- Comforts of Madness LP (vinyl out of print); CAD 0002
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MODERN ENGLISH
*- Life In The Gladhouse 12" (out of print); CAD 0002
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BAUHAUS
- 4AD 12"; BAD 312
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SCHEER
*- Schism CDEP (autographed); BAD 5012
*- Shea 12" Promo; Scheer2
- Shea CDEP Promo
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BTW - I'm not in Loughborough any more so no, I can't go get you
stuff/trade with you for the unasterisked items. Sorry. Ask Andrew Norman -
he's only 10 minutes away!
Cheers!
Andie
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 02:31:13 +0000
"Elvia M. Tarango"
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 19:01:02 -0700
yesterday I mentioned this cd, and have had a few requests from people for
the info about it, so here goes...
Send $15 per copy to Reel George Productions, inc, PO Box 280173,
Dallas,Texas 75228
you can check out the cover and some of the other Reel George CDs at
http://www.onramp.net/RGP/rgp.html
the track listing is as follows (i think all songs are either recorded for
this or are unreleased in the U.S.)
Ocean Colour Scene - Alibis
Frank Black - Old Black Dawning, Czar
Jellyfish - The King is Half-Undressed
Catherine Wheel - Don't want to know if you are lonely
James - Lose Control, Maria's Party
The Cranberries - Linger
The House of Love - Crush Me
Blur - Miss America
The Lilac Time - Two Sooner Late Than Better, Raspberry Beret/Kiss Me
His Name Is Alive - Baby Fish Mouth
Frazier Chorus - Cloud Eight
The Trash Can Sinatras - The Safecracker
The Posies - Will You Ever Ease Your Mind
XTC - Blue Beret
Lemonheads - It's about Time
Suede - My Insatiable One
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