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Subject: Kiddeo
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 21:19:34 -0500
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: swans
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 23:38:15 -0500
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: videos
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 23:43:47 +0000
From: moran@hal-pc.org
Subject: Re: Low, Swans Concert
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 03:42:14 +0000
From: Greyson Welch (slugdady@GULF.NET)
Subject: Re: Low, Swans Concert
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 01:32:19 -0600
From: oteran (oteran@SHRIKE.DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: Velour100 electronic newsletter #1
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 03:39:03 -0500
From: "Mr. v100" (Velour100@AOL.COM)
Subject: swans
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 06:24:24 -0500
From: JRR TOLKIEN (GGNL44A@PRODIGY.COM)
Subject: Re: Low, Swans Concert
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 09:12:38 -0500
From: jawolfe (jawolfe@INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Low, Swans Concert
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 09:06:31 -0500
From: jawolfe (jawolfe@INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: Re: FS: 4AD and related
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 17:00:35 GMT
From: andrew garratt (amg5@YORK.AC.UK)
Subject: shiny to shiny
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 14:39:57 -0500
From: kcotler (kcotler@pen.k12.va.us)
Subject: kissing the pink
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 14:38:53 -0500
From: kcotler (kcotler@pen.k12.va.us)
Subject: Dirty 3 and Low tour dates
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 12:52:17 -0500
From: liles melissa m (mmlile@FACSTAFF.WM.EDU)
Subject: Throwing Muses cassette
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 18:37:52 CST
From: Juliet (MCDANJR@LFC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Raymond Carver
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 16:13:14 CST
From: Juliet (MCDANJR@LFC.EDU)
Subject: U.S. Music Outlets Survey-partial results 4 people buy from
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 16:26:49 +0000
From: VK (primitec@slip.net)

Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 21:19:34 -0500
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Kiddeo


Extracted from CMJ New Music, Feb. 1997, Number 42:

Turning Over The Odometer

Singer/guitarist Dave Gonzalez is calling from a payphone somewhere
between Jackson, Mississippi, and New Orleans.  Though the Paladins have
been together for nearly 17 years, the rootsy rock band still travels
budget-stlye, which means in a van and stopping to use pay phones for
this stripped-down trio.  I call him back.

"Man, we make so many phone calls it's unbelievable", says Gonzalez.
It's unbelievable how in the red we are".  When he talks about the
business of this hard-working band - rounded out by bassist and
co-founder Thomas Yearsley and drummer Jeff Donavan - and the music
business in general, Gonzalez has a bit of a begrudging tone.  But when
the conversation turns to the music he loved growing up and still
worships - B.B. King, T-Bone Walker, George Jones, Carl Perkins - his
voice is full of joy and enthusiasm.

Touring behind the aptly titled live album "Million Mile Club" (4AD),
Gonzalez admits that any rock-star aspirations he had in 1980, when the
seeds of the band were sown, have been shot down.  "I'm kind of a
realist", he proclaims.  First, the band gigged around its San Diego ,
but soon branched out.  "We were touring Las Vegas, Bakersfield, even
before we had a record out.  We printed our own 45 ("Honky Tonk All
Night") and sold it at the shows ourselves.  We would go into the local
record stores, ask them to come to the show.  Now people still come to
our shows and ask us to sign that first single."

The Paladins have been compared to everybody from Cream to Hendrix to
Zeppelin, and that's fine by Gonzalez.  "Everybody hears it their own
way", he explains, "They find parts of what we do to relate to what they
know."  Still, in the beginning, the Paladins were alligned with bands
of their ilk, such as The Blasters and Los Lobos, but were also
pigeonholed - not entirely accurately - as a rockabilly band.  But
Gonzalez says that the Paladins "liked the soul sound that came from
Memphis, but also the West Coast blues that were jazzier.  It's so
overwhelming to go into used record stores; I'm still being influenced.
I pick up records to study them for ideas for songs and production

He's thrilled that "Million Mile Club"  - the band's fifth release -
captures the trio's raw, honest, sweaty sound, the slap of Yearsley's
stand-up bass and the rumble of Gonzalez' hollow-body guitar.  The band
taped every night of a West Cost tour, ardously culling the best for the
record.  "We were driving between three and seven hours a day, playing
to 500 people, 50 people, so the record was super hard to mix.  It's not
the world's most hi-fi recording, but it's the real deal", he concludes.
"It's a real good testament to what we are, what we do."

- KATHERINE TURMAN

Paladins' "Million Mile Club", co-mixed by 4AD's Ivo Watts-Russell, is
out right now!  US - 46367; UK - CAD6015/CAD6015CD...

************************
|    Jeff G. Keibel    |
| Scarborough, Ontario |
|        CANADA        |
************************

e mail:  redshift@interlog.com


Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 23:38:15 -0500
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: swans


i second some comments made about the swans. truly an amazing band. how they
can be so delicate, so beautiful at times and so disturbing, so much of sound
and anger at others. beyond the swans albums themselves there are several
albums recorded under the name "skin" or "the world of skin" as well as one
gira solo album and a few jarboe solo albums.

i had the pleasure/torment once of watching michael gira do the mike check
before the show. i stood about 15' away and it was as if he had this aura
around him. sort of "i just got out of prision and am looking for the nearest
bar fight" but beyond that he is an amazing and intense individual.

his song "you see through me" from "drainland" is one of the hardest pieces
of music i have to listen to. it is mostly a taped ferocious argument
betweent he and jarboe (the other half of the swans  ) but woven into this is
such a beautiful piece of piano work. and michael singing "you see through
me". i finally came to believe it is a love song for jarboe.

there is much to recommend about the swans and i am sad that this
"soundtracks for the blind" may be their last studio album. intensity,
beauty, everything reduced to the inner core.

i definitely would not recommend his book thought. not for the faint of heart
or easily disgusted.


todd sanders


Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 23:43:47 +0000
From: moran@hal-pc.org
Subject: Re: videos


>>
>>What Laika videos are there?
>
>I forget what the song is, but there's one where because of the space
>connotations of the band's name, the director has seen fit to cram the
>video full of footage of rockets taking off and shots of the earth
>that have nothing to do with the song.

No, not really.  The reason directors of music videos do this (and if
you recall it was done a *lot* in the early days of mtv) is because
it is incredibly cheap.  The footage is US government footage, as
such it has no copyright, and the government doesn't even charge any
fee for obtaining the material.  Thus, the only cost to the producers
is the cost of transferring the footage to video.

moran@hal-pc.org

Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 03:42:14 +0000
From: Greyson Welch (slugdady@GULF.NET)
Subject: Re: Low, Swans Concert


Greetings...

> > Anyone want to give me guidance so I don't kick myself later?
>
> i'm not that familiar with the swans, but i'd go just to see low.  i
> saw them a couple months ago and they put on a simply brilliant show.
> if you want to listen to mellow, and i mean MELLOW music, then it
> doesn't get better than low.  very slow music that uses sparse
> percussion, droning guitars, and beautiful male/female vocal
> harmonies.  they'll either put you in a trance or drift you off to
> sleep.

                I'm not familiar with Low, but I'm sure I would probably enjoy t
em.
I am, however, quite familiar with the Swans, in fact I've been a
long-time fan.  I recently saw the Swans in their only Florida
appearance (in Tallahassee) and it was absolutely phenomenal.  There
are four songs that are completely new that are a part of their set
for this final tour.  I'm not sure if they are to be recorded in some
fashion or not but it seemed like Michael Gira was reserving these
songs for a live format (what a shame).  To describe their sound, in
their earlier works they were brutal and noisy, very apathetic and
often slow (in that bowel churning sense).  They eventually progressed
into a more industrial sound, very percussive, and then eventually
melding into a folk-oriented band with some impressive electronics.
Now they produce a wall of sound, at times very punishing, but
conducive to the more "singer-songwriter" style material Gira's been
doing-- very bleak, very self-abusive, rather depressive sometimes.
But there is the element of the more soundscapish material on their
more recent "Soundtracks for the Blind" mixed in to a meandering
dragging white noise pit of bliss.  Highly recomended, but then again
I'm a little on the biased side.  This is another aspect of noise
entirely, it's pop appeal isn't in the vein of anything
shoe-gazeresque, but I think that you'll find it an interesting
experience nonetheless.  I recommend that you go.

                Speaking of the Swans, someone posted the web-address for their
web-page, and I went to it again recently.  Something I didn't notice
before, the prices of things in their catalog seem a bit *Fucking*
Expensive.  I attribute this to this being the last copies of the
original versions before their re-released with alternate tracks, but
I really don't think there's going to be a huge scramble to get old
Swans albums anytime soon, so why the high prices?  It seems almost,
exploitative which strikes me as very odd when viewed in the context
of the lyrics to many of the songs on the Greed/Holy Money, such as
"When you pay you're a servant, money is flesh," "Holy Money Holy
Love."  Does this strike anyone else as odd?  What's even more
puzzling is that some of the things they offered on the web-site were
being sold at the show at significantly cheaper prices.  At any rate I
still love the Swans, and I think that Michael Gira needs a hug,
although I don't think I'd particularly want to give it to him ;)

Yours in Truth-
Greyson Welch


Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 01:32:19 -0600
From: oteran (oteran@SHRIKE.DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Low, Swans Concert


At 10:02 AM 1/20/97 -0500, you wrote:
>On Sun, 19 Jan 1997, C.K. Coney wrote:
>
>> There's a live show featuring Low & the Swans coming  here, and I'm
>> wondering if I should brave the howling winter winds to venture out. I
>> don't have & haven't even heard these two bands, I humbly confess.
>
>If you don't go you will be kicking yourself a lot!  I've seen the Swans
>a couple years back,
>it was an incredible and frightening experience.  I'm going again tommorrow.
>Jes
>
>
AGREED!! An intense show not to be missed! (at least on the last two tours).
Can't wait to see them one last time.

oteran
oteran@shrike.depaul.edu

---------------------------------------
"I know what I like, I like Fritos"
Reba McEntire
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 03:39:03 -0500
From: "Mr. v100" (Velour100@AOL.COM)
Subject: Velour100 electronic newsletter #1


hi

this is trey from the michigan band called VELOUR100 .  welcome to our first
electronic newsletter.  if you have any questions or you don't want to get
this anymore, check out the <<>> section of this message.

<<>>
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re-mixed material from a limited edition tape we released before the fall
sounds record, plus one new instrumental.   our friend jason pickersgill did
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<<>>
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project, and if everything goes according to plan, it will be released in
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in his busy schedule.

<<>>
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april, followed by a tour of our own in early may.  the next installment of
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His Name Is Alive on the west coast in february if anyone wants to come out
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 06:24:24 -0500
From: JRR TOLKIEN (GGNL44A@PRODIGY.COM)
Subject: swans


todd sanders wrote:
>i definitely would not recommend his book thought. not for the faint
of heart
>or easily disgusted.

I personally would recommend Michael Gira's book, the Consumer. But I
have to agree with you on the point that it is not for the "faint of
heart or easily disgusted". I would highly recommend the book for
anyone looking for something different that could possibly stretch,
modify, or change ones point of view... Or strengthen their previous
mindset. It is all this and more. At least IMO.
      Ryan (GGNL44A@Prodigy.com) who, despite some individuals
misperceptions, still does NOT have HNIA - King of Sweet.


Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 09:12:38 -0500
From: jawolfe (jawolfe@INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Low, Swans Concert


On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Greyson Welch wrote:

 and I think that Michael Gira needs a hug,
> although I don't think I'd particularly want to give it to him ;)
>
> Yours in Truth-
> Greyson Welch
>
 Me Neither, Yikes!
Jes


Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 09:06:31 -0500
From: jawolfe (jawolfe@INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Low, Swans Concert


On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, James P. Crimm wrote:

> <<<<
>      I saw Low not too long ago and they were much better than I expected.
> As for Swans, I would love to hear this band. I understand that this is a
> farwell tour? Anyway, even if you didn't like the show, you would remember
> it for the rest of your life(I'll wager). Has anyone heard "The Great Anni-
> alator" (2 points off for spelling)? I've heard that it has an earlier Swans
> bombast.
>
>                                                         Cheers,     Pat
>
I've heard "The Great Annihilator" (I'm not too sure about spelling
either). And it is much more bombastic than the post "Burning World" Swans.
It's on Invisible Records which may be part of the reason. I recomend it
but if your into more mellow stuff get "White Light (in)to? the Mouth of
Infinity" That's also a good one. But then agian I'm pretty fond of most
of their stuff, but the early stuff goes a bit to far into self-loathing
for me to want to listen to a lot.


Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 17:00:35 GMT
From: andrew garratt (amg5@YORK.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: FS: 4AD and related


4AD and other artists vinyl and CDs for sale.  Mostly 1980s including  Cocteaus,
DCD, Colourbox, Xmal, Mod
English, Ultra Vivid Scene, Lush.

Mail me PERSONALLY for list including prices, condition.

Andrew


Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 14:39:57 -0500
From: kcotler (kcotler@pen.k12.va.us)
Subject: shiny to shiny


can anyone tell me anything about a band called Shiny To Shiny? All I
know is they once made a song called Moment To Moment and I like it a
lot!

Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 14:38:53 -0500
From: kcotler (kcotler@pen.k12.va.us)
Subject: kissing the pink


I have an enormous number of demo=92s by Kissing the Pink, from their
gothic beginnings in 1981, via their synth/dance music, through to the
Drums and Bass grooves of the present. If you=92d like to trade, or would
like info on them, drop me a line.


Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 12:52:17 -0500
From: liles melissa m (mmlile@FACSTAFF.WM.EDU)
Subject: Dirty 3 and Low tour dates


Forwarded from the Goodson list...
Supposedly the two groups are co-headlining, wheeee...

_________________________
DIRTY 3 / LOW   WINTER 1997

DATE            CITY                    VENUE                   STATUS
WED 3/12        LOS ANGELES, CA         Troubadour              confirmed=
*
THU 3/13        SAN FRANCISCO, CA       Bimbo=92s 365 Club        confirm=
ed*
FRI 3/14        travel day
SAT 3/15        PORTLAND, OR            Stage 4 Theater         confirmed=
*
SUN 3/16        SEATTLE, WA             Moe                     confirmed=
*
MON 3/17        travel day
TUE 3/18        travel day
WED 3/19        DENVER, CO              Mercury Caf=E9            confirm=
ed*
THU 3/20        LAWRENCE, KS            Bottleneck              confirmed=
*
FRI 3/21        ST. LOUIS, MO           TBA
SAT 3/22        CHICAGO, IL             TBA
SUN 3/23        PONTIAC, MI             7th House               confirmed=
*
MON 3/24        travel day
TUE 3/25        WASHINGTON, DC          9:30 Club               confirmed=
*
WED 3/26        PHILADELPHIA, PA        5 Spot                  confirmed=
*
THU 3/27        PRINCETON, NJ           Princeton Campus Club   confirmed=
*
FRI 3/28        NEW YORK, NY            Westbeth Theatre        confirmed=
*
SAT 3/29        BOSTON, MA              Lansdowne Playhouse     confirmed=
*

Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 18:37:52 CST
From: Juliet (MCDANJR@LFC.EDU)
Subject: Throwing Muses cassette


Hiya,
I'm new to the list, so forgive me if this sounds amature!
I have a cassette of the first album (I think) Throwing Muses released on 4AD.
It has "America (She can't say no)," "Soul Soldier," "Delicate Cutters" and a fe

other tracks on it.  A friend of mine said the album was rare and I just wanted 
o
know from some "experts" if that is the case.
Thanks!
--Juliet

Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 16:13:14 CST
From: Juliet (MCDANJR@LFC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Raymond Carver


Raymond Carver is one of my favorite 20th century American authors.  He has
published five or six volumes of short stories--all are widely available and
really wonderful. Unfortuately, Carver died of cancer in 1986 or so, at a rather
young age.  His wife, Tess Gallagher, is also a writer, although I have not has 

chance to read any of her works.
"Shortcuts" is a fairly good movie.  Some of the acting is a bit off (Andie
MacDowell is pretty lousy).  The story with Julianne Moore is  fantastic!  That
alone is worth renting the movie.
Hope this helps!

---Juliet


Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 16:26:49 +0000
From: VK (primitec@slip.net)
Subject: U.S. Music Outlets Survey-partial results 4 people buy from

              retail stores only 2 people buy from on-line only 2 people buy
              from both stores and on-line  Interesting,
              I will post all outlets mentioned with cities/states on the MBV
              and 4AD listserves in a week or so... I would still appreciate
              more responces,  thanks, Vic Krag  >If it's not too much to ask,
              where is everyone buying their new music >and hard to find
              new/used imports? On-line vs. retailer vs. label >direct? Please
              let me know the names of the good modern/import type >stores in
              your area (city and state also ok?) or On-line company. >Private
              responses are preferred since this request is not strictly 4AD
              >related, thanks in advance.>>


So far, out of 8 responces:

4 people buy from retail stores only
2 people buy from on-line only
2 people buy from both stores and on-line

Interesting,
I will post all outlets mentioned with cities/states on the MBV and 4AD
listserves in a week or two...
thanks,
Vic Krag

I would still appreciate more responces regarding:

>If it's not too much to ask, where is everyone buying their new music
>and hard to find new/used imports? On-line vs. retailer vs. label
>direct? Please let me know the names of the good modern/import type
>stores in your area (city and state also ok?) or On-line company.
>Private responses are preferred since this request is not strictly 4AD/MBV rela
ed, thanks in advance.>>


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