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Subject: breeders info (12/30+31/96)
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 22:06:19 -0600
From: Steven Szaks (gszaks@UXA.ECN.BGU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Your request to sign off the 4AD-L list
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 00:10:34 -0500
From: regeana@ATL.MINDSPRING.COM [SMTP:regeana@ATL.MINDSPRING.COM]
Subject: Re: LOW discography continued
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 00:09:41 -0800
From: Jon Gabriel (jongab@MAIL.IDT.NET)
Subject: Re: Low
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 03:05:08 EST
From: Jeremy L Orr (j.orr@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: LOW discography continued
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 04:07:01 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Metal Machine Music and Liz Fraser
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 09:48:12 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: jill burkhart's low question/rhp
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 09:27:01 EST
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: Re: Metal Machine Music
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 07:54:50 -0800
From: Dan Shubin (dans@europa.com)
Subject: "Sliding & Diving" 7"
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 01:40:54 -0500
From: "Jeff with two F's" (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: CANADA/TORONTO
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 10:59:23 -0700
From: shar everett (sharlito@TELEPORT.COM)
Subject: Re: Metal Machine Music (fwd)
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 16:41:55 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: jill burkhart's low question/rhp
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 13:48:18 -0500
From: Jill Burkart (starla@IGLOU.COM)
Subject: Michael Brook nominated for Grammy
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 14:36:46 -0500
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Tanya Donnelly EP
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 15:01:50 -0500
From: RBNRy@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Tanya Donnelly EP
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 08:44:31 +1100
From: Andrew Fries (afries@zip.com.au)
Subject: Re: jill burkhart's low question/alan's mistaken flame
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 16:19:04 EST
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: Re: Low
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 16:29:08 +0000
From: gruisinger@POP.UMKC.EDU
Subject: Nico
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 19:06:02 -0500
From: u menya nye sevodnya (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Sweet Jane?
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 18:55:39 EST
From: "C.K. Coney" (violaine@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Under new WebmasterShip
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 16:39:13 -0800
From: "West Coast Musicians Online (WCMO) *Yasa*" (eella@CWO.COM)

Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 22:06:19 -0600
From: Steven Szaks (gszaks@UXA.ECN.BGU.EDU)
Subject: breeders info (12/30+31/96)


saw this on a usenet group, and it caught my attention.  is ti true?  I
was under the impression that the breeders were on hold..

steve

> >
> >12/30/96 Santa Cruz
> >12/31/96 San Francisco opening for Primus
>
> FWIW, the "Breeders" seems to just be the Amps with the addition of
> some extra woman on guitar (I think her name was Katie).  They're
> getting like some of those old dinosaur bands that tour with the
> original bassist or something but keep the name (or at least you
> wonder why they decided to go by "the Breeders" instead of "the
> Amps").  I saw someone with what looked like Sonics at the Catalyst
> show and I'm sure there were other tapers.  They only played about 58
> minutes, which was a bit of a drag.  They played a mix of Amps and
> Breeders stuff and maybe a few new ones.
>
> Kurt
>


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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 00:09:41 -0800
From: Jon Gabriel (jongab@MAIL.IDT.NET)
Subject: Re: LOW discography continued


>PS-I also have the video of "Over the Ocean"--are there any others?

If memory serves, 120 Minutes played a video (only one time of course) from
the Long Division album. It was probably for the song "Violence" since that
was the most approachable tune off that album. The video was all
sepia-toned and had some old dude trying to give away balloons or
something.

BTW, the "Over the Ocean" video is remarkable...perfectly complements their
music.


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"Everyone surrenders to the brave new scarecrows
 And wait for them to hand us cigarettes and blindfolds."
          -- Mark Heard

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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 03:05:08 EST
From: Jeremy L Orr (j.orr@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: Low


---from Frank Brinkhuis:

> > the [Low] discography goes like this:
>
> Don't forget
>
> Finally EP (1996)
> Over The Ocean EP (1996)

I'm assuming these are actually singles from _The_Curtain_ that were only
released in the UK..?  Can we get tracklistings, record company info,
etc?  (Not that I'm anal-retentive or anything...)

Also, someone asked about their videos...I've never seen it, but I know
that a video for "Shame" (from _Long_Division_) exists.  It's apparently
made of fuzzy shots of a sad clown holding balloons, or something like
that.  Sounds appropriate enough!

---Jeremy 

...who hates the Fox corporation more and more every day.


Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 04:07:01 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: LOW discography continued


In a message dated 97-01-07 02:46:23 EST, you write:

<< f memory serves, 120 Minutes played a video (only one time of course) from
 the Long Division album. It was probably for the song "Violence" since that
 was the most approachable tune off that album. The video was all
 sepia-toned and had some old dude trying to give away balloons or
 something. >>
They showed "shame" twice.  I am shocked they played them at all.  Very
different type fare.


Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 09:48:12 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Metal Machine Music and Liz Fraser

              6, 97 08:51:29 am

 Jens Alfke  wrote on Mon, 6 Jan 1997
 (Subject: Re: Sweet Jane?)
 > RBNRy emits:
 > > Then again.  Mr.  Reed hasn't put out a truly decent record since
 > > "Transformer".
 >
 > Hey, what about "Metal Machine Music"?  Which is finally out on CD
 > now, and let me tell you that the added dynamic range really
 > reveals new layers of the, uh, music.

 Why did Lou put a couple of minutes of this on his box set, and half an
 hour of "Berlin"?  I've had this on CD for a few years now, I can't say
 I play it very often but it's nice to own it.  Every now and then when
 I'm feeling very strange I play it - it is like being sucked into a
 huge machine and ground into dust.  Or something like that.

 > Actually I have to confess to never having heard it in its vinyl
 > incarnation (which is incredibly hard to find, no?) -- but I did
 > force myself to sit through the whole CD just so I could say I did
 > (as I'm doing right now.) I have to say that it's the most
 > irritating, headache-inducing, harsh thing I've ever listened to
 > voluntarily, and yes that includes Merzbow, which tends more to
 > sheets of white noise, whereas MMM has this incredibly obnoxious
 > ~10Hz stutter in the left channel that drives you crazy.  I'm not
 > necessarily saying it's bad, but I haven't found the right _use_
 > for it yet.  Background music while programming ain't it.  But if
 > you've got a nightclub you need cleared out, or roommate you need
 > driven away, or some paint you need stripped, MMM would be a
 > godsend.

 The best thing about the album is Lester Bangs' appreciation of it -
 there are some great essays in "Psychotic Reactions" about MMM, which
 Lou admits (in the booklet from "Between Thought and Expression")
 really is just feedback.  I think there's more to it than just a guitar
 propped against an amp for an hour, though - if you listen carefully
 there is definitely some sort of structure and development.  My guess
 is that Lou was trying to make some sort of avant-garde masterpiece
 (his evaluation of the album when it was released) and when the result
 was an hour of horrible noise, decided to push for its release anyway.

 Found a single by BOM last week - limited edition (mine is 143/300)
 red vinyl in the most appalling cover I have ever seen.  Plastic bag
 printed with the band's logo in white paint which is flaking off like
 a snowstorm, and the "sleeve" is a rectangle of green crimplene like
 the trousers my cousin was mercilessly teased about recently ("Don't
 stand too near the fire, Rachael!").  Take out the record and the
 thing just collapses in a flurry of white specks.  The music is what
 you'd expect from an ex-Bunnyman (Jake, the keyboard player,
 unofficial "fifth member"), and Damon Reece who drummed with
 Spiritualized for a while.  Psychedelic pop, with Elizabeth Fraser
 doing vocals on "Roach", the A-side (apparently exclusive to this
 single, the B-side is an album track).  Not one of Liz's finest
 vocals, sounds a bit like a backing track from "Four Calendar Cafe".

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England
nja@le.ac.uk


Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 09:27:01 EST
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: Re: jill burkhart's low question/rhp


> i put three songs by low on the tape i sent you in sept.


ahhhh... don't you hate this?  i finally quit making tapes for
most people when my sister and I drove from south carolina to
austin, about 1200 miles.  midway through almost everyone of my
music choices:

        sister: "i like this, what is it?"

my replies started with "you should know, i taped it for you",
and probably ended with "i f*cking taped this also!!!".

on a side note: does anyone have the chords/tunings for red house
painter songs.  due to my lack of skill and their weird tunings(at
least for me), i'm having difficulty figuring any out.

thanks,
alan


Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 07:54:50 -0800
From: Dan Shubin (dans@europa.com)
Subject: Re: Metal Machine Music


My guess
>  is that Lou was trying to make some sort of avant-garde masterpiece
>  (his evaluation of the album when it was released) and when the result
>  was an hour of horrible noise, decided to push for its release anyway.

My recollection is that Lou Reed was trying to get out of his
contractual agreement with RCA records by putting out one more record.
And that that record would be so abhorant to the folks at RCA that 1) he
could treat it as an insult to the company, and 2) they would never ask
him to reprieve his effort.  It's funny now that MMM is talked about
like some sort of masterpiece.  It was a joke, a slap in the face.


Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 01:40:54 -0500
From: "Jeff with two F's" (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: "Sliding & Diving" 7"


Anyone have an extra ADD6018 they're willing to sell or access to one?
Please respond to me via private e-mail to: redshift@interlog.com

Jeff Keibel
Scarborough, ON
CANADA

Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 10:59:23 -0700
From: shar everett (sharlito@TELEPORT.COM)
Subject: CANADA/TORONTO


this is a bit of a strange request for this list but, i am a determined girl...


i know that someone on this list is in toronto - i think his name is jeff
kibel user name red shift...???

i am looking for a book that was published there and am having a difficult
time finding/importing it to the us.
i would greatly appreciate it if jeff or somone else in the toronto area
would contact me....

thanks!
shar
sharlito@teleport.com


Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 16:41:55 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Metal Machine Music (fwd)


 Dan Shubin  wrote on Tue, 7 Jan 1997
 (Subject: Re: Metal Machine Music)
 > My guess
 > > is that Lou was trying to make some sort of avant-garde
 > > masterpiece (his evaluation of the album when it was released)
 > > and when the result was an hour of horrible noise, decided to
 > > push for its release anyway.
 >
 > My recollection is that Lou Reed was trying to get out of his
 > contractual agreement with RCA records by putting out one more
 > record.  And that that record would be so abhorant to the folks at
 > RCA that 1) he could treat it as an insult to the company, and 2)
 > they would never ask him to reprieve his effort.  It's funny now
 > that MMM is talked about like some sort of masterpiece.  It was a
 > joke, a slap in the face.

 There's the contractual obligation side too, of course, but I still
 maintain that there's too much evidence of manipulation of the sound
 on MMM to accept Lou's claim nowadays that it was simply recorded by
 letting a guitar feed back for the duration (not that I buy his claim
 at the time that extracts of all the world's great classical
 symphonies are hidden in the SKREEEEE either).  He was certainly
 trying to make an extreme, confrontational, offensive album, and
 succeeded magnificently (the previous album, "Sally Can't Dance", was
 his greatest commercial success to date despite his being absent one
 way or another for most of the recording, which apparently grated after
 "Berlin" had flopped).

 I had a self-indulgent Sunday this weekend, and listened to the whole
 of Flying Saucer Attack's music, in random order.  The first album,
 which I had previously thought very noisy, now seems tamer and I'm more
 attuned to the melancholy, folky side of it - same happened with
 "Psychocandy", which I remember at the time of its release seeming very
 extreme, but now seems quite gentle and tuneful.  Perhaps if I listen
 to MMM enough it'll become less grating, and perhaps I'll even start to
 hear Tchaikovsky somewhere in there...


--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England
nja@le.ac.uk


Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 13:48:18 -0500
From: Jill Burkart (starla@IGLOU.COM)
Subject: Re: jill burkhart's low question/rhp


On Tue, 7 Jan 1997, Alan Daniel wrote:

> > i put three songs by low on the tape i sent you in sept.
>
>
> ahhhh... don't you hate this?  i finally quit making tapes for
> most people when my sister and I drove from south carolina to
> austin, about 1200 miles.  midway through almost everyone of my
> music choices:
>
>         sister: "i like this, what is it?"
>
> my replies started with "you should know, i taped it for you",
> and probably ended with "i f*cking taped this also!!!".

Alright alright...so I don't know the names of the artists on the tape.  I
spent all of last semester killing myself with senior level statistics
classes and working all the time and since break, I was working even more
and out of town most of the time.  My apologies to Jeremy but, Alan, you
don't have to be so rude.  God, I'm only human.

This is my last post about this to the whole list.  I'm sure they're less
than thrilled to read about it.


Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 14:36:46 -0500
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Michael Brook nominated for Grammy


Announced today...  4AD's Michael Brook lands a Grammy nomination.
Granted it's not for a 4AD album, but still good news all around!  Look
out for Michael Brook's new 4AD album, the soundtrack to "Albino
Alligator" in mid-February (CAD7003/CAD7003CD)...

Category 58
Best World Music Album
For Albums only, either vocal or instrumental.

Santiago
The Chieftains
[RCA Victor]

Tabula Rasa
Bela Fleck, V.M. Bhatt & Jie-Bing Chen
[Water Lily Acoustics]

Tierra Gitana
Gipsy Kings
[Nonesuch Records]

Legacy
Ali Akbar Khan
[Triloka/AMMP Records]

Night Song
Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan & Michael Brook
[Real World Records]

My People
Joe Zawinul
[Escapade Music]

-

Jeff Keibel
Scarborough, ON
CANADA
redshift@interlog.com

Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 15:01:50 -0500
From: RBNRy@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Tanya Donnelly EP


>>I saw a copy of the Tanya Donnelly EP at a local store, and I was wondering
if it was worth the $11 asking price, and also what it sounds like.(AMPish,
BELLYish, etc.)<<

Nope. STEREOLABish. At least that first track is. I mean really really
STEREOLABish too...'cept no French accent.

$11 is about the average I'd say as well (anything between $10 and $12.
Wouldn't pay more than $12).

All in all, pretty decent. Do not expect Belly.

Roy

P.S. Are the colors for Mai Pen Rai in the FAQ? Too lazy to look. Actually,
too busy to look.


Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 08:44:31 +1100
From: Andrew Fries (afries@zip.com.au)
Subject: Re: Tanya Donnelly EP


> All in all, pretty decent. Do not expect Belly.

I agree with the first part - pretty decent. But to me it sounds very
much like Tanya Donelly, hence like Belly. Granted, the first track has
this drum machine that throws you off a bit - but it still has this
quirkiness and voice that leaves no doubt who this is! Restless is a
ballad not unlike some you'd find on Belly singles, and of the other two
tracks at least one sounds like it's an out-take from "King" recording
sessions.
I was quite upset to hear Belly broke up, but this EP makes me look
forward to her solo record with confidence. I'm sure I'll like it.

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You don't have to like me
for who I am but we'll see
what you're made of by
what you make of me....
                           ani difranco

visit me at http://www.zip.com.au/~afries/index.html
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 16:19:04 EST
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: Re: jill burkhart's low question/alan's mistaken flame


> and out of town most of the time.  My apologies to Jeremy but, Alan, you
> don't have to be so rude.  God, I'm only human.
>

jill, my reply wasn't meant as an attack on you.  that's why i took your
name out of the message, but i just realized i left it in the subject
heading... sorry.  the original message had made me laugh when i first
read it because it reminded me of the trip.  just about everything i brought
was fairly tame so i wouldn't annoy my sister... this way i could avoid hearing
widespread panic(shudder), pearl jam(double shudder), and many other bands
i loathe.  i thought she would like most of it if she had been given a chance
to hear it, which is why i had taped them for her in the first place.  i swear
she must have not listened to a single tape, cause she didn't recognize one
disc, but seemed to truely love them all.  it made me laugh to know that i
had probably wasted my time making all these tapes.  granted these were
tapes of complete albums and not a mix tape.  the last time i made a tape
for someone other than the usual people i trade tapes, i made it into somewhat
of a contest to see if my friend actually listened to it.  another humorous
story, but i'll spare you guys.

if the jason with an email address similiar to "srilanka" made it this
far, give me an email... i think i have a 7" that you've been trying
to trade for with a skin graft/vital organ.

Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 16:29:08 +0000
From: gruisinger@POP.UMKC.EDU
Subject: Re: Low


> ---from Frank Brinkhuis:
>
> > > the [Low] discography goes like this:
> >
> > Don't forget
> >
> > Finally EP (1996)
> > Over The Ocean EP (1996)
>
> I'm assuming these are actually singles from _The_Curtain_ that were only
> released in the UK..?  Can we get tracklistings, record company info,
> etc?  (Not that I'm anal-retentive or anything...)
>
>
> ---Jeremy 
>
> ...who hates the Fox corporation more and more every day.

_Finally..._ [Vernon Yard: YARD 22] was actually released
before either the LP or CD for _The Curtain Hits the Cast_.
1) Anon
2) Tomorrow One
3) Prisoner
4) Turning Over
If you have the LP version of the album, then the only song on this
EP that you don't have is track 4.  Otherwise the only one have
"Anon". I don't believe that there was a vinyl version of this
release, either.

_Over the Ocean_ [Vernon Yard: YARD24CD] has the following tracks:
1) Over the Ocean
2) Violence
3) Being There

Tracks one and two are the album versions, but track three is new.
There is a 7" version of this release, which only has tracks one and
two, and they are also the album versions.

--gary


Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 19:06:02 -0500
From: u menya nye sevodnya (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Nico


Naor wrote:

>could it be that heroin addiction does this things to the voice ?
>lou reed's voice change is nothing compared with what happened to Nico.
>listen to some of her last recordings, she sounds like Leonard Cohen.
>scary !!!

According to John Cale, she also had some intermittent hearing loss in one
of her ears so that every so often when she was singing she would go way
waaaaay out of pitch without realising it...

Someone mentioned Bettie Serveert's version of Dylan's "I'll Keep It With
Mine" - Nico's version is good too (Dylan considered Nico to have 'stolen'
the song from him and so never sings it himself)

Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 18:55:39 EST
From: "C.K. Coney" (violaine@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: Sweet Jane?


On Mon, 6 Jan 1997 08:51:29 -0800 Jens Alfke  writes:
>RBNRy emits:
>>Then again. Mr. Reed hasn't put out a truly decent record since
>>"Transformer".
>
>Hey, what about "Metal Machine Music"? Which is finally out on CD now,
>and let me tell you that the added dynamic range really reveals new
>layers of the, uh, music. Actually I have to confess to never having
>heard it in its vinyl incarnation (which is incredibly hard to find,
>no?)
>-- but I did force myself to sit through the whole CD just so I could
>say
>I did (as I'm doing right now.) I have to say that it's the most
>irritating, headache-inducing, harsh thing I've ever listened to

Brings back fond memories of the time back in '75 or so when I was
working at a listener-sponsored fm radio station in P-Burgh...during one
pleadge drive (aka the "beg-a-thon"), I played Metal Machine Music
non-stop til I got the pledges I needed for my airshift quota! Nothing
like a little aural torture to wrangle money out of public radio
audiences! At least it worked for me!

Carol

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