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Subject: Re: shelleyan orphan
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 22:38:27 -0500
From: kanga and lisa roo (roo@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: shelleyan orphan
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 22:38:37 -0500
From: kanga and lisa roo (roo@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: Helleborine
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 22:43:29 -0500
From: kanga and lisa roo (roo@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: cocteau twins
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 02:05:56 -0500
From: "Blue Bell's Knoll" (BluBelKnol@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: HNiA - King of Sweet
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 01:36:29 -0800
From: Robey Pointer (robey@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Nico
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 09:38:38 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: HNiA - King of Sweet - sighting in United Kingdom
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:17:46 +0000
From: David Thorpe (djt@ROBOTS.OXFORD.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: HNiA - King of Sweet
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 08:45:48 EST
From: Matthew T DeBellis (loomer5@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: shelleyan orphan
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:10:13 -0800
From: Alex Wolfson (ajw6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Seely lee cliche eh?
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 09:33:33 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: shelleyan orphan
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 13:00:10 -0500
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: German 4AD-Fans
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 14:15:30 -0500
From: Christian Hasiewicz (106345.2727@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Catalugue supplement
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 12:32:58 -0500
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: German 4AD-Fans
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 16:39:01 -0500
From: "Miss Lolly T. Heinrichson" (MitoKB@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: German 4AD-Fans
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 14:38:35 -0600
From: Jason Marc Morehead (00161068@BIGRED.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: shelleyan orphan and personal mailings
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 19:02:31 -0500
From: kanga and lisa roo (roo@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: shelleyan orphan
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 19:00:11 -0500
From: kanga and lisa roo (roo@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: part two of HNIA e.p.s
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 18:55:41 -0500
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: spain...VERVE...yummy
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 18:45:40 -0500
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Erika Hoffman
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 18:56:49 EST
From: Matthew T DeBellis (loomer5@JUNO.COM)

Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 22:38:27 -0500
From: kanga and lisa roo (roo@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: shelleyan orphan


>I have the promo-only Waking-Up compilation

>Please send trade list or make offer.
>
>Alex

How's thirty bucks?  That's all I can afford at the moment.  I just got the
pixies poster set, so that depleted most of my rare 4AD fund for the
moment..
thanks.

Lisaz

Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 22:38:37 -0500
From: kanga and lisa roo (roo@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: shelleyan orphan


>Ah, _Helleborine_.  This is humorous.  Four years ago as I was just
>discovering Shelleyan Orphan a friend of mine GAVE me his copy of
>_Helleborine_ as he didn't like it.
>
>not to gloat
>
>jason eugene
*******************************

oh ... oh ... oh .. GRRR.
hi-ho.

I guess I'll forgive you, seeing as jason eugene is quite a nice name.

;)


princess dragonlisa

Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 22:43:29 -0500
From: kanga and lisa roo (roo@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: Helleborine


>>Ah, poor soul. The torment you must be going through!  I think there are
>>about sixty people on this list in your same predicament.  A copy of
>>Helleborine is one of those urban legends that old grey listies tell their
>>grandchildren about.  In short, you'd have more luck finding a copy than
>>getting Beavis and friend off the airwaves.
>
>I havent got one, too: I have two of them! If somebodys interested, make an
>offer!
>
>                           CHRISTIAN HASIEWICZ
>
>        106345.2727@Compuserve.com


AAARRRGGGHHHH!!  ooooo. really??  really?? How much are you asking?
I'll give you thirty.  I could go more, but i just bought the pixies poster set
and my rare-4ad-stuff-fund is a bit depleated. BUT if anyone else has
another offer, write me and I might beat it.


oh! thank you ever so much. Do let me know what you think...

lisa anne of the southern roos.


Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 02:05:56 -0500
From: "Blue Bell's Knoll" (BluBelKnol@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: cocteau twins


In a message dated 97-01-09 21:22:12 EST, you write:

<< hello again...

 In a message dated 97-01-09 15:37:29 EST, you write:

 << Would that be the Livonia in Michigan? So, answer me this: WarrenDeFever,
  madman or genius?

 yes, i live in the suburban hell of livonia, michigan. was away at school
for
 2 years and am now back and trying to keep up with the music scene.

 as far as warren goes, i've never talked to him but saw him at the record
 collector a few weeks ago when i was buying a robot. he is a very intruiging
 person who keeps to himself. so, i've heard anyway. i imagine him to be a
 combination of madman and genius.

 bye now,
 amy



  Carol aka Violaine

  >>




Warren is going to love this...  ;)
~Blu


Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 01:36:29 -0800
From: Robey Pointer (robey@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: HNiA - King of Sweet

              Jan 9, 97 05:55:14 am

JRR   TOLKIEN said this, and I just had to respond:
>
>       For any caring and sympathetic person out there...
> I was looking for a copy of His Name is Alive - King of Sweet. It
> being 2 and a half years after the fact of its 2000 copy limited
> edition release, I know it is probably a desperate and worthless
> thing to even send this email. Never stopped me before. So... if

I just wanna take this opportunity to say how incredibly disappointed
I was that Warren sunk to that KollektorSkum tactic.  Sure, maybe he
could only afford to print 2000 copies, but did he have to *advertise*
that fact and actually *number* them?  Thus assuring that at least 1000
would end up in the hands of people who will never even listen to them?

Since it came out, I've been looking for a copy.  Give it up.  Find a
friend who has the cd and make a tape of it.  Normally I would be
against pirating stuff like that, but they brought it on themselves
this time.  Bah humbug.

Robey
--
Robey Pointer                    |  "So that's what an invisible barrier
robey@netcom.com                 |   looks like."   -Time Bandits

Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 09:38:38 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Nico

              97 05:54:40 pm

 naor  wrote on Thu, 9 Jan 1997
 (Subject: Re: Nico)
 > > Nico's first solo album ("Chelsea Girls") is a bit of a forgotten
 > > masterpiece - all the Velvet Underground except for Moe Tucker
 > > played on it, and about half the songs on it were written by
 > > Reed, Cale and Morrison in various combinations.  "It Was a
 > > Pleasure Then" is actually a VU song which that band never
 > > recorded.
 >
 > I like this album too but I her later album "the marble index" is
 > not only her best work, but is also john cale's best work as
 > musical producer.  totally different from "chelsea girls", the
 > songs all have a gothic eastern europe feel as nico is sawing two
 > chords on a strange sounding harmonica, and cale adds his usual mix
 > of scary horns and strings.  her voice is already thicker than on
 > "chelsea girls" which only adds to the atmosphere.  "roses in the
 > snow" is the *the* song for a cold, dark afternoon.

 "Desertshore" is apparently in similar style, but I have been put off
 buying it because it's only half an hour long ("The Marble Index" is
 not much longer).  In the "Seducing Down the Door" double CD
 compilation booklet, Cale says that he recorded TMI (and his own "Music
 for a New Society") by recording the songs normally and then removing
 most of the instruments playing the melody.  There's a great Peel
 session EP of Nico on her own with harmonium, three songs from TMI and
 one from "Desertshore".


 u menya nye sevodnya  wrote on Thu, 9 Jan 1997
 (Subject: Nico / trip hop)
 > Andrew wrote:
 >
 > > And there's "These Days", by Jackson Browne, one of my favourite
 > > songs ever, which perfectly encapsulates all those feelings of
 > > regret and disillusionment most of us have occasionally.
 >
 > Well said.  It pretty much oozes world-weariness.

 "Please don't confront me with my failures, I have not forgotten
 them".  Sends shivers down my spine every time.

 >
 > > And the Dylan song mentioned above, and a few other good ones.
 >
 > Such as another Jackson Browne song, "Somewhere There's A Feather"
 > and a Tim Hardin cover.  The only thing Nico didn't like about this
 > album were the flute parts, put there surreptitiously by Tom Wilson
 > (the guy who stuck the electric guitar and drums on Simon &
 > Garfunkel's "The Sounds of Silence" - sneaky guy).  She said there
 > ought to be a button on every stereo with which you could cut out
 > the flute bits.

 The album is a very folky thing, and quite different from the sort of
 music she was playing live with the Velvet Underground at much the same
 time.  "Chelsea Girls", which Lou Reed seems to think is one of his
 better lyrical efforts (it was included in his occasionally hilarious
 book of lyrics and poems) is one of the less good tracks on the album -
 shows obvious signs of having been written in a hurry.  "The Marble
 Index" would have been a mediocre album without Cale's input, but I
 think "Chelsea Girls" produced by Reed/Cale would have been less
 successful.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England
nja@le.ac.uk

Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:17:46 +0000
From: David Thorpe (djt@ROBOTS.OXFORD.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: HNiA - King of Sweet - sighting in United Kingdom


A statement for those HNIA fans in the UK Midlands area - Whilst
scanning the shelves at the Virgin Megastore at Birmingham (UK) over
Christmas, I bizarrely saw a CD of HNIA's King of Sweet right there in
the H's. I think the cost was about seventeen quid. I wonder how it
got there?

Yours, David Thorpe djt@robots.ox.ac.uk

(Also saw some ESP Summer record in Select-a-disc, Berwick street, in
 the import section the other day).


Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 08:45:48 EST
From: Matthew T DeBellis (loomer5@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: HNiA - King of Sweet


I have to admit that King of Sweet is probably one of my favorite CD's.
I was lucky enough to find it new (and wrapped) in a very commercial CD
store in Chicago.  I always thought finding another copy would be almost
impossible, but a week later, a friend asked me to get her a copy, so a
week after that, they were selling a copy in the Vinyl Ink catalog for
$20.  If you ever want to get anything rare, try Vinyl Ink, or if you're
in Chicago, special order at Reckless (I put my name down for MBV's
Ecstasy and Wine and Reckless got it in used a week later...that also
happened for ESP Continent and Pale Saints Mrs. Dolphin and a rare Slits
and Unrest LP.)...hope this helps you out....


Matt


Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:10:13 -0800
From: Alex Wolfson (ajw6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: shelleyan orphan


kanga and lisa roo wrote:
>
> >I have the promo-only Waking-Up compilation
>
> >Please send trade list or make offer.
> >
> >Alex
>
> How's thirty bucks?  That's all I can afford at the moment.  I just got the
> pixies poster set, so that depleted most of my rare 4AD fund for the
> moment..
> thanks.
>
> Lisaz

That is a very generous offer.  The condition is not perfect (the outer
digipak is not mint and the disk itself has a few minor scratches,
nothing that really affects playing.  Given this, I would sell it for
$15, which I think is a reasonable price.

Alex
--

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Associate Director
Columbia Institute for Tele-Information
809 Uris Hall
New York, NY 10027-7004
212/854-4222
212/854-4368 (direct)
212/932-7816 (fax)
ajw6@columbia.edu


Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 09:33:33 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Seely lee cliche eh?


James Renaud writes:
>everyone rags this band. i was impressed by the subtlety
>and the sound and the vocal harmonies and the earthy feel to something
>airy. it's third in my top ten of 1996.

I've only heard one person dis Seely (the "cliches r us" thing you
quote). Some other people found it listenable but not exciting. I'm with
you -- it's very subtle and well-crafted and the harmonies are beautiful,
as are the ways the songs shift in sound and mood throughout.

Has anyone heard "Parentha See", their first album which includes earlier
recordings of many of the songs on "Julie Only"? Is it worth getting?

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Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 13:00:10 -0500
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: Re: shelleyan orphan

              10:10am)

i have one in mint condition that i'll sell you for $15.  in fact, i think
i have two.  please email me direct at alan@msai.mea.com, not the entire
list like i just did.

thanks,
alan


>
> That is a very generous offer.  The condition is not perfect (the outer
> digipak is not mint and the disk itself has a few minor scratches,
> nothing that really affects playing.  Given this, I would sell it for
> $15, which I think is a reasonable price.
>

Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 14:15:30 -0500
From: Christian Hasiewicz (106345.2727@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: German 4AD-Fans


As I am new to this list I ask myself if there are any other German
4AD-Fans subscribed to the list?

My second question: Of "Cocteau twins" I only know the CD "Blue bell
knoll". As I want to extend my CD-Collection I would like to know which are
the best CDs of this band.

                                                      CHRISTIAN HASIEWICZ


Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 12:32:58 -0500
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Catalugue supplement


Cliff,

Hi!  I heard from another collector that 4AD put out, perhaps to mail
order people only, a sort of revised mini catalogue that fits in with
the one released in late 1994.  Just curious more than anything.

Also, I was wondering if you could give more info on Ivo's "Joyride"
soundtrack project.  Will His Name Is Alive actually be doing parts 2
and 3 of the EP series that started with BAD6007CD??

How did the decision for 4AD come about to use 7000 as a catalogue
number?  4AD has never used a number with all zeros at the end before so
I was just wondering why in 1997 it was done.  Will there be an 8000??

I was wondering if you had any GUS 4's left.  Or any T1,s...  Was there
a UK promo for Paladins?  I have the US card sleeve for "Million Mile
Club" with the adapted cover art but was wondering if anything was done
promo wise in the UK.

More questions to come...

Happy New Years to you and Happy 17th Birthday to 4AD!!

Jeff Keibel
Scarborough, ON
CANADA
redshift@interlog.com


Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 16:39:01 -0500
From: "Miss Lolly T. Heinrichson" (MitoKB@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: German 4AD-Fans


In a message dated 97-01-10 14:54:13 EST, you write:

<< As I want to extend my CD-Collection I would like to know which are
 the best CDs of this band. >>

I think most people would agree that the albums which create the most
interest are "Victorialand" and "Treasure"  (Treasure being the album where
they were amusingly refered to as the "voice of god"!)  And they're easy to
find too!


Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 14:38:35 -0600
From: Jason Marc Morehead (00161068@BIGRED.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: German 4AD-Fans

              Hasiewicz" at Jan 10, 97 02:15:30 pm

>
> As I am new to this list I ask myself if there are any other German
> 4AD-Fans subscribed to the list?
>
> My second question: Of "Cocteau twins" I only know the CD "Blue bell
> knoll". As I want to extend my CD-Collection I would like to know which are
> the best CDs of this band.
>
>                                                       CHRISTIAN HASIEWICZ
>

i've always loved "victorialand".  it's probably one of their most
"atmospheric" or "ambient" cds.  there's very little percussion,
mostly beautiful, spacey guitars and liz frazier's angelic vocals.  i
find it to be the perfect album to listen to during the winter.

"heaven or los vegas" is quite good as well.

jason


Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 19:02:31 -0500
From: kanga and lisa roo (roo@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: shelleyan orphan and personal mailings


I thought I already mailed an apology, but here's another just in case...

sorry for the personal mailings. I know better. ;)


Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 19:00:11 -0500
From: kanga and lisa roo (roo@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: shelleyan orphan


>kanga and lisa roo wrote:
>>
>> >I have the promo-only Waking-Up compilation
>>
>> >Please send trade list or make offer.
>> >
>> >Alex
>>
>> How's thirty bucks?  That's all I can afford at the moment.  I just got the
>> pixies poster set, so that depleted most of my rare 4AD fund for the
>> moment..
>> thanks.
>>
>> Lisaz
>
>That is a very generous offer.  The condition is not perfect (the outer
>digipak is not mint and the disk itself has a few minor scratches,
>nothing that really affects playing.  Given this, I would sell it for
>$15, which I think is a reasonable price.

*****************

thank you for being so honest.  I wasn't sure if this was an auction situation
or what.  15 dollars is perfectly fine! I will send a check this weekend...

Lisa Cooley
5526 McKnight
Houston, Texas 77035-2626
roo@neosoft.com

Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 18:55:41 -0500
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: part two of HNIA e.p.s


> Will His Name Is Alive actually be doing parts 2
> and 3 of the EP series that started with BAD6007CD??
>
in a recent interview i had with warn, he said that he has now recorded
eleven tracks for the next single. he also said that most of the songs get
dwindled away, but that there are plans of releasing one. he said that he
wanted to release the longest ep ever, but he was joking.
**************************** star vein ***********************************
**************************** http://www.science.wayne.edu/~jrenaud *******
**************************** jrenaud@sun.science.wayne.edu ***************
**************************************************************************
"since feeling is first who pays any attention to the syntax of things" **
***** e.e. cummings ******************************************************
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Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 18:45:40 -0500
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: spain...VERVE...yummy


>
>         speaking of Star Vein, did that interview with HNIA ever
>         get put on the site? last time i looked, "darn" was the
>         only thing there....


i feel like a big jerk. i lost the interview cassette and have found it
the other day through all my junk drawers. the label fell off the tape and
i thought it was just one of the thousands of mix tapes i have made for my
friends and the car rides. the winners of the hnia interview and bootleg
show will receive their tape soon. i am quite sorry for the expansive
delay. also in about twenty minutes i'll be sending my finished page for
the Gil Evans and Miles Davis 6 Cd Box Set giveaway. so if you want to win
than check it out.
**************************** star vein ***********************************
**************************** http://www.science.wayne.edu/~jrenaud *******
**************************** jrenaud@sun.science.wayne.edu ***************
**************************************************************************
"since feeling is first who pays any attention to the syntax of things" **
***** e.e. cummings ******************************************************
**************************************************************************
**************************************************************************


Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 18:56:49 EST
From: Matthew T DeBellis (loomer5@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Erika Hoffman


I just got the newest Godzuki album and love it love it.  I heard she
wrote some songs on HNIA's stars on ESP...did she also sing on some of
them?  And can someone tell me which tracks on stars that she wrote....


matt


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