Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 20:18:34 PST
I'm sorry if this has been discussed already, but I saw a listing
for a new Breathless album called 'Midsummernights Dream'. It
said it was a compilation. My question is, does it exist, and
does anyone know what tracks are on it?
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 19:56:46 -0800
On Wed, 15 Jan 1997, Tony Renner wrote:
> Help! I'm looking for a copy of Cocteau Twins GARLANDS import CD (the
> version with extra tracks).
> I'm looking for a friend who's willing to pay $20 (and who probably has
> stuff to trade).
> Thanks for the help.
oh man when i was living in california about two weeks ago, a local store
had it for eight bucks used....bad timing :)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 23:30:42 -0500
I was sure this was still available through the 4AD mail order service.
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 22:06:51 -0500
1996 was the first year 4AD made a consistent effort to put a [p] & [c]
note on the back cover. All the Lush releases, some of the scheer ones
and Paladins sported copyright notices on the back art. Some like HNIA
didn't while the "Sliding & Diving" EP didn't credit 4AD with a
copyright credit at all. Sorry, just being anal-obsessive...
Also, I was watching "Twister" earlier this week and noticed that
whoever typed up the end credits got Tanya Donelly's name wrong. It was
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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 02:46:57 +0100
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High to all listies:
I'm thrilled, excited, and more than happy to announce, that as from
March 1997, B.N.E. Records will be officialy the 4AD and Beggars Banquet
licencees in Israel.
I've been on this list for several months now (although not so active),
enjoying the debates as well as the information passed.
As label manager for these labels, I hope I will be able to contribute
more to this list, and of course to bring this brilliant music to as e
many people as possible (even in a small territory as Israel).
Peace & love to all,
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 22:50:31 -0500
I have a question for all of you listies...
What does it mean to be "thislisty"? Does it apply to music only? What
about movies.. or works of art.. or authors? Or mass marketed pop-faddish
I started thinking about this the other day, when I was posting about Lois.
I couldn't think of any possible way in which she was "thislisty" and yet
I know that a great many of you would enjoy her music.
There are other things as well. Can we discuss the Brothers Quay's
animation *simply because* HNIA used them in their videos? What about
retro pop 60's furniture being discussed in relation to, say, the Amorphous
Body Study cd by Stereolab? Don't get me wrong, the main discussion here
should be, above all else, music. But authors of tangent discussions
shouldn't have to feel that they have to justify their letter content
because it is not "thislisty"..
It has been my experience in meeting people from this list (one of which in
particular is one of my best ohio-an friends of all!) that we have a
certain cultural sophistication. I can best describe this with the
following scenario... If you met Person A and Person A *loved* HNIA or RHP
with all of their innate being, would you not be utterly shocked if they
also adored COPS and the Macarena and ultra-NEON colors and Jim Carrey
I am not trying to be a cultural elitist. I am merely pointing out that as
4AD music is so idiosyncratic, the people who enjoy and revel in it very
likely have the same taste in say, clothes, books, movies, etc. I think it
would be an interesting set of topics to explore. Granted, there are
different subsets within 4AD fandom.. space-rockers, swirly romantic gothic
types, popsters.. each having carved out their own niche... But still, I
think that when you meet someone who is a 4AD fan, you expect a certain
level of cultural sophisitication. It's almost like a secret password,
right? "Oooh, *you* like the Cocteaus as well, do you?"
This is just me rambling. What do you think?
lisaroo-ina svetlana of the southern roos...
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 23:38:47 -0500
here is the live series tapes recorded during the '96 tour:::::::
"These tapes were recorded by the band themselves each night. Quality
varies. All tapes are 45-90 minutes long"
first show on tour Includes guests Mr. & Mrs. Velocity Hopkins
first appearance of "Jonah" written that afternoon
loud guitar, includes harmonica jam "I'm tired and my soul needs restin' "
"if july" "when blues are empty"
8-25 Washington D.C.
long fin killie play on "this world is not my home" sounds great; Karin sings
sound sucks, no vocals, all distorted
good vibrations were all around this evening
good mix, loud organ, seven songs
vocals by WD, acoustic guitar set and much acclaimed famous puppet show
labor day dance party
sad night, sad songs, reflections of sorrow in lake regret
9-04 San Diego
"why" by Yoko Ono; sound is great
audience tape -- sounds tinny; includes in-store at Rhino Rec.- sounds great
sound is really great "if july"
9-07 San Francisco
sound is bad
9-09 Portland, OR
the band plays "torso" and reggae version of "cornfield"
distorted yet great
Karin drunk on wine knocks stuff over - sounds great
drum solo by Dion; Karin sings "cornfield" acapella
long show includes science fair
empty sound - no audience
send check (payable to: Davin Brainard) or cash addressed to:
PO Bx. 531671
**PLEASE NOTE: Davin has already had a few orders for "entire sets"...this
does of course take time to make the copies etc etc....so please be patient
with him if you end up ordering more than one or two, and of course with any
large order. He is also spending time getting a 2nd Record Collector store
opened so he's doing what he can!!!!!! Thanks for understanding!***
and from me:
sorry this took a few extra days to get this posted....but it wasn't easy to
sit down and type all this
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 23:52:48 -0500
Sorry this is so late in coming, but as promised, here is the most recent
catalog from timeSTEREO given to me by Davin just over a week ago:
-real kids, noise, camp
Noise Camp Remix
-noise, drum machine, kids
-electronic noise, science
-fast sounds in noise style
-tapes of sound
-communist miner folk songs 1930
-summer sound w/ Ian & Warren
-avant garde piano, abstract style
-sound from loops and sound
Dragon God "Broken Time"
-god bullies + princess dragon-mom
Dragon God "More Time"
-swing, polka's, country 1951-1962 tapes
ESP Beetles Live Freakout Tapes Edit
Hearing Trumpet "Sleepy Lagoon"
-tapes, lp's, noise
-noise + girl = pop
His Name Is Alive
-mexico, live, ect. sound
-little princess ambient home record
-live show free noise rock
-warrens brother recorded at guardshack at factory
-little princess, fast sound
Godzuki "first one"
-re-issue six song four track
Godzuki "free wade"
-avante garde saxophone plays godzuki tape
*********NOTE!!!!*** (this is also now avail. on CD!!! contact timeSTEREO
-producer of mystic moog orchestra makes noise tape
-alice cooper tribute ESP Beetles, United Friendly, Kentucky Ham, Little
Denise, Hearing Trumpet,....more A.C interview
Little Princess "in a people house"
- free noise rock turns to noise tapes
-Scientific tapes + extra sounds
- his name is alive, 10 songs, nice!
Great Lakes State Blues
-his name is alive live concert at michigan
Destroy All Monsters "Grow Live Monsters" "Backyard Monstertube"
- 2 tapes by this 1975 band
Man Machine "Haulin' Ass"
- no waves
Control Pane; "technological l.p."
- one hour tape of some princess dragon-mom
- PD-M video three movies on one tape UFO Dr., Wrestle time, the whale that
became a star
e.p.'s ($4 ea)
-his name is alive/little princess 7" old time song and modern sound
- 4 songs , 1930's union workers records
ESP Beetles "the world on time"
-one side 45 fast sound, noise rock tape loop
FAB.44 "majic on the moonlight"
-old style industrial beat mach. noise
****NOTE!!! CD available ! ::::::$10.00
Butter Cake incense $1.00 smells like real food!
(this actually does smell really good!!!)
choose timeSTEREO logo or noise camp design super colors XL $10.00
ask us about our three books
Control Panel 12"
-technological 12" $7.00
(I was told this is in fact different than the material on the tape mentioned
"library girl" 45 $4.00
"Slow Poke" CD loud tapes, 50 min. $10.00
"Real Folk Blues" cass. Japan Import on G.R.O.S.S. no easy time $10.00
- free punk rock
Brown Cuts Neighbors "greatest monkey band"
tapes, edit, music, words
Kentucky Ham "moonshine monster"
**************************C O M I N G S O O
Noise Camp video
Robot Rick video
Free Wade CD (this is actually now available ---contact for price)
Little Princess cass, CD
The Whales cassette
New Grape CD
tapes = $5.00 ppd USA
please make checks payable to Davin Brainard, or send cash
PO Bx. 531671
Livonia, Michigan 48153-1671
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 05:13:20 -0500
> AND, for those of you who don't know Trenchmouth, they are this very
> dubby band (at least there final album, The Broadcasting System was),
> VERY VERY VERY much in the vain of Too Pure....with the wacky bass lines
> and sampled drums and all that. Anyone into Laika (except Trenchmouth
> has a male singer) and Long Fin Killie should definitely check out this
> band! You would not be dissappointed at all...
> Always available for useless info,
Not useless one bit! You may have mentioned in the previous post that I
accidentaly deleted before this one, but can you give Trenchmouth's label?
Where they're from, favorite fruits, partial discography, etc.
I don't care what anyone says, it's damn cold.
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 06:32:30 -0500
Last week, I spotted a 12" by a band called Horseland in a used record
store. The only reason I took a closer look at it was because I thought,
"Hmm, the sleeve looks kinda v23" and sure enough, the sleeve *was* done by
v23. The label was Red Rhino, and since I'm drawing a blank on both the band
and the label, does anyone (maybe a v23 obsessive) know what this is like?
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 13:14:22 +0200
I received both the new Throwing Muses releases from Rycodisk today!
(they're faster than they say they are...)
The six live-at-the-studio recordings on "Live to Tape" (VRCD 0354) are
very good. Kristin is introducing every track by saying it's title... No
hand-clapping between the songs. I hope they will release more bootlegs
like this. This record has no sleeve - just a plastic+white paper envelope
with a small blue - girl with a rope - sticker to close the thing. Total
playing time: 22.09 (but you can play it more than one time)
The extra tracks on the Freeloader cd are worth buying the record for, I
like the 'Live Remix' version of "Take"... Does anybody know why 4AD isn't
releasing this one?
Get those small, round pieces of silver stuff, plastic and ink at:
And a Happy New Year to you all!
(I know - a bit late - but this is my first 4AD-L posting this year ;-)
the Netherlands, January 17, 1997
... e[email protected]
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 05:21:25 -0800
I've noticed similarities from some of my friends who like obscure
music. But I think it stems from the fact that we are malcontent with
popular music and it basically branches out to popular culture
(oxymoron? you make the call) in general. So it does take a little work
to find the music, books, films, etc. you truly enjoy, but it makes
life, and you, much more interesting.
(still trying to synthesize my love for Throwing Muses
and Chris Farley movies)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 08:57:00 -0500
god damn the sun is one of the most depressing, cynical songs i've ever
heard. and i love it. haven't listened to that album in a long time.
think i will now.
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 16:43:31 +0100
I live in Luxemburg and I would really like to know where I could
buy the GUSGUS LP!!!!!!!!
I simply can`t find it anywhere! So I would be very thankful to get a
write to :[email protected]
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 09:42:11 -0500
most of the 4ad fans i know have unsubbed from 4ad-l...
>Back online after a while, but now with a new location: Austin, TX!
>I=B4d like to know which listies are from this city!
>'Just give me an easy life and a peaceful death.'
> The Sundays
john roseborough mailto:[email protected]
Job Hero Song Hour, Herb Go Oh Sojourn, Rob Urge John Oh So,
Rob Jones Hog Hour.
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 15:48:30 +0000
As a few people have mentioned them recently just thought I'd point
you all to the SWANS home page
It lists all the forthcoming releases since the last record was the
last! Gira is after what little money I have left. Talking of being
after money, check out the various things for sale, very odd people?!
Academic Division (Student/Institutional Services)
University of Salford, Allerton Building,
Frederick Road, Salford M6 6PU
0161 736 6541 x235
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 11:59:28 -0600
Is anyone on the list looking for Shelleyan Orphan's WAKING UP promo-only EP
on Columbia? The tracks are: Burst, Dead Cat, Supernature on a
Superhighway, Late Night, Shatter, Summer Flies, Cavalry of Cloud, &
Southern Bess (A Field Holler).
Speaking of things being thislisty, with the Paladins on 4AD would not
Stevie Ray Vaughn then be thislisty? Just asking. . . .
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 11:32:48 PST
On Thu, 16 Jan 1997 23:38:47 -0500 "Blue Bell's Knoll"
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 12:29:14 -0500
>here is the live series tapes recorded during the '96 tour:::::::
>"These tapes were recorded by the band themselves each night. Quality
>varies. All tapes are 45-90 minutes long"
(titles of shows deleted)
so these are the shows from '96...so when is this title from? When I saw
it, I assumed it was part of the 1996 series
- his name is alive, 10 songs, nice!
John B. Jones
Internet Confessional: I watch "Boy Meets World" regularly. :|
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 08:22:21 -0800
i agree entirely with you, there are other things out there (ie:
art, books, etc.) that are at least as beautiful, thought provoking,
interesting. i also agree that this list should always primarily be about
4ad music, though things you can make an association with, either real or
just incidental should be treated as just as valid of a thread as any other ...
for instance where i live in L.A. there is an artist named borodin
that paints the most beautiful works... they could easily be cover art for
any cocteau's, see feel, MBV, etc... type band if you saw them, you would
fall in love too ....
what do the rest of ya think ?
>There are other things as well. Can we discuss the Brothers Quay's
>animation *simply because* HNIA used them in their videos? What about
>retro pop 60's furniture being discussed in relation to, say, the Amorphous
>Body Study cd by Stereolab? Don't get me wrong, the main discussion here
>should be, above all else, music. But authors of tangent discussions
>shouldn't have to feel that they have to justify their letter content
>because it is not "thislisty"..
" i don't need pictures... i have scars to remember you by. "
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 19:41:19 +0100
>most of the 4ad fans i know have unsubbed from 4ad-l...
Rest assured they'll all come back one day, tail between their legs.
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 13:44:24 -0800
A friend is looking for a couple of CDs and asked if I could help
him. They are by an outfit called Bubonique who apparentley are signed
to a Newcastle, England, label called Kitchenware. The CDs are : "20
Golden Showers" and "Trance Arse Volume Three". Has anyone heard of
these ? are they still in print ? catalogue numbers ?
All info is gratefully appreciated.
PS If John Porter is reading this. I got the tapes this week but have
not had a chance to listen to them yet.
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 14:54:28 EST
okay, here's the low down on Trenchmouth, as far as i know....
They are four guys from Chicago, i believe. They broke up, though.
Their last CD "The Broadcasting System" was released in 1996, so they
must have broken up pretty recently, i'm not sure. I think they had 2
albums before this one, or maybe three. I know that Fred Armisen the
drummer has some sort of mariachi band going now, and all i know about
the other members is that the singer Damon guest sings on the new Lois
EP. Here's the address for their last CD:
p.o. box 4522, Saint Paul, MN 55104
Surprisingly, though, i found my copy real cheap at Best Buy!
hope this helps...
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 22:17:22 +0000
> 4AD music is so idiosyncratic, the people who enjoy and revel in it very
> likely have the same taste in say, clothes, books, movies, etc. I think it
> would be an interesting set of topics to explore. Granted, there are
> different subsets within 4AD fandom.. space-rockers, swirly romantic gothic
> types, popsters.. each having carved out their own niche... But still, I
> think that when you meet someone who is a 4AD fan, you expect a certain
> level of cultural sophisitication. It's almost like a secret password,
> right? "Oooh, *you* like the Cocteaus as well, do you?"
mostly i agree with this, but i will not be happy if anyone posts stuff
telling me how great their new clothes are!
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 19:42:27 -0500
Could whoever posted this list of live tapes do so again or please mail me
the list? I seem to have missed it in the blur of 4AD messages!!!
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 16:46:36 -0800
[email protected], [email protected], [email protected]
It's been a while since I mentioned what's been
going on at Dewdrops Central, so I thought I
should give you all another semi-yearly update.
1996 saw the release of our first vinyl 7" single,
something which was delayed for a number of reasons for
lack of a sleeve. Just about every excuse you can imagine
could be justifiably applied to this matter, both good and
bad, but without wallowing in it, I'm happy to inform you
that we're back on track with a completely redesigned
and much better looking sleeve which will be completely
finished and printed up by the end of this month. It's
really not going to be much-- 1 color plus black printed
as a fold-around at a local cheapo copy center (that's
all we can afford!) but it'll look very nice and suit
the release. By the way, the music is a sample of
everything we've done up to this point, and is therefore
now officially known as the Dewdrops Primer 1996 (having been
called the Sampler or Christmas Sampler before). 4 songs
from Hover, The Moon Seven Times, Elysium and Orange.
Ask for more details or see our webpage.
As many of you know, we have four other releases,
which, coincidentally are by Hover, Elysium and Orange,
plus the one that started it all, Thurtene, which began
as a little 4AD-L tribute to 4AD (cover versions,
what else?). There are only about 200 copies left
of Thurtene, and once they're gone, that's probably it.
We'd much rather invest in new stuff than keep it in print.
We have plenty of our other releases available.
Having discovered the music of Faye Wong on a recent trip to Hong Kong,
thanks in part to the numerous Faye Wong - Cocteau Twins
connections, we knew we had to offer her material in our
catalog. We currently have a handful of two of her most
recent CDs, Impatience (the one with the Cocteau Twins-written
songs) and Random Thinking (the one with the Cocteau covers).
Since we have so few left and no guarantees that we can order
more, please email me to reserve one. Since these are imports
bought from a distributor, the price is a bit higher than our
other CDs: $15.50, basically at cost.
Another album I came across in a small stash of cutouts
very recently is the second For Against album December. I have
only 8 copies of this, and am offering them at a very
reasonable $7 each. If you don't know For Against, and you
like chimey, poppy guitar bands, then you should get to know
them. This album originally came out on IPR ages ago, and as far
as either of us can tell, these are the last CD copies
available anywhere. IPR still has some cassette copies.
We are working on bringing you CDs already out by Luminous Orange,
The Sensualists, Super 31 and others, and I promise to keep
Splashed With Many A Speck
This is the title of our upcoming compilation, scheduled for
a March (the month, not the label) release. Two CDs, nearly
30 bands, 97% original material (one band's doing a Lush cover),
over 2 full hours... It's a huge project and a dream come true
for me. It will be the truest statement to date of our mission
to bring you uncommon music. Most of the material is in hand
right now, and we're just waiting on the final few bands who
are competing to be the one who turns in theirs the latest.
Many of the names should be familiar to you:
Scenic, Half String, Alison's Halo, Orange, The Curtain Society,
Faith And Disease, Lanterna, Luminous Orange, The Sensualists,
Love Spirals Downwards, lovesliescrushing;
plus there are others that probably aren't: Starlight Conspiracy
(formerly hover), The Von Trapps (formerly Elysium), Starblind,
Heavenside, Dear Dark Head, Bethany Curve, The Floating House,
Eight Page Story, Super 31, Chicklet, Venus Swirls...
It's all amazing!
If you thought it was a long wait between #14 and #15, then
you're probably wondering where the heck #16 is, since it's been
even longer. The conspiracy of life prevented us from taking
very many big steps forward with this, but half the reviews are
finally done. It's going to be the largest issue we have
ever made, by far, now that we have no restrictions on weight/postage,
so look for 60+ of our characteristic double reviews.
We guarantee to have it out around the end of Winter, if our reviewers
cooperate. Additionally, some new features and faces (maybe literally) will
be making a first appearance. Basically our mission is to review
the best "uncommon music" we're aware of (indiepop, noise, ethereal,
experimental, drone, dreampop, darkwave, ambient) subject to
the limited numbers of CDs we can purchase ourselves, and the gems
we occasionally find in the huge selection of crap that's sent to us
by labels and bands (it's funny how totally inappropriate they can sometimes
With all the other stuff going on, this has lowest priority
at the moment. There's no Java, no frames, and only the most
bare essentials that one could put on a webpage. But most of
our information is there somewhere and you CAN preview
an Elysium song from the CD. IUMA has a full song from Orange
as well. If anyone wants to help out with this, I'm sure we
would be eternally grateful. We can't pay you, except in
gratitude, CDs and zine issues, but if you're interested,
contact me by email.
Well, that's about all I can think of... As always,
I'd like to thank you all who have brought us from our
dim beginnings exactly 7 years ago to the
sort of grey state we're at now. It's been tough, but
we're still going, and you can always find us here.
Brant Nelson, owner | editor | reviews
Pat Mannion, associate editor | design | reviews
Rodney Rodruguez, contributing reviewer
Gil Gershman, contributing reviewer
Benny Campa, contributing reviewer
| Dewdrops Records | Splashed With Many A Speck |
| 12515 Pacific Ave. #106 | A Dewdrops Compilation |
| Los Angeles, CA 90066 | Winter 1997 |
| www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html |
> Uncommon music that deserves to be heard <
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 21:59:52 -0500
Does anyone know (especially UK listies) if Nigel Grierson
ever released a book of his photographic work or a monograph
or exhibition catalogue of his work? I am trying to work on an
essay for night school on photographic uses for the depiction
of musical ideas. I really have loved alot of Nigel's 23 envelope
photos especially the Cocteau Twins stuff. Any help or
addresses of galleries or offers of selling items welcomed.
Steven Venn, bfa, Graphic Designer
Dalmatian Design Communications
139 Golfclub Court, Richmond Hill,
Ontario, CANADA L4C 5E1
"Listen pal, you can't waltz in here, use my toaster
and start spouting universal truths without qualification"
- Jude from Hal Hartley's "Surviving Desire"
"Would you leave the lights alone please.
Stop flashin' the f**kin' lights"
-Future Sound of London on "ISDN"