Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 01:19:28 -0500
In a message dated 96-03-02 17:27:17 EST, you write:
>>Did anyone else manage to get in on this courtesy of the 4AD Hotline????
>>They were giving away 25 of the little devils, I left a message for one,
>>a week later it is now in my hands...
>I called the hotline last week and... zip! I haven�t recieved nothing!
>When did you call?
I think I called on the very day they last updated it (the 20th I believe)
and it was by pure chance!!!!
After I left my message, I emailed a friend and told her to call as well, and
she to received hers on the same day.
1. you weren't one of the first 25 people to leave a message...
2. it's taking mr. slow-postworker a bit longer to reach you (you're not in
the U.S. correct??) i'm not trying to be stereotypical based on the name in
your address, but I thought you told me once you were in mexico...ah well.
~~~the postman cometh...~~~
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 23:52:58 -0700
Can somebody please e-mail me info on the CINdyTALK show in LA?
I have a friend out there he is dying to see them. Luckily arizona is
going to be paid a visit by gordon and the gang (Stinkweeds 3/11/96 10pm).
p.o. box 1483
tempe, az 85280
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 02:13:08 -0600
Is CINdYTALK going to be in Texas or not? I remember reading a post a while
back stating that they will be playing here but I am not too sure because I
think I saw a more recent post stating that all the dates except the ones
for Texas... what's up with that? Anyway, I also want to know, still, if
the Shaving the pavement tour will get to Texas as well... any info will be
greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 00:22:46 -0800
On Sat, 2 Mar 1996, Deanna Phillips wrote:
> What's funny is that my threats to him were completely hollow...I never
> planned to actually defame him in public places.
Just why exactly do you expect others to deal honestly with you and
follow through with their stated intentions if you cannot do the same?
Here you are, mad at someone for not keeping his word, while fully
admitting to having lied to this person? That *is* pretty funny.
> Now it looks like he's doing
> my work for me -- astute listies will know not to get mixed up in any
> deals with him.
You seem to have resorted to threats, after less than a week, with
someone who flaked out and is honest and apologetic about it. Please do
not assume that all of us on this list find erik's behavior unforgivable
or your response appropriate. I know which of you two I'm more likely
to deal with in the future, and it's not the one with the itchy trigger
This is not how people who love music ought to be treating each other,
threatening one another with legal action over stupid mistakes like this.
That is just low class. A person who can't even be bothered to spring for
UPS or registered mail can't expect to come whining to this list and half
the population of Usenet every time they get the jitters. Have a little
self control for Christ's sake.
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 02:41:18 -0600
Just thought I'd brag about some used/promo discs I bagged, and add my=20
voice to the chorus of commentary on Bowery Electric, Cocteau Twins, Coil=
and Mellonta Tauta. I briefly sketched out my feelings on the latter in=20
my year-end roundup, but it's a definite grower, and I thought it=20
deserved more public scrutiny.
Bowery Electric - Bowery Electric
Kranky Records 1995
Sounds in Motion/Next to Nothing/Long Way Down/Another Road/Over and
Over/Deep Sky Objects/Slow Thrills/Out of Phase/Drift Away
Lawrence Chandler blanches his guitar into a nebulous drone which peers
over the shoulder, flanging and panning, rarely progressing harmonically,
with occasional overdubs higher up the neck for emphasis. Beneath this
skein, bassist Martha Schwendener carries the songs with minor key
fundamentals and ostinatos, and a fatigued, wan voice mixed as another
texture. The result is a hybrid of early Slowdive and Joy Division,
dispensing with the pretty melodies of the former and adding the sense of
compulsion Peter Hook gave the gloommeisters. Nine variations on the sam=
song, but it's one I've been waiting too long to hear. The finest
post-MBV album since "bloweyelashwish".=20
(Thanks to Jens for suggesting this.)
Cocteau Twins - Milk and Kisses
Capitol Records 1996
Heart/Ups/Eperdu/Treasure Island/Seekers Who Are Lovers
Few sounds on this album will come as a suprise to fans who have kept up
with the Cocteaus since Blue Bell Knoll, as this album is a summing up of
the better elements of their last three albums. Elizabeth Frazier's high=
piercing vocals haven't rung so purely or been as effectively overdubbed
since BBK, nor have her melodies been so joyous. Robin Guthrie's guitar
also returns to this era, discarding the synthetic overtones he had on
Heaven or Las Vegas, and the reverb aversion and generally countrified
sound of Four Calandar Cafe. MAK differs from BBK in discarding most of
the foreground keys and adopting a less polyrhythmic, more forceful drum
sound, resulting in the most aggressive songs since "Head Over Heels"
days. Normally Liz's threats are veiled in glossoalia and run counter to
the generally pretty music, while on "Violane" and "Ups", there's almost =
palpable menace. Then again maybe its all wishful thinking by one who ha=
overdosed on sweetness and light. A few songs disappoint me: "Tishbite"
retreads the fatigued textures of FCC (kill that organ!), while the
pseudo-Casio accompaniment on the calypso (!) "Half-gits" sounds
half-baked. But overall, it's an excellent return to form by the
Cocteaus, though a rather safe move compared to the experiments of
"Twinlights" and "Otherness". Oh, and you needn't worry about Liz's
enunciation of lines like "Are you toxic to me", as she is largely
inscrutable until the last song, where she muses on God's saliva, or
(Thanks to moran for relinquishing what would have been his promo)
Coil - Black Light District
Escaton Records 1995
Unprepared Piano/Red Skeletons/DieWolfe Kommen Zuruck?Refusal of Leave to
Land/Stoned Circular I/Stoned Circular II/Green Water/Cold Dream of an
Earth Star/Blue Rats/Scratches and Dust
Coil has defied easy categorization since their emergence out of the ashe=
of the seminal Throbbing Gristle. From clever early uses of sampling
technology, to excursions into post-folk musics, dance rhythms and
hallucigenia, they've unflinchingly explored the nexus of beauty,
perversity, and death. Black Light District falls somewhere between the
deconstructions of "Stolen and Contaminated Songs" and the oblique
textural ambient of "Worship the Glitch": it's not a return to the song
oriented structures of "Love's Secret Domain". Since few signposts lead
out of this terra incognita, I'll attempt to describe the impressions of
each piece listed above.=20
Nancarrow=D5s player-piano duets with bass. Contact-miked
cockroaches scurrying through pipes with the blunt end of a phone.=20
Harbour sounds from beneath a railroad truss. Thrashing about in the
carbonate bath of a tubercular sanitarium. A fever dream of bricks
dancing to sitar and bass harmonics. A fugue of the preceeding with the
unnamable screetches from "Glitch". Urban gamelan in the bird enclosure.=
The electric transformer is watching me. A song (!) somewhere between
"Butterfly wings" and L'n'R. Returning with the guttered bowling ball. =
disquieting choir morphing twixt boys and brass.
If you've never heard Coil before, I suggest you start with "Horse
Rotorvator" or "Love's Secret Domain". Having heard those, this makes a
good beachhead on their growing body of abstract tone poems. Don't expec=
somnolent ambient, every piece microscopically examines some harsh sounds=
(Cope, Lars. And program tracks 6 and 9 for solace.)
Mellonta Tauta - Sun Fell
Hyperium Records 1994
Pull the charriot/Estrella/Tanguito/Over the Ocean/Chucao/Yini
This Italian duo contributed "Pull the charriot", a striking and
georgeous concoction of whispered female vocals, a sing-song melody,
orchestral archipeggiation and accoustic strumming to the first "Heavenly
Voices" compilation. That song is reprised here, with the addition of a
rhythm section of of drum machine and chorused bass like that of the
Cocteaus circa Garlands. It's not entirely reflective of what transpires
on the rest of their debut album. Throughout, the close-miked Leticia
Solari sings attractive melodies so as not to wake the neighbors, largely
in her native tongue, though I doubt the lyrics would detract if
understood. It seems like her collaborator and housemate Daniel Quiroga
discovered Jesus and Mary Chain halfway through the recording, as the
backing on about that proportion of the songs sounds unmistakably like th=
brothers Reid. Other pieces reprise the guitar sound of "Burning from th=
Inside" period Bauhaus. Toss in a soupcon of tape loop experiments, and
you have a varied, and generally quite good, take on the mid-eighties
sound of Britain. The artwork, by the band, is worthy of 23 envelope.=20
(first our jobs, now our music
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 03:19:45 -0800
I�m listening to TWP�s Bird Wood Cage and I�ve to say that it�s a grower. I
didn�t like it that much at the beginning, but know, i have to say that the
'obscure' rythms (compared with Queer) are absorbing. What made them change
their sound direction? Altough Queer is very good, I think that the sound of
BWC is far more 'Lasting' that Funky... & Queer.
Just a Thought!
I remember that someone once posted that TWP�s Legendary WP & Other Tall
Stories was an 'Amazing' disc. Is it compared to this one? And how about
Standing Up Straight? I suppose that these two discs must sound like 'Cut The
Tree (from LIAE)'
Pepe (to BlueBellknoll: Yes, From Mexico & still wating for the Lush Promo!)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 13:40:02 +0100
I was mulling over the apparent non-success of Lush, thinking that I
wouldn't be all that surprised if they decided to call it quits. I
mean, here they create quite good album after quite good album, and
the world seems to largely ignore them. Must be annoying.
Which led me to the Kitchens of Distinction, who broke up not too long
ago. I wasn't exactly surprised. They've released 4 jolly good
albums, chock full of Great Pop Songs, and yet nobody has heard of
them. Why not just give up?
And here I am listening to "Black Light District" by Coil, and album
which probably sells 10% of what KoD albums sell. I mean -- you've
got this track that goes on for 10 minutes sounding like a train with
this sine wave thing on top of it. Annoying. I can't imagine many
people will want to listen to stuff like this.
Yet I would be flabbergasted if Coil broke up.
Why is that, really? I don't know. Might it have something to do
with, like, *art* and *commerce*? KoD and Lush do nice pop tunes.
I'd assume a primary motivation would be that people listen to what
they do. Coil do nigh-unlistenable "tunes". I'd assume that they do
it because they feel like doing it. You know. Art.
It's a bit odd, though. Coil (and bands like them) just keep on
releasing album after album to general apathy, and that feels right.
Lush release an album that sells (probably) hundreds of thousands of
copies, and that feels like they've struck out.
"Yes. The journey through the human heart
would have to wait until some other time."
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 10:49:49 -0500
Can you please tell me where and how you heard that KoD broke up?
I hadn't heard that, in fact I just saw a review of one of their live
shows that said quite the opposite "great songs, no recognition yet they
continue to work on"
Just trying to separate fact from fiction and rumour from truth.
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 10:30:42 -0700
this is from the EAR pre-orders list this week....anyone know ANYTHING about
Various-Slow Burn DLP/CD RAID529/CDRAID529 $17.75/$21.75
10 blissed-out after-hours anthems with mixes by Aphex Twin, LFO, and
Paul Oakenfold & Leftfield of tracks by Cooteau Twins, Saint Etienne,
Art of Noise, Sandals, Ballistic Brothers and loads more. Unmissable.
please tell me something soon or i'm bound to order something else that i
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 09:57:16 -0800
This is the latest US release schedule from 4AD.
Mar 5 Lush 'Lovelife'
Apr 9 scheer 'Infliction'
May 14 Lisa Germano 'Excerpts From A Love Circus'
His Name Is Alive 'Stars On ESP'
Throwing Muses 'Limbo'
May 28 Dead Can Dance TBA
Jun 11 Heidi Berry TBA
(also in June, the limited edition 10" series begins)
late summer The Wolfgang Press remix album by Barry Adamson
Oct 15 Pixies retrospective of singles, live tracks, b-sides etc.
Furthermore, this is what 4AD lists as their current band lineup:
Dead Can Dance
His Name Is Alive
Wherefore art thou Guernica?
I just had a full listen to scheer's "schism" EP (found it for
$3 and figured it's worth it just to hear how BAD bad can be) and I must
say, imho, that this is by far the worst thing I have ever heard
from 4AD. It's like some monumental practical joke they're all
pulling on us-- "let's see if our fans are dumb enough to force
themselves to like THIS one!" Either that, or scheer was brought in
to slowly destroy any remaining credibility 4AD has, but a number of
people actually ended up liking them (a la how Perrin tried to
take down Grot by hiring idiots, but ever greater success ensued.
And if you know what on earth I'm referring to here, let me
shake your hand!)
| Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567 | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 14:13:38 EST
Ladykillers went into the UK singles chart at 22 this week. (Nick Cave and PJ
Harvey are at 36)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 15:11:21 -0500
It's funny how graphic designers (such as the incomprable v23) decide to
spell out band names in all lower case letters as purely a design decision
(Lush, Scheer*), making journalists and think "Oh! They spell their name in
lower-case letters! We can break the grammatical rules!". Hey graphic
designers, does this boost your ego?
*see the 4AD Shaving The Pavement ad in Option magazine Mar/Apr 96, page 109.
Can someone post a review of the new Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan/Michael Brook CD
on Real World?
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 16:01:51 -0500
sorry i didn;t include this the first time but I was in a rush. since
there seems to be interest here's the full details:
"Facing the wrong way"
1 take you anywhere - scheer
2 snakeface - throwing muses
3 summer dress - red house painters
4 the well - tarnation
5 you sweet little hearbreaker - air miami
6 love songs on the radio - mojave 3
7 super-connected - belly
8 christianity (wicked man remix) - the wolfgang press
9 miracle (new version) - heidi berry
10 sanvean - lisa gerrard
11 cheap cuts - liquorice
12 valley of the morning sun - kendra smith
13 empty glasses (kin's basement 4 track version) - the amps
its in excellent condition with more thrilling full colour artwork from
you can post me privately with yer further interest
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 15:28:28 -0600
At 03:19 AM 3/3/96 -0800, you wrote:
>I remember that someone once posted that TWP4s Legendary WP & Other Tall
>Stories was an 'Amazing' disc. Is it compared to this one? And how about
>Standing Up Straight? I suppose that these two discs must sound like 'Cut=
>Tree (from LIAE)'
>Pepe (to BlueBellknoll: Yes, From Mexico & still wating for the Lush=
I think The Legendary TWP is really a great disc!!! It isnt much like
Standing up Straight, tho it still has some songs like that. It rather
shows a funkier more relaxed tone throughout the whole album. Actually, on
one song, Im coming home Mama, it has a latin sound to it, which i really
like! Tho i havent heard Bird wood cage, but am wanting to buy it, this
album, i think, shows them veering off the "cut the tree" sound, which i did
like anyhoo, and going to the groovier, Queer, but not to such an extreme. =
Standing up Straight, is much in the same slow melodies, sounding fashion
as "cut the tree". Its rather good, but having to flip my vinyl sucks, and
i want a cd soon. :D
If you want to hear a song from The Legendary album, i have a song on my
homepage, their cover of respect. Take a listen: =
Ernesto, soon to be moving to mexico.
"You are the sweetness in my eyes You are an apple in disguise
You are the sweetness i need for life You are the sweetness in my=
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 14:35:39 -0700
Greetings fellow list members. My wife and I recently merged music
collections and came across a bunch of 'thistlisty' duplicates that we thought
we'd make available to everyone through an electronic auction. Hopefully
you'll find some items that you've been trying to track down. The items listed
are seperated into groups by format (7" Singles / 12" EPs and LPs / CDEPs and
CDs). The rules and regulations that apply to this auction are posted at the
end of this message.
Best Regards---> Brandon & Sarah Capps
ALISONS HALO: "Dozen" 7" Single (IPR/US)
BUTTERFLY CHILD: "Juice/Man & Woman" 7" Single (Rough Trade/UK)
COCTEAU TWINS: "Pearly-dewdrops' Drops" 7" Single (4AD/UK)
COCTEAU TWINS: "Aikea-Guinea" 7" Single (4AD/UK)
COCTEAU TWINS: "Love's Easy Tears" 7" Single (4AD/UK)
HALF STRING: "Eclipse" 7" Single (IPR/US)
HALF STRING: "Oval" 7" Single #0030 (IPR/US)
INSIDES/GLEE CLUB: Split promo 7" Single (4AD/US)
PAST SEVEN DAYS: "Raindance" 7" Single -AD102 (4AD/UK)
THIS MORTAL COIL: "Kangaroo" 7" Single (4AD/UK)
THIS MORTAL COIL: "Song To The Siren" 7" Single (4AD/UK)
AND ALSO THE TREES: "And Also The Trees" LP (Reflex/UK)
COCTEAU TWINS: "Lullabies" EP (4AD/UK)
COCTEAU TWINS: "Peppermint Pig" EP (4AD/UK)
COCTEAU TWINS: "Sunburst And Snowblind" EP (4AD/UK)
COCTEAU TWINS: "Treasure" LP (4AD/UK)
COCTEAU TWINS: "Echoes In A Shallow Bay" EP (4AD/UK)
COCTEAU TWINS: "Love's Easy Tears" EP (Relativity/US)
DANCE CHAPTER: "Chapter II" EP -BAD115 (4AD/UK)
DIF JUZ: "Out Of The Trees" LP (4AD/UK)
EAR TRUMPET: "Bring On The Dirt" (DTS/UK) endorsed by Bart Le Moo
MODERN ENGLISH: "Chapter 12" EP (4AD/UK)
SAD LOVERS & GIANTS: "Cowboys" EP (Midnight Music/UK)
THIS MORTAL COIL: "16 Days/Gathering Dust" EP (4AD/UK)
WOLFGANG PRESS: "Burden Of Mules" LP (4AD/UK)
APPLES IN STEREO: "Fun Trick Noisemaker" CD (Spinart/US)
BUTTERFLY CHILD: "Ghetto Speak" CDEP (Rough Trade/UK)
COCTEAU TWINS: "Singles Box Set" 10- CDEPs (4AD/Capitol/US)
COCTEAU TWINS: "Garlands/Peel Sessions/Speak No Evil" CD (4AD/UK)
COCTEAU TWINS: "Lullabies" CDEP (4AD/UK)
COCTEAU TWINS: "Head Over Heels/Sunburst & Snowblind" CD (4AD/UK)
COCTEAU TWINS: "Sunburst & Snowblind" CDEP (4AD/UK)
COCTEAU TWINS: "Aikea-Guinea" CDEP (4AD/UK)
COCTEAU TWINS: "Treasure" CD (Capitol/US)
COCTEAU TWINS: "The Pink Opaque" CD (Relativity/US)
COCTEAU TWINS: "Love's Easy Tears" CDEP (Relativity/US)
COCTEAU TWINS: "Love's Easy Tears" CDEP (4AD/UK)
COCTEAU TWINS: "Victorialand" CD (4AD/UK)
COCTEAU TWINS: "Iceblink Luck" CDEP (Capitol/US)
DEAD CAN DANCE: "Dead Can Dance/Garden Of Arcan Delights" CD (4AD/UK)
DEAD CAN DANCE: "Within The Realm Of A Dying Sun" CD (4AD/UK)
DEAD CAN DANCE: "Aion" CD (4AD/UK)
DEAD CAN DANCE: "A Passage In Time" CD (Rykodisc/US)
DEAD CAN DANCE: "Into The Labyrinth" promoCD (4AD/US)
DIF JUZ: "Extractions/Out Of The Trees" CD (4AD/UK)
DISCO INFERNO: "Second Language" CDEP (Rough Trade/UK)
ECSTASY OF ST. THERESA: "...fluidtrance centauri..." CDEP (Free/UK)
HIS NAME IS ALIVE: "Livonia" CD (4AD/UK)
HIS NAME IS ALIVE: "Home Is In Your Head" CD (4AD/UK)
HIS NAME IS ALIVE: "The Dirt Eaters" CDEP (4AD/UK)
HIS NAME IS ALIVE: "Mouth By Mouth" CD (4AD/US)
IN THE NURSERY: "Twins/Temper" CD (Sweatbox/UK)
KITCHENS OF DISTINCTION: "Strange Free World" CD (A&M/US)
MODERN ENGLISH: "Mesh & Lace/singles" CD (4AD/UK)
MODERN ENGLISH: "Ricochet Days/Chapter 12" CD(4AD/UK)
PALE SAINTS: "Comforts Of Madness" CD (4AD/UK)
PALE SAINTS: "Mrs. Dolphin" CD (4AD/JAPAN)
RED HOUSE PAINTERS: "Red House Painters (2nd)" CD (4AD/US)
RED HOUSE PAINTERS: "Shock Me" CDEP (4AD/UK)
SINGLE GUN THEORY: "Like Stars In My Hands" CD (Nettwerk/US)
SIOUXSIE & THE BANSHEES: "Twice Upon A Time" CD (Geffen/US)
SISTERS OF MERCY: "Some Girls Wander By Mistake" CD (Elektra/US)
THAT DOG: "That Dog" CD (DGC/US)
THROWING MUSES: "University" CD (4AD/US)
VARIOUS ARTISTS: "Glass Arcade" CD (Sarah/UK)
VARIOUS ARTISTS: "Mai Pen Rai" promo (4AD/US)
VARIOUS ARTISTS: "Lilliput" 2-CD book (4AD/UK)
VARIOUS ARTISTS: "Rough Diamonds V.1" CD (Rough Trade/UK)
--includes Inrain, Sweet Jesus, Levitation, Mercury Rev, and Ultramarine
AUCTION RULES AND REGULATIONS:
***ALL BIDS MUST BE SUBMITTED PRIVATELY TO: [email protected]
***Bids will be accepted up until 11:59pm (mountain standard time) of Sunday
March 10th, 1996.
***Minimum bids are as follows: 7"=$2.00, 12"EP=$3.00, 12"LP=$4.00,
***Items will go to the person with the highest bid placed before the
***Winners who fail to make payment on items will forfiet the item to the next
***Postage must be paid by winning bidder.
***All participants with contending bids will be sent an update
***If you have any questions or concerns please send them privately to:
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 23:04:51 +0100
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 16:26:08 GMT
Lavelle also appears on the new Vangelis album "Voices".
The "Spirit" album won't light any fires. It is a pleasant album. She is not
a strong singer. She just breaths and speaks through most of it. Reminds me a
bit of Tanita Tikarum, but not as husky. What I like about it is the work of
William Orbit. If you are familiar with the Strange Cargo stuff, you will
easily recognize his input. The techno-noodling is the beat that keeps this
moving. I like this album the more I listen to it.
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 18:21:11 -0600
>Pixies - Doolitle ($13). My FIRST Pixies purchase and I LOVED IT! What=B4s
>next for me to get form them? Please give me your opinions!
Tough call, Come on pilgram happens to be one of my favorites, as a very
well balanced album, if your looking for the Pixies in their wildest,
energetic album, go surfa rossa (There's also a double disc set of those
two albums) Tromp le monde is more sharp than violent, and bossanova is
very smoothed over and polished, any way you go you can't go wrong, I
suggest getting them all, since you'll have to eventually, it's just the
only option (then you get all the singles, then you send out messsages
assking for bootlegs and rare parapphanilia, speaking of which, if anyone
has any they want to let a poor college student get cheap.....)
_|^^^^^^^ -"Why are you banging your head against that wall?"
_|| | -"Because it will feel so good when I stop!"
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-|< / [email protected]
-| \ | +h3 6r& & 6l0r10u5 kumQu@+ "Ouch, My head hurts"
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 19:27:34 -0500
>> are there more than lip, married, and cant go wrong?
>these are the only 3 I know about.
>married and wrong are made by the bros. quay
Is there anywhere to get a copy of married? I have Wrong on the AVAM
and I have the 2 Bro Quay laserdiscs, not there, and it's not on Toward
(which might sort of make sense because they showed togeather in theatres)
Why is it always so hard to get the videos you want, it's not like MTV or
shows any of them, I wish 4AD would offer Video Compilations, like AVAM,
more often so we
could all keep caught up.
also, picked up the 12" of Modern English - in the gladhouse, today, the
B-side has two nude women wrestling over the 4AD logo, weird, was this on
all the 12"s? If you're ever making a mix tape this is a really neat song
to fade into Bela Lugosi's Dead, IMHO they sound very similar.
Still no takers for the Frank Black Mobile, Come On, I don't want to have
to throw it out.