4ad-l Mail for 11-04-1995

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Subject: Re: Russell & CT EPS
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 21:22:29 -0500
From: Neil James ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Mark K. / Caroline Records (Idaho) / Bettie Seveert /
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 22:23:35 -0600
From: Mike Lawyer ([email protected])
Subject: Spoonfed Hybrid JP cd
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 18:38:42 +0900
From: Masaya Toyokawa ([email protected])
Subject: etienne gonna die? :(
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 02:15:27 -0800
From: einexile the meek ([email protected])
Subject: lush / stina / budd
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 02:33:45 -0800
From: einexile the meek ([email protected])
Subject: Re: (Re: etienne) & (Otherness)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 02:12:02 -0800
From: einexile the meek ([email protected])
Subject: more harold budd + hi
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 02:53:39 -0800
From: einexile the meek ([email protected])
Subject: Bruce?!
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 06:44:04 -0500
From: akbar at the snackbar ([email protected])
Subject: Re: lush / stina / budd
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 06:19:33 -0600
From: Martin Wagner ([email protected])
Subject: Re: etienne gonna die? :(
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 06:24:00 -0600
From: Martin Wagner ([email protected])
Subject: Re: more harold budd + hi
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 06:22:33 -0600
From: Martin Wagner ([email protected])
Subject: Re: lush / stina / budd...CRANES
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 07:22:17 -0500
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: (Re: etienne) & (Otherness)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 06:09:39 -0800
From: Robert Pietrusko ([email protected])
Subject: Re: lush / stina / budd...CRANES
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 05:59:41 -0800
From: Robert Pietrusko ([email protected])
Subject: Re: etienne gonna die? :(
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 06:11:40 -0800
From: Robert Pietrusko ([email protected])
Subject: Saint Etienne/Otherness
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 10:54:22 -0500
From: "la lune est libre, je crois" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Spoonfed Hybrid JP cd
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 11:12:54 -0500
From: "John B. Jones" ([email protected])
Subject: Budd and the IFFY?? Zazou
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 11:31:15 +0600
From: cz ([email protected])
Subject: Re: CW Live: an opposing view
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 12:52:37 -0500
From: Kevhin Kean ([email protected])
Subject: frazier chorus
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 13:00:17 -0500
From: Kevhin Kean ([email protected])
Subject: For Trade: Volume One for Volume Two or Three
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 16:57:01 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: #4AD IRC Channel on undernet.org
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 10:31:03 -0800
From: Elvia Tarango ([email protected])
Subject: Ahem,sorry about this...
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 10:55:49 -0800
From: Elvia Tarango ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Budd and the IFFY?? Zazou
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 13:35:03 -0600
From: Martin Wagner ([email protected])
Subject: oops. Please forgive the personal post!
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 14:36:54 -0600
From: cz ([email protected])
Subject: Re: CD sale / Dr. Death / Snowdrops
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 14:35:55 -0600
From: cz ([email protected])
Subject: St. Ivo?
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 16:20:37 -0500
From: [email protected]
Subject: the two 4ad samplers
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 13:40:32 -0800
From: Brant Dewdrops ([email protected])
Subject: lonely may be an eyesore, but the teardrop explodes
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 13:58:24 -0800
From: Brant Dewdrops ([email protected])
Subject: Re: the two 4ad samplers
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 14:04:46 -0800
From: David Stack ([email protected])
Subject: Re: #4AD IRC Channel on undernet.org
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 18:35:58 -0500
From: Steven Venn ([email protected])
Subject: Re: the two 4ad samplers
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 15:04:54 -0800
From: Doraemon ([email protected])
Subject: Otherness
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 15:35:22 -0800
From: [email protected]
Subject: Seefeel and Cocteau Twins
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 15:41:28 -0800
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: the two 4ad samplers
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 18:18:38 -0500
From: "James D. Meacham 3rd" ([email protected])

Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 21:22:29 -0500
From: Neil James ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Russell & CT EPS


On Wed, 1 Nov 1995, Russell wrote:

>>>>Just curious, what are people's opinions of the new Cocteau Twins ep
"Twinlights"? (Forgive me if this has already been discussed.) I think it is
great. I was wondering if they would do two 4-trackers this year ('95) like
they did in '85.<<<<

Yes, the second EP 'Otherness' is already out in the UK, Canada and as an
import in some parts of the US.  The Capital release date is Dec. 5th, from
what i've heard.  It is a collaboration with the ambient group 'Seefeel', and
while I haven't heard it yet, many others have mentioned that it is quite
impressive.  They have redone 'Cherry-Coloured Funk' and 'Feet-Like Fins';
the other two songs are 'Seekers Who Are Lovers' and 'Violaine'.  The new
album 'Milk and Kisses' will be out early next year (and will include 2 very
different versions of 'Rilkean Heart' and 'Half-Gifts').

I really love 'Twinlights'; thought the simple arrangements and airy
atmospherics worked well with Liz's voice.  The songs have a wonderful
emotional presence about them...

It was heavily discussed on this list right when it was released and
generated a whole spectrum of opinion from those who hated it to those who
thought it was absolutely beautiful.

neil


Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 22:23:35 -0600
From: Mike Lawyer ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Mark K. / Caroline Records (Idaho) / Bettie Seveert /


>So...if you're obsessing, then you won't mind me pointing out that Jim
>McPherson didn't play on Pod.  He didn't join the Breeders until AFTER
>Safari.
>
>Just being anal.
>
>Rick
>

Mea culpa Mea culpa! Oh How could such a thing escape me, I am an unworthy
fan, I must go grovel before my stero and beg forgivness for my sins:)

Although he didn't play with them on Pod, He is touring with Kim and the
Amps, I guess that's where I got it from.

mike


Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 18:38:42 +0900
From: Masaya Toyokawa ([email protected])
Subject: Spoonfed Hybrid JP cd


hello all,

I have some copy of Spoonfed Hybrid JP version cd for sale.
It has two extra track : messrs hyde : bullets and bees
It is \2500 and postage will be \400 or so.

And I have one used Mrs. Dolphin for sale.
It is \1100 + postage and the first person will get it.
I always search this at used cd shop. This time I could get only one.

Payment should be done in International Postal Money Order.

I have some more cds and comics to sell. You can see the list at

regards,
masaya
---
Maoko & Masaya Toyokawa
Nansei,Mie, Japan
[email protected]


Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 02:15:27 -0800
From: einexile the meek ([email protected])
Subject: etienne gonna die? :(


On Thu, 2 Nov 1995, Nadim Baki-Zada wrote:

>                       RE>>(Re: etienne) & (Otherness)              11/2/95
>
> I thought they'd broken up last year, or something about Sarah Cracknell
> leaving for a solo career. Anyone?

She wasn't part of the band to begin with, so she can leave without doing
much damage. Personally I preferred the girl who sang on their first
single. (Who and where is she? Is she for sale??)

e

Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 02:33:45 -0800
From: einexile the meek ([email protected])
Subject: lush / stina / budd


Just some lame questions I have been meaning to ask/repeat...

1. When exactly is the Lush single due out, what's it called, what sort
   of stuff is on it, has anyone heard it, etc? (I'm excited about it.
   Does anyone else still are about poor ol Lush?)

2. Has anyone got Stina Nordenstam's singles for So This Is Goodbye or
   Something Nice? Are there any non-album tracks to be had? I can't for
   the life of these find these and I absolutely *love* her. :( Help!

3. I'm still needing any info on Harold Budd's self-titled album from (if
   I am not mistaken) 1971, as well as the track recorded with Eugene
   Bowen a comp around 1984 or so. Any help, info, dubs, horror stories
   would as always be appreciated...


 einexile - updated fax guide coming soon ;)

Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 02:12:02 -0800
From: einexile the meek ([email protected])
Subject: Re: (Re: etienne) & (Otherness)


On Thu, 2 Nov 1995 [email protected] wrote:

> > Incidentally, anyone else really *like* the new single? A bit of
> > Euro-tesco with real class. Yes!
>
> Is this the one entitled "Hug My Soul"?  I'm enjoying it immensely.  I really
> like St. Etienne.  Where have they been all my life?  :O

I just found this disc. "American Records" is a classic, if I may be so
bold. What a great song! The other Stanley/Wiggs track is also quite the
shit. but this single is about a year old, I think. Whoever has the new
one, wot's it like?? :) Also is the Hug My Soul remix disc worth
springing for?


 einexile, who still thinks REV is as good as 4AD gets; what FOOLS

Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 02:53:39 -0800
From: einexile the meek ([email protected])
Subject: more harold budd + hi


Just saw this at CDE: Harold Budd & Hector Zazou: Glyph. What is this?
It's new. Who is Hector Zazou? I know the name but cannot place it. Help?

Well, I ordered it, so we'll see. Maybe. (Knock on aethre.)

And hello & Welcome to whomever it is that just now subscribed to the
list. :)


 ambientboy

Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 06:44:04 -0500
From: akbar at the snackbar ([email protected])
Subject: Bruce?!


>>> >bruce also
>>> >played the last song of the show on belly's time, DUSTED.  he was
>>> >screaming the screamer part of the lyrics, which led the crowd to
>>> >believe that bruce and tanya were doing the nasty in the greyhound
>bunk
>>> >beds.
>>>
>>> Bruce?! There's no one in CW named Bruce. You mean Rob, Rob
>Dickinson. Bruce
>>> Dickinson is his uncle, the former singer of Iron Maiden. Unless
>there was
>>                   ~~~~~
>>> something very strange going on at that show...
>>
>>you misspelled "cousin" :-)
>>-----
>>wendy

Sorry...it's just that he seems more like an uncle, being older an' all.
Plus I wasn't quite awake when I wrote it.

>actually i wrote this, and yes i fauz paux, crucify me now and get it
>over with.  euthelene

[looking for hammer and nails] First you slag the European system of writing
dates, for no real reason, then you flame that nice Mr Brinkhuis for
supposedly being a Brit, and now this...and what's with this whole
"sharkless girl" bit? I don't have a shark either, but you don't see me
telling everyone that. And am I the only one who thinks "euthelene" sounds
like some kind of chemical?


>you think that's bad! man, i just moved to germany, and the prices here
>are just OUTRAGEOUS! i used to live in berkeley where i could get great
>cds (ALL cds, really.) for under $10 at amoeba or rasputins.  nowadays i
>pay ATLEAST $25 for the same deal!  what gives?  but i mustn't complain.
>it's one lame drawback to living in a very beautiful country.
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Along with some of the people and the widespread firmly-held belief that
David Hasselhoff somehow possesses some kind of amazing talent...

Larry,


Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 06:19:33 -0600
From: Martin Wagner ([email protected])
Subject: Re: lush / stina / budd


On Sat, 4 Nov 1995, einexile the meek wrote:

> Just some lame questions I have been meaning to ask/repeat...
>
> 1. When exactly is the Lush single due out, what's it called, what sort
>    of stuff is on it, has anyone heard it, etc? (I'm excited about it.
>    Does anyone else still are about poor ol Lush?)

Oh, certainly. In all the recent 4AD-is-going-down-the-loo threads it's
been easy to forget Lush is still one of the few acts they have that are
worth supporting every step of the way. Anyway, the last I heard the
single had been moved back to February at the earliest.
>
> 2. Has anyone got Stina Nordenstam's singles for So This Is Goodbye or
>    Something Nice? Are there any non-album tracks to be had? I can't for
>    the life of these find these and I absolutely *love* her. :( Help!

I listened to her album and really liked what I heard! Unfortunately I
was cashless that day and when I went back to pick it up some !@#$%^ had
beat me to it. If there are non-LP songs floating about they'd certainly
be worth getting.

Martin

Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 06:24:00 -0600
From: Martin Wagner ([email protected])
Subject: Re: etienne gonna die? :(


On Sat, 4 Nov 1995, einexile the meek wrote:

 Personally I preferred the girl who sang on their first
> single. (Who and where is she? Is she for sale??)

Yes, and you get this special deluxe cheese grater with your order, but
you must act now!

Martin

Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 06:22:33 -0600
From: Martin Wagner ([email protected])
Subject: Re: more harold budd + hi


On Sat, 4 Nov 1995, einexile the meek wrote:

> Just saw this at CDE: Harold Budd & Hector Zazou: Glyph. What is this?
> It's new. Who is Hector Zazou? I know the name but cannot place it. Help?

Zazou masterminded the iffy-sounding Sahara Blue concept CD, and has done
at least another since then. He's similar to Hal Willner, if that name
means anything to you; he produces albums floating around a particular
musical idea or concept then enlists numerous musicians to participate.

Martin


Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 07:22:17 -0500
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: lush / stina / budd...CRANES


> > 2. Has anyone got Stina Nordenstam's singles for So This Is Goodbye or
> >    Something Nice? Are there any non-album tracks to be had? I can't for
> >    the life of these find these and I absolutely *love* her. :( Help!
>
> I listened to her album and really liked what I heard! Unfortunately I
> was cashless that day and when I went back to pick it up some !@#$%^ had
> beat me to it. If there are non-LP songs floating about they'd certainly
> be worth getting.

Why in the hell is she so underrated/underpromoted?  I can't believe her first
CD came out in 93, and its already no longer in print.  I've been trying to
find it for a year.  I never hear anything about her in the music press; who
did she piss off?

I can't imagine her not taking off soon; if she comes out with another CD as
good as "and she closed her eyes"; and it gets marketed (and not filed under
"stina") correctly, why wouldn't it sell?  ASCHE is pure ambrosia!!!

At least I hope she doesn't self-destruct on the verge of greatness like the
cranes did.  :\  (btw, anyone notice that the piano player on the first two
cranes cds is listed as Jim Shaw?  Is he alison's brother/husband?  Did they
divorce?  Is she single?  :) :)  Is he even related to her?  I noticed he's
not on "loved" and there's NO piano.  I think his talent is sorely missed on
that one--maybe it was he who maintained that delicate balance of piano and
guitars.)


marvynHortman                 ftp://sharedcast.hccs.cc.tx.us


Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 06:09:39 -0800
From: Robert Pietrusko ([email protected])
Subject: Re: (Re: etienne) & (Otherness)


>springing for?

 i got it over the summer, definately worth picking up if you are into
pretty good dance remixes.... nothing stunning but very tasteful and
well, DANCEY (suprise, suprise.)  it was my car music for about 2
months straight.


                                    -robert.

Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 05:59:41 -0800
From: Robert Pietrusko ([email protected])
Subject: Re: lush / stina / budd...CRANES


>cranes cds is listed as Jim Shaw?  Is he alison's brother/husband?

yes, Jim is her brother.


 Did they
>divorce?  Is she single?  :) :)

when they were around here last Feb. i heard that she was dating the
bassist from Idaho :( :(

who knows now....

 Is he even related to her?  I noticed he's
>not on "loved" and there's NO piano.

he is on "loved," he writes *all* of the music for CRANES and he is
still in the band. it's kind of like he writes the music, and she
writes the lyrics.

                        hope i have helpped,
                                -robert.

Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 06:11:40 -0800
From: Robert Pietrusko ([email protected])
Subject: Re: etienne gonna die? :(


>She wasn't part of the band to begin with, so she can leave without
doing
>much damage. Personally I preferred the girl who sang on their first
>single. (Who and where is she? Is she for sale??)

all i know (i think i heard it on this list actually) is that she is
from Faith over Reason. i saw one of their CDs for i think, $5 the
other day, i might pick it up. shrug. sorry! this post wasn't much help
now was it?

                            -robert.


Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 10:54:22 -0500
From: "la lune est libre, je crois" ([email protected])
Subject: Saint Etienne/Otherness


>After a few listens, it has really got stuck in my brain.  Like a lot of
>StEtienne songs, it's actually quite sad if you listen to the lyrics
>rather than the happy bouncy music.

So it's a bit like something like "Like A Motorway" then, where the words
are sad but the music is really perky?

>I thought they'd broken up last year, or something about Sarah Cracknell
>leaving for a solo career. Anyone?

They put out some kind of statement that to be the most confusing thing
ever. Basically, it said they were splitting up, but not really, and/or
Sarah was leaving, but not really. Apparently Sarah *will* be putting out a
solo album, while Pete and Bob will be working with various other singers.
Likewise, Bob's Icerink label is no more, but still going, apparently. You
work it out.

>I wonder how many people will buy this and miss the "(recycled symbol)
>Mark Clifford" writing.  It's really a Seefeel/Clifford EP using the
>Twins as source material, and I think some people's poor opinions of it
>have arisen from their expecting it to be the Cocteau Twins with minor
>tweaking by Clifford.

I don't think any reworking that Mark does of any source material would ever
be just *minor* tweaking - he seems like the kind of guy who likes to
radically alter tracks almost beyond recognition. I was quite surprised how
little of the original tracks he used, but I like them just as much as the
originals.

Belated recommendation for saving 4ad: scoop up the better bands from the
now-defunct Sarah label. Okay, maybe not...

>"in our christian society there's something wrong with having pleasure.
>pleasure more precisely is called sin."
>        -stereolab "perversion"

write on, Laetitia

Larry

Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 11:12:54 -0500
From: "John B. Jones" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Spoonfed Hybrid JP cd


>hello all,
>
>I have some copy of Spoonfed Hybrid JP version cd for sale.
>It has two extra track : messrs hyde : bullets and bees
>It is \2500 and postage will be \400 or so.


I am sure you will get many responses to this posting, but I was curious
how much \2500 is in US dollars.


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John B. Jones                           e-mail: [email protected]


"You know Bootleg Sal used to live crosstown,
 The law went there and they closed him down,
 Now you can't get that stuff no more."  -Tampa Red & Georgia Tom, 1932
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 11:31:15 +0600
From: cz ([email protected])
Subject: Budd and the IFFY?? Zazou


        e asks:
>> Just saw this at CDE: Harold Budd & Hector Zazou: Glyph. What is this?
>> It's new. Who is Hector Zazou? I know the name but cannot place it. Help?
        Martin says:
>Zazou masterminded the iffy-sounding Sahara Blue concept CD, and has done
>at least another since then.

        What??  IFFY?  That was one of the BEST albums i discovered last
year (it was released in 92 though).  It contained work by such listy
luminaries as Lisa and Brendan, Anneli Drecker (of Bel Canto), Sakamoto,
and Sylvian along with such not so thislisty but still noteworthy artists
as John Cale and Bill Laswell.  Yes it is a concept album (based on the
powerful poetry of Arthur Rimbaud) but it works quite well as opposed to
Hector Zazou's latest album, "cold seas," which has all the power of the
latest siouxsie album.  Well, it's not that bad.
        After the initial stunn of Anneli creeping into your soul with the
chorus of "I'll Strangle You" to a pounding beat, Sahara Blue is a nice mix
of international etherial-jazz accompaniment that brings the words of
Rimbaud to life with nice vocals and an occasional  (well-done) spoken word
song.
        This Budd-Zazou collaboration sounds interesting.  I hope their
personal excesses will combat each other and not work in tandem.  Please
tell us if this is a good buy.

-cz    ... you'll have to excuse my run-on sentences ...

___<<<<<<<<<*********[email protected]********>>>>>>>>>___

"Like a diaphanous nightgown, language both hides and reveals.  There is no
way of getting at the naked truth, even if it's wearing the Emperor's New
Clothes, or the Empress's New Clothos.  We follow our Mother Tongue into
her boudoir, anyway, hoping for a glimpse of something never yet beheld-and
come face to face with our own reflections in her most private mirror,
veiled meanings in a gossamer heap on the floor."     -Karen Elizabeth
Gordon


Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 12:52:37 -0500
From: Kevhin Kean ([email protected])
Subject: Re: CW Live: an opposing view


Glad to hear you got to experience Catherine Wheel.  The dual show came to
Pittsburgh, PA on October 14,1995 without Catherine Wheel.  Belly's set was
dedicated to the remaining members of Catherine Wheel.  Whatt happened in two
days?  I was very bummed!!!

teho-
kk

Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 13:00:17 -0500
From: Kevhin Kean ([email protected])
Subject: frazier chorus


i am interested in finding older frazier chorus on cd. (i.e. sloppy heart,
etc).  thanks

teho

kk

Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 16:57:01 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" ([email protected])
Subject: For Trade: Volume One for Volume Two or Three


Subject says it all.  Reply via private email.

Thanks!


Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 10:31:03 -0800
From: Elvia Tarango ([email protected])
Subject: Re: #4AD IRC Channel on undernet.org


>
>You can get there once you're in IRC by:
>/join #(channel name) (in this case /join #4AD)
>

Once I enter the server closest to me, I am succesful but then it asks me
for a password. What do I enter? And, at which point do I enter /join 4ad?
Thanks!

Elvia

([email protected])

Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 10:55:49 -0800
From: Elvia Tarango ([email protected])
Subject: Ahem,sorry about this...


Again, so sorry but, can someone give me the URL for the new 4AD site? I
deleted it accidently. Thanks!

Elvia

([email protected])


Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 13:35:03 -0600
From: Martin Wagner ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Budd and the IFFY?? Zazou


On Sat, 4 Nov 1995, cz wrote:
>
>         What??  IFFY?  That was one of the BEST albums i discovered last
> year (it was released in 92 though).  It contained work by such listy

Well, that's nice, we disagree. Not like disagreements over an album's
merits have never taken place on this list. FWIW, I'd be interested in
hearing the Australian import version of the album, which still contains
the two songs sung by David Sylvian that were deleted from all other
release versions. Otherwise, the album is too musically inconsistent,
with more lows than highs, to make it a worthwhile listening experience
on the whole. IMO. Sylvian himself has said he dislikes it.

Martin
who doesn't like compilations or tribute albums as a rule anyway

Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 14:36:54 -0600
From: cz ([email protected])
Subject: oops. Please forgive the personal post!


Didn't mean to send that to the list.

Mea Culpa,
cz


Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 14:35:55 -0600
From: cz ([email protected])
Subject: Re: CD sale / Dr. Death / Snowdrops


Sorry e,  i checked the used CD store today and it was DDvol. V not VI at
the store that i saw.  I didn't mean to get your hopes up.

-cz

Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 16:20:37 -0500
From: [email protected]
Subject: St. Ivo?


>>Ivo signs and
drops like a major label<<

Again, most bands on 4AD do not have contracts per se. The 4AD attitude has
always pretty much been based on the option of one recording, then seeing how
things work out. Most bands are free to walk at any time and / or 4AD is free
to drop them.

I really doubt most of anybody on this list, if they had their own label,
would keep a band on and finance them if they felt that their work was
lacking or not progressing the way that it should. I was pissed when Xymox
were dropped, but after witnessing the direction they headed in after that,
you just have to realize that a band can put out one work of genius or ten.

I haven't heard any of the new stuff and I can't imagine not liking it (until
"Twinlights", I couldn't imagine not liking a Cocteau Twins release), but not
even the Red House Painters are above turning into crap. Stranger things have
happened.

And does it really matter if the Red House Painters aren't on 4AD anymore? I
don't care personally. I will continue to buy each of their releases as they
appeal to me.

I haven't agreed with every single thing that 4AD has ever put out. But one
of the reasons that I can't dismiss them so readily, one of the reasons that
I haven't tired of them, is that they aren't the same label they were a year
ago, or the year before that, or the year before that, or the year before
that. Ever since being introduced to the label via the Cocteaus in 1985, I
have been consistently interested in their output because of the integrity
and variety. Sure, I hate Scheer, but if I wanted to only listen to things
that never changed and never introduced anything new into my musical world,
I'd still be listening to the Ramones.

Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 13:40:32 -0800
From: Brant Dewdrops ([email protected])
Subject: the two 4ad samplers


To eliminate any further confusion between the
two most recent 4AD promo compilations, here are
complete descriptions of each.

Facing The Wrong Way
(hereafter FTWW, cat.no. FTWW1, 13 TRACKS)
Released in the UK only with a "buy one 4AD release
from the back catalogue and get FTWW free" deal at certain stores.
Digipak format, mostly pink and orange artwork showing a
wierd burst of worm-like objects. The CD itself comes in
two versions: plain orange, and a repeat of the design on the
front cover. There has also been a wide variation noted in the
how dark this second variety was printed. Design: Vaughan
Oliver / v23. Assistance: Kees Hubers. Photography: Jason Love.

...think I'm getting the hang of it
(hereafter TIGTHOI, cat.no.PRO-CD-7625, 9 TRACKS)
Released in the US only as a giveaway at The
Body Shop with a minimum purchase of $20 of
their typically overpriced soap/bath/purfume
related products. This is now finally available.
The CD comes in one of those cheap cardboard sleeves,
just like the No Balls sampler. The artwork is the
"coffee grounds covering a moldy orange" design. Design:
Vaughan Oliver at v23. Photography: Jason Love.

Since the tracklistings are not identical, here's
a breakdown of what's on what:

Scheer - Take You Anywhere                              [FTWW]
Scheer - Sometimes                                      [TIGTHOI]
Throwing Muses - Snakeface                              [FTWW]
Red House Painters - Summer Dress                       [FTWW]
Red House Painters - Cabezon                            [TIGTHOI]
Tarnation - The Well                                    [FTWW + TIGTHOI]
Air Miami - You Sweet Little Heartbreake                [FTWW]
Air Miami - Dolphin Expressway                          [TIGTHOI]
Mojave - Love Songs On The Radio                        [FTWW]
Belly - Super-Connected                                 [FTWW]
The Wolfgang Press - Christianity (Wicked Man Remix)    [FTWW + TIGTHOI]
Heidi Berry - Miracle (New Version)                     [FTWW + TIGTHOI]
Lisa Gerrard - Sanvean                                  [FTWW + TIGTHOI]
Liquorice - Cheap Cuts                                  [FTWW + TIGTHOI]
Kendra Smith - Valley Of The Morning Sun                [FTWW + TIGTHOI]
The Amps - Empty Glasses (4 track version)              [FTWW]

So obviously FTWW is the one to try to get-- big surprise,
it's the UK only release. Plus you don't have to buy
a ton of overpriced, pretentious soap.

Heard a bit of Otherness yesterday. I must say it sounds
exactly like Seefeel.

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Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 13:58:24 -0800
From: Brant Dewdrops ([email protected])
Subject: lonely may be an eyesore, but the teardrop explodes


Anyone else out there fans of The Teardrop Explodes?
I just dug out my old vinyl copies of Kilimanjaro
and Wilder and I must say that these are two damn fine
albums! I don't want to start a whole discussion on them
(well, maybe it *would* liven up the list a bit...), but
I was wondering what the 3rd TTE album Everyone Wants To Shag...
is like, and is the compilation called Piano worth owning?
Furthermore, are Julian Cope's early solo albums any good?
Forget about everything from World Shut Your Mouth onward...
I'm wondering about Fried and any others.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 14:04:46 -0800
From: David Stack ([email protected])
Subject: Re: the two 4ad samplers

              at Nov 4, 95 01:40:32 pm

>
> To eliminate any further confusion between the
> two most recent 4AD promo compilations, here are
> complete descriptions of each.
>
> Facing The Wrong Way
> (hereafter FTWW, cat.no. FTWW1, 13 TRACKS)
> Released in the UK only with a "buy one 4AD release
> from the back catalogue and get FTWW free" deal at certain stores.
> Digipak format, mostly pink and orange artwork showing a
> wierd burst of worm-like objects. The CD itself comes in
> two versions: plain orange, and a repeat of the design on the
> front cover. There has also been a wide variation noted in the
> how dark this second variety was printed. Design: Vaughan
> Oliver / v23. Assistance: Kees Hubers. Photography: Jason Love.
>
> ...think I'm getting the hang of it
> (hereafter TIGTHOI, cat.no.PRO-CD-7625, 9 TRACKS)
> Released in the US only as a giveaway at The
> Body Shop with a minimum purchase of $20 of
> their typically overpriced soap/bath/purfume
> related products. This is now finally available.
> The CD comes in one of those cheap cardboard sleeves,
> just like the No Balls sampler. The artwork is the
> "coffee grounds covering a moldy orange" design. Design:
> Vaughan Oliver at v23. Photography: Jason Love.
>
> Since the tracklistings are not identical, here's
> a breakdown of what's on what:
>
> Scheer - Take You Anywhere                              [FTWW]
> Scheer - Sometimes                                      [TIGTHOI]
> Throwing Muses - Snakeface                              [FTWW]
> Red House Painters - Summer Dress                       [FTWW]
> Red House Painters - Cabezon                            [TIGTHOI]
> Tarnation - The Well                                    [FTWW + TIGTHOI]
> Air Miami - You Sweet Little Heartbreake                [FTWW]
> Air Miami - Dolphin Expressway                          [TIGTHOI]
> Mojave - Love Songs On The Radio                        [FTWW]
> Belly - Super-Connected                                 [FTWW]
> The Wolfgang Press - Christianity (Wicked Man Remix)    [FTWW + TIGTHOI]
> Heidi Berry - Miracle (New Version)                     [FTWW + TIGTHOI]
> Lisa Gerrard - Sanvean                                  [FTWW + TIGTHOI]
> Liquorice - Cheap Cuts                                  [FTWW + TIGTHOI]
> Kendra Smith - Valley Of The Morning Sun                [FTWW + TIGTHOI]
> The Amps - Empty Glasses (4 track version)              [FTWW]
>
> So obviously FTWW is the one to try to get-- big surprise,
> it's the UK only release. Plus you don't have to buy
> a ton of overpriced, pretentious soap.
>
> Heard a bit of Otherness yesterday. I must say it sounds
> exactly like Seefeel.
>
> |     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
> | Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
> | Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
> | http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html
>
The above looks mostly correct, but
Mojave - Love Songs on the Radio is on TIGTHOI.  I don't have the FTWW so I
don't if it is on there also.

Dave
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Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 18:35:58 -0500
From: Steven Venn ([email protected])
Subject: Re: #4AD IRC Channel on undernet.org


>Once I enter the server closest to me, I am succesful but then it asks me
>for a password. What do I enter? And, at which point do I enter /join 4ad?
>Thanks!
>
>Elvia
>
>([email protected])

You should be able to enter any undernet irc server without a password if
you are using
a regular dial-up service and not a commercial like AOL or Compuserve. If
you are
using like telnet for acess to the undernet you should not need a password
to enter.
You should be able to get direct access to your local account like Netcom
or whatever
and then choose IRC and get in.

On my service I simply enter the server and other infor about myself in the
preferences
file then it logs on. Let me know if you have more trouble. What kind of
system are you
using as in Windows, mac etc. I have a mac and can't really comment on any
other
system, but maybe someone else can tell you how to get access through a
system like
your own.

Steve

20th Century"



The Truth is out there.


Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 15:04:54 -0800
From: Doraemon ([email protected])
Subject: Re: the two 4ad samplers

              Nov 4, 95 02:04:46 pm

David Stack said:
>
> The above looks mostly correct, but
> Mojave - Love Songs on the Radio is on TIGTHOI.  I don't have the FTWW so I
> don't if it is on there also.

It is on FTTW but is unlisted (yet present) on TIGTHOI.  Another difference
is that FTTW is in a digipak (at least the one I saw; perhaps there are
different versions) and TIGTHOI comes in cardboard sleve (as Brant noted)
much like No Balls.

Ed
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Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 15:35:22 -0800
From: [email protected]
Subject: Otherness


I've had Otherness now for about 3 or 4 days.  Anyone in LA needing info on
where to find it, email me.  I love it in a big way. The 1'st song, Feet
Like Fins should not even be called that because there is no, or very
little,  resemblance to the original on Victorialand (other than a few
obscure source sounds).  I kept waiting for it to really kick in, but it
never happened.  So, don't expect a "remix" of it; expect a great
minimal-ambient Seefeel song ala pure/impure or quique era.  Cherry Colored
Funk resembles the orginal a little bit more, but again expect a radically
different song that spirals into pleasant ambient loops.  The two new songs
are cool as well.  Violane has some very nice guitar loops.  The whole EP
is a cool ambient-chill-out sort of CD, not as poppy as anything that the
Cocteaus have done in quite a long time.

Take Care,
Ryan

Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 15:41:28 -0800
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" ([email protected])
Subject: Seefeel and Cocteau Twins


For all you fans of Seefeel...get a clue, folks!  Seefeel is a great
ambient group, but do not compare them with the Cocteau Twins. I think were
talking, apple and oranges.  I recently bought the
Seefeel album, Quique.  I listen to a lot of trip-hop and ambient music.
The vocalist on Seefeel doesn't even come close to the diversity of vocal
sounds as the Cocteau Twins.  I say to all of you
listen before you leap to expressions of comparisons.

"Smallpox infested blankets! Thank you, John Smith"
                                                   Pocahontas via the
cartoon, LA Cucaracha.

Fred/Derf

(c/o [email protected])

Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 18:18:38 -0500
From: "James D. Meacham 3rd" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: the two 4ad samplers


I've only just joined this list, and so this is probably a FAQ, but I need
to know if there is a place in the US where one can get 4AD releases at a
reasonable cost.  I'd love to get my hands on some of these compilation
disks, but any time I see 4AD stuff in Boston, it's upwards of $25 a disk.
 Any suggestions?

Peace,

James

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