4ad-l Mail for 02-18-1995

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Subject: The Real Ramona
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 01:23:21 -0500
From: "Scorpio M." ([email protected])
Subject: Re: DCD music on TV show
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 01:50:01 -0500
From: The Purple Sage ([email protected])
Subject: SF area people..help! i need to a favour...
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 23:56:58 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * ([email protected])
Subject: Unsubscribe
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 08:16:00 +0200
From: Colin Windell ([email protected])
Subject: SIGNOFF 4AD-L
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 05:13:35 -0700
From: Anthony Chavez ([email protected])
Subject: Re: ULLYSES
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 08:58:30 -0600
From: kendal obermeyer ([email protected])
Subject: RE[2]: real ramona
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 09:17:45 -0800
From: Dhimant Patel ([email protected])
Subject: Michael Brook
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 12:27:47 -0500
From: TIM CONLON ([email protected])
Subject: Re: The Real Ramona
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 12:21:35 -0500
From: Deb ([email protected])
Subject: Re: SF area people..help! i need to a favour...
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 09:39:18 -0800
From: Rick Stone ([email protected])
Subject: Galaxie 500, A.R. Kane....
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 09:54:16 -0800
From: Julian Stewart ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Siouxsie
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 13:05:59 -0400
From: aLFRED dOUGLAS ([email protected])
Subject: Opal: Early Recordings
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 10:14:00 EST
From: Rob Galgano ([email protected])
Subject: More Godflesh
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 13:29:40 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Gearheads
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 14:01:04 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM ([email protected])
Subject: House tornado
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 14:12:10 EST
From: Matt Krom ([email protected])
Subject: Eden
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 15:08:03 -0500
From: Melvin Snerdly ([email protected])
Subject: 4ad promo stuff
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 15:13:33 EST
From: MR NORMAN N LEVENSTEIN ([email protected])
Subject: DCD in movie preview
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 16:17:15 -0500
From: Jason Michael Ouellette ([email protected])
Subject: Re: blah blah blah blah uurffffpt!
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 13:54:43 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM ([email protected])
Subject: LSD in OC
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 15:12:35 -0500
From: Melvin Snerdly ([email protected])
Subject: JTG and AW on 4AD promos and stuff...
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 14:00:46 -0500
From: [email protected]
Subject: My other helium question
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 13:06:23 MDT
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: House tornado
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 18:01:08 EST
From: Matt Krom ([email protected])
Subject: Massive (Attack)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 17:18:26 -0500
From: [email protected]
Subject: Earwig
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 17:25:07 -0500
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: House tornado
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 19:46:02 EST
From: D Andrew Reynhout ([email protected])
Subject: VERY LONG Muses Interview Pt2
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 19:45:49 -0600
From: Sanz ([email protected])
Subject: Re: House tornado
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 22:04:06 +0000
From: "K. Bruner" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: DCD in movie preview
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 16:54:53 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * ([email protected])
Subject: zines, strings
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 21:46:07 EST
From: "ISAACC'S GHOST" ([email protected])
Subject: VERY LONG Muses Int.Pt1
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 19:43:58 -0600
From: Sanz ([email protected])
Subject: King Of Sweet cd for trade
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 12:35:37 --9-30
From: [email protected]

Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 01:23:21 -0500
From: "Scorpio M." ([email protected])
Subject: The Real Ramona


                I was wondering if anyone out there has a copy of the
Muses cd, "The Real Ramona" either on cd or tape that they would be
willing to sell at a reasonable price.....I don't have a car and for the
most part the music stores nearby my location don't really invest too
much of their stock on music that isn't brand new and Pearl Jammie.
Please let me know if anyone would even copy it for me.....I just dearly
want/need/MUST have it.        -please-


                                        Thanks in advance----
                                                Scorpio M.
                                        [email protected]


Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 01:50:01 -0500
From: The Purple Sage ([email protected])
Subject: Re: DCD music on TV show


On Tue, 17 Jan 1995, Matt Krom wrote:

> Just a tidbit -- I heard "Mother Tongue" from "The Serpent's Egg" used as
> background music for a documentary tonight on The Learning Channel.  The
> show was called "After the Flood", it was about river engineering, and
> interestingly enough the music was accompanied by aerial views of rivers,
> similar to the cover of the album!

Well, not quite thislisty, but vaguely connected... I noticed (in an ad
from some big chain store) a CD soundtrack to some show from the
discovery channel done by the Residents. Does this strike anyone else as
rather odd?

purp


Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 23:56:58 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * ([email protected])
Subject: SF area people..help! i need to a favour...


  the subject says it all...e-mail me if you want to help or think you can
  or something...it's not a terribly BIIIIG favour..just a li'l big favour..
  but it's urgent...


  *k*

Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 08:16:00 +0200
From: Colin Windell ([email protected])
Subject: Unsubscribe


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Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 05:13:35 -0700
From: Anthony Chavez ([email protected])
Subject: SIGNOFF 4AD-L


I hate to post to the list, but please remove me from the 4AD-L list.  I
can't the Listserver doesn't seem to be recognizing my name.
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Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 08:58:30 -0600
From: kendal obermeyer ([email protected])
Subject: Re: ULLYSES

              95 03:11:14 pm

Hullo to the listers...
     Does anyone know if the misspellings in the lyrics to Dead Can
Dance's "Ullyses" (sp. Ulysses) are intentional? -->oh, the
implications...<-- I would've chalked it up to bad spelling and worse
proofreaders were it not for their misspelling of the word "Oddysey"
(real sp. odyssey) ...a pun, perhaps? "on an Oddysey of
self-discovery..." .... hmmm....
                                any and all input welcome...
                        and freak freely...
                Kendal ([email protected])

Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 09:17:45 -0800
From: Dhimant Patel ([email protected])
Subject: RE[2]: real ramona


>
>                 I was wondering if anyone out there has a copy of the
> Muses cd, "The Real Ramona" either on cd or tape that they would be
> willing to sell at a reasonable price.....I don't have a car and for the
> most part the music stores nearby my location don't really invest too
> much of their stock on music that isn't brand new and Pearl Jammie.
> Please let me know if anyone would even copy it for me.....I just dearly
> want/need/MUST have it.        -please-
>
>
>                                         Thanks in advance----
>                                                 Scorpio M.
>                                         [email protected]
>
_______________________________________________________________________

        CONSIDER THIS,  THIS CD/TAPE IS STILL AVAILABLE THROUGH COLUMBIA
HOUSE RECORD SERVICE.  LOOK FOR A FLYER IN SUNDAY PAPER.  I CAN GO BUY IT
FOR YOU FROM A STORE 10MIN AWAY FROM HERE OR I CAN COPY IT FOR YOU.

let me know

[email protected]


Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 12:27:47 -0500
From: TIM CONLON ([email protected])
Subject: Michael Brook


  It may have already been mentioned...but he is credited with the
infinte guitar on the John Cale/Bob Neuwirth CD.._Last Day on Earth_.
1994  MCA.

Timothy Conlon


TIM CONLON
[email protected]


Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 12:21:35 -0500
From: Deb ([email protected])
Subject: Re: The Real Ramona


"Scorpio M." <[email protected]> wrote:

NO! Please do not rip off the Muses and 4AD! I'll be glad to buy you a copy.
If you're interested, contact me privately.

--
Deb / [email protected] / Wed 01-18-1995 12:21 EST / Yarn 0.76 / YES 0.13B

Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 09:39:18 -0800
From: Rick Stone ([email protected])
Subject: Re: SF area people..help! i need to a favour...

              *" at Jan 17, 95 11:56:58 pm

>
>   the subject says it all...e-mail me if you want to help or think you can
>   or something...it's not a terribly BIIIIG favour..just a li'l big favour..
>   but it's urgent...

Kelli...

You didn't put your e-mail address in your note, so I've got to post to
the list.

I'm right outside of SF and spend most of my time there, so I could
POSSIBLY be persuaded to do a favor. :)

Let me know.

Rick
[email protected]


Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 09:54:16 -0800
From: Julian Stewart ([email protected])
Subject: Galaxie 500, A.R. Kane....


Very little 4AD content. Be warned :)

Ever since my store started buying used CDs, we've gotten in an amazing
amount of good music. Yesterday, I found two copies of A.R. Kane's "69" on
a cart full of used stuff, for $3.49 apiece. Mind you, I'm one of the only
two people in my store who are familiar with A.R. Kane....and I was rather
pleased with the find, considering that these Rough Trade issues have been
out of print for quite a while..

so much for the 4AD content....

I've been hunting madly for the elusive Galaxie 500 discs. Finally found a
place in Denver that can get them, for a good $19 a pop :( . Also was informed
that there is an import-only (of course!) disc of B-sides and outtakes....

but never despair, fellow Wareham fans....once certain contractual binds are
taken care of, there are at least three labels that want to put out G 500
reissues. Perhaps by April or so....

-julian-


Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 13:05:59 -0400
From: aLFRED dOUGLAS ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Siouxsie


>>Can anyone tell me what the Morrissey/Siouxsie single, _Interlude_ sounds like

>>I keep forgetting to go to Blockbuster and wait in line for those dumb listeni

>>g stations.
>>
>>-tom
>>
>
>SAPPY, SAPPY, SAPPY.  I found it depressing and boring.  I'm a big fan of
>Siouxsie and like Morrissey quite a bit too, but I couldn't stand to listen
>to it more than a couple of times before I returned it to the record store
>for trade.  Of course, this is just my opinion; but i hated it!
>
>-Tony
>

HEY, I THINK IT'S BRILLIANT!!! Great song, great vocals, great everything.
But I would have much rather seen one or two more tracks rather than two other
versions of the same track.

Alfred Douglas.

Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 10:14:00 EST
From: Rob Galgano ([email protected])
Subject: Opal: Early Recordings


Available for sale or trade:

Opal - Early Recordings (CD, with the extra song - Rough Trade US)

also available:
Cindytalk - Camouflage Heart (on CD)

Trades or $ considered.
Inquire at [email protected] OR [email protected]
Offers accepted until January 20 1995.

Thanks.
Rob Galgano


Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 13:29:40 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM ([email protected])
Subject: More Godflesh


In message Tue, 17 Jan 1995 12:42:26 +0000,
  "Jon O. Kvebaek" rose from his watery grave to say:

> On Mon, 16 Jan 1995, jOHN yOCHIM wrote:
>
>
>> In message Tue, 3 Jan 1995 10:04:59 -0800,
>>    Godflesh's album PURE is Wonderful.  It's such an angry,
>>  uncompromising  record.  Too bad it's written off as typical
>> grind-death-doom core.  The song PURE and PURE II especially.
>>
>>    Anyone else like them?  Am I going to get flamed for this (recall the
>> Weezer  post?)
>>
>>        -jOHN is a pretty kitty
>>
>
> Oh, I love the only album I have - 'Streetcleaner'. How does this compare
> to e.g. 'Pure'? (Maybe we should take this private...)

Nah, lets keep this Public... Imagine, Godflesh on the 4AD-L.
Pure is Much better than Streetcleaner.  PURE sounds more mechanical, and
noisier.  The Percussion on the title track "pure" is the greatest thing
ever. SLAVESTATE is also good... it's a mini-album / maxi-ep thing
released between STREETCLEANER and PURE.  SLAVE is also better than STREET.
But PURE is a must have.  I fully recommend it.  Even my goth friends like
it because it's so dark and evil.  I have yet to hear the new album... I was
very disappointed w/ the COLD WORLD ep...

> It's not like I listen to it every day - but when I'm in the mood...'You
> breed / Like rats'...;)

Neither do I... but once in awhile I need something to accompany my
"I'm gonna kill everyone I see / I hate everyone" mood.  Helmet is also good
for this (mainly the first album, and some of MEANTIME).

If you live in a dorm or in an apartment/house, and you want to clear the
room really fast, Godflesh and MBV's LOVELESS do a great job.

Oh yeah, I think Peyote translates to Godflesh in Native Indian.
I read that somewhere.
     -jOHN

Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 14:01:04 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Gearheads


In message Tue, 17 Jan 1995 17:11:22 -0500,
  Jeremy Orr   writes:

> As it happens, I also think that they're
> incredibly beautiful pieces of machinery.

In a world filled w/ stratocasters, B.C. Rich -metal guitars, and Gibson
flyinf V's, it's nice to see beautiful guitars like jAZZMASTERS and Gibson
335's.

>
> And thanks to [email protected] (jOHN yOCHIM) for his suggestion about the
> new pickups - very interesting!  I need to take mine in anyway (to fix a
> few buzzing noises that my switches seem to be causing), so I'll look
> into that.

The pickup cost me about $55 bucks, + instalment (which I don't suggest you
do by yrself).  They come in a standard hi-gain, and yet another one that
is even louder.  I chose the first one, because I wanted to keep that
jAZZMASTER sound, but wanted to make it a little thicker and louder.


      -jOHN

Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 14:12:10 EST
From: Matt Krom ([email protected])
Subject: House tornado


I think I know why some people have said that the new Throwing
Muses material reminds them of House Tornado.  First of all, it's
really good!  Also, "Bright Yellow Gun" has the same feel for me as
"Juno", probably especially because of David's playing...
  !!
Cheers,
matt

[email protected]


Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 15:08:03 -0500
From: Melvin Snerdly ([email protected])
Subject: Eden


Not to sound like some idustry connection person, the new Eden album is
supposed to come out in Februarry or March.  For those who were asking, Eden
is obviously still together, but has a different set of members but Sean is
still the main Eden person.  And from what I have heard from people who
already have heard it, the new album is very different from anything they
have done previosly.  They said it was more psychedelic-rock (in a cool way)
rather than medeival/world music sounding.

Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 15:13:33 EST
From: MR NORMAN N LEVENSTEIN ([email protected])
Subject: 4ad promo stuff


-- [ From: Norman Levenstein * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

while browsing the local used cd store today, i came accross the
following
4ad promo items. if anyone wants one, i can go back and pick it up.
they were only
$1 each.

pale saints - angel
1) angel (will you be my). album version

pale saints - henry
1)henry. album version
2)one blue hill. album version

lisa germano - stars
1) stars. album version

unrest - cath carrol
1) cath carrol. album version
2) cath carrol. acoustic
3) so sick. acoustic
4) where have all the peurto rican boys gone?
5) hydro


-bruce

Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 16:17:15 -0500
From: Jason Michael Ouellette ([email protected])
Subject: DCD in movie preview


I haven't had time to identify the title and album yet, but I recognized
a track from one of the older DCD albums in a preview for Clive Barker's
movie, "Lord of Illusions."  They seem to be popping up everywhere these
days. :)


Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 13:54:43 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM ([email protected])
Subject: Re: blah blah blah blah uurffffpt!


In message Tue, 17 Jan 1995 16:40:04 -0500,
  Hk Kahng   writes:

>>Yesterday I re-listened to the last (hopefully) moonshake Jr. record.
>>  What a bunch of shite!!!  Really, it lacks everything Moonshake used to
>>   have.  I especially _*HATE*_ how Dave plays down Mig's drumming... You
>> can barely tell it's him!!!  AAARRRGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
>>
> It's just my opinion, but I think Dave played down Mig's drumwork because
> drums are mostly incidental window dressing on that album. In fact,
> _Sound Your Eyes Can Follow_ sounded to me more like a Threepenny Opera
> big band swing record fashioned out of soundbites and samples.

Ok.  But one would assume that if any band loses half of its members, and
then changes its style, that the band would also change it's name.

Moonshake are no longer Moonshake.

Freeform jazz or whatever, Everything the band once had is now lost.
No more guitars, no more bass ala John Freenet, Migs drums are barely there,
and no more Marge.  No more Moonshake.

Sure, you could argue that Dave felt the need to progress, and to move on
to uncharted territory.  The entire existance of Moonshake was about
progression... from FIRST to EVA LUNA to BIG GOOD ANGEL... but throughout
all the change, Moonshake still sounded unmistakeably like Moonshake.  Now
they sound like shite!


> Incidentally, I think John and Mig made one hell of a bass'n'drums tag
> team. Too bad the rest of the band couldn't get along....
>

They were going to tour the States w/ PJ Harvey, but then they broke up.
What a shame.

>>Not many people
>>     play jAZZMASTERS and jAGUARS.
>>
>
> The bridge design on the Jazzmaster and the Jaguar is awful, period.  It
> has no sustain to speak of, and any amount of semi-enthusiastic strumming
> usually results in a string or two slipping on the bridge grooves and
> going horribly out of tune.

Mine stays in tune pretty well, as long as I don't go absolutly nutz.
The sustain *is* lacking, but this also makes for a nice initial attack,
because the overall sound is so "dinky".


>
> That said, I will add that the Jazzmaster does have a great jangly sound
> (and a surprisingly hum-free one at that), and the tremolo is wonderful.
> With minimal adornment, it makes a fantastic surf rock guitar, and with
> all the digital and analog trimmings it can make a truly heavenly racket.

> But then again, what do I find myself strumming nowadays?  A Telecaster.
> :)

a tele?  Thems Country western gee-tars!

>

          -jOHN

Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 15:12:35 -0500
From: Melvin Snerdly ([email protected])
Subject: LSD in OC


I just had this emailed to me, a transcription of a Love Spirals Downwards
review in, of all places, the Orange County Register (OC is one of
California's Republican strongholds for those of you unfamiliar with the
area).  I must say, the writer does seem to have some familiarity with this
style of music, which is suprising for a conservative newspaper:

Love Spirals Downwards
"Ardor," Projekt

 Los Angeles' Love Spirals Downwards is one of those bands for whom words are
at once essential yet meaningless.  With its ethereal grace and sonic
splendor, Love Spirals Downwards' songs can't bear pedestrian titles such as,
oh "I'll Make Love to You."  Instead, it has to announce itself with all the
pomp and poetic circumstance of a triumphant march: "Mirrors a Still Sky,"
"Avincenna," "Kykeon," "Depression Glass," Sidhe," and " Sunset Bell" are
just some of the titles on the group's second album, "Ardor".  Yet, as with
obvious inspirations such as Cocteau Twins and Dead Can Dance, the lyrics to
the individual songs matter less than the mood the songs convey as a whole.
   Soaringly romantic and hauntingly brooding, "Ardor" practically celebrates
an elegant brand of Euro-cool.  In other words, this duo is on formerly O.C.
based/now Pasadena based Projekt Records instead of England's 4AD label, but
the latter certainly is the Love's spiritual home.
   Yes, the twosome of Ryan Lum and Suzanne Perry deal in many cliches of the
genre-airy vocals, echo-laden guitar, vague washes of Eastern
sensibilities-but they do it with a sense of panache and grace.  Tracks such
as "Write in Water," "Avincenna," and "Subsequently" share a moody,
hallucinatory presence.

  by Cary Darling/The Register

Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 14:00:46 -0500
From: [email protected]
Subject: JTG and AW on 4AD promos and stuff...


Andrew Wappat sent me a rather detailed questions about 4AD promos a couple
of weeks ago.  Well, I've been really busy studying for prelims (thank God
they're over now!), so I wasn't able to get to it.  Now that I've tried, I
can't seem to get my server to send this directly to him.  The information
seemed relevant to the list and may be of some use to people, so I thought
I'd send it to everyone.  BE WARNED, this is anal 4AD stuff...

>Jeff...
>(1) Cheers for your thoughts on Natures Mortes - Still Lives....although
>I'm not sure if I agree!! I must go back and check through some of my
>stuff like press clippings when I was much younger and had too much time
>to kill! I did once spend a week in the Cambridge University copyright
>library, going through *ALL* the early 1980's back issues of NME to find all
>the 4AD press releases!! I can vaguely remember something about 10,000
>copies of the LP being made in Japan, and then 500 copies being imported
>by the label to sell by mail order in the UK....the only place where my
>copy has CAD 117 is on the back cover inside one of the black strips...hmmm..
>Perhaps I'll re-send the message when people are back from their holidays?
>
>Can anyone confirm the status of this?  The new Vaughan Oliver book has a
>picture of Natures Mortes with true UK-type catalog numbers on it.  Is this
>real, or just the original artwork that was sent to Japan and subsequently
>modified?
>
>(2) Here is a list of "unconventional" UK 4AD releases which I'm going to
>post to the list soon. Perhaps you could send me any additions and/or
>corrections you might know of beforehand? Many thanks....
>                   +----------------------------------+
>                    : NON CONVENTIONAL 4AD UK RELEASES :
>                   +----------------------------------+
>
>These releases are UK in origin, and are special editions, promotional
>items and freebies...and thus not available through the usual channels.
>The qualification for entry is a 4AD catalogue number that is not
>duplicated in any of the 4AD mailorder catalogues...this rules out the
>more recent label practice of simply handing out pre-release conventional
>copies with "promotional use only" stickers on the usual cover and/or
>"for promotional use only - not for resale" stamped onto the usual CD.
>
>*** Please send any additions and/or corrections to my e-mail address ***
>
>Berry, Heidi      HB 1        5" CD promo for CAD 1012
>                  (washington square/bright as day/lily)
>
>Black, Frank      FB 1        5" CD promo for CAD 3004
>                  (los angeles/fu manchu/old black dawning/ten percenter)

There is also a UK promo CD for "Teenager Of The Year."  It contains the
entire album and has the cat. no. DAD 4009 CD.

>The Breeders       BREED 1    10" promo for BAD 3011
>                  (??)
>
>The Breeders       BREED 2     7"  freebie with initial CAD 3014
>                  (A: grunge B: new year)
>
>Cocteau Twins      AD 314      7"  promo for BAD 314 (one sided)
>                        (A: sugar hiccup)
>
>Cocteau Twins      CT BOX 1   a 10 x CD box set of all the previous EP's
>                  etc. with various bonus tracks.
>
>Cocteau Twins      CT 1 CD     5" CD freebie with CT BOX 1
>                  (dials/crushed/high monkey monk/oomingmak(instrum))
>
>Colourbox         MAD 509    12" freebie LP with initial CAD 508
>10000             (3: edit the dragon/hipnition/we walk around the streets/
>                   arenaII 4: manicII/fast dump/sex gun)
>
>Dead Can Dance     DCD 1     ???
>                  (???)

This is a UK promo CD in a digipak.  It's a promo for both the movie
"Baraka" and the DCD album "Into The Labyrinth."  The first song is "The
Host of Seraphim."  I don't know what else is on it.

There is also a regular promo CD digipak just for "Into The Labyrinth."  I
think it contains the entire album.

And finally, there is a promo CD digipak for "Toward The Within" issued for
both the US and UK.  The UK cat. no. is DAD 4015 CD and the US cat. no is
45769.  It contains the entire album.

>Frazier Chorus    AD 708      7" promo for BAD 708
>                  (A: sloppy heart B: typical)
>
>Hersh, Kristin    KH 1       12" freebie live LP with initial CAD 2013
>                  (juno/marriage tree/pearl/stand up/dovey/mexican women/
>                   run letter/soap&water/rabbits dying/cry baby cry/counting
>                   backwards/handsome woman/take/soul soldier/bea/delicate
>                   cutters)
>
>Hersh, Kristin     KH 1 CD     5" freebie live LP with initial CAD 2013 CD
>                  (as above KH 1)
>
>Hersh, Kristin     KH 2        7" mail order freebie for CAD 4002
>                  (A: velvet days (demo version) B: houdini blues (demo))
>
>His Name Is Alive  HNIA 1      7" promo for CAD 0008
>                  (A: how ghosts affect relationships AA: if july)
>
>His Name Is Alive  HNIA 2 CD   5" CD promo for CAD 3006
>                  (???)

The cat. no. for this is actually HNIA 2, though it is a CD.  The first song
is "In Every Ford."

>Lush              LUSH 1 CD   5" CD promo for BAD 1016
>                  (nothing natural/monochrome/nothing natural(12" version))
>
>Lush              LUSH 2
>                  (??)

This is a UK 12" promo for "Hypocrite."  It contains "Hypocrite" and
"Undertow (Spooky Remix)"

>Lush              LUSH 3     12" promo for BAD 4008/4011
>                  (1: desirelines 2: lovelife (suga bullit remix))

There is also a UK CD promo for "Split."  The cat. no. is CAD P 4011 CD.  It
contains the entire album.

>Newman, Colin     CN 1        5" CD freebie with CAD 108/201 CD
>3000              (we means we starts/not to/you and your dog/h.c.t.f.r/
>                   no doubt/the grace you know)
>
>Pale Saints        PS 1       12" promo for BAD 1009
>                  (porpoise (both sides))
>
>Pale Saints        PS 2 CD     5" promo for CAD 2004
>                  (throwing back the apple/featherframe/baby maker/a thousand
>                  stars burst open)
>
>Pale Saints        RIB 1       7" freebie with initial CAD 2004
>                  (1: a thousand stars burst open 2: a revelation (both tracks
>                   performed by the tintwistle brass band))

There is also a UK promo CD for "Slow Buildings."  Cat. no. CAD 4014 CD.  It
contains the entire album

>Pixies             PIX 1      12" promo for CAD 905 (one sided)
>3000              (debaser/wave of mutilation/i bleed/gouge away)
>
>Pixies             PIX 2      12" promo for BAD 909 (one sided)
>                  (into the white/wave of mutilation(UK surf))
>
>Pixies             PIX 3      12" promo for CAD 0010 (one sided)
>                  (allison/rock music/down to the wall/the happening)
>
>Pixies             PIX 4      10" promo for CAD 1014
>                  (u-mass/letter to memphis/subbacultcha (both sides))

I remember seeing a UK 12" promo for "Planet of Sound," but have no details.

>Red House Painters RHP 1 CD    5" CD promo for CAD
>                  (i am a rock/new jersey)

Someone (Theo, I think) told me that there was a cassette promo for
"Filigree And Shadow."  The cat. no. is TAPE 1.

>This Mortal Coil   TMC 1 CD    5" CD promo for DAD 1005
>                  (late night/you and your sister/i come and stand at every
>                   door/with tomorrow)
>
>Throwing Muses     MUSE 1     12" promo for CAD 1002
>                  (A: counting backwards/say goodbye B: hook in her head)
>
>Throwing Muses     MUSE 2     12" promo for BAD 2012/CAD 2013
>                  (A: firepile/manic depression B: jak/rosetta stone)
>
>Ultra Vivid Scene  AD 908      7" mail order freebie, with postcard
>                  (A: something to eat AA: h like in heaven)

Postcard?  Postcard?  What postcard!  Tell me about it, please.  Mine
doesn't have one!

>Ultra Vivid Scene  UVS 1      12" promo for BAD 0004
>                  (A: staring at the sun B: three stars)
>
>Ultra Vivid Scene  UVS 2      12" promo for CAD 2017 (one sided)
>                  (1: medicating angels/mirror to mirror)
>
>Voix Bulgares             AD 603      7" promo for CAD 603
>500               (A: pritouritze planinata B: polegnala e todora)
>

There is also a UK 12" promo for "King of Soul."  The cat. no. is, I think,
BAD 804.

>The Wolfgang Press TWP 1      12" promo for BAD 1003
>                  (A: time B: time)
>
>The Wolfgang Press TWP 2      12" promo for BAD 1007
>                  (A: mama B: mama)
>
>The Wolfgang Press TWP 3      12" freebie with initial CAD 1011
>                  (A: sucker B: mama (both martyn young remixes))
>
>The Wolfgang Press TWP 4      12" promo "Remixes Number One" for
>                  (A: going south;440 mix/christianity;sherwwod mix AA:
>                   11 years;sabres main mix 2)

There is a UK promo CD for "Funky Little Demons."  It contains the entire
album and it's cat. no. is CAD P 4016 CD.

>Various                   LILIPUT 1  2 x CD promo booklet
>                  LILIPUT 2
>                  (dark entries/controversial subject/nick the stripper/
>                   i melt with you/song to the siren/incubus succubusII/
>                   the spangle maker/stranger/baby,i love you so/hate my way/
>                   no motion/pump up the volume/mercy seat/the host of
>                   seraphim/monkey gone to heaven/de-luxe)

There was also a US promo video called "4AD Video Collection 92," but I
don't know anything else.

>Various                   mai pen rai  ???  what is the catalogue number???

There are eight (?) different colors for this.  Each has the same cat. no.,
which is PRO-CD-6055.  It is US.

>Various                   13 year itch ???  what is the catalogue number??

The cat. no. is SHUFFLE.  The video also has the same cat. no.

>Various            AVAM      5" CDigi promoting All Virgos Are Mad
>                  (can't be bothered to type out yet!!)
>
>+------------------------------------------+----------------------------------+
>|              Andrew Wappat               |   "..spitting out feathers,      |
>|     e-mail: [email protected]      |      spitting out oar-blades.."  !
>+------------------------------------------+----------------------------------+

A note, 4AD has gotten really confusing with promos lately, what with their
US/UK stuff.  Most of the recent albums have been released as a promo CD in
a white and orange slip case only and others have been released as the
regular CD with a "promo" sticker.  The recent singles are usually released
as promo CDs that also do not differ from the regular one except for the
sticker.  I personally don't count these as "real" promos.  To make matters
even more confusing, sometimes 4AD gets really diabolical and releases 2
promo versions.  See, the white and orange slipcase promos usually have
different artwork on the CD from the regular version.  What they do is then
take some of these CDs and put them in the regular jewel case.  I've seen
this for both PALE SAINTS and DEAD CAN DANCE.  I don't count these either.

I hope this helps.  Enjoy!  And Andrew, sorry I couldn't get back to you or
respond to you directly.

-- Jeff

Jeffrey T. Gayton
[email protected]

Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 13:06:23 MDT
From: [email protected]
Subject: My other helium question


Last quick question re:  Helium (thanks for the info, but I am also
lacking a device to translate messages encrypted on vinyl)

Does anyone know/remember which video they released?   I happened to see it on
an episode of Beavis and Butthead.  Butthead said something to the effect that
Mary looked like she "wanted some."  Yay.

b

Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 18:01:08 EST
From: Matt Krom ([email protected])
Subject: Re: House tornado


>BTW, is there any track on University that *doesn't* mention water?  Did
>Kristin write these songs in the bath tub or something?

That's like asking if there are any tracks on their self-titled which don't
include kitchens :)

-Matt
[email protected]


Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 17:18:26 -0500
From: [email protected]
Subject: Massive (Attack)


I asked this before, and if anyone responded, I missed it.  Can anyone tell
me what Massive/Massive Attack is/are like?  I've heard that they might be
right up my alley (at least the alley I've been walking along recently).
I've heard them compared to Portished and Scorn.  I love both of these
bands, so would I like Massive?  Thanks.

-- Jeff

Jeffrey T. Gayton
[email protected]

Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 17:25:07 -0500
From: [email protected]
Subject: Earwig


Can anyone out there help me find a copy of Earwig's compilation CD "Past"?
I can't find it anywhere.  I did see it offered by some expensive European
import places, but didn't care to shell out $30 for it.  I have "Under My
Skin I Am Laughing" CD on domestic (US).  Hasn't "Past" also been released
in the US?  Help!  Thanks.

-- Jeff

Jeffrey T. Gayton
[email protected]

Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 19:46:02 EST
From: D Andrew Reynhout ([email protected])
Subject: Re: House tornado


> I think I know why some people have said that the new Throwing
> Muses material reminds them of House Tornado.  First of all, it's
> really good!  Also, "Bright Yellow Gun" has the same feel for me as
> "Juno", probably especially because of David's playing...

   _University_ reminds me of _Red_Heaven_, with a few elements of
_The_Real_Ramona_ and _Hips_and_Makers_.  No surprises.

   I *wish* it reminded me of _House_Tornado_, though.  Does that
count?

   They played acoustic Monday on WFNX (local KROQ-equiv).  "Bright
Yellow Gun" and "Hazing."  Typical interviewer asking all the same
questions.  At least he left the Belly thing alone.  Kristin made a
point of saying that she and Dave didn't live in Boston.  That made
me happy -- All of the newspapers and radio station up here claim that
Throwing Muses are from Boston.  They are, of course, from Newport
Rhode Island.  We (ex-)Rhode Islanders don't have much to be proud of.
We have to stand up for ourselves and reclaim Throwing Muses as our
own.  ;-)

   The songs sounded surprisingly good, given WFNX's usual
"live-in-studio with one microphone" approach.

   I really do like the new record.  It took awhile to grow on me
(got the advance from a friend a few weeks ago,) and it's not going
to change my world like the first four releases did, but it's a
good solid record with a few great songs ("Snakeface" and "Crabtown"
especially.)
   At least she didn't feel a need to include another prominent
vocalist on this one.  She's much better all alone.  Bob and Mike
crowded her out, kinda like that Hope Sandoval / J&MChain thing.
She does do more multi-tracked vocals than usual.

   I still miss Tanya.

(Overheard in a record store a few days ago:
female #1: "did you know that Kristin Hersh and Tanya Donelly from Belly
            are sisters?"  (sic)
female #2: "yeah, I read that somewhere."
female #1: "wouldn't it be cool if they were in a band together??"

Truth is stranger than fiction... :-)

Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 19:45:49 -0600
From: Sanz ([email protected])
Subject: VERY LONG Muses Interview Pt2

              SUBBACULTCHA ,
              4AD reording artists list <[email protected]>

Here's the conclusion of the interview.
----------------

make a cool t-shirt. [Laughs] It does make a really good=20
bumper sticker. But we didn't really mean college; we meant=20
universe-ness. We thought it was kind of a psychedelic=20
record.
sixties things?
don't have any idea what we're doing until we hear it later.=20
We just know that we want to be excited all the time and we=20
never want to lie. So often we'll just trust other people to=20
be better listeners. I consider sixties music to be like my=20
Dad's music, which is like a highball to me; I couldn't order=20
one.=20
We always just consider ourselves lucky if we come up with a=20
workable title that doesn=D5t offend anyone. Titling a record=20
is an artificial and pretentious thing to do. You either make=20
it so stupid that you seem like you're part of an inside joke=20
or you make it really poetic and then it's pretentious.=20
There's no way to do it right, so we were lucky to have a=20
title track that had none of us on it, just the babies=20
playing in the studio and that=D5s where you find the universe=20
in babies playing in teeny tracks on a record so we were very=20
lucky in that. [Laughs]

other interviews that songs just come to you in a way. Do you=20
wake up in the middle of the night and there it is or are you=20
in the studio; is it a lot like channeling?
that word in public. I thought I was hallucinating, maybe I=20
am hallucinating, when I was younger. And I've been=20
prescribed many drugs to shut them up, but they don=D5t really=20
shut up. I can get to the point where I stop hearing them,=20
but they get stuck in other parts of my body. I used to get=20
them stuck in my left leg; it would twist up all crazy when=20
we were playing. It was like the songs were just jumping out=20
of my left shin and I just felt out of my mind my whole life=20
because of that.
[My left leg is] the only part that=D5s ever been hurt badly;=20
it was broken in half. When I was 16, I was in a car accident=20
and I lifted my leg up & the foot was gone. There was a break=20
half way down my shin. I found it [the foot] under my leg and=20
put it back on. It healed and I had just a broken leg, but it=20
broke off. I was in a wheelchair. What happened to my face=20
was worse. I slid on my face for 20 feet or so; I didn=D5t have=20
any features left. Very dramatic.
marigold flowers.

[We were interrupted my another interview coming in, so I ask=20
a few final questions]
genderless approach of the Muses?
movement in songs, maybe even sporadic instrumentation.=20
Things that sound crazy when you compare them to=20
straightforward pop structures, which are all very solid very=20
groove oriented. You should have a combination of both those=20
things. The Raincoats are the ultimate in feminine,. Maybe=20
the Velvet Underground, REM has done a lot in that way. But=20
for the most part people are very balanced in their approach.=20
When you=D5re talking about radio friendly rock a lot of that=20
just sounds like jingles. It's not smart to lean on any=20
overly masculine approach right now; it=D5s just boring. I find=20
men to be a little more capable of a feminine approach,=20
because they=D5re not told that there is anything wrong with=20
it. Women learn to shut it up in any venue. So they often=20
write straightforward pop songs that wind up are really=20
boring really predictable and don't how to use anything that=20
might make them sound crazy or deviant.
thinking that they have to compete with this masculine thing?=20
get played on the radio if you don't.=20


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Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 22:04:06 +0000
From: "K. Bruner" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: House tornado


Matt Krom  writes:

>I think I know why some people have said that the new Throwing
>Muses material reminds them of House Tornado.  First of all, it's
>really good!  Also, "Bright Yellow Gun" has the same feel for me as
>"Juno", probably especially because of David's playing...

Yes, it is good.  I've only listened to it one and a half times, but
there wasn't a track I didn't like!  It's also different from House
Tornado in that the songs vary stylistically more than HT, which is not
to say that HT is monotonous, just that the songs are more consistent and
similar in tone.

BTW, is there any track on University that *doesn't* mention water?  Did
Kristin write these songs in the bath tub or something?


The Official Great Goddess To Whom You Do Beg of Dogbert's New Ruling Class
--
        eyes, you have lovely hair.''   --Anton Chekhov


Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 16:54:53 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * ([email protected])
Subject: Re: DCD in movie preview


> I haven't had time to identify the title and album yet, but I recognized
> a track from one of the older DCD albums in a preview for Clive Barker's
> movie, "Lord of Illusions."  They seem to be popping up everywhere these
> days. :)

  i was watching one of those entertainment news shows {i think it may
  have been Extra} and while clive barker {koolio writer extraordinaire}
  was being interviewed, the background music for the piece was 'rakim'...

  *k*

Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 21:46:07 EST
From: "ISAACC'S GHOST" ([email protected])
Subject: zines, strings


mags - check put The Big Takeover - issue 36 - excellent
interviews with lush and our buddy kristin... intelligent
questions and interviewers who don't blather on and on...
mailing address for you poor souls disconnected from
  rodent productions 249 eldridge st number 14 ny, ny 10002

so why does "it sucks" get flamed but "for those who like
muzak" does not (nobody loves....)


so what does a listy listen to when all is going to hell?
when livonia is nothing but a bad hair day? ***it's me, not
the muse-ik*** the only thing possible - Kronos' Black
Angels - a massive prelude then dear shostakovitch - the
ultimate unsigned 4ad artist...

SED **** isaac prefers mozart to shosty, pale saints to hnia

Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 19:43:58 -0600
From: Sanz ([email protected])
Subject: VERY LONG Muses Int.Pt1

              SUBBACULTCHA ,
              4AD reording artists list <[email protected]>

Hi All,

Here's the Kristin Hersh interview I had mentioned earlier. I only had 25=
=20
minutes, but I think we covered a lot of ground. I didn't get to use=20
many of the questions you submitted, because of time limitation, but=20
thanks to those who provided input.

This version is for the March issue of Subnation, there are a couple more=
=20
things that Kristin spoke about & I post those later this week. It wasn't=
=20
one of my better interviews, but Kristin was GREAT, very=20
charming & chatty.

bye,
Sanz

---------------------
At the age of 14 when most people are coping with adolescent crushes,
Kristin Hersh formed Throwing Muses in order to cope with the maddening
voices and hallucinatory images inside her head. In 1985, Throwing Muses
became the first American band to sign to Britain=D5s 4AD label and they
dazzled fans & critics alike with what Kristin described as =D2hardcore
country" on their raw & witchy self-title debut. The band went on to
release 4 more album each charaterized by Kristin's unique vocal style of
trademark glossolalian shrieks, her increasingly more accomplished guitar
work, and the often harrowing inensity of her emotional imagery.=20
Throughout out their history, the band has been plagued with line-up
changes (a revolving door policy on bassists), but the departure of
guitarist/vocalist Tanya Donnelly (Kristin=D5s half-sister) in 1991 was the
bggest shake-up. Kristin bounced back from Tanya's departure with a
remarkable solo acoustic album "Hips & Makers" and an extensive solo tour,
which left many confused about the future of the band. Now Throwing Muses
have released their 6th album and we find that there was absolutely
nothing to fear; "University" is a sublime and slow burning charmer. With
this release the band seems to have transcended some of the kitchen sink
aspects of previous efforts and have taken a subtler approach while
retaining the feverish essence that has always been present in Throwing
Muses' output. The current Muses line-up, consisting of singer/guitarist
Hersh, drummer David Narcizo (the only other original member), and bassist
Bernard Georges (a former roadie), had just returned from shooting a 2nd
video for =D2BrightY ellow Gun=D3 (the first single) when I had the
conversation with Kristin that is excerpted here.=20

surprised that there is a new Throwing Muses release. What do=20
you get out if the Throwing Muses that you didn't get out of=20
performing solo? Is it a completely different sort of feel=20
for you?

put acoustic songs down for my husband & I guess the kids=D1if they grow up
and care enough. And that tape, I believe, we gave to my manager, down in
Athens Michael Stipe got one, and Ivo, the president of 4AD; they
convinced me to put it out. So I didn't take it seriously until it already
released & I found out I was doing more promo than I ever have & that I
was going to have to tour all by myself. So by that time the Muses record
was already done & it=D5s not like having hit records has ever really been =
a
focus obviously I'd be in a different band. Now I'm getting back to work
at my "real job."=20

point? Did you like that experience?

guitar itself. Its capable of a lot of power and delicacy=20
which is really rare in an instrument that you can play &=20
sing at the same time. I expect those songs to keep coming=20
that need that kind of a picture. They are different from=20
electric songs; they deal with literally a personality=D1people=20
with needs, baby life, coffee & cars. At least my electric=20
songs are a lot more internal=C9or external =C9I=D5ll never really=20
know, but they're somehow grander, more mythical than coffee=20
& cars, which are mythical in their own right or getting to=20
be. [laughs]
With the band that delicacy is a character instead of a=20
timbre of a voice, if you know what I mean. The character of=20
a song is almost like a certain turn & that's where it=20
becomes soft & sweet, but It can never really approach=20
putting all the dimensions of a song into just somebody's=20
neck, 5 strings, muscle & some air. It's a very different=20
thing.

in the band?
be friends. We=D5re bringing the guy who painted my house on=20
the road with us, because we like him. I=D5m trying to teach=20
him how to play keyboards. [Laughs]
Bernard is an excellent bass player. I thought that we would=20
give up either tightness or melodic creativity=C9that I=D5d=20
either have to start to writing the bass lines or I=D5d have to=20
start playing them in the studio, one or the other, and we=20
didn=D5t give up either. This was his first time in the studio=20
every now & then he'd loose it & go "Kris just play this."=20
'Cause it's a hard thing to get used to. We don=D5t really like=20
to play with a click=C9sometimes you have to get a new song=20
approach. It's hard to get used to, using this weird kind of=20
musical ESP to know exactly when the next snare hit is going=20
to be and you start to get all mixed up & confused if you're=20
not getting into the flow. We made him play upright bass,=20
sometimes acoustic & fretless, so he was a little=20
overwhelmed.

back-up vocals on "Snakeface"?
[Tanya Donnelly] do it all the time and she=D5d make me do it=20
on her songs. I=D5d kind of pout the whole time and she'd go=20
[said in a high pitched girlie voice] "No it sounds great!=20
You sound like Lou Reed." And I'd say "Oh shut up." [Tanya:]=20
"No that's cool." It's just lame. I just feel so...like I'm not=20
a real singer or something. If I'm really singing, if a song=20
is singing out of my neck working itself, I have amazing lung=20
power. I sing louder that anyone in the business; I've blown=20
more mics & speakers than anyone.
away from the mic?!
impossible to record me, because I'm too loud and I can't=20
sing quieter if it's not a quiet part. I drive [engineers]=20
literally crazy. Plus the dynamics alone, I go from=20
whispering to that. It drives everyone batty. That's fine; I=20
can sing perfectly. I can do all these vocal tricks that I=20
didn=D5t even know were happening and the minute I'm not=20
singing a song I'm just a retard. I mean it's a silly job to=20
be singing; people don=D5t even want to be heard singing in the=20
shower; it just seems so goofy. But I can=D5t do [sing back-=20
up], so Trina was like "Try this melody." And I was like "Try=20
this one." and then she just sang that one it and I was like=20
"Well that sounds good; let's keep that!" And she was like=20
"Well, no I got a Chicago accent!" [Kristin:] "Ah nobody'll=20
notice." So she tried to imitate me and she can do it! Sorta=20
imitated my voice but with a Chicago accent; she couldn't=20
drop her accent.


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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 12:35:37 --9-30
From: [email protected]
Subject: King Of Sweet cd for trade


I am interested in trading my King Of Sweet cd for any of the
following on cd :

Belly - Star ltd edition
Lush - Spooky ltd edition
Galaxie 500 - Today or Blue Thunder EP
Pale Saints - Mrs Dolphin
1987 Japanese 4AD EP's compilation



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