Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:39:00 EST
On Tue, 30 Jan 1996, Roger Brewster (Wedge)"
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 19:39:03 -0500
i just got back to my list browsing after a nasty file overload and
cyberenema...it was by no means pretty....needless to say...i spent my
sabatacle (sp) listening to mojave....what a nice record....sounds a lot like
early leonard cohen....only with rachel's backing vocals the musicality isn't
dominated by the folk lyrics as was often the case, and i assume the intention
of leonard cohen. i'd jump at the chance to see them perform....do they have
plans?....oh and has anyone heard from the rhp/m. kozelek camp...last i heard
was the split w/4AD...the optimist in me is pulling for mark to stick with 23v
for cover art despite ocean beach's lacklustre layout....oh and just to
mention....rhp fans might be interested in checking out mark eitzel's 60 Watt
Silver Lining due out feb 18 (i believe)....no longer polluted by the
moderately successful backings of the american music club, mark's new material
should be as impressive as his earlier live solo shows, which to those of you
who have seen him, are nothing short of divine...a definite for rhp
indiana university of pa...pennsylvania's public ivy
english major, starving artist, male prostitute
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:19:24 EST
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 22:11:14 -0400
Does anyone know if those Belly T-Shirts with the logo in Japanese
are still available anywhere?
Cognitive Science Major
I have been to London one time
I have been to Hong Kong one time
Everywhere in the world is good
But Osaka is the best town...
My favorite town Osaka...
I have been to Tokyo one time
I have been to Nagoya one time
Everwhere in Japan is good
But Osaska is the best town...
My favorite town Osaka
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 15:53:44 EST
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:33:55 -0500
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:13:10 -0800
After noticing, more than once, the fact that einexile hates RHP's
_Ocean Beach_, I would like to know what other people think about it. I
remember when it came out last year, it didn't create exactly a stir in
terms of opinions. As for me, it is my favorite 4AD album ever, and
my favorite album of one of my favorite bands, so hasty dismissals such
as those I've heard are disquieting to say the least.
Let me attempt to describe what Red House Painters, and that album
in particular, mean to me. If there was one theme running throughout RHP's
music, it would be the power of memory. My earliest memories are of when
I lived in Palo Alto, CA; the bay area. RHP, being from the bay area,
somehow summon up those images, simultaneously relating them to every
subsequent event up until now, in the most evocative way imaginable.
When Mark sings "I only got memories I'm still not clear of" in "Red
Carpet", that right there is my LIFE. When I hear "Moments", the affinity
is even greater.
And then when people come along saying "...worst album since
Ocean Beach", with the implicit assumption that everyone knows what
they're talking about, I'm left saying "what the fuck is that supposed to
I will certainly accept it if not everyone sees the worth in
RHP, but I'd like to at least cast my vote in the opposite direction, and
hopefully we can avoid having the consensus defined by one frequent
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:31:31 -0500
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:24:43 -0600
I am moving in a few weeks, and I need to get rid of some stuff:
(all are on cd)
all prices include postage (us), if you don't like a price, come up with
your own-all of these must find a home.
PLEASE RESPOND TO ME, AND NOT THE LIST [email protected]
feed the tree 4 trk uk cd-5 $5 ppd
gepetto 4 trk uk cd-5 $5 ppd
gepetto remix#1 4 trk uk cd-5 $5 ppd
gepetto remix#2 4 trk uk cd-5 $5 ppd
slow dust 4 trk uk cd-5 $5 ppd
cannonball 1 trk usa promo (4ad/elektra) $3 ppd
" " 4 trk usa cd-5 " " $4 ppd
los angeles 1 trk usa promo (4ad/elektra) $3 ppd
distant thunder 4 trk (2 non lp!) usa promo (4ad) $5 ppd
delux 3 trk usa promo (4ad/reprise) $4 ppd
throwing back the apple 1 trk usa promo (4ad) $3 ppd
letter to memphis 1 trk usa promo (4ad/elektra) $3 ppd
dig for fire 1 trk usa promo " " $3 ppd
allison 1 trk usa promo " " $3 ppd
here comes your man 4 trk usa cd-5 " " $4 ppd
alec eiffel 4 trk usa cd-5 " " $4 ppd
veloria 4 trk usa cd-5 " " $4 ppd
valley of the morning sun 2 trk usa promo (4ad) $3 ppd
gentle creatures album usa promo (4ad) $7 ppd
bright yellow gun 1 trk usa promo (sire/reprise) $3 ppd
evangeline 3 trk uk cd-5 $4 ppd
smile album usa $6 ppd
nowhere album usa $6 ppd
twisterella 4 trk usa cd-5 $4 ppd
vapour trail 4 trk usa cd-5 $4 ppd
french disko 2 trk uk cd-5 $4 ppd
lo-fi 4 trk uk cd-5 $5 ppd
jenny ondioline 1 trk usa promo $3 ppd
elephant stone 4 trk austria cd-5 $4 ppd
fools gold 3 trk " " " $4 ppd
sylvian & fripp:
us promo compilation 15 trk (make offer)
too pure comp (pop, do we not like that?) uk $7 ppd
working holiday usa $7 ppd
**if you don't like a price, make an offer, I need to get rid of all these**
PLEASE REPLY TO ME, NOT THE LIST [email protected]
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:47:37 +0000
on Tue, Jan. 30 Paul Spirito wrote:
> Alternate explanation: you're getting older and lament the lost music
> of your youth. Perhaps some day you can direct a remake of "The Big
> Chill" with a 60s Motown = 80s 4AD map.
I too, think that 4ad used to be much better--and I don't think that
it's because I'm growing old. (I think I'm still a little young for
probably suggest that 4ad started going downhill as early as the mid
80s, but i disagree. Besides, 1990 seems to have been a good year
with some new signings of high caliber (Pale Saints and especially
His Name Is Alive come to mind). So why is 4ad going downhill? That
seems to me a far more interesting question than whether it is,
because I doubt that there are very many people out there who can
safely buy _anything_ they see that comes out on 4ad because they
_know_ it's going to be good, the way I bought Livonia in 1990
(which, BTW, is a fantastic album).
Someone mentioned that the bands were no longer "trying to be
better", but I don't think that it's the bands' fault--there are good new
bands out there, they just aren't on 4ad very often anymore. The
fault clearly lies with Ivo and whoever else might be responsible for
new signings. I didn't buy a new 4ad comp. cd (can't recall the name
of it off hand--but it seemed like a 1995 _Lonely As an Eyesore_) not
only because some of the new artists whom I'd already heard I didn't
like, but even favorites like The Wolfgang Press were represented not
with new songs but just remixes. Big deal. It just seems that the
people in charge at 4ad aren't devoting as much attention to the
label as they used to be.
Or maybe it's just Ivo who's getting old.
Hoping 4ad will lift itself out of this rut,
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:00:31 PST
>This brings up an interesting point.
>Iam afraid, that to my ears, there is too little to distinguish many current
>4AD bands (Breeders, Lush, Liquorice) from the rest of the pack. This is not
>to imply that these bands are "bad" (although they might be), just that they
>are not as intriguing to me as some of the 80's 4AD roster.
and then Chris M. responded:
>I totally agree with Martin! Go on and say it Martin, some of the newer
>4AD bands are bad! Something happened in the late 80's and I think
>I know what it is.
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:22:39 -0600
I thought They Might Be Giants last tour was in support of Frank Black (although
I don't think he diserved it) but now Joey and David are opening for them,
strange, anybody know the name of the band or tour dates? (pretty pretty please)
who's trying to learn UNIX and not liking it
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 01:12:53 -0500
In a message dated 96-01-31 15:08:08 EST, you write:
>if anybody has info on how to contact either Perdition Plastics or
>Farrago for getting the ESP stuff can you please post it...
well, Perdition Plastics has not yet released ESP on ANY format ... yet.
even as we speak (well, this weekend actually) Warren is traveling to
Chicago to discuss the matter with Perdition. Check back in about 2 months
(according to Davin at Time Stereo)
as for Farrago, one of the farrago people is sub'd to the list... name and
e-mail escapes me... check past posts or maybe he'll reply to this as well.
hope i was of some help. :/
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:46:05 -0500
>That would be Nusrat Fateh Ali Kahn (I'm sure I spelled that all wrong)
just the "Khan" part
>the real big raga fellow.
Actually, he's a real big *qawwali* fellow, which is something different
>> I will co-sign on this. Lush has should disband. All albums produced
>> before Spooky (excluding Spooky) was really great. Spooky and thereafter,
>> forget it.
>Well that's certainly kind you you, since there *weren't* any Lush albums
>prior to Spooky.
Is this going to be one of those "Gala's not a real album" things 'a la The
Pink Opaque? You can always tell a band's running out of ideas when they let
the bass player write a song (unless the bass player usually writes some or
all of the songs to begin with.
>how many cheaply
>thrown-together band names there are. For example, Silverchair -- it sounds
>like they just thought, hey that has a cool ring to it (kinda like previous
>band Silverfish, only that's actually a word). There's this onslaught the
>last couple years of bands with totally arbitrary-sounding names with common
>keywords and a lack of imagination.
I think there ought to be a moratorium on bands whose names begin with the
prefix Super-. There's just too many of them: Supergrass, Supersuckers,
Supergarage, Superchunk, etc. Also really uninspired are ones that follow
the pattern "A's B" where A = a person's name and B = a thing or concept,
e.g. Eve's Plum, Eric's Trip (yes, I know that's from a Sonic Youth song,
but as a band name, it sounds dumb), Jane's Addiction. They just make you
think "Who the hell is A and what's so special about his or her B?"
>A few other over-used for group names words:
>Twin(s) -- *_Never_ two people!
>House / Haus
>Psychic / Psychick
Jesus - anywhere in the name
There are also too many band names ending in -er, such as Swervedriver,
Skyscraper, Dimmer, and Starflyer 59, who are also guilty of being among the
excessive number of bands with numbers in their names (possibly a
post-Galaxie 500 phenomenon).
Yeah, I know - bitch bitch bitch. I'm not saying any of these bands suck,
just that the impact of a name is lessened when the format is so common.
Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change.
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 02:52:31 -0500
In article <[email protected]> "E. Coli"
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 04:58:00 -0300
4r> And was not the only one to recently make such comments about
Are you talking of my comment on my mail of Mephisto Walz? I'll try to
4r> I agree that there are similarities between Eden's first album
4r> and a lot of DCD work, although I would argue that Gateway is
4r> more consistently atmospheric throughout. However, I do not
4r> think that Eden's more recent work - "Fire and Rain" and the
4r> versions on "Earthbound" have much to do with DCD at all. So
4r> even if you could consider their early work a "ripoff", i think
4r> they have moved on since then.
I really didn't have a chance of hearing Eden last works (it's hard to
get), but in "Gateway to Mysterius", not only I found the DCD early
style, but also that the voice was pretty similar to Brendan Perry's!
That's not a sin, however. My point was that this kind of groups
often make songs that sound a little "rigid", while DCD never seems
forced. After all, Lisa has grown around medieval music, as far as I
But anyway, I would never doubt about those groups quality of sound. I
wouldn't buy theyr albums, if I do so.
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 03:37:15 -0600
I recieved my hnia/ESP beetles live tape from BlueBelKnol the other
day. I had never heard any of the ESP stuff and I can't say that I was too
impressed by the ESP Beetles side of the tape. On the flipside was an intro
by ESP Family, which was indeed noisy, but had a lovely jazzy horn carrying
it. I can't say that I was too impressed with it either, but it was
somewhat pleasant to listen to. The His Name is Alive section of the tape
was pure bliss though. They were arranged as individual songs and frankly
they were all quite beautiful. The sound quality is good and very
listenable, especially the hnia stuff.
i have to say that i'm really upset about not getting tix to the hnia
show this sat. i'll probably go to the place and sit outside, maybe they'll
feel sorry for my freezing butt and let me in .hehe
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:39:00 -0800
All of it is great (still withholding judgment on the new stuff, which
I haven't heard).
This current anti-Lush stream is pure herd mentality.
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:42:25 CST
>Does anyone have any info on this? How many were pressed, how hard it is
>to find, what it's worth? This was posted on the list before, but I
>forgot.(A local store has one for $8, are they nutty or are these things
sorry. should have consolidated.
1,000 were pressed. it's still not terribly hard to find (being fairly
new). it's worth whatever someone will pay for it. $8 is not a terribly
low price (got mine for $6.50). it's so cheap b/c all copies are new, the
folks at farrago made it that way, etc. new eps don't usually cost extra
just b/c they're limited. do you think that when holding our breath
(slowdive) hit the stores it was $55? at prices like that, they would have
never been as popular (in a listie sort of way) as they are now. oh, and
it's a us release, which makes it considerably cheaper for us gun-toters.
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:38:18 CST
the esp summer tape can be ordered from:
c/o the record collector
28143 w 8 mile rd
livonia, mi 48152
they will also be getting a few copies of esp continent, and the forthcoming
perdition plastics release -- which may have a different title.
>I just got the single from [ian]. The prices for the single (stlg3 UK etc
>are correct) the CD is stlg11 (sorry can't remember the overseas
which single? hibernation shock? or is scary verlaine out on cd5? prices?
track listing? review? (please on all of those, of course).
>I think there is an e-mail address on Scary Verlaine which I could
>track down if someone wants it.
[email protected] i think.
>I general agreement with previous messages the single is better than
>the album which I haven't got used to yet. I really like it but I was
>hoping for more Chris Trout singing!
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:05:22 -0500
---from Michael C. Lawyer:
> > and David Lovering now plays drums for Cracker.
> > Am I pretty close?
> Mostly, actually I believe David Lovering played drums for
> Camper Von Beetoven whith David Lowery of Cracker.
I'm 99% positive that this is not correct, since I'd never heard it mentioned
> I don't think Lovering does any work with the current
> incarnation of Cracker (He's not listed on any of their
> album credits, but they change drummers every three or
> four songs...he might still play with them on occasion
When Cracker (and god, I can't stand them) were on "120 Minutes" to promote
their last album, David Lovering was playing drums behind them. I'd read
somewhere that he was going to be their permanent drummer, but who knows?
I'm still getting over the fact that he was playing with Nitzer Ebb...
Oh, and yes, we all now know that New Order originally performed
"Everything's Gone Green". Please read all of your mail before responding to
simple inquiries. Maybe someone else already answered the question...twenty
or so friggin' times...
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:30:58 -0500
---from Jose A. Garcia etc:
> But for the past albums, I have to say that Spooky IS the
> weakest of them all, while Split IS THEIR BEST ALBUM EVER
> (I just love When I Die and Kiss Chase)!
Um, not to pick a nit or anything...but...aren't these Lush's ONLY two albums
(aside from the currently as-yet-unreleased one)?
---from bruce levenstein:
> just got a copy of Volume 15 with the new cocteau twins
> song on it. all i can say is that i was damned near in
> tears listening to this. i'm talking about tears of joy.
Heeheehee...reminds me of the first time I heard "Frosty" on V5. Yes, I
actually did cry. Awwwwwww...
> the song is definitely older style cocteau twins. wall of
> guitars, beautiful vocals & melody, the whole bit. i hope
> the whole new album doesn't sound like this, because it
> would be a giant musical leap backwards, but i wouldn't
> mind a couple of tracks like this.
That certainly sounds like a volatile thread just ready to explode. As for
me, I would prefer a giant musical leap backwards over, say, a whole album
that sounds like the _Twinlights_ EP. *shudder* Just say no!
> who laments the inadequacy of masturbation.
Since when is masturbation inadequate? It kept me sane (?) for about a dozen
years. :G) Oh well, it's apples and oranges, anyway...
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 12:50:52 -0800
> Other lists..?
> E. Coli ([email protected])
> Wed, 31 Jan 1996 03:11:12 -0800
> Also, is there an ambient list or an Orb list?
there is an ambient list. i don't know the subscription details but the
archives are stored at
and if you dig around there you may turn up the info you need. it's always a
good idea to read archives anyway.
andyx ([email protected])
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:26:49 -0500
i forgot to say that the promo tour will be in april- and since it's only
a promo tour, they won't be playing many cities during that round. i
don't know the exact cities or dates, but if i do find out soon i'll let
> >i believe the new album will be out on 10th march, or something like
> >that. then they're touring the uk for a month, then they're doing a
> >promo tour in the US. yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Yay!!! indeed. Do you know the dates of this tour? Particularly in Texas.
> Please post it, anyone?
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 08:18:16 EDT
For those of you interested.....
LATE NIGHT WITH CONAN O'BRIEN, NBC
Mo 2/5 Jean-Claude Van Damme, B.D. Wong, The Amps (R 12/13/95)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:37:41 -0800
On Tue, 30 Jan 1996, Melody Hope Darby wrote:
> Why do I feel like I'm the only person in the whole entire world that loves
> SPOOKY as much as anything else Lush has done (including SPLIT)???
The album is flawed, and I think not noticing why can make listening to
it a worse experience than I might otherwise be.
- Its sound is relentlessly full and there is little in the way of
subtlety or crispness to break it up, so that one gets a sensation of
drowning. Tiny Smiles is unbearably cloying and many of the album's
other songs (including some of Lush's best work) never gives you a
moment to breathe, so you have this happening on a small scale as well.
This is all made worse by the uniformity of the vocals, which always
have that Eye in the Sky sound to them.
- Covert and Ocean are too similar. Given that Covert is a satisfying
song as it, five more minutes of the same stuff in a package that is
very plodding does not spice things up, and from there we lead into
For Love, which is one of Lush's uglier and more predictable songs.
If Ocean and For Love had been left off of the album I think it would
be much more enjoyable than it is, if not necessarily much *better*
since, as you say, it is a great album anyhow--but Split is easily
superior, with greater variation but none of the clashing that the
Scar-era-ish Superblast! and Laura inflict on Spooky. And the songs are
- The album has a very strong opening which leads into one of their best
songs which varies from the single in a very satisfying way. By
contrast it ends with the fun but not entirely interesting Laura and
then a wonderful song which we'd all heard a thousand times by this
Of course this is all based on my own mileage, but a lot of people have
expressed similar problems with the album for less specific reasons, and
I find that pinpointing exactly what's wrong with a flawed record can
help me better enjoy it for its strengths.
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 15:50:56 -0500
Okay, this may be a topic that was discussed (possibly even to death) while I
was off the list for the latter part of last year, but...
My copy of Seefeel's _Succour_ does list the "untitled" 11th song among the
tracks listed on the inside back cover. But my CD player only recognizes 10
tracks. Is it not available on all copies of the CD? Is there some trick to
accessing it? Any info about this would be, as always, greatly appreciated.
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 15:10:05 -0600
>>I just got the single from [ian]. The prices for the single (stlg3 UK etc
>>are correct) the CD is stlg11 (sorry can't remember the overseas
>which single? hibernation shock? or is scary verlaine out on cd5? prices?
>track listing? review? (please on all of those, of course).
"Scary Verlaine" is not out on CD. Not yet at least. ;)
Michael and the guys at Rawpawgraphics (they did the sleeve work on the
Spoonfed 7" as well as the ESP Continent CD) just started their home page. Try
for starters. It's all under construction, so it's kinda raw [rimshot,
canned laughter], but there are some cool bits of graphics.
Has some info about a forthcoming CD-ROM/CD-PLUS of ESP Summer.
Start salivating, folks. I know I am.
hk kahng | [email protected] & farr[email protected]
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 19:32:11 -0500
Hi all (I'm back... if anyone cared)
Does someone have the phone number for Slumberland Records? Mike from SR just
called me and said "call me back when you get a chance...", but didn't leave
the number. Hmm... swift. E-mail me privately so as not to offend the tender
and sensitive young listfolk. :)
Back to your regularly scheduled quibbles...
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:22:55 -0700
yippee! got to bring home the new volume comp. from the radiostation
where i work today....
the cocteaux track on here is ultra-deluxe cool! i love it! if i had to
compare it with anything, i guess i'd say it's a lot like BBK....
"circling girl" starts with a quiet picking then quickly explodes into
song a la the 12" mix of "pearly dewdrops drops"....in fact, one of
robin's li'l tinkery melodies really makes me think of "PDD"....
simon's bass is ever subtle and wonderful, and it sounds like robin still
loves that sparkly strumming style for which he is so famous.
anyway this is a wonderful track....i'm even more excited for the album now.
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 19:11:34 -0500
Please subscribe me to the 4AD list. Thank you.
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 12:48:20 -0500
... 'cause I haven't heard it yet.
However, I did hear a good chunk of "Sweetness And Light" in a
Volkswagen ad last night (during Letterman). I know that this fits
most people's definition of "sell-out," so there's more fuel for your
Adam J Weitzman ----- Individual, Inc. ----- [email protected]
"I love the music of the 20th century!" - Bruce Willis, "12 Monkeys"
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:22:13 -0800
On Tue, 30 Jan 1996, Melody Hope Darby wrote:
> Why do I feel like I'm the only person in the whole entire world that loves
> SPOOKY as much as anything else Lush has done (including SPLIT)???
Fear not, you are not alone. I actually love Spooky MORE than anything
else Lush has done (including Split). ;)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:45:27 -0800
>What was the first music YOU listened to? Now there;s a
>good line of questioning: can everyone offer the name of the first
>recording they ever bought HONESTLY?
The first album I ever bought was Simple Mind's _Once Upon A Time_. Which
is still great (second only to _Live In The City Of Lights_ which is my
favorite live album by anyone ever).
One of the few non-ashamed first-time music buyers,
P.S. In case anyone is interested, The Mommyheads are playing in SF on
Saturday ( I think they were or are signed to Simple Machines, Jenny