Subject: Re: Volume 3
Subject: Re: DCD-Lives apart?/Shit stirring/alt.gothic
Subject: Re: fsa discog??
Subject: Review of Lisa Germano/Pale saints (long)
Subject: Suggestions wanted
Subject: Swervedriver
Subject: Dirt eaters (was) RE: sorry :)
Subject: Info on TMC Box Set ??? / News alt.music.4ad
Subject: Re: Swervedriver
Subject: Re: FSOL's email address?
Subject: Re: Suggestions wanted
Subject: Re: Suggestions wanted
Subject: Re: Dirt eaters (was) RE: sorry :)
Subject: Re: depressing stuff
Subject: Re: Suggestions wanted
Subject: Re: depressing stuff
Subject: Lyrics to HNIA "Library Girl"
Subject: SUGGESTIONS WANTED
Subject: Re: Suggestions wanted (meee too)
Subject: Re: Suggestions wanted (meee too)
Subject: Bryan Ferry
Subject: 4ad related WWW-servers
Subject: Digest #18
Subject: EARWIG's "Underneath My Skin I Am Laughing" and "Past"
Subject: no hope....?
Subject: Re: Swervedriver
Subject: Re: Toward the Within/NYC (angelica theater)
Subject: Re: WEEZER/sitcoms
Subject: Re: Suggestions wanted
Subject: Re: Suggestions wanted (meee too)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 08:21:15 RSA
17 Nov 1994 08:56:05 +0000 from Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 02:00:00 LCL
>Regarding the dcd-lives apart thing...You know as much as or more than
>i do....but have you ever seen pictures of that part of Ireland? does
>anyone know if Brendan is Australian or Irish...i can't tell. Yes,
etc...
I heard there is also a connection between the Australian group on
Projekt, Eden; something like they used to be part of DCD? Then
there is also a connection between Eden, Stoa and Soma I think.
If all of the above is true could somebody with more info draw up a
"family tree" showing where all the members belong and went to.
people personally, those who got heated concerning the one liners
last friday (and the friday before that) must try and differentiate
between unsubstantiated hate-mail concerning a group and jesting.
When Theo said that CT's sound "like a cat being buggered in a funeral
parlour" I had a good laugh. We all know that CT's are the complete
antithesis of that! btw. Watt's response to the incident, concerning
throwing Theo off the list was a jesting one. Those who have been on
the list for a while know that these two are good pals. These two
wingnuts have been collecting and been besotted with 4AD just after
the label was established at the beginning of the 80's. The only
reason they posted the messages was to bring a smile to people's faces
when things become a bit boring here. I don't mind one line responses
as long as it does not get out of control and carry on for a whole
day. What takes longer for your computer to process, a humorous 1
liner are somebody who does not edit down the message he/she is
responding to and still includes a long uninteresting sig?
Keep well,
Neil
PS. (not-this-listy-stuff) we have been receiving a severeley
truncated NetNews service for the past four months. Last week things
returned to normal. When reading alt.gothic i could not believe it
when i saw people still discussing "am I gothic", "is this food
gothic", "it is gothic to be morbid" etc. hahahahaha. If the
message is still on the bulletin board ppl should read Petro's "MFAQ"
response to this bullshit-well written.
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 09:20:31 +0000
94 08:46:34 pm
John Nguyen Van Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 02:57:57 -0800
Dear List,
Ok, it's time for another in my series of spontaneous and hastily
written concert reviews. This time it was the 11/17/94 concert of the
Pale saints w/ Lisa Germano with local acts Jessamine opening here in
sunny tropical Seattle, Washington. As usual I will be very opinionated
while attempting to remain fair (hardly...) which will make the review
more fun (if not controversial) :)
Let me note first that I ran into two other 4ad-list members at
the show who were really nice. They weren't even insane! You should
venture out to meet up with your fellow list-folk.
Ok, where to begin, oh yes, the start of the show. JESSAMINE was
actually fairly interesting. Everyone I was with heard different
influences in their sound so I'll spit them all out in a run on
sentence. Moody, Doors meets lush meets sonic youth meets early 80's
synthy, feedback, pretty vocals song waifily (?) conterpointed by
stronger male vocals song clumsily, no strong songs but
good music if you were messed up on copious amounts of silly green stuff
(which we were not).
Then came LISA GERMANO, a person whose concert reviews I have
been steadfastily avoiding on this list so I wouldn't form a opinion
before the show. I have never really heard I note she's played before
tonight I believe. I vaguely remember some of y'all trashing her in
another review. Well, guess what...I completely think you are wrong.
She was by far the highlight of the night and perhaps one of the best
shows I have seen in many months. First of all, she's a great
songwriter, 2nd she's a GREAT singer recalling a more organic and
believable Jane Siberry but more touching and real. 3rd, her band rocked,
especially this amazing lead guitar player playing a Gretch duo-jet (my
favorite guitar ever) with the most perfect washes of silky feedback and
twang heard in some time. Lisa played at times harder rockin' stuff, at
times sparse solo numbers, self-effacing lyrics, strong passionate
lyrics, stream of conscioussness followed by well thought out simple
lyrics. And, did I mention it rocked? I love it when slow pretty songs
make you headbang with their intensity. thumbs up. I can't imagine the
album would be nearly as good. I enjoyed the sloppiness and energy live.
And, to top it all off...she was downright likeable as a person too on stage.
Next, the PALE SAINTS. First of all, why is it always
someone's birthday in these bands from england? I don't believe it
for a minute. When I saw the Sundays, it was someone's birthday. When I
saw Duran Duran twice when I was 15, it was someone's birthday 2 times!
When I saw another english band in town a few weeks ago, it was their
birthday too. What gives? Are People in England born more often than us
here in America?
And, what's with all the condescending comments like "your not
making enough noise" and "you were simply smashing." When I was young, I
though British accents were the sexiest things around regardless of what
they were saying. The thing is you need only change the inflection
marginally and it can sound contemptuously condescending.
Musically speaking, they were erratic. At times they hit stride
and really rocked things up. Much heavier than on at least their first
record. Mostly, the vocals were weak though unless she was belting a line.
Most songs just slipped by in a wall of over-effected guitar wash to be
forgotten seconds later. I really liked the songs on In-Ribbons with just
her singing so I wasn't crushed by the departure of the male voice. In
fact I really liked the harmonies with their innovative bassist (she
wrote cool lines in other words). They did sound curiously like LUSH and
the CRANBERRIES (3 of us thought so...) though.
The bassist did, as my freind pointed out, look an awful lot like
Mary Poppins. And their main singer moves like complete nerd.
It's like she had little neon foot diagrams on stage telling her when to
dip and slide. Their lead guitar playing guy did put his all into his Jesus
and Mary chain style two chord moshing and 3 note solos. It was funny to
see so much posturing with so little actual guitar playing but he
couldn't have been aloof or pretentious if he tried...he was too
endearingly nerdy in a 13 year old way. He did play through a Marshall
stack though with a procession of the most expensive guitars seen in years.
Couple that with TWO roland multi-effects boxes and you have the makings
of a truly piercing mess of guitar. In fact, he needed merely step on
his pedal and eardrums in the first 7 rows seperated immediately and were
hurled across the room at nearby bartenders. For those of you not
familiar with standing right in front of a marshall, it sounds like a
circular saw cutting cement and bone but louder than a 747. That's why
bon jovi plays through 4 of them on stage. I regretted god giving me
ears at times during those breaks.
Overall, for the Pale saints...I didn't buy it. Ok, if you could
ignore the sheer fakeness of it all (did I mention it pisses me off when
the guitar tech starts to tune guitars onstage seconds after the last
chord dies in anticipation of a encore?) Did I mention how everything
out of their mouths sounded like it had been planned two tours ago?
These guys have tour buses and it shows... LISA GERMANO was great though
and that more than made up for the price of admission. I'm curious
about her record now (hmmm...)
BY the way, I taped the whole show onto DAT, email me for a copy
was more fun to write that way :)
Brandon Milner
[email protected]
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:49:51 -0500
Dear kids,
I want suggestions for the darkest, most miserably depressing music
available. So far, every so-called "depressing" band I have heard has
done nothing at all for me. Lyrics really don't matter, as long as the
music is right.
The closest thing I can come to is maybe a song or two by Lycia (Grenada).
"On The Cross" by Front Line Assembly is another one. But even those are
not enough.
aLFRED dOUGLAS, you might as well not even try, since you failed
miserably the last time.
-jOHN
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 12:54:23 -0500
I anyone on this list Knows anything about what the Swervies are doing right
now, please e-mail me back.
AND...
If anyone has lyrics to any of their releases...
I don't know how to access ftp sites... usually good 'ol aLFRED dOUGLAS does
it for me... He's a good lad.
But anyways, please mail 'em my way.
Oh yeah, does anyone have the limited 7" for zephyr man?
Does anyone else on this list even like Swervedriver?
-jOHN
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 13:12:51 -0500
In message Thu, 17 Nov 1994 12:18:39 -0500,
Robogirl
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 14:25:34 +0100
Hello. I'm sure many of you have the TMC box set, and I wouldlike
to know how is the booklet and artwork insides: do the CDs have
the same artwork?
I've got the 3 Cds, but in bad state, and I think to buy the box set...
An info for those who have a news access (not me, I'm for 6 months in
Poland, and it's impossible to have news, to do ftp... and to find
the new Cranes...): I heard about a new newsgroup called...
ALT.MUSIC.4AD
'Je passe mon temps a l'obscurcir parce que la lumiere me gene.'
(Boris Vian)
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Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 00:05:42 +0800
at Nov 17, 94 12:54:23 pm
jOHN yOCHIM wrote:
>
> Does anyone else on this list even like Swervedriver?
>
Ive only got Mescal Head, but I love it! Anyone got a discography?
Nick It was all whirlwind, heat, and flash. Within a week we
Fitton \ killed my parents and hit the road - Sonic Youth
- - - - - -
[email protected] http://artemis.earth.monash.edu.au:8080/People/nick/
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 11:13:34 -0400
SHITSTIRRER #2378 WRITES:
>I cant believe the list is back onto this goddamn MBV/Project stuff/sounds-like
>rip-off debate.
>
>It is uncool to be cool
>HOTE
>
>QUIT
DEAR MORON,
WHAT IS EXACTLY THE PROBLEM WITH PROJEKT'S MUSIC? PROJEKT DOES NOT, DID NOT
AND WILL NOT RIP OFF ANYONE. SO SOD OFF!!
ALFRED DOUGLAS.
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 11:46:18 -0400
jOHN's Dribblings:
>
>Dear kids,
> I want suggestions for the darkest, most miserably depressing music
>available. So far, every so-called "depressing" band I have heard has
>done nothing at all for me. Lyrics really don't matter, as long as the
>music is right.
>The closest thing I can come to is maybe a song or two by Lycia (Grenada).
>"On The Cross" by Front Line Assembly is another one. But even those are
>not enough.
>aLFRED dOUGLAS, you might as well not even try, since you failed
>miserably the last time.
>
> -jOHN
jOHN,
Try a cd called the Karmak Collection on the Cold Meat Industry lable. It is
really dark!! Actually, the best song consists of droning deep tones and chains
clanging with this monotone chant of "Jesus lord of lepers, Jesus lord ofbut
what do you know, you like Weezer!! he he he he.
See you saturday,
Alfred Douglas.
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 17:51:46 +0100
On Fri, 18 Nov 1994, aLFRED dOUGLAS wrote:
> jOHN's Dribblings:
>
> >
> >Dear kids,
> > I want suggestions for the darkest, most miserably depressing music
> >available. So far, every so-called "depressing" band I have heard has
> >done nothing at all for me. Lyrics really don't matter, as long as the
> >music is right.
> >The closest thing I can come to is maybe a song or two by Lycia (Grenada).
> >"On The Cross" by Front Line Assembly is another one. But even those are
> >not enough.
> >aLFRED dOUGLAS, you might as well not even try, since you failed
> >miserably the last time.
> >
> > -jOHN
>
>
> jOHN,
>
> Try a cd called the Karmak Collection on the Cold Meat Industry lable. It is
> really dark!! Actually, the best song consists of droning deep tones and chain
> clanging with this monotone chant of "Jesus lord of lepers, Jesus lord ofbut
> what do you know, you like Weezer!! he he he he.
>
> See you saturday,
>
> Alfred Douglas.
>
I agree, the karmanik collection is the definition of depressive music.
/ Mathias
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 09:01:56 -0800
the ep isn't rare, just an import...
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 16:56:17 +0000
94 11:46:18 am
God's "The Anatomy of Addiction" isn't exactly a bundle of laughs...
79 minutes of vomit inducing earth rumbling churnings, TERRIBLE!
Actually, it depends on what you call "depressing music". Kristin Hersh always
said that "bad" music depressed her because it wasn't honest, so I guess you
could say that music and bands that are manipulated/conceived just for the
purpose of the charts are depressing. Therefore, it could be argued that
Whigfield's "Saturday Night" is depressing...
Gillian (she IS going to win the National Lottery!)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 11:19:20 -0600
Try Swans for depressing music. My favorite song of theirs, "In My Garden,"
has the main verse:
"Things grow in my garden
Things grow in my garden
Things grow in my garden
And then...they DIE!"
And then there's all those lyrics about starving slaves...
Literati
____
// \\ () I'll be told that I'm grown when I turn twenty-one
\_/ // () But I won't really feel it
// So I'll dress up in black and be melodramatic
/ [email protected]
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 09:24:11 -0800
it all depends on who is doing the listening...
...and how you interpret the music being listened to
red house painters 1st s/t
hnia 'home is in your head'
tmc 'filigree and shadow ' & 'blood'
dcd s/t
joy division 'closer'
the cure 'faith' & 'pornography'
pink floyd
skinny puppy 'mind: the perpetual intercourse'
that's just for starters. basically, it really is how you perceive
the music. i don't think any one of these records is bad, and most of
the time i don't think these records as dark or depressing.
my mom thinks that everything i listen to is dark and depressing, so
maybe i should list my entire record collection if that's true...
anyway, light some candles, turn off the lights, lay on your bed, and
listen...
*k-j* & ninja kitty, currently staring up at me from my lap as if
to say "stop typing and rub my head this instant!"
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 12:31:05 -0500
Hello list....
In reviewing the lyrics posted here sometime a week or so ago for the
above-referenced song, I experienced a moment of clarity.
In the section of the song where she's singing:
When you're feelin' kinda blue
Do not know what ailin' you
Get a ____ ____ from the store
Then you'll have the blues no more
I've got your ice cold _____ ______.... etc.
I saw a couple of translations of the two words in question. One person said
it was "grade" and a few others said it was "grape". I am pretty sure that
the words are N"NE U GRAPRE E E". Nu Grape is a brand of grape-flavored soda
pop.
Maybe they got the lyrics from some old commercial jingle or print ad.
Anyway, I'm sure most of you are breathing a sigh of relief right now. :)
Glad I could help.
Mike
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 13:00:06 -0500
> From: jOHN yOCHIM
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 10:32:18 -0800
How about something slow, nice, clean, slightly kooky, not too engaging,
with cute vocals? I thumb through my cd collection every night before
going to bed, looking for something pleasant & mellow to listen to - but I
can't find anything! Ugh! You know, I need something to fall asleep to
- but it has to be *good*.
Suggestions!?
Thanks?!
[email protected]
"He who clearly apprehends the scheme of existence does not rejoice over
life, nor repine at death; for he knows that external limits are not final."
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 10:51:44 -0800
> How about something slow, nice, clean, slightly kooky, not too engaging,
> with cute vocals? I thumb through my cd collection every night before
> going to bed, looking for something pleasant & mellow to listen to - but I
> can't find anything! Ugh! You know, I need something to fall asleep to
> - but it has to be *good*.
back when i would put on music to fall asleep to, slowdive's eps
and 'just for a day' worked for me. so did the cure's 'faith'.
i guess there's a lot of ambient techno out there that's good for
slumber...and ct's 'victorialand'...i suppose insides are ok, too...
i happen to think that dcd's self titled release is good for just
about everything...from cleaning the house background music to
sleepytime music to deep thought depression music and so on...
*k-j* ...it's freezing..it must be, like, 68 degrees out... ;)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 08:25:37 -0800
>
> This has been a big week of concerts in Chicago for me,... Of
>course, the Bryan Ferry show I saw last night (front row, haha!) was
>the best of the bunch, but y'all are probably more interested in the
>others I'm sure.
Um, maybe not! I am dying to see Bryan. Is he touring? Does anyone have
a tour schedule? Please???
--michael
--callahan%[email protected]
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 17:52:35 +0000
Hi all,
We're building a WWW server for the Play It Again Sam recordlabel right now.
I want to include a list of hotkeys to 4AD related WWW-servers / homepages.
I do have the addresses of:
Dead Can Dance - http://www.nets.com/dcd
Eyesore Database - http://isvpc146.isv.uit.no
But there must be servers on:
Birthday Party
Breeders
Cocteau Twins
of whom I don't have the addresses; probably you do know more!
Please e-mail me your information, then I'll compile it into a handsome list
and distribute it on this 4AD-L.
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 15:23:52 -0500
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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 22:24:51 -0800 (PST)
***!**!**!**!**!**!**!**! DOG FACED HERMANS !**!**!**!**!**!**!**!**!**!
As you already know, this tour was their last. And the tour wound up
here in San Francisco. Ironically, when they played here last year
I got the impression they were a bit miffed by the low-key reception
(playing tiny clubs like the Chameleon and Epicenter, with mediocre
bands-- very different from what they were used to in Europe). But
they seemed pleased as punch to be here this time, so maybe I
misunderstood.
And because the hardest thing in the world for me to do is to write a
review of a truly masterful band, I avoided seeing them this time.
I've talked to others who saw them this week, and added that to my
review.
I did not go to:
**Friday- the penultimate show @ Great American Music Hall
**Saturday- the LAST show ever at House of Joy
but I did wind up at:
**Tuesday- the LAST show ever at the Chameleon
The line-up is your standard guitar, bass, drums- and then the
sweetest looking woman you've ever seen playing trumpet, singing,
howling, playing various homemade percussion objects, and doing
interpretational dance. Each move she makes, even just reaching for
instrument is full of purpose and part of the artistic integrity of
the whole show. They are famous for throwing an Ornette Coleman
song into the set, but they've also touched on almost-forgotten
traditional European songs and other stuff that I know even less
about. Each one is talented and fun to watch. I wound up watching
the bass player for a long time (so did I). Each one is a total
master of what they are doing. Great, cool, LAYERING. Energetic,
vital.
It was more fun to see them in a cozy setting like the Chameleon
where you felt like you were privy to a secret band that was great
beyond your wildest expectation. The House of Joy show was
unbearable if you were trying to watch the band but if you were in
the back dancing like you didn't give a fuck what anyone else was up
to it was amazing. The band played alot of new material at the
Great American Music Hall, and frankly the new stuff isn't as
exciting as the old material.
Personally I'm disappointed they've quit now, right when they're just
about to become huge. I'd be pleased to see the DogFaced Hermans
become the next big thing... but my friends counter that it is
perfect for them to quit now before they become major label fodder,
diluted and misunderstood.
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 15:33:07 -0500
I just wanted to let you INSIDES fans out there know that their previous
band, EARWIG, is just as good if not better. I just got their "Underneath
My Skin I Am Laughing" cd and it's incredible. Kirsty has the same
soft-spoken vocals which shock you with their evilness (if only because they
are so soft-spoken). There may be a bit more guitar and a bit less
keyboards, but as far as I'm concerned, it seems more appropriate. It
allows them to get a bit more harsh and percussive, which adds to the
contrast. My only complaint with INSIDES is that it can sound a bit samey
(though I like that same sound), and this complaint does not apply to
EARWIG. Definately worth checking out!
By the way, "Underneath My Skin I Am Laughing" is available in the US on
La-Di-Da. Has anyone found their cd compilation of eps called "Past"? I'm
dying to get it!
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 15:39:28 -0500
i tried to order any of slowdives first
3 eps... but i was told they were out
of print....
is that true... (im assuming it is)
and is there any way to get them
now if they are discontinued?
thanks...
oh yea i was the one who posted the
hnia library girl lyrics...so thanks
to mike (?) for the clarification...
that makes sense.... (like they
have to all of a sudden)
i could swear she said grade...
thanks..
b'bi.
--->spiral
[email protected]
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 15:00:39 -0800
I love Swervedriver, in fact Im listening to the raise CD as I write.
Last thing I hear was they cancelled their tour because one of the
member's wife was expecting his child. That's really old news though.
No idea what they're up to, but would love to know.
Edo
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 21:35:01 -0500
Edward Pak Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 21:39:51 -0500
Michael Entler