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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 23:01:58 -0500
Matt says...
>>Last but not least, i picked up the first Roches record fro $1.00. I was
shocked when listening to it that it reminded me a lot of Liqourice!! At
least the song structores...not the vocals too much.<<
Funny, because I could always hear a bit of the Roches in Jenny Toomey's
voice. Of course there's the cover of Terry And Maggie Roche's "Jill of All
Trades" on "Listening Cap", which is pretty faithful to the original.
The most recognizable thing about the Roches IMO is actually the vocals.
Truly original and interesting vocal stylings (weird, off, three-part
harmonies...that dog. seem, to me, to borrow from the Roches in regard to
vocals) particularly on the first Roches album proper. "The Roches" really is
a masterpiece. Features production and "Frippertronics" from Master Robert
Fripp himself.
Shutting up.
Roy
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 20:32:19 -0800
hey 4aders.....Ive been going to the music shops lately to try and pick up a
couple new cds to give my collection a kick, to throw it off a bit.. but im
stuck, I've run out of music ideas.
I'm looking for suggestions on what I should buy. Im new to 4ad and
this list, and I havent heard of half of the bands you all talk about. im
really open minded to music and tend to prefer more unusual stuff and i
really like atmospheric type stuff (skylab#1, cocteau's "tinderbox", black
tape for a blue girl, "fyt" by this mortal coil) and i love HNIA's "home is
in your head" but that's about all ive really heard in this area of music.
any suggestions of what i should try? and i cant get anything that is really
underground since i have no access to good record stores....
Matt
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 00:48:56 -0500
Safety Dance went:
You can dance if you want to
You can leave your friends behind
'Cause your friends don't dance
and if they don't dance
Well they're no friends of mine
We can go where we want to
The night is young and so am I
And We can dress real neat from heads to our feet
and surprise 'em with a victory cry
Chorus was:
And we can dance...Dansez
We can dance we can dance
Everything's outta control
We can dance We can dance
They're doin' it from pole to pole
We can dance We can dance
Everybody look at your hands
We can dance We can dance
Everyone's takin' a chance
Its a safety dance
Its a safety dance
Its a safety dance
This is NOT the song I was referring to people!!!
Steven
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Steven Venn, bfa, Graphic Designer
Dalmatian Design Communications
139 Golfclub Court, Richmond Hill,
Ontario, CANADA L4C 5E1
(905) 884-2601
"Listen pal, you can't waltz in here, use my toaster
and start spouting universal truths without qualification"
- Jude from Hal Hartley's "Surviving Desire"
"Would you leave the lights alone please.
Stop flashin' the f**kin' lights"
-Future Sound of London on "ISDN"
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 21:38:25 -0800
I have the following CDs for sale. Make me an offer as to a trade.
All prices include postage in the US.
Future SOund of London - Accelerator (Hypnotic), with neato cover $9
Chemical Brothers - Loops of Fury EP (Astralwerks) $5
J Church - Quetzacoatl (Allied) $8
Galaxie 500 - 4th of July/Here She Comes CDsingle (Rough Trade) $11
Lush - Lovelife (4ad) $8
Bleach - Kiling Time (Dali) $8
Rocket From teh Crypt - Circa Now $(Interscope) $8
Halo Benders - God Don't Make No Junk (K) $8
Halo Benders - Don't Tell Me Now (K) $8
Prolapse - Backsaturday (jetset) promo $6
Helium - Superball EP (Matador) $5
Helium - The Dirt of Luck (Matador) $8
Rough Trade Music for 90s VOl. 3 (Wolfgang Press, Pixies, This Mortal
Coil, + others)
Respond to me at [email protected] and not the list. thanks
Brett
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 00:51:40 -0500
And no Tom it is not Dance Hall Days or any other Wang Chung song,
its alot more obscure than that. They might have only been a Canadian
local independent group and NO ITS NOT MEN W/O HATS!
Jeff Kiebel...they used to play it on CFNY man,
do you remember that song that I have referred to?
Steven
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Steven Venn, bfa, Graphic Designer
Dalmatian Design Communications
139 Golfclub Court, Richmond Hill,
Ontario, CANADA L4C 5E1
(905) 884-2601
"Listen pal, you can't waltz in here, use my toaster
and start spouting universal truths without qualification"
- Jude from Hal Hartley's "Surviving Desire"
"Would you leave the lights alone please.
Stop flashin' the f**kin' lights"
-Future Sound of London on "ISDN"
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 23:58:21 -0500
>>I went used Cd/record shopping and picked up some good stuff. I bought
>>Meat Beat Manifesto's "99%"....can someone tell me how this album rates
>>to their others....i personally like it a lot.
>
>"Storm The Studio" is the best one, I think. Four tracks, each of which
>appears in four very different versions. Very funky, very loud, great use
>of samples.
All of MBM's CDs are way ahead of their time, IMHO. I think Jack Dangers' style
as evolved significantly in the past two years, and the 2-disc set "Subliminal S
ndwich" is pure genius to my ears.
If I had to rank the albums....
"Subliminal Sandwich" > "99%" > "Storm the Studio" > "ARMED AUDIO WARFARE" >
"Satyricon"
Trainspotting bit: the Chem Bros and the Prodigy have in the past few years samp
ed beats from Storm the Studio, which came out way back in '89!
Want more info on MBM? Come join the rest of the Zombies at
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 00:41:47 -0500
>I think you're thinking of "The Safety Dance" (at least I think that's what
>it was called), by Men Without Hats. And I don't think he was singing "the
>dead can dance...", but rather "the safety dance". Something like that...I
>hate the song myself.
I'm a Canadian and I remember all too well the songs
of Quebec French Canadian new wave dance popsters
Men Without Hats. No it is not Men without Hats who did
this song, I ask again who did the the song where the lyrics
go "You know the Dead can dance, the dead can dance, the dead can dance,
you know the dead, the dead the dead can dance" It was done by an
obscure independent group who moved onto other things
after this one. I think this song came out arond the time that
Aion was out incidentally. there was a cheezy keyboard and
two guys singing.
Steven
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Steven Venn, bfa, Graphic Designer
Dalmatian Design Communications
139 Golfclub Court, Richmond Hill,
Ontario, CANADA L4C 5E1
(905) 884-2601
"Listen pal, you can't waltz in here, use my toaster
and start spouting universal truths without qualification"
- Jude from Hal Hartley's "Surviving Desire"
"Would you leave the lights alone please.
Stop flashin' the f**kin' lights"
-Future Sound of London on "ISDN"
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 00:02:50 -0500
>>I went used Cd/record shopping and picked up some good stuff. I bought
>>Meat Beat Manifesto's "99%"....can someone tell me how this album rates
>>to their others....i personally like it a lot.
>
>"Storm The Studio" is the best one, I think. Four tracks, each of which
>appears in four very different versions. Very funky, very loud, great use
>of samples.
Yes, STS was one of the few "perfect" Wax Trax albums. The majority of MBM's=
CDs are far ahead of their time, IMHO. Jack Dangers' style has evolved=
significantly in the past two years, and the 2-disc set "Subliminal=
Sandwich" is pure genius to my ears. I suggest getting it next, since it's=
such a great buy. Too bad you missed them on tour this year......
If I had to rank the albums....
"Subliminal Sandwich" > "99%" > "Storm the Studio" > "ARMED AUDIO WARFARE" >=
=20
"Satyricon"
Even those innovators (yah) the Chem Bros and the Prodigy have in the past=
few years sampled beats from Storm the Studio, which came out back in '89.=
=20
Want more info on MBM?
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 02:48:51 +0200
i hate to pollute the list, but i'm driving myself crazy trying to figure
out what groop does this 80's song that has a chorus that starts off with
a line like "...another episode of poison and... (?)" i know it's not
much to go on. the group almost sounded like the church.
any guess?
thanks
b.r.
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 22:03:42 PST
>Echo ("Heaven Up Here")...speaking of the
>bunnymen, their was also a used 12" EP for $1.50 which i didn't get. It
>was a live recording, and only had 4 songs. Is this good, too?
Sounds suspiciously like "Swedish Radio and the Big Beat". If it is, it has
Paint it Black Live which is brilliant. There is also another live EP wihich has
"do
it clean live". Both excellent, for $1-50 snap either up.
sir h C
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 07:05:20 -0500
>I went used Cd/record shopping and picked up some good stuff. I bought
>Meat Beat Manifesto's "99%"....can someone tell me how this album rates
>to their others....i personally like it a lot. Same with the St. Etienne
>album ("Fox Base Alpha"),
The follow-up to that, _So Tough_, is a bit more fully formed and adventurous.
Echo ("Heaven Up Here")...speaking of the
>bunnymen, their was also a used 12" EP for $1.50 which i didn't get. It
>was a live recording, and only had 4 songs. Is this good, too?
I've heard of this too, I think...I know they put out something like that
that was all acoustic and had a cover version on it, because a friend of
mine used to have it.
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 13:06:45 GMT
On Wed, 29 Jan 1997 22:03:42 PST, [email protected]
>>Echo ("Heaven Up Here")...speaking of the
>>bunnymen, their was also a used 12" EP for $1.50 which i didn't get. =
It
>>was a live recording, and only had 4 songs. Is this good, too?
>
>Sounds suspiciously like "Swedish Radio and the Big Beat". If it is, it =
has
>Paint it Black Live which is brilliant. There is also another live EP =
wihich has "do
>it clean live". Both excellent, for $1-50 snap either up.
Could be the early "Shine So Hard" EP that has "Zimbo" (A/k/a "All My
Colours"). If so, you could probably find a Bunnyfan who'd buy it for
more than $1.50, but it isn't much musically.
"Do It Clean" (live) was released on a couple of different EPs/singles
(I think) and is a must-get -- if you never saw them live, it captures
well the way they'd close concerts. The covers referred to above are
also good.=20
=20
There's a full-length official live CD, but it's relatively
uninspired.
Paul
Li solaus luist et clers et biaus
Et j'oi le dous chants des oisiaus
Ki cantent par ces arbrisiaus,
Entour moi font lour cans nouviaus.
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 09:11:16 -0500
you said a cheezzzzzy 80"s song!
the safety dance was by an equally horrible band called "men without hats."
i say equally horrible... as, wang chung, which was my guess.
Marie
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 10:36:52 EST
Yup,
BOTM member JJ Heldman is also a member of the band, Madison Electric
and label boss of Fantastik records. They have released
stuff by the Shaprios and Hem.
BTW, Farrago is hk's label, and he's all out of his early records (which
were supposedly his best). I thought the b side of "On Holdiay" (Their
7" on Quiddity) was good, the single as a whole paled compared to Q's
Cat's Miaow releases.
Matt
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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 09:34:35 +0500
Well, I am the 21 year old Colombian student who has been trying to
suscribe to this mailing list. I have a copy of Cindytalk's "Wappinschaw"
and I noticed there is list of several people, and there some of these
ones that I don't know who they are. Please e-mail me at this address :
[email protected]
So, this is the list. Who is and what have they done so particular to be
included in this shiva-manifesto:
- Ulrike Meinhof
- Wolfe Tone
- Hugh MacDiarmid
- Stuart Christie
- Ho Chi Minh
- John MacLean
Also, in the respect to list, they include the following people:
- Pascale Ogier
- Kathy Acker
- Dick Gaughan
- Louise Brooks
- Mary Margaret O'hara
- Robert Burns
- Ken Mcmullen
- Sade Abe
- Bill Douglas
- Basho
- John Pilger
- Hamish Mender4son
- Jeannie Robertson
- The Jaguar Smile
- Ewan Maccoll
- Alasdair Gray
- Macbeth Mac Findlaech
By the way, does any one know if any cindytalk's albums have been released
in America? I can tell that I searched for cindytalk for more than four
years until I was able to find copies of Wappinschaw and In this world in
a local record store, believe it or not.
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 07:38:22 -0800
could it be Specimen?
On Thu, 30 Jan 1997, section25 wrote:
> i hate to pollute the list, but i'm driving myself crazy trying to figure
> out what groop does this 80's song that has a chorus that starts off with
> a line like "...another episode of poison and... (?)" i know it's not
> much to go on. the group almost sounded like the church.
>
> any guess?
> thanks
> b.r.
>
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 11:53:40 -0500
could someone please post a mini-review of velour 100, along with the
relationship to his name is alive
much appreciated
christian
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 08:12:58 -0800
>
>By the way, does any one know if any cindytalk's albums have been released
>in America? I can tell that I searched for cindytalk for more than four
>years until I was able to find copies of Wappinschaw and In this world in
>a local record store, believe it or not.
well, I bought camoflauge heart at a record store in america, and it wasnt
an import so Im assuming they have released cindy albums in the states.
camoflauge heart is good, but it seems to me it could have been so much
better. it had a lot of potential, but it didnt get used. oh well, maybe Ill
find gordon sharp's masterpiece someday.
Matt
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 11:15:37 -0500
Steven Venn wrote:
> And no Tom it is not Dance Hall Days or any other Wang Chung song,
> its alot more obscure than that. They might have only been a Canadian
> local independent group and NO ITS NOT MEN W/O HATS!
> Jeff Kiebel...they used to play it on CFNY man,
> do you remember that song that I have referred to?
I can't recall, Steven. This is not the first time a band has dropped a
4AD band name within one of their songs. I'll ask some of my record
store buddies if they have any idea...
Jeff
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 11:59:28 PST
On Thu, 30 Jan 1997 09:11:16 -0500 [email protected] writes:
>you said a cheezzzzzy 80"s song!
>
> the safety dance was by an equally horrible band called "men without
>hats."
> i say equally horrible... as, wang chung, which was my guess.
>
>Marie
>
um...u ever listen to "to live and die in l.a."?
tom w
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 16:58:57 +0000
On 30 Jan 97 at 15:58, Andrew Norman wrote the following about Re: Cindytalk que
Well Andrew has done most of the ones I know, except:
>
> > - Stuart Christie
> ?
A British anarchist, who published quite a few things in his times.
He worked with the recently deceased grand old man of British
Anarcho-syndicalism & anarchism Albert Meltzer. Had something to do
with those Angry Brigade people (but with out checking can't be sure
what). He is perhaps best known for his sadly (IMHO and lots of other
people's HOs) failed attempt to assasinate General Franco. I think
that's all correct, any mistakes I have made I apologise for.
Richard
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 13:40:41 EST
> could someone please post a mini-review of velour 100, along with the
> relationship to his name is alive
>
> much appreciated
>
> christian
>
here's my mini mini review (i have faith that someone will post a longer
one... on this list it never fails),...
great great female vocals in a 4ad manner meet melodic indie rock..
trey many, the drummer from his name is alive, is also the drummer for velour
100..
if you get the chance to pick up fall sounds, do not pass it up.
its on heavy rotation in my cd player.
-=robn
([email protected])
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 12:19:25 -0800
Marie wrote:
>> i say equally horrible... as, wang chung, which was my guess.
Tom Weibrecht replied:
>um...u ever listen to "to live and die in l.a."?
I have, unfortunately. Your point being...?
[It still amazes me how the most pathetic crap will, after spending some
well deserved time in the junk heap, start to come back in style. (The
Church Of the SubGenius calls this phenomenon "bulldada".) Like all the
1970s nostalgia, the bell bottoms and Adidas shirts and center-part
hairdos being worn by teenage fashion victims who never had the horror of
living through the actual 1970s. And now the apologists for lame 80s
nth-generation derivative nu-wave pop music come out of the woodwork.
C'mon, 4AD was great in those days because it was an _alternative_ to
that kind of cheez-wizz. If you hate Alannis Morisette or the Macarena
now, I guarantee you would have hated all these bands back then.]
Ignore my ranting. My blood sugar is low, time for lunch. I'll just go
and hum something by Wham! or Kajagoogoo while I microwave my risotto...
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 14:40:40 -0600
[email protected] wrote:
> BOTM member JJ Heldman is also a member of the band, Madison Electric
> and label boss of Fantastik records. They have released
> stuff by the Shaprios and Hem.
Fantastic Recs has also released 7"s by #Poundsign# and Schrasj. Aim yr
browsers towards http://www.grfn.org/~initgrl/fantastic/ and pay 'em a
visit. I dunno how relevant their releases are to this list, but I
personally endorse them. :)
> BTW, Farrago is hk's label, and he's all out of his early records (which
> were supposedly his best).
I dunno, as reluctant as I've been in the past about saying anything about
anything that I've released, I've gotta throw in my $0.02 here and say that
the early Buddha recordings on Farrago do _not_ represent my "best" work.
In fact, a lot of it is rough-hewn, shabby, unfocussed, and... well, not
very good.
The later stuff ("Yardsale" single onwards) is less rough-hewn, not quite
so shabby, better focussed, and not as bad. Actually, I'm quite proud of
the Imaginary Friend (a botm side project) 7" that just came out on
Drive-in, and there's a few other cool Buddha releases due out in the near
future, but that's gratuitous self-promotion which usually gives me the
hives, so I'll stop before I really break out into a rash.... :)
Cheers,
hk
--
[email protected] [email protected] http://www.neosoft.com/~hk/home.htm
"buddha on the moon, a cumbersome name for a band, really...." - john peel
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 17:09:41 +0000
digest
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 17:31:20 EST
---something I almost missed:
> after the low show last night (definitely go see them...
> amazing. they were dropped by caroline(idiots) in the
> u.s. a couple of days ago along with just about everyone
> except versus)
Ummmmm...anyone got any *specific* details on this?
---Jeremy
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 17:18:52 -0500
While the movie world may be shaken up with all those new reissues of
the Battlestar Gallactica series that Spielberg has been tinkering with,
it's easy to forget that January 31st is also the release date for Kevin
Spacey's "Albino Alligator", which has a soundtrack by 4AD's Michael
Brook. This date is when it opens in Toronto at least...
Also, for Canadian Throwing Muses fans, Denon has set a release date
here for the "Freeloader" EP of February 4th.
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