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Subject: medicine, field mice, and the dolphin days of summer
Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 01:33:34 -0400
From: Hk Kahng ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Liz being abused....
Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 22:34:52 -0700
From: vilexile ([email protected])
Subject: pro-cookie
Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 22:31:40 -0700
From: vilexile ([email protected])
Subject: The Sabres of Paradise
Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 22:10:47 -0700
From: vilexile ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Liz being abused....
Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 00:51:37 -0600
From: mesocyclone ([email protected])
Subject: ARRRRRGH! Desperately seeking AOS!!!
Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 03:49:50 -0400
From: John Fuller ([email protected])
Subject: Re: belly bad 5003 cdk
Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 12:09:59 MET
From: Huite Rietveld ([email protected])
Subject: Re: the great 4AD tape swap?????
Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 13:19:01 +0100
From: Tobermory ([email protected])
Subject: Medicine Update
Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 11:57:14 -0400
From: my little pony ([email protected])
Subject: Re: the great 4AD tape swap?????
Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 12:15:34 -0500
From: Kanga and lisaRoo ([email protected])
Subject: Re: the great 4AD tape swap?????
Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 19:48:20 -0400
From: Jim Napiorkowski ([email protected])
Subject: My wants list
Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 21:48:43 -0500
From: [email protected]

Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 01:33:34 -0400
From: Hk Kahng ([email protected])
Subject: medicine, field mice, and the dolphin days of summer

uno. Medicine
brainchild of one Brad Laner ([email protected], or so i was told last),
one-time drummer of Savage Republic.  lineup features Beth Thompson who was
at one time the bass player in Fourwaycross, and if memory serves, their
first album had the drummer from the Flying Burrito Brothers.  two albums
_Shot Forth Self Living_ and _The Buried Life_; owned both at one time, kept
the former, sold the latter (one blew me away, the other bored me; take a
guess which was which).  totally bombastic noisepop, sorta like Hanatarash
meets Brian Wilson.  when they hit a melodic groove, it sticks like krazy
glue.  bonds flesh instantly.  perhaps best known for the Guthrie-diverted
mix of "Time Baby III" featured in the soundtrack of 'The Crow'; irony is
that almost nothing in their whole discography sounds as... Cocteaus-esque as
"Time Baby III."  personally i prefer "Time Baby II" which is pretty
unapologetically noisy, but that's just my prudish purism speaking....

dwei. Field Mice
deader than River Phoenix, but infinitely kooler than Keanu "Huh?" Reeves.
 in my book they're quite the shining pride and joy of the Sarah Records
stable (right up there w/ Heavenly and Blueboy), although their followup
incarnation Northern Picture Library had more than their fair share of
momentous musical moments.  the embodiment of sensitive wimp pop, catalogued
over a rather enormous output of singles and ep's.  one cd 'Coastal' compiles
a few of these, and one proper full-length 'For Keeps' turned out to be their
swansong.  both are on Sarah, and only mildly difficult to find (try Parasol
Mailorder - [email protected], i think), but very, very, very much worth
the trouble.  while yer at it, check out Dart's mindblowing rendition of the
Field Mice classic "And Before the First Kiss", the b-side of their
"Sleepless" single on Che (sorry, no e-mail address; try Parasol).

tree. Noel, Jonah and Me
sorta like that song "i say tomaytoh, you say tomahtoe," if you ask Warren,
you'll get ESP Summer, while if you ask Ian, you'll get ESP Dolphin.  it's a
transatlantic thing, or so i'm hazarding a guess.  kinda quaint, really, as i
personally prefer neither over the other - both are very swell, but not quite
as swell as the music that those two genii make.

four. From the Capitol of the Lone Star State
the band is called Sixteendeluxe, and their new album is called 'Backfeed
Magnetbabe.'  out on Trance Syndicate ([email protected]), the slaphappy
brainchild of King "Don't confuse me with Gibby" Koffey, the fine label that
brought us Crust, Johnboy, Ed Hall, Pain Teens, and Bedhead.  significantly
noisy, tangibly melodic, viscerally textural, and anyone who can thoroughly
trash Eno's "Here Comes the Warm Jets" and Chilton's "Kanga Roo" [!] is a-ok
in my book.  dreampop on bad crank, or think of a better Radio Spangle or a
more ordinary Mercury Rev.  calloo.  callay.  another heavily recommended
band from the same geographic locale is shiFt, who are decidedly dreamier
than Sixteendeluxe, and definitely more art-damaged, but for the better.
 they have a six-song cd-ep out on N D ([email protected]).

cinq. Michigan to DC, DC to Michigan-ese...
buy the Liquorice 7", and buy the album when it comes out.  arguably the best
Toomey stuff evah.  jangly indie-prog-pop with a rather severe case of the
bedroom poetry syndrome.  recorded in Michigan in the same house that gave us
'Livonia.'  i'm in love already.  also out on a michigan label (Fantastic
Records - [email protected]) is the second 7" by the Shapiros, a Silver
Spring-area wist-pop combo featuring Pam Berry of Black Tambourine, Skooter K
of Veronica Lake, Trisha Roy of Belmondo and the Heartworms.  beautiful
package, even more beautiful music.

six. Absolute Beginners Only
"But how can you be a nymphomaniac if you've never had sex?"
"I'm choosy."
i'm still sniggling over the choice of music for Edward's post-120volt
bumbling about in the naked city.  and yet hearing the Valentines in the porn
shop scene was... oddly appropriate.  viva Burnt Puppy Music (ASCAP).

seven. Cookies
i'd always wanted to hear "C is for Cookie" being covered by Laibach.

bobbingly yrs,

Brian "Why me and not Keef?" Jones
[tributized thus far by both Psychic TV and Spirea X]

Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 22:34:52 -0700
From: vilexile ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Liz being abused....

On Fri, 26 May 1995, Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear wrote:

> I'm not saying that these aren't legitimate memories, but it seems like
> SO many people nowadays are saying "I was sexually abused as a child".
> Am I one of the few people who weren't or something?  Don't answer that.

I'm sure if you think about it hard enough or have it suggested enough
times by a supposed authority figure, it will come true. Click your heels
and say, "I think I can, I think I can..."

 einexile, who dislikes the various loaded newspeak usages of 'sexual'

Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 22:31:40 -0700
From: vilexile ([email protected])
Subject: pro-cookie

On Fri, 26 May 1995, Alfie Estrada wrote:

> Please pardon the repetitive cookie spam post that I sent just the other day.
>  'Twas a truly rare occasion on which I was actually amused by a piece of
> "junk" e.mail that I couldn't resist forwarding the shit to my friends.

Whoever questions the legitimacy of the cookie post, I ask you: Why did
it take you so long to figure it all out? Where were you a year or two ago
when it was first posted?

It is not junk; it is amusing, not very big, smaller and less frequent
than the sum of anti-cookie flames which inevitably follow, and never
have I heard a shred of evidence that it was a sham. It seems to me that
this is now what is done, anything and everything enjoyed by anyone is
automatically assumed to be a fraud...conspicuously the people who say so
are the same folks who assume any wrongdoing or weirdness on the net is
the result of someone having left their terminal logged in. Hmmm.

> Guess I must've presumed a bit much by calling you all loved ones then
> proceeding to hurl the chunks of reconstituted cookie message.  I
> inadvertently forgot to remove the listserv address out of the message.
>  Sorry... .

I am glad to hear this; if you love the denizens of this list, you are
indeed a fool!

> That said, hope I can still find a handful of friends around these parts, not
> just a slew of people pissed off at those who've wasted bandwith thus far.

Well you've made one. Otherwise, try another mailing list since my
approval has likely sealed you doom.

I still think the cookie message should be added to this list's FAQ. I
have seen five posts and four flames about a harmless cookie recipe. Why
not fight about something constructive, like for instance let's fight
about what is constructive to fight about. Any takers?

emphasis on electronic warbling in favor of more thislisty dark, lush
atmospherics. Very rich. Music for what Interview with the Vampire should
have been. Strings, shakers and nice light acoustic percussion, some
heavenly voices action now and then and the odd focal point of thumpiness
and warbling. One of those FAX releases; two very, very powerful albums,
nice and long, bundled into one $13 domestic release on Instinct.

lines of On Land, Neroli, or Apollo minus Lanois' horrible guitar
noodling? I also hate the song Slowdive seem to be crazy about. What is
Thursday Afternoon like?

action movie, weird and creepy and totally throws you off and confuses
you, plus fun as hell. Quite possibly the best action movie since Aliens.

 einexile, not totally offtopic? something wrong with einexile?

Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 22:10:47 -0700
From: vilexile ([email protected])
Subject: The Sabres of Paradise

On Fri, 26 May 1995, Paul W. Francisco wrote:

> > Does our little In the Nursery wing still exist? I thought I might call
> > attention to their track on the new Sabres of Paradise mini-album.
> At least some of the ItN wing still exists.  What is Sabres of
> Paradise, though?  Is it a band, a project, or something else
> entirely?

Sorry. Tunnelvision strikes again. :) The Sabres of Paradise are Andy
Weatherall and two other guys, a very weird and dubby techno project on
Warp. Funky stuff with lots of cymbals, flange, spooky melodies and cool,
catchy basslines. There is really no one else I could compare them to
except maybe a twisted cross between Renegade Soundwave and Autechre, but
that's pushing it. Weatherall (along with a hundred other people) is
wrongly credited with 'saving techno'. He produced some of Screamadelica
and the awful One Dove album, neither of which are anything like the
Sabres. The other two characters in the band are not known to me. The
stuff is very hip and weird, the second album is not very musical and my
descriptions are largely of the first album. They are not one of my
favorite artists but they are one of the most innovative and unique bands
around, and no one has a similar feel.

They also sound nothing like In the Nursery...anyway I hope this is
helpful. If you want to sample something of theirs I recommend Sabresonic
rather than Haunted Dancehall.


Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 00:51:37 -0600
From: mesocyclone ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Liz being abused....

   Actually, statistics show that one in four girls and one in ten boys
will be molested by the time they are 18.  Of course, this is subject to
differences in the law's interpretation and the individuals involved.
But it also gives you something to think about.

Amber   ......broadcasting from the edge of the madding crowd......     Storm
Waves            Will Coucheron-Aamot a.k.a. [email protected]               In The
 Of                    "the most beautiful noise"                       Ocean
Noise                      my bloody valentine                           Sky

Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 03:49:50 -0400
From: John Fuller ([email protected])
Subject: ARRRRRGH! Desperately seeking AOS!!!

Hi all--

I'm looking, almost desperately, for a group on
the Natural Born Killers soundtrack-- AOS doing a song
History (Repeats Itself).  The song is edited for the soundtrack, but is
copyrighted 1994, CIM (Gema), used courtesy of Thamos Productions.

Of course, I can't find anything by a group called AOS *anywhere*.  It's
as if they don't exist.  The song is very DCD-ish, and I'm beginning to
think they're some obscure European-type group, but I'm not sure.  The
NBK cd label credits k. buhlert, t. wilbrandt, and f. lovsky for the song.

Help finding anything else by them or about them-- cd, vinyl, tape, 8-track,
reel-to-reel, betamax,  whatever the format, I don't care-- is most
appreciated.  It seems that no one in the country (US) has ever heard of
them, but I can't believe they just wafted onto a Trent Reznor/Oliver
Stone soundtrack from the ethereal regions of some parallel universe.

ANY help appreciated.  E-mail welcome.


Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 12:09:59 MET
From: Huite Rietveld ([email protected])
Subject: Re: belly bad 5003 cdk

> >Yes it is, but  the 'Super-Connected'  CD-EP bears that same number. And to
> >make it more complicated: 'Super-Connected' is a Euro-only (= non-UK)
> >release, but comes in a digipak, that's manufactured in the UK. And to make
> >it even more complicated: the German (Rought Trade) digipak has cat. number
> >BAD 5003 CD, while the Benelux (PIAS) digipak has cat. number BAD 3005 CDK.

Okay, here's te verified Superconnected-story:

Superconnected is manufactured after an ordering by Rough Trade (Germany) and
Play It Again Sam (Belgium, Netherlands). The sleeve is designed by V23.
The glass-master is manufactured by Rough Trade and therefore carries the
number RTD12020163 II.

After the first edition someone at 4AD's (let's call her 'K' (full name
and credentials known)) discovered the wrong cataloguenumber. That is:
the number was already given to the 'Now They'll Sleep' EP.

De film (the original the printer uses) of the sleeve was therefore
altered. The easiest way was to add some character. They chose the first
letter of the first name of 'K'.

Super-Connected BAD 5003 CD is _not_ withdrawn, but my guess is that there
aren't very much pieces released with this wrong Cat#.


Huite Rietveld
Play It Again Sam

Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 13:19:01 +0100
From: Tobermory ([email protected])
Subject: Re: the great 4AD tape swap?????

Isn't this highly illegal??

Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 11:57:14 -0400
From: my little pony ([email protected])
Subject: Medicine Update

I just heard the new Medicine Lp "Her Highness" which is
soon-to-be-released and i must say i am very impressed- initially, i was
pretty shocked since it is very different in certain respects to both
"The Buried Life" and "Shot Forth Self Living"- i like both albums but
really like the utter noise of "SFSL"- this album is interesting and
certainly grows on you; the use of acoustic guitar and organ on a few
tracks is really disconcerting at first- i recommend fans to check it
out- when is it scheduled for release?

Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 12:15:34 -0500
From: Kanga and lisaRoo ([email protected])
Subject: Re: the great 4AD tape swap?????

> Isn't this highly illegal??
> Tob

you mean to tell me that you have never dubbed a tape for a friend?

that's like saying that you ALWAYS go 35 mph no matter what....

Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 19:48:20 -0400
From: Jim Napiorkowski ([email protected])
Subject: Re: the great 4AD tape swap?????

According to US law, it is NOT illegal to make such tapes, as long as you do
not intend to sell them for profit.

I am not sure, but you may ask to be re-imbursed for the actual cost of the
blank cassette, but you cannot ask for being re-imbursed for the time and
trouble of recording.

A similar situation arose on the Depeche Mode board.  This is known as their
"MODEified" project.  Memebers of that particular board (who also were
musically talented) were asked to do out-takes of their favorite depeche mode
song.  these songs were submitted and put to tape.  copies were availiable to
the rest of the members.  all you had to do pay for the tape (or supply one)
and of course postage.

if after reading this you are still unsure...  no amount of encouragement
from the 'net will help you... go talk to an attorney if you still fear the
all-powerful us government.


Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 21:48:43 -0500
From: [email protected]
Subject: My wants list

Since I got quite a few people writing to me saying they had items on my
"most wanted" 4AD list, I thought I'd send my complete list.  I of course,
will pay top dollar.  I also have a not-inconsiderable list of things
(almost all 4AD) to trade.

So, here it is...

7" Singles:
BAUHAUS -- Dark Entries [AD 3] (black and white label)
BAUHAUS -- Dark Entries [AD 3] (blue and white label)
BAUHAUS -- Terror Couple Kill Colonel [AD 7] (aa-side matrix "AD7-AA1 TA1PE")
COLOURBOX -- Breakdown [AD 215]
THE FAST SET -- Junction One [AXIS 1]
FRAZIER CHORUS -- Sloppy Heart - "Sloppy Heart" [AD 708] (promo)
SHOX -- No Turning Back [AXIS 4]
THIS MORTAL COIL -- Kangaroo [AD 410] (black and red sleeve)
ULTRA VIVID SCENE -- Something To Eat [AD 908] (freebie with postcard)

12" Singles and EPs:
BELLY -- Slow Dust [BAD 2009] (with window sticker)
COCTEAU TWINS -- Iceblink Luck [BAD 0011] (with poster)
DIF JUZ -- Vibrating Air [BAD 116]
PIXIES -- Velouria [BAD0009] (with poster)
PIXIES -- Bossanova - "Allison" [PIX3] (promo)
PIXIES -- Planet Of Sound - "Planet Of Sound" [BAD 1008] (promo)
UNDERGROUND LOVERS -- Leaves Me Blind - "Your Eyes" [GUP 2] (promo)
THE WOLFGANG PRESS -- King Of Soul - "King Of Soul" [BAD 804] (promo)
THE WOLFGANG PRESS -- Funky Little Demons - "Remixes Number One" [TWP 4] (promo)
THE WOLFGANG PRESS -- Funky Little Demons - "Remixes Number Two" [TWP 5] (promo)
VARIOUS ARTISTS -- Pressage(s) [BAD 11] (black sleeve)
VARIOUS ARTISTS -- Pressage(s) [BAD 11] (brown sleeve)

COCTEAU TWINS -- Blue Bell Knoll [CAD 807] (gatefold sleeve)
PALE SAINTS -- The Comforts Of Madness [CAD 0002] (with three postcards)
UNREST -- Imperial F.F.R.R. - "Suki"/UNDERGROUND LOVERS -- Leaves Me Blind -
"I Was Right" [GUP 1] (promo)
VARIOUS ARTISTS -- Natures Mortes-Still Lives [CAD 117]

Compact Discs:
HEIDI BERRY -- Heidi Berry - "Mercury" [45301] (promo digipak)
DEAD CAN DANCE -- Baraka/Into The Labyrinth - "The Host Of Seraphim" [DCD 1]
(promo digipak)
DEAD CAN DANCE -- Into The Labyrinth - "Yulunga" (promo digipak)
HIS NAME IS ALIVE -- Mouth By Mouth - "In Every Ford" [HNIA 2] (promo)
VARIOUS ARTISTS -- Mai Pen Rai [PRO-CD-6055] (US promo in all eight sleeve
colors except):
*gold on silver with black lettering outside/bright blue inside
*copper on light gray with black lettering outside/bright yellow inside
*metallic blue on light blue with gold lettering outside/bright green inside
*dark blue on light olive with gold lettering outside/mustard yellow inside
*burgundy on dark olive with gold lettering outside/bright orange inside
*purple on pink with gold lettering outside/bright blue inside

4AD -- Catalogue (pre-1986)
V 23 -- T-Shirt [TT 23] (printed front and back, short sleeves)
VARIOUS ARTISTS -- Lonely Is An Eyesore [CAD X 703] (deluxe limited edition
VARIOUS ARTISTS -- 4AD Video Collection 92 (US promo NTSC video)
VARIOUS ARTISTS -- The 13 Year Itch [SHUFFLE] (NTSC video)

Thanks for _any_ help you can offer.

-- Jeff

Jeffrey T. Gayton
[email protected]

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