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Subject: Re: andie macdowell convinces me that...
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 23:36:23 -0600
From: jcleveland@CLANDJOP.COM
Subject: Re: The myth behind HNIA's Wall of Speed?
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 01:23:18 -0500
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: swans
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 00:25:18 +0000
From: Greyson Welch (slugdady@GULF.NET)
Subject: andie macdowell convinces me that...
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 01:38:30 -0500
From: Jason Bryant (Srilank@AOL.COM)
Subject: A few items for sale...
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 00:30:44 -0800
From: Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: videos / Andie MacDowell
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 06:55:32 -0500
From: "the bus that couldn't slow down" (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: HNIA:dirteaters from way way back
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 11:00:00 EST
From: Cameron Webb (cameronw@CIDM.WH.SU.EDU.AU)
Subject: Re: andie macdowell convinces me that...
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 04:24:05 -0800
From: Michael Buck (mbuck@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: info on these bands
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:00:29 -0500
From: Johnson Ho (xymox@AKULA.COM)
Subject: Re: swans
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 11:45:29 -0500
From: "James P. Crimm" (jcrimm@ZOO.UVM.EDU)
Subject: Re: Low, Swans Concert
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:56:24 -0500
From: Brian McKay (vydra@CRUSH.WWNET.NET)
Subject: From the MBV list-serve
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:15:35 +0000
From: VK (primitec@slip.net)
Subject: my apologies
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:14:18 -0700
From: David Edward Sargent (des3@DANA.UCC.NAU.EDU)
Subject: opinions wanted
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:07:37 -0700
From: David Edward Sargent (des3@DANA.UCC.NAU.EDU)
Subject: the letter U and the numeral 2
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:11:07 -0700
From: David Edward Sargent (des3@DANA.UCC.NAU.EDU)
Subject: Re: andie macdowell convinces me that...
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:41:47 EST
From: "C.K. Coney" (violaine@JUNO.COM)

Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 23:36:23 -0600
From: jcleveland@CLANDJOP.COM
Subject: Re: andie macdowell convinces me that...


oh no.  it's back.


Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 01:23:18 -0500
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: The myth behind HNIA's Wall of Speed?


read theodore roethke, (in w.d.'s own words) "a quality michigan poet." i
think my love for theodore roethke's verse is one of the reasons why his
name is alive's musik effects me the way that it does. "the sand that
holds the lakes in place" is a definite borrowing of theodore roethke.
mouth by mouth had blatant word for word verse recitation. i adore that
cut & paste method that his name is alive, unlike any other band on 4AD
(or anywhere else), is the forerunner of. warren takes tidbits of heresay,
of interesting folk myth, of junior high school notes, and of critically
acclaimed poets like theodore roethke; and makes his scrapbook something
beautiful. talking with warren, you also get this feeling that every
thing that has ever influenced of affected warren has done so on equal
level without prejudice. lyrics of a calypso song that he happens to like
are just as important as the most acclaimed author of generations. i have
heard descriptions of warren defever as an "idiot savant." i disagree. the
man seems like an amazingly honest man who has no prejudices to anything.
he'll record songs in a cardboard box. he'll use lyrics from a print ad.
he'll throw in a choir in a song. warren finds little morsels of things we
discard and use (and use them brilliantly).

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 00:25:18 +0000
From: Greyson Welch (slugdady@GULF.NET)
Subject: Re: swans


(I posted this several days ago, but apparently it has been returned
to me, so here it is again)

Greetings...

> > Anyone want to give me guidance so I don't kick myself later?
>
> i'm not that familiar with the swans, but i'd go just to see low.  i
> saw them a couple months ago and they put on a simply brilliant show.
> if you want to listen to mellow, and i mean MELLOW music, then it
> doesn't get better than low.  very slow music that uses sparse
> percussion, droning guitars, and beautiful male/female vocal
> harmonies.  they'll either put you in a trance or drift you off to
> sleep.

                I'm not familiar with Low, but I'm sure I would
probably
enjoy them.
I am, however, quite familiar with the Swans, in fact I've been a
long-time fan.  I recently saw the Swans in their only Florida
appearance (in Tallahassee) and it was absolutely phenomenal.  There
are four songs that are completely new that are a part of their set
for this final tour.  I'm not sure if they are to be recorded in some
fashion or not but it seemed like Michael Gira was reserving these
songs for a live format (what a shame).  To describe their sound, in
their earlier works they were brutal and noisy, very apathetic and
often slow (in that bowel churning sense).  They eventually progressed
into a more industrial sound, very percussive, and then eventually
melding into a folk-oriented band with some impressive electronics.
Now they produce a wall of sound, at times very punishing, but
conducive to the more "singer-songwriter" style material Gira's been
doing-- very bleak, very self-abusive, rather depressive sometimes.
But there is the element of the more soundscapish material on their
more recent "Soundtracks for the Blind" mixed in to a meandering
dragging white noise pit of bliss.  Highly recomended, but then again
I'm a little on the biased side.  This is another aspect of noise
entirely, it's pop appeal isn't in the vein of anything
shoe-gazeresque, but I think that you'll find it an interesting
experience nonetheless.  I recommend that you go.

                Speaking of the Swans, someone posted the web-address
for
their
web-page, and I went to it again recently.  Something I didn't notice
before, the prices of things in their catalog seem a bit *Fucking*
Expensive.  I attribute this to this being the last copies of the
original versions before their re-released with alternate tracks, but
I really don't think there's going to be a huge scramble to get old
Swans albums anytime soon, so why the high prices?  It seems almost,
exploitative which strikes me as very odd when viewed in the context
of the lyrics to many of the songs on the Greed/Holy Money, such as
"When you pay you're a servant, money is flesh," "Holy Money Holy
Love."  Does this strike anyone else as odd?  What's even more
puzzling is that some of the things they offered on the web-site were
being sold at the show at significantly cheaper prices.  At any rate I
still love the Swans, and I think that Michael Gira needs a hug,
although I don't think I'd particularly want to give it to him ;)

Yours in Truth-
Greyson Welch


Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 01:38:30 -0500
From: Jason Bryant (Srilank@AOL.COM)
Subject: andie macdowell convinces me that...


> "Shortcuts" is a fairly good movie.  Some of the acting is a bit off (Andie
>  MacDowell is pretty lousy).  The story with Julianne Moore is  fantastic!


Has Andie MacDowell ever had a good (nary a great) performance?  Really.  I'm
thinking of "4 weddings and a funeral" for one (which for all good measure
had some hilarious lines in it) but the cake-taker IMO is where near the end
of the movie when she and Hugh Grant are standing in the rain and she says so
lifeless, unemotive, and generally unconvincing as if she was reading from a
cue card stuck in Hugh's wet hair - "is it still raining?  I hadn't noticed."
 Now *that* was funny  :D

Sorry for the lack of even remotely close thislisty content - but I just
wondered if anyone else thought she was a subpar 'actress' as well.   Which
in contrast she cannot hold a candle to Mira Sorvino (as a point of
reference) - who is at the other end of the spectrum again IMO - with
wonderful turns in Barcelona and Mighty Aphrodite for example.  or lily
taylor, or kathy bates, or kate winslet, or gweneth, or deborah unger, or
sean young (just checking :)

jason


srilank@aol.com


Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 00:30:44 -0800
From: Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: A few items for sale...

              97 05:00:35 pm

Hello,

I have a few items that I am auctioning off.  They are as follows:

Throwing Muses - Saving Grace (w/ unreleased b-side "an intimate
conversation with David Narcizo and Kristin Hersh", which is more of a
song)

Slowdive/Ride split tour single - "She Calls"/"Leave Them All Behind"

This Mortal Coil - Kangaroo 7" (with unreleased b-side)

Various - "think I'm getting the hang of it..."

Various - Mai Pen Rai

Please mail all bids to me personally.  I will accept trades over bids.  I
will trade or partially trade for the following:

Bearz - She's My Girl
Dance Chapter - Chapter II
The Fast Set - Junction One
His Name Is Alive - Darling 7" or any demo tapes
The Lillies - And David Seaman Won't be Very Happy About That...
Mass - Labour of Love
Pale Saints - Children Break flexi
Shox - No Turning Back
The The - Controvesial Subject/Black & white
Ultra Vivid Scene - She Screamed cd or "something to eat"
Various - Document - Pleasantly Surprised '82 - '85
Various - Nature Mortes - Still Lives
V23 - 1991 poster pack (the one with all the pixies posters)
v23 - This Mortal Coil "Filigree and Shadow" poster
v23 - His Name Is Alive "Mouth By Mouth" or "Livonia" (not the one in the
    1991 poster pack)
v23 - 1990 calendar

For some of the items listed above, I would be willing to throw in some
cash along with the item of mine you want.

Thanks for looking,
Jake Reichert

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 06:55:32 -0500
From: "the bus that couldn't slow down" (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: videos / Andie MacDowell


>>>What Laika videos are there?
>>
>>I forget what the song is, but there's one where because of the space
>>connotations of the band's name, the director has seen fit to cram the
>>video full of footage of rockets taking off and shots of the earth
>>that have nothing to do with the song.
>
>No, not really.  The reason directors of music videos do this (and if
>you recall it was done a *lot* in the early days of mtv) is because
>it is incredibly cheap.  The footage is US government footage, as
>such it has no copyright, and the government doesn't even charge any
>fee for obtaining the material.  Thus, the only cost to the producers
>is the cost of transferring the footage to video.

It still looks dumb and unimaginative, though, like all those early videos
with newsreel footage and bits of old silent films.

>Has Andie MacDowell ever had a good (nary a great) performance?  Really.  I'm
>thinking of "4 weddings and a funeral" for one (which for all good measure
>had some hilarious lines in it) but the cake-taker IMO is where near the end
>of the movie when she and Hugh Grant are standing in the rain and she says so
>lifeless, unemotive, and generally unconvincing as if she was reading from a
>cue card stuck in Hugh's wet hair - "is it still raining?  I hadn't noticed."
> Now *that* was funny  :D

But that's one of the scenes where you're not *meant* to laugh ;) ...my
favourite story about her is how they got Glenn Close to overdub her lines
in Greystoke

Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 11:00:00 EST
From: Cameron Webb (cameronw@CIDM.WH.SU.EDU.AU)
Subject: HNIA:dirteaters from way way back


While wading through some old articles and stuff I'd cut out of
various newspapers and magazines in my more enthusiastic youth
I stumbled across this review which you may find interesting.

DRUM MEDIA (Sydney, Australia)
26 May 1992
by Mark Demetrius

HIS NAME IS ALIVE
The Dirt Eaters
4AD

Despite the skeletal artwork and earthy title, this four-tracker is a
very subdued-even ethereal-affair. It's chock-full of ideas for all
that, though. "Are We Still Married?" has the feathery mournful
languor of the Cowboy Junkies, but with a sinister power far grander
than their insipid efforts. In fact, singers Denice James and Karen
Neil come closer to the icy majesty of the late great Nico at her
best, and are accompanied by some unobtrusively effective electronic
effects. Those wierd sounds are more upfront and abrasive in "Is This
The Way Tigers Do?", with its psychotic theme about the supposed
joys of holding someone underwater. The title song balances the
pace and mood of a Gregorian chant with a vocal delivery as clean
and wholesome as a pillow fight. Like musical David Lynches, His
Name Is Alive combine the angelic and the grotesquely disquieting
in roughly equal measure. Try to pin them down; you'll have fun failing.


Cheers,
Cameron.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Cameron Webb
Medical Entomology
Westmead Hospital/University of Sydney
WESTMEAD NSW 2145
(02) 9845 7548
cameronw@cidm.wh.su.edu.au
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 04:24:05 -0800
From: Michael Buck (mbuck@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: andie macdowell convinces me that...


On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, Jason Bryant wrote:

> > "Shortcuts" is a fairly good movie.  Some of the acting is a bit off (Andie
> >  MacDowell is pretty lousy).  The story with Julianne Moore is  fantastic!
>
>
> Has Andie MacDowell ever had a good (nary a great) performance?  Really.  I'm
> thinking of "4 weddings and a funeral" for one (which for all good measure
> had some hilarious lines in it) but the cake-taker IMO is where near the end
> of the movie when she and Hugh Grant are standing in the rain and she says so
> lifeless, unemotive, and generally unconvincing as if she was reading from a
> cue card stuck in Hugh's wet hair - "is it still raining?  I hadn't noticed."
>  Now *that* was funny  :D

Hmmm, I hadn't realized the similarity in the endings of "4 Weddings" and
"Sex Lies and Videotape", both of which feature Andie, rain, and
irrelevant dialogue.

Michael Buck
mbuck@netcom.com


Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:00:29 -0500
From: Johnson Ho (xymox@AKULA.COM)
Subject: info on these bands


Hi all,
        I've been on the list for a while and have seen people mentioned
some bands (4AD or non-4AD) which I don't seem to know.  Can anyone sort
of describe the sound & music of these bands?  Thanks!!


Air Miami
Michael Brook
Gus Gus
Swans
Low


Thanks!

-JH


Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 11:45:29 -0500
From: "James P. Crimm" (jcrimm@ZOO.UVM.EDU)
Subject: Re: swans


<<<<

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:56:24 -0500
From: Brian McKay (vydra@CRUSH.WWNET.NET)
Subject: Re: Low, Swans Concert


Well, I went to see the Swans and Windsor for the Derby in Detroit last
night.  I'm not familiar with either band; so I can't give much of a
review.

WftD was pretty interesting.  Seemed to be lots of loops, and trance type
stuff, very mellow, virtually no vocals.  I'm sure certain listies are
into this type of music, and probably could give a better description of
the band.

The Swans were, IMHO, pretty average.  They did develop an impressive
"wall of sound", but I thought the vocals were weak (which could have been
the mix, but I thought, overall, the sound was superb in St. Andrews
Hall).  I have no idea if they played current or older music, but the
general beat seemed to be "dirgish" in nature.  Interesting music,
especially live, but not worth the bulk of my $15 entrance fee.

*he who rarely posts*
-Brian


Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:15:35 +0000
From: VK (primitec@slip.net)
Subject: From the MBV list-serve


<<>>>>


Vinyl Tap was mentioned once in the "Outlets Survey" I am conducting,
though what country they are in was not indicated... for now, you might
try a search engine... so far, Parasol, Vinyl Ink and Ear-Rational are
easily the top 3 On-line sources with 6+ mentions each.

Will post more info in a week or two, VK


Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:14:18 -0700
From: David Edward Sargent (des3@DANA.UCC.NAU.EDU)
Subject: my apologies


ok, two messages and not ONE 4ad related band mentioned, so here goes;
does anyone want to trade  the ultra vivid scene 12" with "not in love" on
it for something? i've got a small list of potentially tradeable stuff.
i've also got a little money, but let's not go there.....
dave-o
"it's too bad she won't live. but then again, who does?"
edward james olmo aka gaff
in the best movie of all time, bladerunner

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:07:37 -0700
From: David Edward Sargent (des3@DANA.UCC.NAU.EDU)
Subject: opinions wanted


ok, of the following bands/groups/artists/whatever, i'm interested in
getting some of their stuff. so what i'd like is either a list of the good
albums, the representative albums, or the albums to avoid. thanks in
advance and i hope this is thislisty enough for ya's.
coil
loop
ryuchi sakamoto
japan
psychic tv

if you don't think this is listy, then respond privately.

i deserve an answer, don't i?!
love ya
dave
des3@dana.ucc.nau.edu


Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:11:07 -0700
From: David Edward Sargent (des3@DANA.UCC.NAU.EDU)
Subject: the letter U and the numeral 2


what's the going rate for negativeland's U2 cd? there's one here in town
for $25. anyone want me to get it for them? i've already got mine. i also
just picked up "guns" for 2.99! eat that...
in case you're not familiar w/ negativeland, they make sound/voice/noise
collages from other media and occassionally put it to some cool beats and
what have you. very subversive at times which has gotten them into quite a
bit of trouble. it's all good, bro.
dave

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:41:47 EST
From: "C.K. Coney" (violaine@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: andie macdowell convinces me that...


On Wed, 22 Jan 1997 01:38:30 -0500 Jason Bryant  writes:
>
>Has Andie MacDowell ever had a good (nary a great) performance?

I was avoiding this thread, but I've relented. I think she was quite good
in Sex, Lies and Videotape, which is imho one of the great indie films of
our time.

Carol


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