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Subject: Re: need HNIA universal frequencies EP in Wash,DC
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 10:49:15 +0600
From: Chad Burkey (burkey@CSTAR.AC.COM)
Subject: DEAD CAN DANCE GOING TECHNO
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 13:28:53 CST6DST
From: PEREZ GUTIERREZ JORGE HUMBERTO (AR24051@LHP.GDL.ITESO.MX)
Subject: Re: Used CD's in NYC
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 09:30:40 -0800
From: Alex Wolfson (ajw6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: Hello
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 21:54:56 +0000
From: Curtis Hall (chall@pcisys.net)
Subject: thislisty sale (fwd)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 21:49:12 -0600
From: Steven Szaks (gszaks@UXA.ECN.BGU.EDU)
Subject: Dancing at Louse Point - short live review
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 16:40:06 +0000
From: Richard Clemens (R.Clemens@UNIVERSITY-MANAGEMENT.SALFORD.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: A friendly favor (fwd)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 01:42:42 -0500
From: Aaron Chavez (Elysium128@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: A friendly favor (fwd)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 01:00:49 +0000
From: Curtis Hall (chall@pcisys.net)
Subject: Tarnation
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 01:48:33 +0000
From: Curtis Hall (chall@pcisys.net)
Subject: would you like to hear our music?
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 03:50:09 -0600
From: sarah and mark (mrf546t@NIC.SMSU.EDU)
Subject: 4AD Questions
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 15:45:02 +0500
From: Jose Enrique Plata Manjarres (j-plata@UNIANDES.EDU.CO)
Subject: Re: 4AD Questions
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:04:31 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: would you like to hear our music?
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 09:38:24 -0500
From: WILLIAM MCGIBONEY (wdm@MHC.EDU)
Subject: Re: would you like to hear our music?
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 09:52:24 -0500
From: Cliff Walton (cliff@FOURAD.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: 13 year itch, other 4AD comps FS
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 18:15:29 +0100
From: Alexis Dubourg (DUBOURG_Alexis@STNA.DGAC.FR)
Subject: Tarnation to Curtis Hall
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 12:19:05 -0400
From: Zarqa Javed (javedz@ROCKVAX.ROCKEFELLER.EDU)
Subject: 13 year itch, other 4AD comps FS
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 06:02:35 -0800
From: David Stack (dstack@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: gus gus video
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 21:44:48 PST
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: Re: s.reynolds
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:52:05 -0500
From: chanse01@medlib.iaims.georgetown.edu
Subject: HNIA touring
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:18:35 -0800
From: Matt Greer (megreer@UCDAVIS.EDU)
Subject: Replying privately
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:34:47 -0500
From: JRR TOLKIEN (GGNL44A@PRODIGY.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD Questions
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 12:39:03 -0600
From: "Jose A. Garcia Triana Camil" (jgcamil@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4AD Questions
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 16:46:30 +0500
From: Jose Enrique Plata Manjarres (j-plata@UNIANDES.EDU.CO)
Subject: Re: Shellyan Orphan
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 12:44:38 -0800
From: Heather Murray (s0071593@GBC.GBROWNC.ON.CA)
Subject: DCD and GUS UK promo questions
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 18:27:03 -0500
From: "Jeffrey T. Gayton" (jtgayton@POLISCI.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4AD Questions vol. 2
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 16:23:11 -0500
From: Jason Bryant (Srilank@AOL.COM)
Subject: eyesore on cd?
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 22:58:53 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: Test Do Not read
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 17:27:15 -0800
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: album release dates?
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 21:47:46 EST
From: Matt DeBellis (loomer5@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Tarnation Cline!
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 19:27:06 +0100
From: Curtis Hall (chall@pcisys.net)
Subject: Echos CD with "Bylar" by Lisa Gerrard
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 19:22:36 -0700
From: A Wandering Soul (jsola@CARBON.CUDENVER.EDU)
Subject: cds'r'us
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 03:26:37 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)

Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 10:49:15 +0600
From: Chad Burkey (burkey@CSTAR.AC.COM)
Subject: Re: need HNIA universal frequencies EP in Wash,DC


At 04:35 pm 2/3/97 -0800, you wrote:
>At 01:15 PM 2/3/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>hello fellow liszties----
>>
>>i have a problem.  my HNIA ep got a big scuff on it and now track 3 won't
>play.
>>
>I'd try something first--get some 400 grade wet/dry sandpaper and try to
>buff out the scuff.  CDs use an 'Archimedes Spiral'--that is the groove
>with the pits and lands starts at the center and goes counterclockwise to
>the outside edge of the disc.
>Buff the cd gently ONLY in direction of the groove, NOT across it (outside
>to inside=NONO).  What you've got is a cross lateral scratch that keeps
>fooling the laser into re-reading it.
>This may ruin the disc and if the scratch goes too deep you're out of luck.
> But $.69 of sandpaper may just rescue your $16 CD.

GOOD LORD NO!!!  First of all DO NOT use sandpaper...it is *far* too
abrasive.  A far better solution is to use a very slight bit of toothpaste
(not of the baking soda variety) and apply it exactly the opposite way as
described above.  Small scratches that the laser tracks across are easily
ignored, while scratches that travel along the tracks are more difficult
for the error correction circuitry to handle (due to the large amounts of
sequential errors).  It sounds like "dans" was referring to (with the
exception of the sandpaper thing) was the correct way to clean vinyl.  CDs
and vinyl records are *very* different beasts.

BTW, I have used this method to take scratches and such out of a large
number of discs with it never failing to restore the disc.


Chad
... .  .    .        .               .                             .
"This doesn't feel like home at all"

Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 13:28:53 CST6DST
From: PEREZ GUTIERREZ JORGE HUMBERTO (AR24051@LHP.GDL.ITESO.MX)
Subject: DEAD CAN DANCE GOING TECHNO


   There's a review of the Gus Gus new single on the SELECT magazine
pages ( http://www.erack.com/select/) it goes like that:

GUS GUS
BELIEVE
4AD

 The phrase "musical collective" usually conjures up hellish images
of goatie-bearded buffoons and high-pitched harridans who think that
stripping will somehow destroy the burgeoise. But Iceland's Gus Gus
manage to combine their art-house imperatives with an irreverent pick
n' mix attitude to prevalent tends. "Believe" sounds like the last
ten years of house music condensed into 3 minutes, Roland 808s
squelching next to jumpy percussive break-beats, all held together by
sombre vocals that recall Underworld's " Dirty epic". Imagine Dead
Can Dance going techno, if that doesn't give you too many nightmares.
3 STARS

Also if you visit that pages you can get an audio sample of that
song, along from reviews of Pavement, Space and De la Soul. (?)

I have a few questions that i hope someone answer me.

1. When it's the release date of the Tarnation cd single and wich are
the songs that feature.

2. I love all the Ultra Vivid Scene records but i don't ever listen
to the singles or eps. Are they good, which is the best?

3. I know that Rema Rema and Mass had members of the Wolfgang Press
but i don't know what kind of music play, what do they sound like?


Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 09:30:40 -0800
From: Alex Wolfson (ajw6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Used CD's in NYC


Zarqa Javed wrote:
>
> Are there any decent, well-stocked used CD stores outside of the St. Mark's
> area of the village in NYC? Plus where in NY can I get 4AD
> imports...nauseously dizzy with the Kim's/Tower/Virgin circuitous route.

I happen to like Kim's a lot and wouldn't throw them in the same stinking
pit as Tower...

But some other suggestions.

Other Music: Between Broadway and Layfayette.  Either 4th or 8th streets
I can't remember.  Expensive.

some interesting rarities.  Great for larger new releases because all new
cds are 9.99 or 8.99 with voice coupon.  Main store is on 4th street
between 6/7 aves with a quite enjoyable clearance outlet between
6/University.

Bleeker Street Stores:  Haven't been there in a while, but Rebel Rebel
used to carry a lot of great UK stuff, including Vinyl.  Between 6&7 or
5&6 aves.  There are a couple of other stores on bleeker, but I don't
remember.

There is also a record store on Houston, Bridage Records, which is
between layfayette and 3rd aves.  I respect the guys that work there
because they made their way from selling CD's at the Grand Street flea
market.  And if you catch them on a good day, they can actually be nice.

That's all I can recall.

Alex
--

Alex Wolfson
Associate Director
Columbia Institute for Tele-Information
809 Uris Hall
New York, NY 10027-7004
212/854-4222
212/854-4368 (direct)
212/932-7816 (fax)
ajw6@columbia.edu

Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 21:54:56 +0000
From: Curtis Hall (chall@pcisys.net)
Subject: Hello


I would like to have some recommendations as to what 4AD groups are
really happening!
Thanks!

Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 21:49:12 -0600
From: Steven Szaks (gszaks@UXA.ECN.BGU.EDU)
Subject: thislisty sale (fwd)


I posted this sale a few weeks ago, and most of the deals fell thru!! If
anyone want's any of this stuff, you have to get back to me by friday, as
I will be loosing my access next week...otherwise, it's all going to the
local used cd shop!

>
> hey all, I am moving in a few weeks, and need to clean up and get rid of
> stuff that I don't listen to anymore..
> reply to gszaks@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
>
> all prices include postage (in the usa)
> if you don't like the price, make an offer!
>
> 7"
> air maimi- i hate milk/faternoon train (promo given at shows) PRO-S-7823
> $10
> the- amps bragging party promo (uk)
> $10
> cocteau twins-  bluebeard (uk) (fontana)
> $5
> cocteau twins-  twinlights doble 7" (uk)  (fontana)
> $12
> mazzy star- five string serenade (uk) (rough trade singles club,
> june,1993)
> $10
>
> scheer- demon/howling boy promo (uk) (4ad) SCHEER-1
> $12
>
> cd-5's
> air maimi- i hate milk 1 track promo (usa)
> $3
> belly- slow dust ep  (uk) (4ad-bad2009cd)
> $7
> frank black- los angeles 1 track promo (usa)
> $3      or both frank blacks for $5
> frank black- men in black i track promo (usa)
> $3    or both frank blacks for $5
> throwing muses- bright yellow gun 1 track promo (usa)
> $3
> uvs- staring at the sun 3 tracks (uk) (4ad-bad0004cd)
> $5
>
> full length cd
> cocteau twins- milk and kisses (usa) full lenght promo
> $7
> unrest- fuck pussy galore... (usa) (matador)
> $7
> versus- secret swingers (usa) (caroline)
> $6
> V/A-too pure peel sessions (uk) w/stereolab, pj harvey,etc..
> $8
>
> misc./other
> V/A- no balls
> $8
>
> if you don't like a price, make an offer!! I am moving, so all this needs
> to go, or it goes to the local cd store...
>
> steve
> gszaks@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
>
>

thanks!
steve


Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 16:40:06 +0000
From: Richard Clemens (R.Clemens@UNIVERSITY-MANAGEMENT.SALFORD.AC.UK)
Subject: Dancing at Louse Point - short live review


As its not really 4AD (only connection off the top of my head is via Nick
Cave) I'll try to be brief.

I went to see the John Parish/Polly Jean Harvey & some dance group
(sorry forgot the name) perform 'Dancing at Louse Point' at the Nia
Centre, Manchester last night (Monday) and would strongly recommend
anyone who has the option to go does.

The music is much more intense than on the record. Polly's singing
is as intense as every, but with even more scope and range. It seems
the smaller and thinner she looks, the greater her voice. And she
looked really small last night. The music itself is all by John
Parish (lyrics by Polly) and varies from standard (if there is such
a thing) PJ Harvey sound(s) through more Patti Smith type bits,
through UT sound mis-shapes and is superbly delivered.

The dancing was an eye openner. I've seen a bit of dance in the past
(ex-partner was a classically trainned dancer) and always found modern
dance to be either dull or embarrassing, as I did much
classical/ballet dancing. Now I know why. Modern dance is usually
done to dull or embarrasing music. Despite not being able to see the
floor of the stage the movement of the five dancers was quite
captivating. In fact in a certain sense I quite enjoyed the bits
where all I could see were various parts of anatomy popping up! But
if you do go, tyr and get a seat where yoou can see the floor over or
throuogh people's heads.

All five of us who went really enjoyed the show. Only two of us had
heard any of PJ Harvey, and none were particularly 'dance'
consiseurs.

And the way that women moved her shoulders and arms had the
Nia Centre captivated, totally.

Richard


Richard Clemens
Academic Division (Student/Institutional Services)
University of Salford, Allerton Building,
Frederick Road, Salford M6 6PU 0161 736 6541 x235

Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 01:42:42 -0500
From: Aaron Chavez (Elysium128@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: A friendly favor (fwd)


DWAO


Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 01:00:49 +0000
From: Curtis Hall (chall@pcisys.net)
Subject: Re: A friendly favor (fwd)


Pardon my intelligence, but what exactly is "DWAO"?


Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 01:48:33 +0000
From: Curtis Hall (chall@pcisys.net)
Subject: Tarnation


What does Tarnation sound like?  Any comparisons?
The 4AD homepage sound samples aren't functioning!
Let me know.
Thanks!


Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 03:50:09 -0600
From: sarah and mark (mrf546t@NIC.SMSU.EDU)
Subject: would you like to hear our music?


hello everyone,

we've just finished a tape of our music.  our name is creeping jenny and
we use combo organ, xylophone, synthesizers, various percussion items,
and female vocals to make our music.  we're looking for zine reviews,
radio show play, small label release of our music, and/or personal
feedback and reaction.  if you'd like a copy of our cassette, please
email us with your address and we'll send one out to you.

thanks!
mark and sarah


Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 15:45:02 +0500
From: Jose Enrique Plata Manjarres (j-plata@UNIANDES.EDU.CO)
Subject: 4AD Questions


My name is Jose Enrique Plata M. I am 21 year
old Colombian economics and law student at the Universidad de Los Andes
here in Bogota. I am longtime fan of bands and artists like : The Cocteau
Twins, Pixies, Lush, The Breeders, This Mortal Coil, Matt Johnson, The
Wolfgang Press, The Birthday Party, Colourbox, Xmal Deutschalnd, Unrest,
Air Miami, Dead Can Dance, Pale Saints, Kirstin Hersh, His Name is Alive,
The Happy Family, Belly, Throwing Muses, and some others.=20
I have the following questions. Please help me.
1. Is the Cocteau Twins single box set still available in the United
States. A friend of mine saw the eropean version in Vienna and it was
really expensive. Is there a big diffrence between them?
2. Is there any possibility of finding a book containing a selection of
v23 and Vaughn and Oliver=B4s work?
3. Has the e.p of the Twinstwistle Brass band ever released in America.
Also is there a C.D. version of the Pale Saint=B4s E.P that has a "hidden
track"?
4. Is there any possibility of finding a box set containing all of the
Pixies and Breeders E.P=B4s?
5. Which bands have Peel sessions besides the Cocteau Twins, Xmal
Deutschland and The Birthday Party? Are they available somewhere?
6. Which bands and artists have good quality recordings of their concerts
and presentations? I mean bootleg recordings. Not the one from Lush sold
by KTS which has a horrible sound quality.
7. Is there a big difference between Unrest=B4s Imperial FFRR release in
America and the U.K.?  Besides the Portrait, is there a difference between=
=20
the track listing? Should I buy the American or the British Version?
8. Where can I speak with Ivo about a local band in here who has been
working for more than eight years and whose influences include: Pixies,
Cocteau Twins, New Order, Bela Bartok and The Cure?
9. Which bands have toured or been "incognito" in South America,
especially in my country: Colombia?
10. Air Miami=B4s Me.Me.Me. release states that there are more Air Miami=B4=
s
releases in cassette. All though they are offered by Teenbeat, has any one
heard them?
11. Is there any possibility of finding a copy of the American release of
all This Mortal Coil=B4s box set called 1983-1981 now?
12. Has any band or artist released a C.D.Rom with 4ad? Are there plans to
release one?
13. Has any one heard a band called Tsunami and another one called The
Glee Club?
14. This Mortal Coil=B4s first release, "Sixteen Days Gathering" has been
released in America as a C.D. Which artists are featured?=20
15. Whatever happened with the girls from Xmal Deutschland. Was the Peel
Sessions recordings their last one?
16. Is Ivo married, who can make a biography of him? This is because I
want to write an article of the label and I would like to get this
information.
17. Is there any possibility of making a "Son of This Mortal Coil" as Ivo
said in 1993?
18. Has there been some other release of 4ad posters in these years?
19. Where can I find the Lilies release? I=B4ve been searching for it for
more than two years and it is impossible to find it.
20. Is the Guernica sublabel still functioning?
21. Is there some independence between 4ad America and 4ad U.K.?
22. Two or more opportunities I sent the card for obtaining a copy of the
label=B4s catalog. A local recordstore has a copy of it. But where are mine=
?      =20
23. Whatever happened to Modern English, Colourbox and In Camera?
24. The Lonely is an Eyesore Video compilation has ever been released in
America?25. Which bands share members simultaneously? (Example: The Pixies=
=20
"shared" their bassist Kim Deal with The Breeders)
26. The Breeder=B4s live album has ever been released in America or is
just a limited edition that I can only find as an expensive import
costing about 37 dollars here in Colombia.
27. Are there any fanzines dedicated to bands like the Pale Saints,
Lush, The Cocteau Twins,etc?
28. When I put on my C.D. player the Pale Saint=B4s album "In Ribbons", I
notice that the first track ends an immediately appears a 99.99
seconds time left. What is this?
29. Has the 4ad label ever released a soundtrack?
30. Is there any possibility of recording something new with the female
Bulgarian Chorus.
31. I have a copy of the Cocteau=B4s Garlands album. I notice that there
is possibly an error in the track listing. Exactly, concerning the Peel=20
sessions, tracks 10 or 11 or 12 are  wrongly named if we take into
account the track listing in the Peppermintt Pig E.P. included in
the singles box.      =20
32. Will the label desire to publish a book containg its history?
33. Whatever happened to the early "Axis" label bands and releases?
34. Which Japanese releases are better than the American and British
releases. Is there any place where they can be found and ordered?
35. Is Ivo interested in working with other labels like Mute, Real
World, Seed Records or Creation?=20
36. Are there any upcoming tours from 4ad bands?
37. Is the 4ad logo these same from the start?
38. What has happened to Spoonfed Hybrid, That Dog, Spirea X and
Underground Lovers?
39. Which acts would Ivo have signed to his label? I once heard he wished
Portishead and P.J. Harvey to be in his label.
40. Where can I find releases by Breathless and Shelleyan Orphan?
41. Are the Cocteaus and Ivo still speaking?
42. How was made the portarit of Colourbox=B4s Colourbox album made? The on=
e
with the mare and the horse or are they cows?
43. Has any one visited the 4ad offices? How are they decorated?
44. What is John Fryer doing in these days?
45. Is there any possibility of obtaining 4ad picture slides, in order to
offer conferences and expositions?
46. Who is the woman in the 13-year itch poster?
47. Who are the women featured in TMC=A8s albums?
48. Is the label interested in expanding itself to other places like Latin
America and Asia?
49. Is the label interested in signing trance producers?
50. Which can be considered 4ad favorites?
51. Whatever happened to Rema-Rema and Dif Juz?
52. Which are the most common groove messages featured in vynil releases?
53. Has there ever been a 4ad fan convention?
54. Is there any 4ad paraphernalia like mugs, calendars, watches, etc?
55. What has happened to Brendan Perry=B4s solo album? Is it planned to be
released?
56. What is Gordon Sharp doing in these days? Are there any forthcoming
Cindytalk releases?
57. Which artists have hidden songs in their releases, besides from the
Pale Saints.
58. Is it true that the Muses debut album will be released in America by
Rykodisc?
59. Did Hipgnosis and Peter Saville and associates influenced v23 and
Vaughan and Oliver?
60. Is Nicholas Currie, of The Happy Family and Momus still working with
any band?


Please wrtite soon. Thanx for your help.
Jose Enrique Plata M.
Economics and Law Student
Universidad de Los Andes
Bogota, Colombia=20
South America

  Address: Av.30#54-01
           Int. 2 Apto 402
           Bogot=E1 Colombia
           South America
  Phone: 2 21 99 27  =20


Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:04:31 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: 4AD Questions


At 15:45 4-02-97 +0500, you wrote:
>My name is Jose Enrique Plata M. I am 21 year
>old Colombian economics and law student at the Universidad de Los Andes
>here in Bogota. I am longtime fan of bands and artists like : The Cocteau
>Twins, Pixies, Lush, The Breeders, This Mortal Coil, Matt Johnson,

etc.etc.etc.etc.

What's this? deja vue extended version or something? Or is it the new 4AD
subscribers quiz?

Frank
+++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pi.net
+++++++++++++++


Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 09:38:24 -0500
From: WILLIAM MCGIBONEY (wdm@MHC.EDU)
Subject: Re: would you like to hear our music?


Sure, I'd love to hear you. Send me a  tape:

Dale McGiboney
P.O. Box 6399
Mars Hill College
Mars Hill, NC  28754


Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 09:52:24 -0500
From: Cliff Walton (cliff@FOURAD.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: would you like to hear our music?


>hello everyone,
>
>we've just finished a tape of our music.  our name is creeping jenny and
>we use combo organ, xylophone, synthesizers, various percussion items,
>and female vocals to make our music.  we're looking for zine reviews,
>radio show play, small label release of our music, and/or personal
>feedback and reaction.  if you'd like a copy of our cassette, please
>email us with your address and we'll send one out to you.
>
>thanks!
>mark and sarah

please submit to lewis jamieson, 4ad, 15 alma road, london sw18 1aa

regards

cliff walton


Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 18:15:29 +0100
From: Alexis Dubourg (DUBOURG_Alexis@STNA.DGAC.FR)
Subject: Re: 13 year itch, other 4AD comps FS


Hi,

Having read my mail with some delay, I guess 13 Year Itch is not available any
more, but just in case...

aLeX

________________________________________
                          Alexis Dubourg
             dubourg_alexis@stna.dgac.fr

I am not a monster. I am something worse.


Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 12:19:05 -0400
From: Zarqa Javed (javedz@ROCKVAX.ROCKEFELLER.EDU)
Subject: Tarnation to Curtis Hall


>What does Tarnation sound like?  Any comparisons?
>The 4AD homepage sound samples aren't functioning!
>Let me know.
>Thanks!


Patsy Cline.....so much so that they approximate a rip-off. But great
twangy, sentimental, old-fashioned romantic stuff, if you're into that sort
of thing. Furthermore, imagine yourself sitting in a diner en route from
San Antonio to El Paso, at a screened window in the middle of August, no
air conditioner and flies are perpetually buzzing by too close..that's
Tarnation. (Or driving home to Los Angeles from an impromptu trip to Tucson
with a guy you really like but you're not sure you can keep)


Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 06:02:35 -0800
From: David Stack (dstack@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: 13 year itch, other 4AD comps FS

              "sarah and mark" at Feb 5, 97 03:50:09 am

4AD Compilations
================

NO BALLS (US, promo)..........................................$12
FACING THE WRONG WAY (UK import, promo).......................$16
...THINK I'M GETTING THE HANG OF IT (The Body Shop, promo)....$12
13 YEAR ITCH (Limited Edition, 2000 copies - Very Rare).......$30* E-mail
                                                                   for details
MAI PEN RAI (1993, promo light blue & purple).................$30

Dave (dstack@netcom.com)
===============================================================================
            THE CD WORKS: http://columbia.digiweb.com/dstack/music

             The CD Marketplace, City Guide for CD Shops & Clubs
           Slowdive/Red Flag/Cetu Javu Pages.  4AD Web Mailing List
===============================================================================
(track listing below)

NO BALLS (US, promo)..........................$12
Red house painter - summer dress
The Wolfgang press - people say
Lisa Germano - cry wolf
Pale Saints - one blue hill
Kendra Smith - Bold Marauder
Air Miami - Airplane Rider
Heidi Berry - The Mountain
Dead Can Dance - Rakim


FACING THE WRONG WAY (UK import, promo).......$16
Scheer - Take you anywhere
Throwing Muses - Snakeface
Red House Painters - Summer Dress
Tarnation - The well
Air Miami - you sweet little heartbreaker
Mojave 3- Love Songs on the radio
Belly - Super Connected
The Wolfgang Press - Christianity (Wicked man remix)
Heidi Berry - Miracle (new version)
Lisa Gerrard - Sanvean
Liquorice - Cheap Cuts
Kendra Smith - Valley of the morning sun
The Amps - Empty Glasses


...THINK I'M GETTING THE HANG OF IT (The Body Shop, promo)....$12
Lisa Gerrard - Sanvean
Air Miami - Dolphin Expressway
Liquorice - cheap cuts
Heidi Berry - Miracle
Sometimes - scheer
The Wolfgang Press - Christianity (Wicked Man remix)
Tarnation - The Well
Kendra Smith - Vally of the morning sun
Red House Painters - Cabezon
Hidden Track:  Mojave 3 - Love songs on the radio


13 YEAR ITCH (Limited Edition, 2000 copies - Very Rare)
Lush - Desire Line (demo)
Kristin Hersh - Your Ghost (demo)
Red House Painters - Mistree (remix)
Underground Lovers - Your Eyes (remix)
The Wolfgang Press - Peace On Fire
Unrest - Where are all thoe Puerto Rican Boys?
The Breeders - Invisible Man (demo)
Bettie Serveert - Totally Freaked Out
Brendan Perry - Happy Time
Heidi Berry - Firefly
Pale Saints - One Blue Hill (demo)
His Name is Alive - The TIme falling bodies take to light
Ultra Vivid Scene - This is the way (Part 2)


MAI PEN RAI (1993, promo light blue & purple)..............$30
Belly - Feed the Tree
Ultra Vivid Scene - Blood and THunder
Frank Black - Los Angeles
Heidi Berry - The Moon and the sun
Red House Painters - Rollercoaster
Dead Can Dance - The carnival is over
His Name is Alive - In Every Ford
Unrest - Teenage Suicide
Underground Lovers - Promenade
This Mortal Coil - You and Your Sister
Matt Johnson/The The - Another boy drowing

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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 21:44:48 PST
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: gus gus video


Alternative Nation played the "believe" video yesternight. first time
I heard "believe" and I think "polyesterday" is better. apparently,
Alternative Nation is going to an Iceland special sometime soon featuring
Gus Gus and other icelandic bands.
there was also a cool video called "natural rhythm" by Hexstatic. nice.

-naor-
itchy feet


Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:52:05 -0500
From: chanse01@medlib.iaims.georgetown.edu
Subject: Re: s.reynolds

              Feb 2, 97 02:58:25 am

>
> Does anyone happen to know if Simon Reynolds' book "Blissed Out: the
> Raptures of Rock" is still available?  I had a copy that I got for a
> birthday a couple of years ago, but a friend lost it...and I miss it!
>
> Also, there was a band that he speaks very highly of in the book that
> I've always wanted to hear.  They were called Saqqara Dogs, and I think
> he mentions that they released at least one album and a mini-LP.  Since
> that's the only mention I've ever heard of them, and I think their
> material was released on some little indie label, I'm assuming that it's
> all out of print now.  Does anyone have any that they'd like to trade
> away or tape off for me?
>
> ---Jeremy 
>
> "T is for her tooth-filled mouth, T is for her tooth-filled mouth..."
>

        I've seen this at Tower Records on a few occasions in Washington
D.C.  But, this was several months ago.  You may want to call them.  I'm
sure they'd do mail order.


Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:18:35 -0800
From: Matt Greer (megreer@UCDAVIS.EDU)
Subject: HNIA touring


Hey, so word around the list has it that HNIA is touring...but so far the
only dates I've seen are for the west coast....are they planning on hitting
the east coast sometime soon (namely florida) or where they already here and
I missed them again??


Matt

Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:34:47 -0500
From: JRR TOLKIEN (GGNL44A@PRODIGY.COM)
Subject: Replying privately


There seems to be an upsurge of people that send mail to this list
that would be much more appropriate if sent to the original writer.
When replying to mail, check your "to box". If it has the address of
the mailing list in it, remove it. Put in the private address of the
specific person that you are replying to. The only reason why I am
sending this mail is because 8 out of the 9 messages I got today were
just that. Messages that shold have been sent directly back to the
original writer. The 9th was someone that obviously does not know how
to subscribe to a mailing list. Thats my two cents worth.
      Ryan (GGNL44A@Prodigy.com)

p.s. sorry for those that received this email more than once. I sent
it out to three different mailing lists that those 9 messages and
others in the past week have come from.

Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 12:39:03 -0600
From: "Jose A. Garcia Triana Camil" (jgcamil@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4AD Questions


At 03:04 PM 5/02/97 +0100, you wrote:
>At 15:45 4-02-97 +0500, you wrote:
>>My name is Jose Enrique Plata M. I am 21 year
>>old Colombian economics and law student at the Universidad de Los Andes
>>here in Bogota. I am longtime fan of bands and artists like : The Cocteau
>>Twins, Pixies, Lush, The Breeders, This Mortal Coil, Matt Johnson,
>
>etc.etc.etc.etc.
>
>What's this? deja vue extended version or something? Or is it the new 4AD
>subscribers quiz?
>

Answer all questions correctly and you=B4ll  win a trip to England to meet=
 4AD
Head Hocho Ivo...
(yeah, you wish...)
*************************************************
"May The Force Be With You... Always"
                Obi Wan Kenobi
*************************************************

Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 16:46:30 +0500
From: Jose Enrique Plata Manjarres (j-plata@UNIANDES.EDU.CO)
Subject: Re: 4AD Questions


On Wed, 5 Feb 1997, Jose A. Garcia Triana Camil wrote:

> At 03:04 PM 5/02/97 +0100, you wrote:
> >At 15:45 4-02-97 +0500, you wrote:
> >>My name is Jose Enrique Plata M. I am 21 year
> >>old Colombian economics and law student at the Universidad de Los Andes
> >>here in Bogota. I am longtime fan of bands and artists like : The Cocte=
au
> >>Twins, Pixies, Lush, The Breeders, This Mortal Coil, Matt Johnson,
> >
> >etc.etc.etc.etc.
> >
> >What's this? deja vue extended version or something? Or is it the new 4A=
D
> >subscribers quiz?
> >
>=20
> Answer all questions correctly and you=B4ll  win a trip to England to mee=
t 4AD
> Head Hocho Ivo...
> (yeah, you wish...)
> *************************************************
> "May The Force Be With You... Always"
>                 Obi Wan Kenobi
> *************************************************
>=20

 After all, 4ad has released some of the best musical productions, and
here in Colombia it is difficult to find answers to my questions. Why?
Because there are no good music stores like those in Europe or America or
Asia, also, there is no good music press dedicated to good music. People
in here just think that rock and roll is Elvis, The Beatles, Stones, Zep,
Michael Jackson, and they don=B4t know that Nick Cave, Pixies, MBV, The Pal=
e
Saints, The Specials, Laurie Anderson, The SMiths exist.

Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 12:44:38 -0800
From: Heather Murray (s0071593@GBC.GBROWNC.ON.CA)
Subject: Re: Shellyan Orphan


On Tue, 4 Feb 1997, o-o-o wrote:

> >Just got Shellyan Orphan $@4 (Js Waking Up at a used cd store here in
Austin,
> >Duvall Discs (Or records) on Guadalupe. Plenty of used 4AD stuff there:
> >Kendra Smith, Liquorice, The Glee Club (which until today I havent had
the
> >chance to listen to) and, get this, GusGus for $3! (Obviously, i got
it!)
> >But anyway, the reason for this is that I loved Shellyan Orphan!
> >Since you fountains of wisdom know the right place to start, which SO
cd
> >sould I pick? I loved all the tracks but in particular Burst, Dead cat
and
> >Supernature on a Superhighway-
> >
> >I appreciate the advice!
> >
> >Pepe
>
> Oh, I would start with Helleboraine.  Probably the easiest to find.
>
I for one haven't heard anything from them except Century Flower, which I
managed to find after about 9 or 10 months of searching... which, by the
way, is quite a beautiful listening experience. Kinda reminds me of
what Dream Academy might sound like if they had reached maturity...

Koshka

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Where are we going?!"
"PLANET TEN!"
"When?!"
"REAL SOON!"
        -Buckaroo Banzai
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 18:27:03 -0500
From: "Jeffrey T. Gayton" (jtgayton@POLISCI.WISC.EDU)
Subject: DCD and GUS UK promo questions


I've got a couple of anal collector questions for you all.

First, about those myriad Gus Gus promos. I've got the info on GUS 1 (12"
w/ "Chocolate") and GUS 2 (12" w/ "Polydistortion"). But I also remember
hearing about another GUS 2 that's a CD. Could some one give me more info
on that? Is the cat. no. really "GUS 2" or is it "GUS 2 CD?" Also, what's
the story with the "Believe" promos? I heard about a GUS 3 and a GUS 5 CD.
Can anyone supply more info? And is there a GUS 4 somewhere?

--------------------

On a related note, there are three "DCD" Dead Can Dance promos I know of:

DCD 1 (CD for "Baraka")
DCD 2 (12" for "Spiritchaser")
DCD 4 (the tour programme)

Is there a DCD 3 that I've missed?


-- Jeff

Jeffrey T. Gayton

jtgayton@polisci.wisc.edu

University of Wisconsin, Madison
110 North Hall
1050 Bascom Mall
Madison, WI  53706

Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 16:23:11 -0500
From: Jason Bryant (Srilank@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD Questions vol. 2

A78577

and then to continue where we were talking previously--

> 26. The Breeder=B4s live album has ever been released in America or is
>  just a limited edition that I can only find as an expensive import
>  costing about 37 dollars here in Colombia.

I'm assuming that this is the fan club issue, right?  As far as I know it=
 is
a ltd. edition and will prolly cost an arm and a kidney.

>  27. Are there any fanzines dedicated to bands like the Pale Saints,
>  Lush, The Cocteau Twins,etc?

anyone?

>  28. When I put on my C.D. player the Pale Saint=B4s album "In Ribbons"=
, I
>  notice that the first track ends an immediately appears a 99.99
>  seconds time left. What is this?

The portal to another dimension - don't go near it *or* a defective playe=
r :)

>  29. Has the 4ad label ever released a soundtrack?

"albino alligator" - michael brook - here in the upcoming month or so.

>  30. Is there any possibility of recording something new with the femal=
e
>  Bulgarian Chorus.

They still are recording material - however not for 4AD release.  Check t=
he
world music section in any chain store for more on that.

>  31. I have a copy of the Cocteau=B4s Garlands album. I notice that the=
re
>  is possibly an error in the track listing. Exactly, concerning the Pee=
l
>  sessions, tracks 10 or 11 or 12 are  wrongly named if we take into
>  account the track listing in the Peppermintt Pig E.P. included in
>  the singles box.

yes.

>  32. Will the label desire to publish a book containg its history?

They'll probably leave it to us to sort it out.

>  33. Whatever happened to the early "Axis" label bands and releases?

Axis had to forgo it's name because it was taken.  The first pressings we=
re
more than likely just ltd. to that - first pressings.  I know that Beggar=
s
Banquet picked up Shox and Bauhaus and repressed those singles - but I do=
ubt
if there was ever any repressing by 4AD/Axis at the time.  Bearz members =
are
doing research on crystals in sri lanka, Bauhaus are individually and
slightly collectively doing their own thing, Shox split, took up hockey a=
nd
the rest of their story is history and the Fast Set is a modern day urban
myth methinks indeed.

>  34. Which Japanese releases are better than the American and British
>  releases. Is there any place where they can be found and ordered?

Belly's _Baby Silvertooth_ comprises most singles b-sides from _star_ on =
one
unique package.  Lush's _Topolino_ does the same for _lovelife_ (although=
 it
sounds as if the Canadian version is a bit more expansive), Pale Saints _=
Mrs.
Dolphin_ has some ep tracks and 2 unique.  Most pressings of Japanese ful=
l
lengths like _lovelife_ for example usually have an added track or two (b=
ut
nothing exclusive to the rest of the world in one format or another).

>  35. Is Ivo interested in working with other labels like Mute, Real
>  World, Seed Records or Creation?

Ivo?  Creation is called Oasis Distribution Co. from now on.  Real World =
is
P. Gabriel's gig, Seed - I don't know (the last thing I bought on that la=
bel
was the last Madder Rose), and Mute will be just fine *not* working with
anyone.  They have a most unique untampered roster - which should stay th=
at
way IMHHO.

>  36. Are there any upcoming tours from 4ad bands?

HNIA is touring currently.  DCD are resting.  Maybe we'll see Tarnation. =
 Gus
Gus will take over the world :)   Lush is up in the air about their futur=
e.
 Scheer - I'm not sure.  Paladins chronically tour.  Tanya - I don't know.
 Michael Brook does live shows it seems once every 10 years or so.  Breed=
ers
are possibly working on something and probably not planning a tour.   Wha=
t
ever happened to the new Xymox?

>  37. Is the 4ad logo these same from the start?

no.  originally it was just 4AD 8 hogarth road etc.  then it was 4  .  A =
 .
 D. in an oval and then the latter day logo.

>  38. What has happened to Spoonfed Hybrid, That Dog, Spirea X and
>  Underground Lovers?

SH had an ep out on Farrago this summer, That Dog released _totally crush=
ed
out_ in late '95 on DGC, Spirea X evaporated, and Underground Lovers are
still releasing material in Australia - maybe?

>  39. Which acts would Ivo have signed to his label? I once heard he wis=
hed
>  Portishead and P.J. Harvey to be in his label.

Most brit-pop after the fact :)  i.e. Oasis, kula shakur, suede.

>  40. Where can I find releases by Breathless and Shelleyan Orphan?

IPR mailorder still had some Breathless last I heard.  Shelleyan Orphan (=
with
exception to the Helleborine e.p.) shouldn't be too hard to locate.

>  41. Are the Cocteaus and Ivo still speaking?

. . .

>  42. How was made the portarit of Colourbox=B4s Colourbox album made? T=
he one
>  with the mare and the horse or are they cows?

the one w/ the horses - horsin' around??  I'm not sure.

>  43. Has any one visited the 4ad offices? How are they decorated?

I traveled by foot for 2 weeks and then sailed for another 3 months by wi=
nd
power alone - hitchiked my way to the SW corner of London - but when I go=
t
there I didn't have the secret password - so again I must confess I don't
know.

>  44. What is John Fryer doing in these days?
>  45. Is there any possibility of obtaining 4ad picture slides, in order=
 to
>  offer conferences and expositions?
>  46. Who is the woman in the 13-year itch poster?
>  47. Who are the women featured in TMC=A8s albums?
>  48. Is the label interested in expanding itself to other places like L=
atin
>  America and Asia?
>  49. Is the label interested in signing trance producers?
>  50. Which can be considered 4ad favorites?
>  51. Whatever happened to Rema-Rema and Dif Juz?
>  52. Which are the most common groove messages featured in vynil releas=
es?
>  53. Has there ever been a 4ad fan convention?
>  54. Is there any 4ad paraphernalia like mugs, calendars, watches, etc?
>  55. What has happened to Brendan Perry=B4s solo album? Is it planned t=
o be
>  released?
>  56. What is Gordon Sharp doing in these days? Are there any forthcomin=
g
>  Cindytalk releases?
>  57. Which artists have hidden songs in their releases, besides from th=
e
>  Pale Saints.
>  58. Is it true that the Muses debut album will be released in America =
by
>  Rykodisc?
>  59. Did Hipgnosis and Peter Saville and associates influenced v23 and
>  Vaughan and Oliver?
>  60. Is Nicholas Currie, of The Happy Family and Momus still working wi=
th
>  any band?

The rest of these tap my very trivial soul, so I have to let them go to
someone else more in the know.  I must say that this is the most
comprehensive and exhausting list of questions outside of the FAQ's that =
this
list has seen in years.

whew!

jason


srilank@aol.com

Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 22:58:53 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: eyesore on cd?


I'm about to back up the collection of 4ad sleeve scans onto cd (for
safekeeping), and it occurred to me that perhaps it might be nice to
put the eyesore html database onto it as well, so that one could have
everything in one neat package.  Interviews, articles, sleeves, data,
PostScript versions (in b&w and color), pictures, etc -- one would be
able to just put the cd into the cd-rom player and point a Web browser
to it.

So I wondered -- would anybody be interested in having a copy?  I
would have to charge Real Money for it (cd's aren't free, and I don't
have a cd-rom burner myself, so I would have to get somebody else to
do the copying).  Hm.  Perhaps 4AD wouldn't like me selling copies of
their artwork...  I dunno.  I just wondered if anybody is
interested...

It would basically still look like
means that you could access it faster (and offline).  I'd make the
data as up-to-date as possible before putting it on cd, of course.
You'd be able to access it from all operating systems, since it would
be just dead data and no executing programs.  You'd need a Web browser
to use it, though.

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen


Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 17:27:15 -0800
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: Re: Test Do Not read


adam,

uh, I guess you caught me...I read it.  hadn't seen your name in awhile, so
I thought I'd say hi.  how are you?  and catherine?  and the band?

nothing more to say at the moment...on my way from one pointless hobby to
another (work, to home to write a couple last reviews, and then off to the
studio...yawn).

take care,

rick

>test test test test
>
>

Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 21:47:46 EST
From: Matt DeBellis (loomer5@JUNO.COM)
Subject: album release dates?


 Does anyone know when the new Laika and Tarnation albums (and the
singles) will be released?  thanks a bunch...

matt


Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 19:27:06 +0100
From: Curtis Hall (chall@pcisys.net)
Subject: Tarnation Cline!


I've never been a fan of a band that sounds "so much like" somebody
else, that it is mentioned in 100% of the responses to "What does
Tarnation sound like."

Borrowing infamous words from Ross the Boss, "That's Just Sad!"

Now, a cool recommendation of a band who use another style to launch a
very own "personality" (Great live shows, too!) is on another label--
the Squirrel Nut Zippers.

Tarnation in the "Used Bin" next to the Pale Saints and Dif Juz...
C

Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 19:22:36 -0700
From: A Wandering Soul (jsola@CARBON.CUDENVER.EDU)
Subject: Echos CD with "Bylar" by Lisa Gerrard


The CD Echos Vol. 2 with the Lisa Gerrard song "Bylar" has mostly new
age-ish type artists, which I happen to like very much.  It's not rock or
ethereal oriented.  At any rate , the following is a list of the tracks
on the disc:

Joaquin Lievano - "Ecologie"
Seamus Eagan - "Mick O'Connor's"
Happy Rhodes - "Temporary and Eternal"
Bill Nelson - "Themis Aurea"
Kevin Keller - "Beneath the Pendulum"
Shiela Chandra - "Sacred Stones"
Peter Kater & Carlos Nakai - "Shaman's Call"
Jeff Pearce - "A Fragile Light"
Ottmar Liebert - "Snakecharmer"
Lisa Gerrard - "Bylar"
Trance Mission - "Bindi"



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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 03:26:37 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: cds'r'us


I was weaving through the web for the first time in a while, and there
seems to be quite a lot of ... stuff out there.  4AD new site looks
nice; each band of 4AD seems to have a plethora of unofficial and
official sites; and there are several 4ad-discographyish sites.  So
here's a thought:  What if we took and bundled a few of these sites on
the (possible) eyesore cd?  The eyesore discography (with everything)
doesn't take more than ~200-300Mb, which leaves us with half the CD
free.

If most people (like myself) create web sites mostly with just
relative links, moving a site around (onto a cd, for instance) is
pretty easy.  You just move the hierarchy, and that's it.  By pointing
a Web browser to the top-level node, one should be able to read it
fine.

It'll be, like, an "Everything you always wanted to know about 4AD"
cd.  600Mb of... stuff!  Perhaps including the 4ad-l logs would also
be possible, if they still exist...

As for the monetary aspect -- I won't have anything to do with selling
it.  I'll compile it, and let some cd copying guys I know do the rest.
I don't know what price they take for copying and shipping cds.

How does this sound?  Nice?  Yucky?  Could site maintainers that might
be interested in including their site(s) on this (imaginary) cd drop
me a note?

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen