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Subject: Orange birthday
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 19:05:10 -0800
From: nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Re: mucho music FS
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 20:08:36 -0500
From: "Cheryl H. Korn" (Sugargirll@AOL.COM)
Subject: swans book
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 02:59:19 -0500
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Low, Swans, US Maple, AMP
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 00:50:12 -0500
From: trouble child (jna@RETINA.NET)
Subject: Lush??
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 00:32:57 PST
From: La Casa de Pereza (scalliha@CONC.TDS.NET)
Subject: Fwd: (amb) Insides/Boymerang
Date: 97-01-15 07:19:56 EST
From: pol.santacana@bcn.servicom.es
Subject: David Sylvian Connection to 4AD
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 21:24:49 PST
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: Win oodles of RHP stuff!!!!!!!!
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 23:12:52 -0500
From: kanga and lisa roo (roo@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: GusGus
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 09:03:40 +0000
From: "'H'y" (hmc4@YORK.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: gus gus
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 10:01:46 PST
From: Tom Weibrecht (tweibrecht@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: andie macdowell convinces me that...
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 00:25:41 -0600
From: oteran (oteran@SHRIKE.DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Velour100 electronic newsletter #1
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 22:07:37 -0600
From: David Burton (jdb@MYRIAD.NET)
Subject: Limited edition 4AD CDs
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 23:56:00 -0500
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: swans
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 00:25:52 -0600
From: oteran (oteran@SHRIKE.DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: Re: swans
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 00:00:42 +0000
From: Greyson Welch (slugdady@GULF.NET)
Subject: Re: Swans
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 12:42:01 -0500
From: jawolfe (jawolfe@INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: BBQ sauce
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 23:39:41 -0500
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Low, Swans, US Maple, AMP
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 17:17:23 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Re: Tsunami
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 21:54:57 +0000
From: starlite walker (ma6so@BATH.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Lush?
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 17:42:04 EST
From: Daniel Yoshinari (nomail@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Tsunami
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 21:34:04 EST
From: Matthew t DeBellis (loomer5@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: v23 / Vaughan Oliver Books
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 18:34:28 +0100
From: Laurent LAPIERRE (lapierre@FILNET.FR)
Subject: mucho music FS
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 16:35:08 -0500
From: sAI-O-nara (skong@IC.SUNYSB.EDU)
Subject: Re: Low, Swans Concert
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 00:32:38 +0000
From: Greyson Welch (slugdady@GULF.NET)
Subject: Re: opinions wanted>>opinions provided
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 21:59:52 -0800
From: Snarlo (repetti@UCLINK4.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: very small sale
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 08:31:23 -0600
From: "William B. Tubbs" (wbt60@earthlink.net)
Subject: Re: Swans
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:39:00 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: muzik sites o' the year
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 16:42:10 +0100
From: Jon Kvebaek (jkv@A.SOL.NO)
Subject: Re: swans
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 10:04:25 -0500
From: jawolfe (jawolfe@INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Spain
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 13:07:08 EST
From: "C.K. Coney" (violaine@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: the letter U and the numeral 2
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 18:56:30 CST
From: o-o-o (gruisinger@CCTR.UMKC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Limited edition 4AD CDs
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 13:32:54 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Low, Swans Concert
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 13:58:57 EST
From: "C.K. Coney" (violaine@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: ?rosewater elisabeth?
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:41:47 EST
From: "C.K. Coney" (violaine@JUNO.COM)
Subject: trade off
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:00:00 EST
From: Cameron Webb (cameronw@CIDM.WH.SU.EDU.AU)
Subject: Re: trade off
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 09:28:59 -0800
From: Alex Wolfson (ajw6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: the letter U and the numeral 2
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 10:10:15 -0800
From: Heather Murray (s0071593@GBC.GBROWNC.ON.CA)
Subject: this mortal coil
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 10:48:51 EST
From: SnowGlassApples (aleppo@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: muzik sites o' the year
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 12:38:56 +0500
From: Jose Enrique Plata Manjarres (j-plata@UNIANDES.EDU.CO)
Subject: Re: opinions wanted>>opinions provided
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 08:08:13 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: His Name Is Alive tour...
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 18:05:19 -0500
From: fourAD (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Ivy remixes
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 03:11:51 EST
From: Jeremy L Orr (j.orr@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: the letter U and the numeral 2
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 20:40:29 +0100
From: nrbyram@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU
Subject: Re: Low, Swans Concert
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 02:45:55 -0600
From: raven (raven1@PCOK.COM)
Subject: Re: swans
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 12:45:24 -0500
From: jawolfe (jawolfe@INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Limited edition 4AD CDs
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 14:46:46 +0000
From: Richard Clemens (R.Clemens@UNIVERSITY-MANAGEMENT.SALFORD.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: muzik sites o' the year
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 01:28:26 +0100
From: Renzo Leon (camelot@DMA.BE)
Subject: Re: Tarnation's Mirador
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 14:24:55 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Gus Gus in Reykjavik
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 15:10:37 EST
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: OT: A part of me is about to die :(
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 13:44:48 -0500
From: Michael Hauben (hauben@cs.columbia.edu)
Subject: Re: Low, Swans Concert
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 13:55:08 -0500
From: "James P. Crimm" (jcrimm@ZOO.UVM.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lush?
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 17:45:43 PST
From: Matthew King (matt1013@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: opinions wanted
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 20:20:59 -0500
From: kanga and lisa roo (roo@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: Lush?
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 20:08:04 -0800
From: com@AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Sally's Photographic Memory
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 01:34:01 +-200
From: Eitan Shavit (eitan@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: Re: opinions wanted>>opinions provided
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 17:52:41 -0800
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: rare 4AD sale
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 11:34:34 -0800
From: nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Re: opinions wanted>>opinions provided
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 23:59:02 -0500
From: kanga and lisa roo (roo@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: BIGNEWS!!BIGNEWS!!
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 03:35:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Samantha Wallace (slw@interport.net)
Subject: Re: Low, Swans Concert
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 12:00:08 EST
From: "C.K. Coney" (violaine@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Spain
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 00:59:36 +-200
From: Eitan Shavit (eitan@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: Swans periods
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 13:49:54 -0500
From: "James P. Crimm" (jcrimm@ZOO.UVM.EDU)
Subject: the letter 2 and the numeral u
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 17:31:21 -0500
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Hector Zazou
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 12:12:35 -0500
From: Christian Hasiewicz (106345.2727@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: Hector Zazou
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 16:51:36 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: DCD/Ian McCullough
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 13:48:54 -0800
From: Matthew Greer (megreer@UCDAVIS.EDU)
Subject: low?
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 08:12:26 +0000
From: Geoffrey Elgey (elgey@FIT.QUT.EDU.AU)
Subject: Re: Low, Swans, US Maple, AMP
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 14:38:19 -0500
From: Scott David Anderson (humgiant@USER1.CHANNEL1.COM)
Subject: Re: DCD/Ian McCullough
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 19:24:08 -0600
From: jcleveland@CLANDJOP.COM
Subject: Re: DCD/Ian McCullough
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 20:28:01 -0500
From: Read Dawkins (jeheindl@AMHERST.EDU)
Subject: Re: DCD
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 20:47:43 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Re: the letter U and the numeral 2
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 10:42:44 -0800
From: Jon Scarborough (lockjaw@linex.com)
Subject: Lush?
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 14:02:02 PST
From: La Casa de Pereza (scalliha@CONC.TDS.NET)
Subject: Re: Ivy remixes
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 09:43:28 -0700
From: David Edward Sargent (des3@DANA.UCC.NAU.EDU)
Subject: Re: muzik sites o' the year
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 12:22:14 EST
From: "C.K. Coney" (violaine@JUNO.COM)

Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 19:05:10 -0800
From: nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Orange birthday


Sonya Waters from our long defunct band Orange
has her birthday on February 10. I think it would be a cool
surprise if all of you who liked the CD sent her a birthday card.
If you'd like to be part of this, please send a card to the address
below and I'll forward it unopened to her in New Zealand.
Be sure to mark it c/o Sonya Waters.

Brant

|    Dewdrops Records     | Splashed With Many A Speck |
| 12515 Pacific Ave. #106 |   A Dewdrops Compilation   |
|  Los Angeles, CA 90066  |        Winter 1997         |
|   www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html   |

      > Uncommon music that deserves to be heard <

Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 20:08:36 -0500
From: "Cheryl H. Korn" (Sugargirll@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: mucho music FS


hi....i'm in bklyn too!

i am interested in heavenly bodies, red house painters (does it have
"medicine bottle"?) and aphex twin..... pls let me know if they are still
available and if you are ever in manhattan or near greenpoint (i am really
broke and want to avoid shipping)

thx!

- cheryl
718-349-8419
Sugargirll@aol.com


Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 02:59:19 -0500
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: swans book


pat wrote:

   >>>Is the Gira book fiction or non-fiction? I love Swans AND Low.


the gira book is fiction but i think drawn from at least some personal
experience. so fiction with a dose of reality buried deeply within.

the book - "the consumer' is published by 2.13.61 and if i am not mistaken
that is henry rollins' (of black flag and spoken word performance fame)
publishing house. there is a phone number to call if you want to order the
book

(213)-969-8043

Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 00:50:12 -0500
From: trouble child (jna@RETINA.NET)
Subject: Re: Low, Swans, US Maple, AMP


On Sun, 26 Jan 1997, Steven Venn wrote:

> Any word on this tour hitting Toronto in the near future?
> Its been awhile since RHP so I need a new slow and  sullen
> music fix.

I have to say one thing about the Swans live - They're absoultely horrible.

I saw the show on Saturday in Boston (well, actually somerville, at the
Somerville theater) and they just can't reproduce what they do on album
live. The album does the band so much more justice, and I'd of had a
terrible time at the show if not for the fact that my girlfriend and I
spent the entire show complaining and falling asleep. Bleh. I'm glad
they're not touring anymore. I don't want to see them again.

(this is all, of course, my opinion, and you can take it at face value.)

-john

Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 00:32:57 PST
From: La Casa de Pereza (scalliha@CONC.TDS.NET)
Subject: Lush??


     Hulloa!  Sorry about the encrypted message; some sort of MIME glitch=
.
     The message went something like:  Has anyone seen or heard anything =
about Lush in the aftermath of Chris's death?  That is, anything other =
than the European tour cancellation.  A possible sighting of Emma, Miki, =
or Phil mucking about in London?  I must know; Emma is the reason I picke=
d up a guitar.

Thanks,
Inspector Callihan

"Because prison labor is state enterprise, it doesn't contribute to priva=
te profit...But locking women into factories where they burn to death con=
tributes to private profit."      -Noam Chomsky

Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 03:36:59 -0500
From: Jason Bryant (Srilank@AOL.COM)
Subject: Fwd: (amb) Insides/Boymerang


---------------------
Forwarded message:
From: pol.santacana@bcn.servicom.es

Date: 97-01-15 07:19:56 EST On a recent magazine from Spain, I read that Insides were working in their new material, but they don't give any date. Did anybody know if they are really working on it? is ther any realease date? Any information wellcome. And another question, is there any compillation of Boymerang singles in CD format (not Boymerang songs on a compillation by various artists, but just Boymerang). Thanks. pol -pol.santacana@bcn.servicom.es-

Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 21:24:49 PST
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: David Sylvian Connection to 4AD


>woo-hoo! more sylvian more sylvian! I hardly think that japan is not thislisty!
>ok, here's a kevin bacon-esque connection... David Sylvian was in Japan,
>and he worked on Hector Zazou's Rimbaud project with our very own Lisa
>Gerrard and Brendan Perry of 4AD Dead Can Dance... there! there's the
>legitimacy (sic).

That is rather roundabout -
The direct approach is v23 doing the sleeves for two (I think) of his albums.

sir h C

Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 23:12:52 -0500
From: kanga and lisa roo (roo@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Win oodles of RHP stuff!!!!!!!!


Spotted in the University of Houston's Daily Cougar and herewith provied
for you contest entering pleasure courtesy of the folks at roo  (...er,
me!)


********************************
 "Click to H&R BLOCK to play H&R ROCK!!"
 (www.hrblock.com/tax/college)

"Get off your keester and head for the nearest computer with Web access.
Enter H&R Block's  'H&R Rock" Sweepstakes at www.hrblock.com/tax/college

--"Tons 'o' prizes AWARDED DAILY"

--"20 cd's AWARDED DAILY from one of the college circuit's hottest new-bands,
  the Red House Painters."

--"10 cd's AWARDED DAILY from those hapenin' cats at PolyGram Records, Inc."

--"Red House Pinters t-shirts with room to move AWARDED DAILY"

"WHAT A GRAND PRIZE!"
--"If you're lucky enough to have your name drawn as the Rand Prize Winner,
you'll recieve an all-expense paid trip to see Red House Painters,
including air fare, hotel, limo to and from the concert and two front row
tickets. Hey, while we're in the giving mood, we'll even throw in some
spending dough."

"Enter today! H&R ROCk ends 3.10.97"
****************************************

I am in no way connected to any of these peole nor do I work for them.  I
had to put all of the informaiton in quotes because it was just too
cheesy.. Can you imagine taking a limo to and from a RHP concert? or how
about the "one of the hottest new bands on the college circuit" bit? They
just tried way too hard.
But go ahead, I wish you goodspeed. Take em for all their worth!!!!

and "esp" was a clue in the crossword puzzle that day. coincidence, or fact? ;)
lisaroo.

Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 09:03:40 +0000
From: "'H'y" (hmc4@YORK.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: GusGus


I managed to get the Gus Gus Promo of Believe.
3 tracks - A remix by LFO, Original Version and a Premix by one of the
members of the band.
Luckily inside there were some photocopied sheets that the record pluggers
send to record shops. It contained the plans for Gus Gus for the next few
months basically that 4ad will be promoting the band quite heavily with
features in almost rock mag/paper and lots of play on the radio
(including Pete Tong/Danny Rampling) . Videos on MTV (on rotation and a
news item) and the ChartShow (UK sat morning childrens show).
The album will be reviewed in March so I guess its out around then.

As for the music. Excellent.  I think Gus Gus are one the best signings
the label has
made for a long long long while.

'H'
Bubblewrap can be heard at:

Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 10:01:46 PST
From: Tom Weibrecht (tweibrecht@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: gus gus


not that anyone should care, but mtv's AMP program broadcasted the
subject's "polyesterday" video...will b repeated friday (actually sat.)
at 2:00 am...

tom w


Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 00:25:41 -0600
From: oteran (oteran@SHRIKE.DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: Re: andie macdowell convinces me that...


>
>released, possibly because Gregg Araki's previous films sucked (I saw
>only "The Living End" which is on my top ten worst ever list), but
>someone I respect said nice things about it, so I saw it last weekend,
>and was more than pleasantly surprised (except for the end). This
>Mortal Coil figure in the plot, sort of.
>
>Paul
>
>
i agree.  This movie has been slammed many times in this list, and, while i
agree it's not a 'great' movie, i thought it was entertaining (except for
the end, which almost ruined the whole movie experience).
oteran
oteran@shrike.depaul.edu

---------------------------------------
"I know what I like, I like Fritos"
Reba McEntire
---------------------------------------

Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 22:07:37 -0600
From: David Burton (jdb@MYRIAD.NET)
Subject: Re: Velour100 electronic newsletter #1


LYRICS
MERCH
BIO

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 23:56:00 -0500
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Limited edition 4AD CDs


posted by Horst in Throwing Music feedback...

I just received word from 4AD Mail Order that they have found a small
quantity of Throwing Muses 'University' limited edition CDs (the one in
the red slip case) and also of the Belly 'King' CD (the 6x8" book). The
order numbers are CADD5002CD and CADD 5004CD respectively; there are
about 60 of each left, and they're sold at the regular price of 12
pounds. Their address, in case you don't have it, is PO Box 3813, London
SW18 1XE, UK.

************************
|    Jeff G. Keibel    |
| Scarborough, Ontario |
|        CANADA        |
************************

e mail:  redshift@interlog.com

Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 00:25:52 -0600
From: oteran (oteran@SHRIKE.DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: Re: swans


At 12:45 PM 1/23/97 -0500, you wrote:
>It also seem odd that at their show they seemed to be openly exploitive,
>charging $20 for their new CD when it can be bought for $16-18 by retail
>scum. The tshirts weren't that great, etc. I'm not sure what all that was
>about but the concert was excellent, and that wasn't to bad price wise.
>Jes
>
>
Although their new cd wasn't cheaper than at a store, i wouldn't call a
$2/$3 difference 'openly exploitive' (sp?).  Around me, the new cd is
selling at $19-$20 (plus tax).  Moreover, on the last tour, they were
selling their individual CDs (Gira's or Jarboe's) for $10 each, which is a
few dollars cheaper than i've ever seen either of them new.  I guess it's
their last chance to make some $.  :)
oteran
oteran@shrike.depaul.edu

---------------------------------------
"I know what I like, I like Fritos"
Reba McEntire
---------------------------------------

Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 00:00:42 +0000
From: Greyson Welch (slugdady@GULF.NET)
Subject: Re: swans


Greetings...

> It also seem odd that at their show they seemed to be openly exploitive,
> charging $20 for their new CD when it can be bought for $16-18 by retail
> scum. The tshirts weren't that great, etc. I'm not sure what all that was
> about but the concert was excellent, and that wasn't to bad price wise.
> Jes

                Really?  I bought one of the shirts with the "Visualize Total
Annihilation" written on it.  I thought it was rather cute.  Overall I
didn't think it was over-priced for the cd "Sountracks for the Blind"
which came autographed by both Michael Gira and Jarboe, what I did
think was strange was that on their web-site, to order the same cd
signed was $60.00 (i believe).  This doesn't make any sense to me and
I was wondering if in fact it was an odd joke of some sort.  Anyhow,
they were great live, and if anyone has a copy of Michael Gira's book
and feel the need to sell it or get rid of it, I'll take it off your
hands (seriously).

Yours in Truth-
Greyson Welch


Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 12:42:01 -0500
From: jawolfe (jawolfe@INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Swans


On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, Geoffrey Elgey wrote:

> G'day,
>
> >I've heard "The Great Annihilator" (I'm not too sure about spelling
> >either). And it is much more bombastic than the post "Burning World" Swans.
> >It's on Invisible Records which may be part of the reason. I recomend it
> >but if your into more mellow stuff get "White Light (in)to? the Mouth of
> >Infinity" That's also a good one. But then agian I'm pretty fond of most
> >of their stuff, but the early stuff goes a bit to far into self-loathing
> >for me to want to listen to a lot.
>
> I bought Swan's 'Children of God' double LP back in the day...In fact, I
> listened to it just last week before this thread started up. It's the only
> Swans I own though. What's their latest stuff like? This one was all S-L-O-W
> and deathly vocals. But by the above post, have they mellowed out a bit?
>
> Thanks,
> Geoff
>
Yes and no, the Children of God recording is slow in a dirge like
"banging your head agianst a wall underwater" sort of way, where Burning
world" and "White Light ... " were slow in an acoutstic more etheral way,
Gira's voice is still creepy though.

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 23:39:41 -0500
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: BBQ sauce


In an unusual move, Beggars Banquet Records Limited has decided to
renegotiate their overseas licensing deals.  It seems Martin Mills would
rather have his label distributed via independent channels.  Which
means, in Canada at least, instead of new Bill Janovitz and Swell albums
going through PolyGram, they will be released through Koch
International.  Beggars Banquet now has a full US office in NYC and new
US releases are graced with a fresh Beggars logo.  Although Martin is
also co-director of 4AD, Ivo will still keep his various licensing deals
in tact as is.  In Canada, 4AD has enjoyed fifteen years of distribution
from PolyGram while Warner Bros./Reprise has handled 4AD in the US since
early 1992.  Ivo has seen his dream of a single US distributor come
true, save for Throwing Muses and Tanya Donelly, who are handled
uniquely by Rykodisc and Reprise respectively...

************************
|    Jeff G. Keibel    |
| Scarborough, Ontario |
|        CANADA        |
************************

e mail:  redshift@interlog.com

Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 17:17:23 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Re: Low, Swans, US Maple, AMP


Any word on this tour hitting Toronto in the near future?
Its been awhile since RHP so I need a new slow and  sullen
music fix.

Anyone have any reviews or going to the US Maple show
at Lee's tonight?

Steven

P.S. Amp...buy it? Any kudos? I love FSA and Movietone so...

**************************************
Steven Venn, bfa, Graphic Designer
Dalmatian Design Communications
139 Golfclub Court, Richmond Hill,
Ontario, CANADA L4C 5E1

(905) 884-2601


"Listen pal, you can't waltz in here, use my toaster
and start spouting universal truths without qualification"
                               - Jude from Hal Hartley's "Surviving Desire"

"Would you leave the lights alone please.
Stop flashin' the f**kin' lights"
                               -Future Sound of London on "ISDN"

Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 21:54:57 +0000
From: starlite walker (ma6so@BATH.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Tsunami


On Sat, 25 Jan 1997, Matthew t DeBellis wrote:

> Tsunami had a video on 120 minutes?????  missed that, i guess.  Tsunami
> is none other than Jenny Toomey's rock band, Jenny of former 4ad band
> Liqourice.  They released two albums, a bunch of singles and comp.
> tracks, and a 3rd CD which compiles these singles.  They are pretty good,
> however i've always liked their cover songs a bit more than the
> originals.  Still a good band.  Tsunami went on hiatus because one of the
> memebers went back to school, i think.  they nshould be getting back
> together soon...

it was a really cool video, lots of those blurry out of focus lofi shots.
mainly it was the band ice-skating whilst trying to play their guitars
with big thick gloves on, jenny toomey with that big smile and hat she
always wore.

was licorice just a one off then?, this would be a shame

Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 17:42:04 EST
From: Daniel Yoshinari (nomail@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: Lush?


On Fri, 24 Jan 1997 17:45:43 PST Matthew King  writes:
>If anyone can translate this into English, I'd like to hear what this
>person has to say about Lush.
>-Matt
me too!!!!   what do I need to decode this????????????????


>On Fri, 24 Jan 1997 14:02:02 PST La Casa de Pereza
> writes:
>>DQpIdWxsb2EhICBCZSBvbiBndWFyZDsgSSdtIG5ldyB0byB0aGlzIGxpc3QuDQpUaGlzIGlz
>>IG1vc3RseSBmb3IgdGhvc2Ugb2YgeW91IHJlc2lkaW5nIGluIEVuZ2xhbmQod2lzaCBJIHdh
>>cyB0aGVyZSkuICBJcyB0aGVyZSBhbnkgbmV3cyBjb25jZXJuaW5nIEx1c2ggaW4gdGhlIGFm
>>dGVybWF0aCBvZiBDaHJpcydzIGRlYXRoPyAgQW55IHNwb3R0aW5ncyBvZiBFbW1hLCBNaWtp
>>LCBvciBQaGlsIG11Y2tpbmcgYWJvdXQ/ICBJIG11c3Qga25vdzogaXQgaXMgYmVjYXVzZSBv
>>ZiBFbW1hIHRoYXQgSSBwaWNrZWQgdXAgYSBndWl0YXIuDQoNClRoYW5rcywNCkluc3BlY3Rv
>>ciBDYWxsaWhhbg0KDQoicmVwaXRpdGlvbiBicmVlZHMgaW5lcnRpYSIgIC0gRG91Z2xhcyBD
>>b3VwbGFuZA==
>>

Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 21:34:04 EST
From: Matthew t DeBellis (loomer5@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Tsunami


Tsunami had a video on 120 minutes?????  missed that, i guess.  Tsunami
is none other than Jenny Toomey's rock band, Jenny of former 4ad band
Liqourice.  They released two albums, a bunch of singles and comp.
tracks, and a 3rd CD which compiles these singles.  They are pretty good,
however i've always liked their cover songs a bit more than the
originals.  Still a good band.  Tsunami went on hiatus because one of the
memebers went back to school, i think.  they nshould be getting back
together soon...


hope this helps...

matt

Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 18:34:28 +0100
From: Laurent LAPIERRE (lapierre@FILNET.FR)
Subject: Re: v23 / Vaughan Oliver Books

A16951

>Jose Enrique Plata Manjarres  writes:
>
>>  2. Is there any possibility of finding a book containing a selection =
of
>> v23 and Vaughn and Oliver=A5s work?
>
>Yes. The book "This Rimy River" should be available. Ask in a decent
>bookstore. I don't have my copy here, so maybe someone could provide
>the ISBN number?

_This Rimy River_ ISBN is 0 9524216 0 7

You could try to find the previous xhibition catalogue, _Exhibition /
Exposition_,
(1990, Nantes and 1991, Paris), 2nd edition: ISBN 2 908267 05 5.

It's may be still available trough mail Order:

CRDC - BP 389 - 44 013 Nantes Cedex 01 - FRANCE

                       ___
Laurent Lapierre      |-,-|    . . . e n i v r e z - v o u s . . .
lapierre@filnet.fr    | - |    [words BaudelairE  music StereolaB]

Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 16:35:08 -0500
From: sAI-O-nara (skong@IC.SUNYSB.EDU)
Subject: mucho music FS


below is a lot of stuff I want to rid of.
Excuse me if a lot of it does not belong on this list
however, there are quite a few that do and might be of interest to you
ie. the Hyperium, Projekt, 4AD .....
too much $$$, give me a try

ARRYTHMIA 2- Left Hand Right Hand, Life Garden, Mobius Operandi, Voice of
Eye, Crash Worship, Randy Grief, Illusion of Safety, Trance and others
(Charnel House) new/wrapped $11
DRY LUNGS 4- Gerogerigegege, Controlled Bleeding, Paul Lemos, Dissecting
Table and others (Subterranean) new/wrapped $12
DOSSIERS- rare and unreleased tracks from Controlled
Bleeding, Paul Lemos, J.A.T.H., Chrome, Front Line Assembly, Delerium, Noise Uni
,
Vanishing Heat, Vampire Rodents. $12
MELT- Beequeen, Lee Renaldo, :Zoviet France:, Drome,
Hanatarash, Gerogerigegege, Merzbow, Fat Hacker, Master/Slave Relationship
and others.(Work in Progress) $13
OUT THERE- vinyl 4 lps. Coil, :zoviet France:, Horizon 222, PWOG, Black
Dog, Chris and Cosey + mucho others $28
SOUND FROM HANDS- Sigillum S, Skullflower, M.T.T. Mauro, Grey Wolves,
Pacific 231, Ramleh, Blackhouse, Nightmare Lodge, Cindytalk, Phallus Dei,
Jouissance, M/S Relationship. (Minus Habens) $14
CONTINUUM ABSORBUS- Tobias Hazan, Scott Gibbons, Pierre Berthet, Brigida
Romano and others. (Sub Rosa) $10
ALPHABET CITY- Elliot Sharp, Zeena Parkins, David Shea, Beautiful People
ltd and others doing NYC soundtrack. (Sub Rosa) new/wrapped $9


ARTE DEFAKTO- "DesConsruction" (Opcion Sonica) new $9
A SPLIT SECOND- "Vengeance C.O.D." (Hypnobeat) $10, "Coloseum Crash" (Wax
Trax) $3
ASMUS TIETCHENS- "Funaraes Marches" (Multimood) $13
ATTRITION- "the Hidden Agenda" (Hyperium) $12
BAUHAUS- "Rest in Peace" 2xcd 1st edition $20
BELLY- "Baby Silvertooth" (4AD Japan) new/wrapped full length $12
BLIXA BARGELD- "Commissioned Music" (EGO) German edition $14 new
BOURBANESE QUALK- "The Government is my Soul" (FUNFUNDVIERZIG) $14
C.Brotzman/F.M. Einheit- "Merry Xmas" $12
CABARET VOLTAIRE- "Live at the Lyceum" (Grey area of Mute) $7
CANCER BARRACK- "Lebon" (Hyperium) $10
CARBON/ELLIOT SHARP-  "Tectonics" (Atonal) $12, "K!L!AV!" $10
CHANDEEN- "Jutland" (Hyperium/Rough Trade) $12
CHAPTERHOUSE- "Blood Music" (BMG Germany) $10
CHROME- "Having a Wonderful Time in the Juice Dome" (Dossiers) $12
new/wrapped
CLOCK DVA-  "Thirst" (Contempo) $11
CODE INDUSTRY- "Structure", "Method of Assembly" (Antler Subway) $7 each
CON DEMEK- "Happy Ordeal" (Dirter prod/Charnel House) $7
CONTROLLED BLEEDING- "Fodder Song" $4, "Bladder Bags
and Interludes" (Vanilla Japan) $14, "Body samples" (Dossiers) vinyl $34,
"Songs From the Drain (Dossiers) $12,
CONTROL REMOTO 1.0- 5 tracks Esplendor Geometrico + 6 tracks Most
Significant Beat (Apocalyptic Vision) new $15
CONTROL REMOTO 2.0- 5 tracks Dosezero + 5 tracks Most Significant Beat
new/wrapped $15
CRANIOCLAST- "Iconclastar 1" (Musica Maxima Magnetica) $12
CURRENT 93- "Crooked Crosses for the Nodding God" new/wrapped $15, "Earth
Covers Earth" $12, "Swastikas for Goddy" $12
DEATH IN JUNE- "Burial" $12
DIE FORM- "Tears of Eros" $5,"Silent Order" $4 both Hyperium
DROME- "Final Colonisation of the Unconscious" (WigWam) $12
Etant Donnes- "L'Autre Rive/Le Sens Positif 2xcd ltd 800 Cloth packaging
(Staaplaat) $40
FAD GADGET/FRANK TOVEY- "Incontinent", "Gag",
"Under the Flag" $8 each.  "Grand Union" $4
FIRE AND ICE- "Blood on the Snow"  $4
F.M. EINHET/Andreas Ammer- "Radio Inferno" (EGO) German edition/text $14
FOETUS- "Male" 2xcd (Big Cat uk) $16
GAWK(Marc Sloan of Carbon)- "Gawd" (Invisible) promo $4
JEFF GREINKE- "Timbral Planes" (Linden Music) new $12
HAFLER TRIO- "bang!" $12 "All That Rises Must Converge" $12,
"Redintegrate" $12
HAUJOBB- "Freeze Frame Reality" (OffBeat) $8 cover but no track listing
HEAVENLY BODIES- "Celestial" (C'est la Mort) out of print $10
HELIOS CREED- (Your Choice Live Series Germany) new/wrapped $15
HEX- "Vast Halos" $8, no title-1st cd $5
HIS NAME IS ALIVE- "Livonia", "Home is in Yor Head", "Mouth to Mouth",
"Stars on ESP" all US new/wrapped $10 each
HUNTING LODGE- "8 Ball" (Normal) $10
HYBRIDS- "Rythm of the Ritual" $10
IN THE NURSERY- "L'esprit", "Sense" $9 each
JO TRUMAN- "Sdreamings" (Staalplaat) $12
Henry Kaiser/Kuriokhin- "Popular Science" new/wrapped $10
KLANGE- "Heart/Hertz Files" (Minus Habens/Hypnotic) $9
LAB REPORT- "figure X-71" $7
DIVINATION (Laswell, Musso and others)- "Ambient Dub vol 1" cd + cd rom. $8
LAIBACH-  "Sympathy for the Devil", "Occupied
Europe Tour"  "Nova Akropola" (Cherry Red uk) $12, no title (NIKA Dist.) $12,
Ljubljana-Zabgreb-Bedgrad (NSK/Grey Area of Mute uk) $12- 1st Laibach
recordings, "Sympathy for the Devil" $8
LULL (aka M.Harris/Scorn)- "Cold Summer" $8
MEAT BEAT MANIFESTO- "Subliminal Sandwhich" 2xcd $15
MELLONTA TAUTA- "See Feel"  (Hyperium/Rough Trade) $12
MIRANDA SEX GARDEN- "Sunshine" ep (Mute uk) includes alternate version of
"Muff Diving Size Queen" from Derek Jarman "Blue" film $6
MONTE CAZZAZZA- "Power vs Wisdom" (Side Effects) new $12
NATIONAL RAZOR- "Stem of Thorns" $8
NICK CAVE AND THE BAD SEEDS- "Henry's Dream" $9
NIK TURNER- "Sphynx" $7, "Space Ritual" 2xcd $13
NOCTURNAL EMMISSIONS- "Binary Tribe" (Staalplaat) $12, "Viral Shedding" $13
(Dark Vinyl), "Befhelnotstand" (Dark Vinyl) new/wrapped $15, "Blasphemous Rumour
" (Staalplaat) gold tin
case w/cd embedded in a ton of salt $24
JAGGER NAUT- "White Man" (Atonal/Dossiers) $8
LOVE SPIRALS DOWNWARD- "Ardor" (Projekt) $10 new/wrapped
NADA- "Awkward y Borracho Core del Todo" (Charnel House) $7 or
new/wrapped $9
the NAKED APES(Luc Van Acker)- "Back to Civilisation" (Antler Subway) $10
N.D.E(HaruOmi HoSono+G.Hotoda+Laswell+Y.Terada)- "Antilles" $10
NICO- "Peel Sessions" $7
ORDO EQUITUM SOLIS-"Solstitti Temporis Sensus" (MMM) $12
JIM O'ROURKE- "Tamper" (Extreme)$12, "Disengage" (Staalplaat)2xcd $18,
O'Rourke/Henry Kaiser "Tomorrow Knows Where You Live" (VICTO) $18
PAINKILLER (Zorn/Scorn/Laswell) "Execution Ground" 2xcd $16
P.CHILDREN- "Documentation 87-92" (Charnel House) $7 or new/wrapped $9
PHALLUS DEI- "Luxuria" (Paragoric/Dark Vinyl) cd/cd rom $12, "Metacrates"
ep $5, pHd2- "Universum" (ATM) $12
PHENOMYNA- "Applied Rythmic Technology" (ART Records) $13
POISIE NOIRE- "Marianne" (Antler Subway) $10
PREMATURE EJACULATION- "Estimating the Time of Death" (XXX) $7, "Anesthesia"
(Dark Vinyl) $12
PSYCHICK TV- "Mein*goETT*IN*GEN" new/wrapped (Dossiers) $12- an oldie, "Peak
Hour" (TOPY) $10
Rapoon- "Vernal Crossing" (Staalplaat) $10, "Dream Circle" (DOVe) out of
print $20
RED HOUSE PAINTERS- slf titled promo $5 (4AD)
PAUL SCHUTZE-  "Deus Ex Machina"   Extreme/Normal and long out of print.
$28
RISE AND FALL OF A DECADE- You or Sidney (Hyperium/Rough Trade) $10
RIUICHI SAKAMOTO- "Left Handed Dream" (Plexus Holland) $20, "Esperanto"
(MIDI Japan) $25
SCORN- "Lick Forever Dog" ep $5
SHEEP ON DRUGS- Best of $7
SHINJUKU FILTH(THIEF)- "Junk" (Dorobo) $11
SILENCE GIFT- "bju-ty [the skin is broken by tears]" (Hyperium/Rough
Trade) $10 or new/wrapped $12
SILVERFISH- "Organ Fan" $6, "Damn Fine ep" $3
SLEEPING DOGS WAKE- "Understanding" earliest stuff (Hyperium/Rough Trade) $12
SOCIAL INTERIORS (Rik Rue+Shane Fahey)- "The World Behind You"
(Extreme/Discordia) $12
SOFT CELL- "The Art of Falling Apart", "The French Album", Marc and the
Mambas- "Untitled",  Dave Ball- "In Strict Tempo" (J.Balance+Bee as
models, Genesis P. and Gavin Friday on vocals) all Some Bizarre and I
think out of print. $15 each
SOW (Thirlwell+R.Watts+Anne Widdicombe) "Je M'aime"  (Hyperium) $10 or
new/wrapped $12
SPK- "Gold and Poison" $9
STEROID MAXIMUS (Foetus/Raymond Watts+others)- "Quilombo" (Big Cat uk) $12
STOA- "Urthona"(Hyperium/Opcion Sonica) new/wrapped $12, "Porta VIII"
(Hyperium/Projekt) new/wrapped $10
SUCKING CHEST WOUND- "God, Country" (DOVe) out of print $10
T.A.G.C.- "Burning Water" (Side Effects) $10, "Digitaria" orig Sweatbox
cd release $18
TANGERINE DREAM- "The Collection" (Castle Communications France) $8
T.G.V.T.- "Rinde Humano" (Flabbergast) $12
THANATOS- "This Endless Night Inside" (Projekt) $10
THIS MORTAL COIL- "Filigree and Shadow" double lp vinyl M- $12, "It'll
End in Tears" new/wrapped $10
THROBBING GRISTLE- "Heathen earth", "TGCD1 live","Live 79-80" $9 each.
"Gift Gas" (Dossiers) $12
VOMITO NEGRO- "Dare", "Shock", "The New Drug" (Kk) $10
X-MAL DEUTSCHLAND- "Tocsin" (4AD) $10, "Devils" M vinyl (Metronome) $30
YASNAIA(Hybrid)- "Orion" (World Serpent) $9
ZION TRAIN- "Dance of Fire" (China Rec/Pinnacle uk) $5
JOHN ZORN- "Masada: Hei" $15, "Kristillnacht" (eva) $15


*JAPANESE*

CHAOS OF THE NIGHT- Improvised concert w/ Monte Cazzazza, CCCC and Trance $12
EL MALO- "Justice Ruin Dem" (Toys factory) $6, "Color" (Toys Factory) $6,
"the Worst Universal Jet Set" (Bellissima! Japan) $14
GEROGERIGEGEGE-  "Senzuri Power Up" (Vis A Vis) $25,
"Endless Humiliation" (Vis A Vis) $13, "Singles 1985-1992" (Work in
Progress) $13 very WET!
KK Null- "Absolute Heaven" (NUX) $9
LENINGRAD BLUES EXPLOSION (Tabata of Zeni Geva)- (NUX) $7 cover but no
track listing
MERZBOW- "Ecobondage" $9, "Metalodrome" 3cds new/wrapped $99
MONDE BRUITS- "Selected Noise Works 91-93" (Endorphine) $7
NULL/O'ROURKE- "New Kind of Water" $10
NULL/MERZBOW- "Deus Israe" $10
OTOMO YOSHIHIDE/JOHN KING/DAVID MOSS- "All at Once and at any Time" (VICTO)
live improvisation $18
RUINS-HATOBA (Boredoms+Ruins)- no title $9
SPACE STREAKINGS- "7-Toku", no title (NUX) $7 each
ZENI GEVA- "Desire for Agony" $7, "Live in Amerika" $7
ZOVIET FRANCE- "Popular Soviet Songs" 3xcd + kool packaging $28

*Ambient techno/Intelligent Dance Music*

APHEX TWIN- "Ventolin" double cd set. $12 (WARP uk) part 1+2 of 2 part series
The FRUSTRATED- "the Anthology of eXperimental Music" (Disturbance/Minus
Habens) $10
Future Sound of London- "ISDN" (US)$10, "ISDN" (ebV uk) black digipack
w/kool photos + velcro! $14, "Ramblings of a Madman and Son of a Lung"
(WARP uk) 4 track ep $5, Amorphous Androgenous- "Tales of Ephridina" $9.
FUSE(aka R.Hawtin)-"Dimension Intrusion" (WARP uk) $8
THEORY OF EVOLUTION- Jedi Knights, Reload + others. (WARP uk) $6
RICHARD H.KIRK- "Virtual State" (Warp)$12, "The Number of Magic"
(Warp/Wax Trax)$9 or (Warp uk) $12, Electronic Eye- "Closed Cicuit" (Beyond
uk)2xcd $18
DIN- "Fantastic Planet" $9 (DOVe), "Decade of the Brain" $8
VIRTUALIZER- (ZZO Germany) $10  (Hypnotic) $7
ZERO GRAVITY- "Space Does not Care" (Hypnotic) $7

*the Rest*

BATTERY- "Mutate" $5
DIGITAL POODLE- "Soul Crush", "Noisea", "Elektronik Espionage",
"Division!"  $7 each
KMFDM- "NAIVE", "NIHIL", "ANGST", "UAIOE" $6 EACH.  "Sucks" uk $3
PANKOW- "Freedom for the Slaves", "Gisela" $4 each
LIGHTS OF EUPHORIA- $6
MINISTER OF NOISE- "Voodoo Soul" $5
STEREO TAXIC DEVICE- "100 per Day" $5

Sorry but due to time constraints, I can't answer requests such as track
listings, lengthy reviews etc
All cds play perfectly, if not new.
In US and Canada:
for post + nice padded envelopes etc
add $2 for 1 cd, $3 for 2 cds, $.50 each after
others we'll work out something
all funds in US
Money orders get merchandise sent immediately (get your stuff in a week)
Checks will have to get cleared first (get your stuff in 2-2+1/2 weeks)

send/make out to

Sai Kong
1968 East 16th St
Brooklyn NY 11229

Thanks for your time!

Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 00:32:38 +0000
From: Greyson Welch (slugdady@GULF.NET)
Subject: Re: Low, Swans Concert


Greetings...

> Well, actually, I think I'm ready to make that scramble...so, which
> titles do you consider to be "must haves"?
>

                Well, I recomend strongly that you check out the following:

Greed/Holy Money- the brutalness of the early material works into a
faster pace, even dance oriented in vague kind of way.  Still pounding
and angry but in a dark numb kind of way.  A bit more on the
industrial side, Jarboe's keyboards start to make their mark on the
music.

Love of Life- Actually where they started to mellow down, still dark
and slighty uneasy, but more of a grating dullness than a ball-pein
hammer to the dome.  The track "Amnesia" is quite excellent.

Michael Gira- Drainland- more recent solo project, a return to some of
the agression of early period but a lot cleaner.  This one is like a
stick poking you in the eye at times, but it pauses to poor salt in
your wounds now and again.  The track "Blind" is very haunting and
beautiful.

White Light from the Mouth of Infinity- definately more mellow than
everything from the early period, but it retains some rolling
percussion at points, it's got a lot of acoustic guitar and keyboards.
The track "Failure" is a slow drudging folk-song, sounding almost like
something you'd hear if you worked in a coal mine in the 1800's, but
more on theedge of insanity.  Bloody good track.


The Great Annihilator-  A return to the earlier sound after a
particularly strange period, whereing "the burning world" was
released.  I've only heard "The Burning World" once, and wasn't
terribly interested at the time, but I might perhaps like it at this
point.  This period was a lot of folk-oriented material, some of it
almost country sounding.  The "Great Annihilator" was a refreshing
updating of their early sound.

Soundtracks for the blind- Double cd, very nice, atmospheric at times,
quite mellow at points and equally as disturbing.  A wide variety of
material here, but most don't really seem like songs, but fragments
transplanted into a strange flowing river of ambience.  This I would
get after the rest.

Filth- Their first album, quite good.  Very brutal and noisy, pounding
drums, their most aggressive material.  The cd "Body to Body, Job to
Job" is outakes, 24 track recordings and other early rarities, and it
is very much like Filth.  I recomend it as well if you're really in to
this early sound for tracks like "Mother by Body Disgust me," but I do
have to say the sound quality is sketchy at times.

I could keep going, but this should keep you busy for now.  The Swans
have been together for almost 15 years now, and it's interesting to
see the varying musical directions they went in.  Michael Gira is
starting a new project called, but their name escapes me at the
moment.  I'm curious to see where he's going now.

Yours in Truth-
Greyson Welch

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 21:59:52 -0800
From: Snarlo (repetti@UCLINK4.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: opinions wanted>>opinions provided


>ok, of the following bands/groups/artists/whatever, i'm interested in
>getting some of their stuff. so what i'd like is either a list of the good
>albums, the representative albums, or the albums to avoid. thanks in
>advance and i hope this is thislisty enough for ya's.
>coil
>loop
>ryuchi sakamoto
>japan
>psychic tv

Here's my opinion:

Coil-"Love's Secret Domain": a classic of electronic derangedness, with
guest vocals by Marc Almond & Annie Anxiety...makes Marilyn Manson look like
Hootie & the Blowfish (but it in NO way sounds like Marilyn's death
metal/NIN retreads).  Songs about LSD, death, homoeroticism, prostitution,
and "Teenage Lightning" (an obscure reference to a print by Max Ernst which
seems to mean sexual intercourse of course).

Loop-never liked them.

Ryuichi Sakamoto-His "Neo Geo" album has a great song, "Risky", with vocals
from Iggy Pop.  Soundtrack to "The Last Emperor" is good, and some of his
Yellow Magic Orchestra stuff was good ("Naughty Boys"), and his
collaborations with David Sylvian ("Bamboo Music/Bamboo Houses", "Forbidden
Colours", "Taking Islands in Africa" from Japan's "Gentlemen Take Polaroids"
album).  His production of Virginia Astley's "Hope in a Darkened Heart" is
really lovely, with swirling synthetic strings throughout.

Japan-Quiet Life, Gentlemen Take Polaroids, Tin Drum: These are all some of
my all time favorites...they increased in musical refinement pretty
drastically from one album to the next in a very brief period of time (the
earlier two albums are great if you like trashy New York Dolls glam).  They
are still pretty much a guitar oriented band with a lot of electronic
flourishes on "Quiet Life", but once "Gentlemen Take Polaroids" comes along
it's Satie/Sakamoto/Asian-electronic heaven, and even BETTER blue eyeliner
to go along with it.  "Tin Drum" is their masterpiece, possibly titled after
Gunter Grass' novel of the same name, but COMPLETELY influenced by of all
things (for a band named Japan no less!!!) China and Chinese
musics..."Canton" is instrumental perfection, "Talking Drum" and "Still Life
in Mobile Homes" truly fascinating in their skewed rythms.  Japan is also
one of the best bands ever to really highlight the bass (like early
PiL)...What more can I say?  Buy one of their discs and you will realise how
horribly Duran Duran ripped them off (in a very insufficient way at that!).

Psychic TV-They have probably 8 million albums so beware!  Most are really
quite bad...this is a band that has gone through many musical styles and has
never lived up to what I thought was it's pinnacle of promise in the
mid-80's, to become a truly great pop band with a singer with a pierced
penis (AND with former members of Throbbing Gristle, a very important but
vastly overrated band).  Their masterwork in my estimation is "Dreams Less
Sweet", which is a fascinating collage of music not unlike "Home is in Your
Head" by HNIA.  It is both beautiful, soothing, and scary as hell.  At times
it's like good Philip Glass, The Beach Boys (they beat HNIA by about 14
years!!!), and at others it is like Monte Cazazza (who makes a guest vocal
appearance via telephone) or a tame almost poppy version of a song like
"Discipline" by Throbbing Gristle.  Also good is "Force the Hand of Chance"
with guest vocals by Marc Almond (again), which is also pretty "poppy" for
them.  FINALLY, the "Hex Sex" compilation is great too for stuff like "The
Papal Breakdance" and "Godstar".

Hope this all helps--it was just pretty scary that you asked about so many
artists I really love!!!

Peter


Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 08:31:23 -0600
From: "William B. Tubbs" (wbt60@earthlink.net)
Subject: very small sale


I've got a few thing here for sale or trade.  E-mail me privately if
you'd like to bid on any of these.

Cocteau Twins - Lullabies - BAD 213 - Minimum bid = 5.00
Cocteau Twins - Bluebeard - US CD - Minimum bid = 5.00
Various Artists - All Virgos Are Mad - 45789 - Minimum bid = 15.00

I would also consider trades or partial trades for any of the following:

Lush - Gala - CAD 0017 CD
Throwing Muses - Red Heaven (Ltd. Ed.) - CAD D 2013 CD
Various Artists - Lilliput - CD
Various Artists - 13 Year Itch - CD
Various Artists - 13 Year Itch (NTSC Video)
Various Artists - You Can Rely On Toast - CD
The Wolfgang Press - Funky Little Demons (Ltd. Ed.) - CAD D 4016 CD
The Wolfgang Press - A Girl Like You - BAD 2006 CD

Thanks,

Bill

Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:39:00 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Swans


>Yes and no, the Children of God recording is slow in a dirge like
>"banging your head agianst a wall underwater" sort of way

There are some quieter moments on "Children Of God", including the
gorgeous "In My Garden" which any CT/TMC/DCD fan will dig mightily.
There's another very pretty song where Jarboe sings about drowning her
lover...

Lots of that classic Swans
"Thud.
Grind.
Thud.
Grind.
Grind.
Pause.
Thud."
stuff, too, of course. Sort of like the Stooges played at 16rpm (jeez I
just dated myself!)

What I find interesting about the album is the lyrical focus -- it's
basically Christian Rock of a very dark, negative, Calvinist flavor. All
about how loathsome and sinful we are and how God is going to doom us to
eternal torment*. I've had the album for nine years now and I'm _still_
not sure whether they're being sincere or not.

*nothing about "quivering" or "there is no butter in Hell", though.

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Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 16:42:10 +0100
From: Jon Kvebaek (jkv@A.SOL.NO)
Subject: Re: muzik sites o' the year

              12:38:56 +0500
A20023

Jose Enrique Plata Manjarres  writes:

>  2. Is there any possibility of finding a book containing a selection o=
f
> v23 and Vaughn and Oliver=B4s work?

Yes. The book "This Rimy River" should be available. Ask in a decent
bookstore. I don't have my copy here, so maybe someone could provide
the ISBN number?

>  4. Is there any possibility of finding a box set containing all of the
> Pixies and Breeders E.P=B4s?

I don't think anything has been released of that sort.

>  6. Which bands and artists have good quality recordings of their conce=
rts
> and presentations? I mean bootleg recordings. Not the one from Lush sol=
d
> by KTS which has a horrible sound quality.

Well, I have a couple of Pixies bootlegs with fairly good sound. One's
from KTS(?), called "Velouria Live", and the other one is called "Black
Diamonds" - which is a collection of various studio sessions.

> 14. This Mortal Coil=B4s first release, "Sixteen Days Gathering" has be=
en
> released in America as a C.D. Which artists are featured?


=ABSixteen Days - Gathering Dust=BB is a combination of the the Modern
English tracks. Featuring Michael Conroy (Modern English), Elizabeth
Fraser (Cocteau Twins), Robin Guthrie (Cocteau Twins), Gary McDowell
(Modern English), Gordon Sharp (Cindytalk) and Martyn Young
(Colourbox). Sleeve by 23 Envelope.  Recorded at Blackwing. =ABSixteen
Days - Gathering Dust=BB written by Modern English.

(from http://www.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/eyesore.html)

> 22. Two or more opportunities I sent the card for obtaining a copy of t=
he
> label=B4s catalog. A local recordstore has a copy of it. But where are =
mine?
Patience, my son. They tend to spend som time processing their mail
orders ;)

--
"Wrinkled earlobes are a sign of impending heart attacks."

Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 10:04:25 -0500
From: jawolfe (jawolfe@INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: Re: swans


On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, oteran wrote:

> At 12:45 PM 1/23/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >It also seem odd that at their show they seemed to be openly exploitive,
> >charging $20 for their new CD when it can be bought for $16-18 by retail
> >scum. The tshirts weren't that great, etc. I'm not sure what all that was
> >about but the concert was excellent, and that wasn't to bad price wise.
> >Jes
> >
> >
> WARNING: THIS MESSAGE SPLITS HAIRS!!
> Although their new cd wasn't cheaper than at a store, i wouldn't call a
> $2/$3 difference 'openly exploitive' (sp?).  Around me, the new cd is
> selling at $19-$20 (plus tax).  Moreover, on the last tour, they were
> selling their individual CDs (Gira's or Jarboe's) for $10 each, which is a
> few dollars cheaper than i've ever seen either of them new.  I guess it's
> their last chance to make some $.  :)
> oteran
> oteran@shrike.depaul.edu
>
> ---------------------------------------
> "I know what I like, I like Fritos"
> Reba McEntire
> ---------------------------------------
>
Ah, it take a lot more than that to split my hair, your right about 2-3
bucks being no big deal, but hey to me that's a meal and bacuse I'm a
broke college i can get sort of annal at times.  And I was tempted just
because I'd rather see Gira and Co. get the money directly rather than
some store but I well, I was broke at the show too. And yes, their prices
for the T shirts and stuff were not that bad, $12 is a great price, even
if I didn't like the shirt. I guess I was just bitter about not getting
my paycheck until after the show and not being able to buy anything.
However, I did get the Jarboe CD at the last show, and haven't seen it
anywhere since.  So I'm happy about that.

Jes
"There's nothing more dangerous than a man with nothing to prove, nothing
to live for, nothing to lose" DCD.

Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 13:07:08 EST
From: "C.K. Coney" (violaine@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: Spain


On Sat, 25 Jan 1997 00:59:36 +-200 Eitan Shavit 
>I know this was on the list a long time ago, and I can't remember who
>=
>wrote that a new Spain album will be released on Verve.
>>From what I've recently heard from the Restless people, Spain has
>signed =
>a three album deal, so there are at least two more albums until they =
>could release one on another label.

It would shock me if Spain got a deal with Verve, which is a jazz label.
By the way, last weekend I went to the Verve Jazz Festival in Atlanta,
and the Charlie Haden Qrtet. performed. It's astonishing how much Charlie
Haden, and his son Josh who fronts Spain, are total look-alikes! Same
mannerisms, too.

By the way, in an article or program notes it said  that Charlie Haden
has covered one of son Josh's tunes, accompanied by Pat Metheny.

Carol


Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 18:56:30 CST
From: o-o-o (gruisinger@CCTR.UMKC.EDU)
Subject: Re: the letter U and the numeral 2


>what's the going rate for negativeland's U2 cd? there's one here in town
>for $25. anyone want me to get it for them? i've already got mine. i also
>just picked up "guns" for 2.99! eat that...
>in case you're not familiar w/ negativeland, they make sound/voice/noise
>collages from other media and occassionally put it to some cool beats and
>what have you. very subversive at times which has gotten them into quite a
>bit of trouble. it's all good, bro.
>dave


Well, I saw a CD copy for sale in Portland for US$150.  It may be a bootleg, or
some other kind of "reproduction".  I know that cassette dubs are easy to
obtain.
--gary

Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 13:32:54 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Limited edition 4AD CDs

              97 11:56:00 pm

 Jeff Keibel  wrote on Thu, 23 Jan 1997
 (Subject: Limited edition 4AD CDs)
 > posted by Horst in Throwing Music feedback...
 >
 > I just received word from 4AD Mail Order that they have found a
 > small quantity of Throwing Muses 'University' limited edition CDs
 > (the one in the red slip case)

 There are shops all over the UK still with copies of this - I don't
 think it can have been very limited, or perhaps "University" didn't
 sell very well.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England
nja@le.ac.uk

Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 13:58:57 EST
From: "C.K. Coney" (violaine@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: Low, Swans Concert


On Mon, 20 Jan 1997 10:02:16 -0500 jawolfe  writes:
>On Sun, 19 Jan 1997, C.K. Coney wrote:
>
>> There's a live show featuring Low & the Swans coming  here, and I'm
>> wondering if I should brave the howling winter winds to venture out.
>I
>> don't have & haven't even heard these two bands, I humbly confess.
>
>If you don't go you will be kicking yourself a lot!  I've seen the
>Swans
>a couple years back,
>it was an incredible and frightening experience.  I'm going again
>tommorrow.
>Jes
>
Thank you everyone...I'm going to the show, and I'm counting the days!
(jan 29 at Variety Playhouse, Atlanta, ya'll!)

Carol

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:41:47 EST
From: "C.K. Coney" (violaine@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: ?rosewater elisabeth?


On Wed, 22 Jan 1997 22:17:22 +0000 starlite walker 
>ive heard some of you mention this band before in the general context
>of -
>as someone put it: CT/early hnia/love spirals downwards/dead can
>dance/love is colder than death; - by the way my reason for all of
>this is
>that if i want rosewater elisabeth ill have to get it shipped from the
>US
>so its not just your simple =A314 job - anyway my point is that the
>above
>list of bands is rather ambigous according to my taste in that i love
>CT/early hnia/LSD, i like early DCD but cannot stand some of their
>later
>stuff and do not like LICTD at all. you see my dilema?, can someone be
>more specific as to where rosewater elisabeth fit into all of this
>confusion - i dont want to miss out on anything great but i dont want
>to
>spend loads of my dwindling money supply on something im going to
>hate.
>
>understand?  =20
>thanks.
>
I don't like them, and believe me, I'd really love  to like them, cause
there are so few decent bands playing around Atlanta, where I live, and
where Rosewater has re-located. And by the way, I love CT, DCD, HNIA, and
don't like Love Is Colder...or any of the other Projekt bands.

Good luck!

Carol

Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:00:00 EST
From: Cameron Webb (cameronw@CIDM.WH.SU.EDU.AU)
Subject: trade off


Unfortunately a lot of my cds are suffering from "over listening" and
its time to move on. The following are some cds I'd like to trade.
(since I'm all the way over here in Australia I'd much prefer  to
trade then sell)

THROWING MUSES University
THROWING MUSES Red heaven
KENDRA SMITH Five ways of disappearing
UNDERGROUND LOVERS leaves me blind
LUSH Spooky
DIRTY THREE Sad & Dangerous
RIDE Grasshopper ep (Japan)
JESUS & MARY CHAIN Vengeance (live album)
BUFFALO TOM Sleepy eyed (promo stamped)
MAGIC DIRT Signs of satanic youth

With the exception of Ride and Red heaven all are Australian editions
although I doubt the track listings differ.

Some of the bands whose releases I'd be interested in trading are...

His Name Is Alive (just about anything)
Velour 100
Red House Painters
Smog
Grenadine
Scenic
Half String
Stereolab
Flying Saucer Attack
Gorkys Zygotic Mynci

I'd be willing to trade for a whole range of other stuff too, let me
know. As usual, responding to me personally is less likely to annoy
the list.

Hope to hear from you,
Cameron.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Cameron Webb
Medical Entomology
Westmead Hospital/University of Sydney
WESTMEAD NSW 2145
(02) 9845 7548
cameronw@cidm.wh.su.edu.au
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 09:28:59 -0800
From: Alex Wolfson (ajw6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: trade off


Cameron Webb wrote:
>
> Unfortunately a lot of my cds are suffering from "over listening" and
> its time to move on. The following are some cds I'd like to trade.
> (since I'm all the way over here in Australia I'd much prefer  to
> trade then sell)
>
> JESUS & MARY CHAIN Vengeance (live album)

> Some of the bands whose releases I'd be interested in trading are...
>
> His Name Is Alive (just about anything)i have livonia to trade.  Interested.

alex
--

Alex Wolfson
Associate Director
Columbia Institute for Tele-Information
809 Uris Hall
New York, NY 10027-7004
212/854-4222
212/854-4368 (direct)
212/932-7816 (fax)
ajw6@columbia.edu

Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 10:10:15 -0800
From: Heather Murray (s0071593@GBC.GBROWNC.ON.CA)
Subject: Re: the letter U and the numeral 2


Speaking of Negativeland, is there anyone who knows where I can get a copy
of their video including "David, where are my cigarettes?"? I saw it once
(and completely transcribed it - it took a while) about 5 years ago, and
not since!!

Koshka

On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, o-o-o wrote:

> >what's the going rate for negativeland's U2 cd? there's one here in town
> >for $25. anyone want me to get it for them? i've already got mine. i also
> >just picked up "guns" for 2.99! eat that...
> >in case you're not familiar w/ negativeland, they make sound/voice/noise
> >collages from other media and occassionally put it to some cool beats and
> >what have you. very subversive at times which has gotten them into quite a
> >bit of trouble. it's all good, bro.
> >dave
>
>
> Well, I saw a CD copy for sale in Portland for US$150.  It may be a bootleg, o

> some other kind of "reproduction".  I know that cassette dubs are easy to
> obtain.
> --gary
>

Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 10:48:51 EST
From: SnowGlassApples (aleppo@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: this mortal coil


does anyone know if the this mortal coil box set is still available anywhere?
any place in the ny/nj/pa area or anywhere through mailorder would help..
thanks
-=robn


Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 12:38:56 +0500
From: Jose Enrique Plata Manjarres (j-plata@UNIANDES.EDU.CO)
Subject: muzik sites o' the year


 Well, I received a mail from Nina Hagen=B4s mailing list about the music
zines of the year. There was this address, so if this is a mailing
list, please suscribe me. My name is Jose Enrique Plata M. I am 21 year
old Colombian economics and law student at the Universidad de Los Andes
here in Bogota. I am longtime fan of bands and artists like : The Cocteau
Twins, Pixies, Lush, The Breeders, This Mortal Coil, Matt Johnson, The
Wolfgang Press, The Birthday Party, Colourbox, Xmal Deutschalnd, Unrest,
Air Miami, Dead Can Dance, Pale Saints, Kirstin Hersh, His Name is Alive,
The Happy Family, Belly, Throwing Muses, and some others.=20
I have the following questions. Please help me.
 1. Is the Cocteau Twins single box set still available in the United
States. A friend of mine saw the eropean version in Vienna and it was
really expensive. Is there a big diffrence between them?
 2. Is there any possibility of finding a book containing a selection of
v23 and Vaughn and Oliver=B4s work?
 3. Has the e.p of the Twinstwistle Brass band ever released in America.
Also is there a C.D. version of the Pale Saint=B4s E.P that has a "hidden
track"?
 4. Is there any possibility of finding a box set containing all of the
Pixies and Breeders E.P=B4s?
 5. Which bands have Peel sessions besides the Cocteau Twins, Xmal
Deutschland and The Birthday Party? Are they available somewhere?
 6. Which bands and artists have good quality recordings of their concerts
and presentations? I mean bootleg recordings. Not the one from Lush sold
by KTS which has a horrible sound quality.
 7. Is there a big difference between Unrest=B4s Imperial FFRR release in
America and the U.K.?  Besides the Portrait, is there a difference between
the track listing? Should I buy the American or the British Version?
 8. Where can I speak with Ivo about a local band in here who has been
working for more than eight years and whose influences include: Pixies,
Cocteau Twins, New Order, Bela Bartok and The Cure?
 9. Which bands have toured or been "incognito" in South America,
especially in my country: Colombia?
10. Air Miami=B4s Me.Me.Me. release states that there are more Air Miami=B4=
s
releases in cassette. All though they are offered by Teenbeat, has any one
heard them?
11. Is there any possibility of finding a copy of the American release of
all This Mortal Coil=B4s box set called 1983-1981 now?
12. Has any band or artist released a C.D.Rom with 4ad? Are there plans to
release one?
13. Has any one heard a band called Tsunami and another one called The
Glee Club?
14. This Mortal Coil=B4s first release, "Sixteen Days Gathering" has been
released in America as a C.D. Which artists are featured?=20
15. Whatever happened with the girls from Xmal Deutschland. Was the Peel
Sessions recordings their last one?
16. Is Ivo married, who can make a biography of him? This is because I
want to write an article of the label and I would like to get this
information.
17. Is there any possibility of making a "Son of This Mortal Coil" as Ivo
said in 1993?
18. Has there been some other release of 4ad posters in these years?
19. Where can I find the Lilies release? I=B4ve been searching for it for
more than two years and it is impossible to find it.
20. Is the Guernica sublabel still functioning?
21. Is there some independence between 4ad America and 4ad U.K.?
22. Two or more opportunities I sent the card for obtaining a copy of the
label=B4s catalog. A local recordstore has a copy of it. But where are mine=
?      =20


  Please wrtite soon. Thanx for your help.

  Jose Enrique Plata M.
  Economics and Law Student
  Universidad de Los Andes
  Bogota, Colombia=20
  South America

  E-mail: j-plata@uniandes.edu.co

Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 08:08:13 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: opinions wanted>>opinions provided


Snarlo  writes:

> Hope this all helps--it was just pretty scary that you asked about so many
> artists I really love!!!

What was even more scary was that I agreed totally with all you said.

Ooohh, reading your article gives me this incredible urge to dig out
"Tin Drum" by Japan.  ...  Ah!  "Once I was young / Once I was
smart".  It's an absolutely brilliant album, but I haven't played it
for half a year or so, for some reason.

It's really a must-have album.

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 18:05:19 -0500
From: fourAD (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: His Name Is Alive tour...


For those in the Vancouver area, check this out if you can...

HIS NAME IS ALIVE
Vancouver, BC
Feb. 19
Starfish Room
(604) 682-4171

************************
|    Jeff G. Keibel    |
| Scarborough, Ontario |
|        CANADA        |
************************

e mail:  redshift@interlog.com

Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 03:11:51 EST
From: Jeremy L Orr (j.orr@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Ivy remixes


Hey.

On a whim, I stopped at a Blockbuster Music yesterday to browse through
the CD singles, and found a CD by Ivy that I'd never seen or heard of
before.  It's a single for "I Hate December (remix)"; and although it is
credited to Ivy, it's on Scratchie Records (Chicago), rather than their
usual label, Seed.  Apparently, three fellows put together the two
remixes.  The first is actually pretty cool - they stay very true to the
original (the way remixes used to be done back in the 80's), keeping the
bass and the guitar parts pretty much intact...in fact, at 2:40, it
clocks in at only 6 seconds longer than the original.  Track 2 (extended
remix) is just a 4:39 version of the first, with "clever" vocal
rearrangements that are actually really irritating.  Pass.  And track 3
is the original, just as it appeared on their _Lately_ EP.  Overall, it's
pretty cool, kind of as if Meat Beat Manifesto had done a really slick
remix of it.  The only real difference are the added drum loops (which
I've heard before on Xymox's cover of "Dancing Barefoot", among others)
and other kinda typical dance-music quirks, such as organ.  But after the
novelty wears off, I doubt I'll ever listen to it much again.

Sorry, maybe not properly thislisty, but I figured there were surely
other Ivy fans out there.  The copyright date was '96, so if it's
actually old news, well, then...oops.

There's also a new single out by former 4AD-ers Frazier Chorus.
Apparently, some outfit called Pure Records, Ltd. (original, eh?) is
going to release _Wide_Awake_ (which was originally released in the UK
back in the summer of '95) here in the US.  The original version of
"Driving" pretty much *sounds* like classic Frazier Chorus; the song
itself is pretty boring, but I must admit, the absence of Kate Holmes'
backing vocals and Chris Taplin's nifty guitars isn't as obvious as I'd
feared.  The remixes are much more stripped down and house-ish, as if
they're hoping to have a EBTG-esque dance hit with it.  Interesting once,
not so interesting the second time, though...

---Jeremy 

Lt Worf, after awakening from an alternate reality: "Are we still
married?"
Counselor Troi: "Yes."

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 20:40:29 +0100
From: nrbyram@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU
Subject: Re: the letter U and the numeral 2


>>what's the going rate for negativeland's U2 cd? there's one here in town
>>for $25. anyone want me to get it for them? i've already got mine. i also

>
>Well, I saw a CD copy for sale in Portland for US$150.  It may be a bootleg, or
>some other kind of "reproduction".  I know that cassette dubs are easy to
>obtain.

I have a copy this which came (I think) in a copy of CMJ magazine.  The CD
has yellow squares on it.  If anyone wants this for $17 (postage included)
let me know....

Neshtikin

Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 02:45:55 -0600
From: raven (raven1@PCOK.COM)
Subject: Re: Low, Swans Concert


just out of curiosity- I saw them in Oklahoma City 2 1/2 weeks ago. Were
any of you there?

Raven
----------------
At 6:32 PM 01/23/97, Greyson Welch wrote:
>Greetings...
>
>> Well, actually, I think I'm ready to make that scramble...so, which
>> titles do you consider to be "must haves"?
>>
>
>                Well, I recomend strongly that you check out the following:
>
>Greed/Holy Money- the brutalness of the early material works into a
>faster pace, even dance oriented in vague kind of way.  Still pounding
>and angry but in a dark numb kind of way.  A bit more on the
>industrial side, Jarboe's keyboards start to make their mark on the
>music.
>
>Love of Life- Actually where they started to mellow down, still dark
>and slighty uneasy, but more of a grating dullness than a ball-pein
>hammer to the dome.  The track "Amnesia" is quite excellent.
>
>Michael Gira- Drainland- more recent solo project, a return to some of
>the agression of early period but a lot cleaner.  This one is like a
>stick poking you in the eye at times, but it pauses to poor salt in
>your wounds now and again.  The track "Blind" is very haunting and
>beautiful.
>
>White Light from the Mouth of Infinity- definately more mellow than
>everything from the early period, but it retains some rolling
>percussion at points, it's got a lot of acoustic guitar and keyboards.
>The track "Failure" is a slow drudging folk-song, sounding almost like
>something you'd hear if you worked in a coal mine in the 1800's, but
>more on theedge of insanity.  Bloody good track.
>
>
>The Great Annihilator-  A return to the earlier sound after a
>particularly strange period, whereing "the burning world" was
>released.  I've only heard "The Burning World" once, and wasn't
>terribly interested at the time, but I might perhaps like it at this
>point.  This period was a lot of folk-oriented material, some of it
>almost country sounding.  The "Great Annihilator" was a refreshing
>updating of their early sound.
>
>Soundtracks for the blind- Double cd, very nice, atmospheric at times,
>quite mellow at points and equally as disturbing.  A wide variety of
>material here, but most don't really seem like songs, but fragments
>transplanted into a strange flowing river of ambience.  This I would
>get after the rest.
>
>Filth- Their first album, quite good.  Very brutal and noisy, pounding
>drums, their most aggressive material.  The cd "Body to Body, Job to
>Job" is outakes, 24 track recordings and other early rarities, and it
>is very much like Filth.  I recomend it as well if you're really in to
>this early sound for tracks like "Mother by Body Disgust me," but I do
>have to say the sound quality is sketchy at times.
>
>I could keep going, but this should keep you busy for now.  The Swans
>have been together for almost 15 years now, and it's interesting to
>see the varying musical directions they went in.  Michael Gira is
>starting a new project called, but their name escapes me at the
>moment.  I'm curious to see where he's going now.
>
>Yours in Truth-
>Greyson Welch

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 12:45:24 -0500
From: jawolfe (jawolfe@INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: Re: swans


It also seem odd that at their show they seemed to be openly exploitive,
charging $20 for their new CD when it can be bought for $16-18 by retail
scum. The tshirts weren't that great, etc. I'm not sure what all that was
about but the concert was excellent, and that wasn't to bad price wise.
Jes


Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 14:46:46 +0000
From: Richard Clemens (R.Clemens@UNIVERSITY-MANAGEMENT.SALFORD.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Limited edition 4AD CDs


On 24 Jan 97 at 13:32, Andrew Norman wrote the following about Re: Limited editi
n 4AD CDs:

>  > I just received word from 4AD Mail Order that they have found a >
> > small quantity of Throwing Muses 'University' limited edition CDs >
>  >(the one in the red slip case)
>
>  There are shops all over the UK still with copies of this - I don't
>  think it can have been very limited, or perhaps "University" didn't
>  sell very well.
>
I noticed that, but I thought they had all just appeared recently,
and thus assumed that either the label or the distributor had kept a
few back! But then again I don't pay much attention to things I
already have, just in case they are cheaper than I paid for them.

Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 01:28:26 +0100
From: Renzo Leon (camelot@DMA.BE)
Subject: Re: muzik sites o' the year


At 12:38 23-01-97 +0500, you wrote:
> Well, I received a mail from Nina Hagen=B4s mailing list about the music
>zines of the year. There was this address, so if this is a mailing
>list, please suscribe me. My name is Jose Enrique Plata M. I am 21 year
>old Colombian economics and law student at the Universidad de Los Andes
>here in Bogota. I am longtime fan of bands and artists like : The Cocteau
>Twins, Pixies, Lush, The Breeders, This Mortal Coil, Matt Johnson, The
>Wolfgang Press, The Birthday Party, Colourbox, Xmal Deutschalnd, Unrest,
>Air Miami, Dead Can Dance, Pale Saints, Kirstin Hersh, His Name is Alive,
>The Happy Family, Belly, Throwing Muses, and some others.=20
>I have the following questions. Please help me.

> 6. Which bands and artists have good quality recordings of their concerts
>and presentations? I mean bootleg recordings. Not the one from Lush sold
>by KTS which has a horrible sound quality.

Well, I have a very nice live-cd from the European Pixies tour in 1991. It's
very good quality... It was released by The Swingin' Pig Records, trademark
of Swingin' Pig SARL in Luxembourg. nr: TSP-CD-110 and it's a recording of
the gig at Leysin Festival in Switzerland, 11-07-91. title of the CD:
SUBBACULTCHA and contains 22 songs.

>13. Has any one heard a band called Tsunami and another one called The
>Glee Club?

All I know about Tsunami is that it's a girls-band, who had some airplay on
MTV's 120 Minutes with the single "In a Name" from an album called "Deep
End", that must have been 1992-1993, haven't heard anything about them=
 since.=20

Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 14:24:55 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Tarnation's Mirador


In a message dated 97-01-27 14:04:40 EST, you write:

<< This is taken from 4ad's promo pages. I've  >>
Where can one get this?  I am so excited about the album.


Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 15:10:37 EST
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Gus Gus in Reykjavik


        I just wondered if anyone else on this list is going this Friday to see
Gus Gus in Reykjavik. If so, and you want to meet up, drop me a line

- Dez

Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 13:44:48 -0500
From: Michael Hauben (hauben@cs.columbia.edu)
Subject: OT: A part of me is about to die :(

          nh-rages@caligari.Dartmouth.EDU, ambient@hyperreal.com,
          orb@xmission.com

Sadly, the account I subscribe to this list from, hauben@cs.columbia.edu
will be closed at the end of this week. (I was told I could keep
it if I paid the CS department $500, bastards.) As such, I will
be unsubscribing by the end of the week, and don't know if and
when I will be able to resubscribe. I will to some of the lists,
but far from all.

In any case, if anyone wants to personally get in touch with me,
please contact me from now on at hauben@columbia.edu

Thanks and take care,

.\.\ichael -- sentinel

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Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 13:55:08 -0500
From: "James P. Crimm" (jcrimm@ZOO.UVM.EDU)
Subject: Re: Low, Swans Concert


<<<<

Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 17:45:43 PST
From: Matthew King (matt1013@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: Lush?


If anyone can translate this into English, I'd like to hear what this
person has to say about Lush.
-Matt

On Fri, 24 Jan 1997 14:02:02 PST La Casa de Pereza
 writes:
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>

Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 20:20:59 -0500
From: kanga and lisa roo (roo@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: opinions wanted


>coil
>loop
>ryuchi sakamoto
>japan
>psychic tv
>
>if you don't think this is listy, then respond privately.


woo-hoo! more sylvian more sylvian! I hardly think that japan is not thislisty!
ok, here's a kevin bacon-esque connection... David Sylvian was in Japan,
and he worked on Hector Zazou's Rimbaud project with our very own Lisa
Gerrard and Brendan Perry of 4AD Dead Can Dance... there! there's the
legitimacy (sic).

As for the other people, ryuchi sakamoto has done many things with sylvian,
so there's *his* connection.  Other than that, all of my friends that liked
one of the above-mentioned bands usually likes the others, so they're all
valid..IMHO.

As far as reviews, that could take quite a long time.

Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 20:08:04 -0800 following senders discarded.
From: com@AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: Lush?


At 02:02 PM 1/24/97 PST, you wrote:
>
>Hulloa!  Be on guard; I'm new to this list.
>This is mostly for those of you residing in England(wish I was there).  Is
there any news concerning Lush in the aftermath of Chris's death?  Any
spottings of Emma, Miki, or Phil mucking about?  I must know: it is because
of Emma that I picked up a guitar.
>
>Thanks,
>Inspector Callihan
>
>"repitition breeds inertia"  - Douglas Coupland

Inspector,
Big Lush fan here.  If you hear anything off-list, would you copy me
directly, please?
Thanx,
dans

Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 01:34:01 +-200
From: Eitan Shavit (eitan@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: Sally's Photographic Memory


Volume is about to release a double cd next month dedicated to Sally =
Harding, a young phtographer who died at the age of 27. Sally started =
her career with an Orbital session, and soon bacame Volumes'  top =
photographer on the Volume series, the Trance Europe Express series,Mix =
Mag magazine, Melody Maker, i-D and many others.
Contributing new exclusive tracks amongst others: System 7, Drum Club, =
Spooky, Orbital, Meat Beat Manifesto, Banco De Gaia and Ultramarine. =
with the double cd comes a 22 pages book, containing her various photo =
sessions with bands like: Lush ( a brilliant photo), Drum Club, Orbital, =
Opus 3, aphex Twin, Spooky, Pentatonik, Ultramarine, Sabres Of Paradise, =
Reload and more.
This package will be released also as a 4 LP box set.

Eitan.

eitan@netvision.net.il
bne1@netvision.net.il

Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 17:52:41 -0800
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: opinions wanted>>opinions provided

              23 Jan 1997 21:59:52 -0800

>   Coil-"Love's Secret Domain": a classic of electronic
>   derangedness, with guest vocals by Marc Almond & Annie
>   Anxiety...makes Marilyn Manson look like Hootie & the
>   Blowfish (but it in NO way sounds like Marilyn's death
>   metal/NIN retreads).  Songs about LSD, death,
>   homoeroticism, prostitution, and "Teenage Lightning" (an
>   obscure reference to a print by Max Ernst which seems to
>   mean sexual intercourse of course).

Of course, i agree wholeheartedly.  But it should be noted that before this COIL
were quite different.  Their music fell, at that time, into that completely
silly category (silly that it's a category, not silly as in "Tee hee hee") of
the so-called "gothic" genre.  Don't think Sisters of Mercy, think twisted and
dark, with creepy atmosphere.  I highly recommend Horse Rotorvator, though i
haven't listened to it in years (it's on vinyl, give me a break!).  They also
tried to do the music for Hellraiser but it scared Clive Barker too much and he
backed out.

-cz

Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 11:34:34 -0800
From: nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: rare 4AD sale


4AD Collection Set Sale

The Following are items being offered by
Kimber at Stinkweeds in Tempe, AZ.

Please call her to reserve any of these items
at 602-968-9490. I have nothing to do with
this sale besides posting the list here.

Natures Mortes compilation (Japanese)                   $125.00
Matt Johnson - Burning Blue Soul (Japanese, with psychedelic cover)     $50.00
Mass - Labour Of Love   (cut-out)                       $30.00
Cocteau Twins - Sugar Hiccup one-sided 7" promo         $35.00
Clan Of Xymox - A Day (7" promo)                        $25.00
Clan Of Xymox - Michelle (Holland 7")                   $25.00
Rene Halkett / David Jay - Nothing 7"                   $35.00
Bauhaus - In The Flat Field (Japanese, censored cover)  $20.00
Bauhaus - Telegram Sam 7"                               $20.00
Postcard set PAD 23                                     $25.00
1993 Calendar                                           $30.00

Other items available:

This Mortal Coil 7"s
Lush ltd.ed. 10"
Throwing Muses 7"
Xymox, Xmal, Frazier Chorus, Dif Juz,
Cocteau Twins, Colin Newman, Pale Saints etc.

-----------------------

The following items are available from Dewdrops
in addition to what we normally offer on our label.
Email me at nelson@astro.ucla.edu to reserve
your copy:

For Against - December CD (second album, 7 copies left) $7.00
Faye Wong - Impatience  CD (12 copies left)             $15.50
Faye Wong - Random Thinking CD (5 copies left)          $15.50
Orange - Solace And Shade** / Ecco demo tape (2 copies)
Orange - Daisy / Starwheel / Heather / Chimes** demo tape (7 copies)

The Orange tapes are $5.00 each. ** indicated unreleased material.

Brant


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| 12515 Pacific Ave. #106 |   A Dewdrops Compilation   |
|  Los Angeles, CA 90066  |        Winter 1997         |
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Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 23:59:02 -0500
From: kanga and lisa roo (roo@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: opinions wanted>>opinions provided


Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote:

>Snarlo  writes:
>
>> Hope this all helps--it was just pretty scary that you asked about so many
>> artists I really love!!!
>
>What was even more scary was that I agreed totally with all you said.
>
>Ooohh, reading your article gives me this incredible urge to dig out
>"Tin Drum" by Japan.  ...  Ah!  "Once I was young / Once I was
>smart".  It's an absolutely brilliant album, but I haven't played it
>for half a year or so, for some reason.
>
>It's really a must-have album.

I completely agree. Usually, Gary Numan, the Residents, Nurse with Wound
and a few others seem to go with that list. It's strange, isn't it, how
certain blocks of bands go together?

The person who originally asked that question, in asking about
Japan/Sylvian/Sakamoto asked for reviews of an entire chunk of my
collection!  I could write a fifteen page essay alone on Japan and their
various incarnaitons-spinoffs.  Thanks for writing that peter! I started
to, but didn't have time to finish...

If you like Japan, you should definitely look for Rain Tree Crow, which is
the band Japan, but reformed and in not so much of a pop venue.  Apparently
they broke up and then gave it another go, but under a different name.  The
music is not like Japan's music; instead it is more languid and
contemplative, leaning more to the ambient side of things, but not quite.
It is excellent, regardless.

Also check out all of the other Sylvian projects and collaborations -
especially his work with Czulkay, Robert Fripp (who has contributed quite a
bit to Sylvian's solo projects).  Sylvain has also done work with Mick Karn
on Karn's solo albums, including one of the most beautiful songs ever (IMO)
"Buoy". Sylvain also contributed to Sakamoto's heartbeat album on one song,
"Heartbeat".  Coincedentally, Sylvian's wife, Ingrid Chavez, speaks/sings
on that track as well.  Most of the rest of the album is dance-y and not in
the good way.

Also, on Hector Zazou's Rimbaud project, Mr. X is David Sylvian.

would you ever guess that I'm a fan?
lisaroo

Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 12:43:48 -0500
From: dan klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: BIGNEWS!!BIGNEWS!! (fwd)


        the following from the peter murphy listserv.
        basically, pm and love and rockets are both
        now on Red Aunt recording label, and will both
        have new lps out this summer. _and_ willl be
        doing a tour together in support of same.
        schwinng!

        also, check out http://members.tripod.com/~hnia/lincoln.html
        for my in-progress HNIA page
        that is all

 ***********************************************************************

        "Smash the control images Samsh the control machine"
                          W.S. Burroughs

 ***********************************************************************


---------- Forwarded message ----------

Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 03:35:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Samantha Wallace (slw@interport.net)
Subject: Re: BIGNEWS!!BIGNEWS!!


At 03:12 AM 1/24/97 -0500, KGRGDJNIN@aol.com wrote:

>4.  NOW ON TO THE BIG ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>For all of you discussing a Bauhaus reunion, it's not gonna happen soon, but
>you hit the target when you thought they should perform together.  Peter
>Murphy's new solo album will be released on Red Aunt (under contract from
>Beggar's) at the end of the summer.  He is backed up by none other than Love
>And Rockets!!!!!!!!  And word has it that when LnR tour in late summer it
>will be along with Peter!!!!!!!  I hope this brings us back to the topic of
>PM.
>



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Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 12:00:08 EST
From: "C.K. Coney" (violaine@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: Low, Swans Concert


On Fri, 24 Jan 1997 00:32:38 +0000 Greyson Welch 

>  The Swans
>have been together for almost 15 years now, and it's interesting to
>see the varying musical directions they went in.  Michael Gira is
>starting a new project called, but their name escapes me at the
>moment.  I'm curious to see where he's going now.
>
Thanks, Greyson, for the recommendations of your fave Swans recordings.

Now, as a return favor to you & everyone else who has been so helpful
introducing me to Swans, I will share some tidbits from a fascinating
article entitled "Swans Song" in the Jan '97 "Stomp and Stammer", an
Atlanta-based indie music monthly.  It's a great  interview with Michael
Gira, basically. Unfortunately I can't reprint cause I would be violating
copywrite...so here's some tidbits in my own words...

According to the interview, Michael Gira has started his own recording
company called Young God Records, and some of his first projects will be
"The Body Lovers", with cd-length mixes that will take off from the
"Soundtracks" cd; he also wants to do a project called "The Pleasure
Seekers" which would be quieter, acoustic, ambient; he wants to start
releasing other people's music, including Jarboe and some groups from
Norway, maybe via a compilation cd; he wants to do something with Bill
Rieflin, formerly of Ministry; and he mentioned wanting to reissue the
Swans stuff, describing his concept of how he would do it, down to the
packaging ideas. (Geez, this dude has some plans!)

One interesting and sad note was that just before he did the interview
with Stomp and Stammer, Gira's dad died, and he was very fond of his dad.
His dad's voice was used on "Soundtracks for the Blind" (Gira's father
had lost his sight in his later years.)

Lots of good stuff in this article, a capsule of Michael Gira's
upbringing, his family, his musical journey, and his future plans. A must
have article for Swans fans, imho. Now I'm counting the days til I get to
see them!

By the way, I pick  up this publication free at Tower Records, but
perhaps the entire issue, or at least the Swans article, will be
available via this website which was listed on front cover:
www.monsterbit.com/stammer/

Hope I haven't rambled too much!

Carol Coney


Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 00:59:36 +-200
From: Eitan Shavit (eitan@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: Spain


I know this was on the list a long time ago, and I can't remember who =
wrote that a new Spain album will be released on Verve.
>From what I've recently heard from the Restless people, Spain has signed =
a three album deal, so there are at least two more albums until they =
could release one on another label.

Just thought to let you know...

Eitan.

eitan@natvision.net.il
bne1@netvision.net.il

Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 13:49:54 -0500
From: "James P. Crimm" (jcrimm@ZOO.UVM.EDU)
Subject: Swans periods


<<<<

Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 17:31:21 -0500
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: the letter 2 and the numeral u


i just bought the 7" for five bucks--if that means anything...

BiZ

"mashed potatoes hold everything together..."
        -overheard

Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 12:12:35 -0500
From: Christian Hasiewicz (106345.2727@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Hector Zazou


In relation to Japan and David Sylvian Lisa Roo mentioned Hector Zazou. -
This exceptional musician and producer is worth more attention, I think.
The two CDs "Sahara blue" (a hommage to Arthur Rimbaud) and "Songs from the
frozen seas" are two of
my favourites... On the second you will find the best song Björk has ever
sung;(and the clarinet solo lets me shiver each time I hear it...); also
there are John Cale, Suzanne Vega, Värttina, Lena Willemark and other
musicians you should know. On "Sahara blue" there are two fine songs with
Brendan Perry and Lisa Gerrard (and another with Gerare Depardieu (!) on
the vocals)... Hear them, buy them, love them...

Christian Hasiewicz

>Also, on Hector Zazou's Rimbaud project, Mr. X is David Sylvian.

>would you ever guess that I'm a fan?
>lisaroo


Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 16:51:36 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Hector Zazou


In a message dated 97-01-27 15:43:09 EST, you write:

<< On "Sahara blue" there are two fine songs with
 Brendan Perry and Lisa Gerrard (and another with Gerare Depardieu (!) on
 the vocals)... Hear  >>

Be careful, there are two versions of Sahara Blue.  The one with the blue
case has the songs by Perry and Gerrard.  It is a limited series.  The other
with the clear case is available widely, but no DCD.


Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 13:48:54 -0800
From: Matthew Greer (megreer@UCDAVIS.EDU)
Subject: DCD/Ian McCullough


Hey all,

        Being a 4AD newbie I've only got spiritchaser and a passage in
time from DCD, and I love them both. so can somebody recommend where to
go from there? does DCD have any albums that where duds?

and about ian mccullough....I pikced up his album mysterio cuz it was
only seven bucks.  robin guthrie produced part of it and liz has worked
with ian in the past right? so why do i really not like this album? is it
pretty representative of his stuff? or did I just happen to buy his one
album that went astray....

Matt

Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 08:12:26 +0000
From: Geoffrey Elgey (elgey@FIT.QUT.EDU.AU)
Subject: low?


G'day,

With all the discussion about Low recently, I went out and bought their
latest 'The Curtain Hits The Cast'. Not bad at all - even that 14 min Sonic
Boom type tune.

I was wondering if someone could tell me more about their earlier releases -
are they as good as this one? Is the production crisp, or lo-fi? Or have I
already got the best, and all the others will be a let down? etc

Thanks,
Geoff


Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 14:38:19 -0500
From: Scott David Anderson (humgiant@USER1.CHANNEL1.COM)
Subject: Re: Low, Swans, US Maple, AMP


>I have to say one thing about the Swans live - They're absoultely horrible.
>
>I saw the show on Saturday in Boston (well, actually somerville, at the
>Somerville theater) and they just can't reproduce what they do on album


i was also at the show, and while i was not greatly impressed, i wouldn't
say they were horrible.  the music was loud and intense and they were on a
repitition theme the whole night, but they played quite well.  of course,
the studio albums can capture a lot more sonic detail.

low, however, was amazing.  very dynamic and melodic.  it was kind of slow
for some of the swans fans. one guy in the balcony even complained(quite
loudly) that low was just playing the same song over and over again(unlike
the swans who played one chord for twenty minutes).  they handled it very
humorously and didn't even flinch when the guy screamed "fuck you".

>(this is all, of course, my opinion, and you can take it at face value.)

>-john

i only wrote this to give you all another view at the show, not to belittle
john's opinion.

bottom line:  low was worth the fifteen bucks(and are returning to boston
in march if you missed them). the swans were interesting to see, but i
wouldn't see them again.

scott

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
scott anderson




                      sanderson@sbra.com
                  humgiant@user1.channel1.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 19:24:08 -0600
From: jcleveland@CLANDJOP.COM
Subject: Re: DCD/Ian McCullough


the solo stuff is kinda stinky but electrafixion is nice and i can't imagine the
world without echo and the bunnymen.


Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 20:28:01 -0500
From: Read Dawkins (jeheindl@AMHERST.EDU)
Subject: Re: DCD/Ian McCullough


_Mysterio_ was a low point.  If you want great stuff by Ian McCulloch,
check out just about everything ever released by the original Echo and the
Bunnymen.  Also, his first solo album, _Candleland_, is quite beautiful
(the single for "Candleland" has Liz singing).  He's also the driving
force behind Electrafixion which I don't quite like.  However, rumors have
it that the remaining three original bunnymen are back together and
recording.

jeh

On Mon, 27 Jan 1997, Matthew Greer wrote:

> Hey all,
>
>         Being a 4AD newbie I've only got spiritchaser and a passage in
> time from DCD, and I love them both. so can somebody recommend where to
> go from there? does DCD have any albums that where duds?
>
> and about ian mccullough....I pikced up his album mysterio cuz it was
> only seven bucks.  robin guthrie produced part of it and liz has worked
> with ian in the past right? so why do i really not like this album? is it
> pretty representative of his stuff? or did I just happen to buy his one
> album that went astray....
>
> Matt
>

Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 20:47:43 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Re: DCD


>Hey all,
>
>        Being a 4AD newbie I've only got spiritchaser and a passage in
>time from DCD, and I love them both. so can somebody recommend where to
>go from there? does DCD have any albums that where duds?

Hmmm get their self-titled cd called Dead Can Dance, In the Realm of the
Dying Sun
and Aion then tell me if they ever put out any duds.

Hey does anyone remember a silly new wave song from the
early 80's where the lyrics were "You know the dead can dance, the
dead can dance, you know the dead the dead the dead can dance".
I just remember a cheesy synth and some guy with a Dead Milkmen
singing voice doing it with another guy singing in the background.
Somebody please put me out of my misery and tell me who did this one.

Steven

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Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 10:42:44 -0800
From: Jon Scarborough (lockjaw@linex.com)
Subject: Re: the letter U and the numeral 2


nrbyram@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU wrote:
>
> >>what's the going rate for negativeland's U2 cd? there's one here in town
> >>for $25. anyone want me to get it for them? i've already got mine. i also
>
> >
> >Well, I saw a CD copy for sale in Portland for US$150.  It may be a bootleg, 
r
> >some other kind of "reproduction".  I know that cassette dubs are easy to
> >obtain.
>
> I have a copy this which came (I think) in a copy of CMJ magazine.  The CD
> has yellow squares on it.  If anyone wants this for $17 (postage included)
> let me know....
>
> Neshtikin

Does this have all the mixes?  I believe there were at least two.  If so
I'd like to buy this for $17.

-Jon

Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 14:02:02 PST
From: La Casa de Pereza (scalliha@CONC.TDS.NET)
Subject: Lush?


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Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 09:43:28 -0700
From: David Edward Sargent (des3@DANA.UCC.NAU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Ivy remixes


a cd single with the sleeve for the ivy "i hate december" fell into my lap
but, oddly enough, it came with a chainsaw kittens cd. i'm going to have
to write to scratchie about that.

ok, totally non-thislisty; anyone like fulflej (the much talked about
richmond band on scratchie)? if you don't like them, you'll break my
heart; they're sort of friends of mine....

dave

"i'm the black white blackist"
chris farley


Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 12:22:14 EST
From: "C.K. Coney" (violaine@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: muzik sites o' the year


On Thu, 23 Jan 1997 12:38:56 +0500 Jose Enrique Plata Manjarres
 writes:
> Well, I received a mail from Nina Hagen=B4s mailing list about the
>music
>zines of the year. There was this address, so if this is a mailing
>list, please suscribe me. My name is Jose Enrique Plata M. I am 21
>year
>old Colombian economics and law student at the Universidad de Los
>Andes
>here in Bogota. I am longtime fan of bands and artists like : The
>Cocteau
>Twins, Pixies, Lush, The Breeders, This Mortal Coil, Matt Johnson, The
>Wolfgang Press, The Birthday Party, Colourbox, Xmal Deutschalnd,
>Unrest,
>Air Miami, Dead Can Dance, Pale Saints, Kirstin Hersh, His Name is
>Alive,
>The Happy Family, Belly, Throwing Muses, and some others.=20
>I have the following questions. Please help me.
> 1. Is the Cocteau Twins single box set still available in the United
>States. A friend of mine saw the eropean version in Vienna and it was
>really expensive. Is there a big diffrence between them?

Hola, que tal amigo?

You certainly have a lot of questions...you should work for the
alternative music press, if you don't already.

I can partially answer question number one: the CT box set is still
around but getting rarer...try one of the better on-line cd stores, like
Vinyl Ink. I think it goes for around U.S. $60, but as you know, price
goes up as items become harder to get. I don't know how it compares to
the European version...anyone else?

Carol


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