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Subject: Re: My Top Ten whatever
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 22:53:22 -0800
From: Jon Gabriel (jongab@MAIL.IDT.NET)
Subject: Re: My Top Ten whatever
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 01:40:22 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: shoegazing 101.
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 09:59:41 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: The Curtain Hits the Band
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 04:56:11 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Re: The Curtain Hits the Band/Low
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:08:11 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: Velour 100
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:07:18 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Low
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 10:51:25 -0500
From: Christian Hasiewicz (106345.2727@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Debased in reality...
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:02:43 -0500
From: "Jeff with two F's" (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Low
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:53:54 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Sweet Jane?
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 08:51:29 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Tanya Donnelly EP
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 12:33:53 -0800
From: [suppressed]
Subject: Re: Metal Machine "Music"
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 21:18:45 GMT
From: Kurt Revis (krevis@UGCS.CALTECH.EDU)
Subject: jill burkhart's low question
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 17:04:44 -0600
From: jcleveland@CLANDJOP.COM
Subject: LOW discography continued
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 16:26:27 +0000
From: gruisinger@POP.UMKC.EDU
Subject: CD Prices
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 18:36:43 -0800
From: "West Coast Musicians Online (WCMO)" (eella@CWO.COM)

Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 22:53:22 -0800
From: Jon Gabriel (jongab@MAIL.IDT.NET)
Subject: Re: My Top Ten whatever


On Sun, 5 Jan 1997, Jill Burkart murmured...

>Low keeps showing up on Top 10 lists all over the place.  Who are they?
>what do they sound like?  I'm rather interested because they're playing
>live here soon.
>
>Thanks,

Low began as an experiment in playing "low and slow" by the husband and
wife duo of Alan Sparhawk and Mimi Parker. Bassist Zak Sally later joined
the Duluth band to complement Alan's guitar and Mimi's one snare-one cymbal
drum kit.

Their sound is very minimalist consisting of v-e-r-y slow beats (even
slower than Codeine), ringing guitar, enigmatic lyrics, and the beautifully
droney vocals of Alan and Mimi.

Their discography is:
I Could Live in Hope (1994?)
Long Division (1995)
Transmission EP (1996)
The Curtain Hits the Cast (1996)

I really don't know of any other bands to compare their sound to. I guess
if you enjoy Codeine, Red House Painters, or Idaho, you will probably like
Low.

BTW, Low is mesmerizing in concert...see them!!!



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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 01:40:22 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: My Top Ten whatever


In a message dated 97-01-05 22:03:56 EST, you write:

<< Low keeps showing up on Top 10 lists all over the place.  Who are they?
 what do they sound like?  I'm rather interested because they're playing
 live here soon. >>

Low is very minimalist music--a guitar, a bass, and a snare drum usually.  AP
said that if Low gets any more bare, it will not be music, just silence.  It
is odd music--slow and depressing sounding, but at the same it fulls you into
thinking it is full.  The vocals are done by a male and female.  To imagine
it, imagine the song "You are my sunshine"  or Joy Division's "Transmission"
slowed down half way (they have done both).  Love it.


Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 09:59:41 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: shoegazing 101.

              30, 96 10:31:17 pm

 Jens Alfke  wrote on Mon, 30 Dec 1996
 (Subject: Re: shoegazing 101.)
 > Jason srilank wrote:
 > > I would be willing to bet that most of these bands were heavily
 > > influenced by Spacemen 3, who epitomize innovation and thus, were
 > > influenced by no one :)

 Bought the Silver Apples tribute over Christmas, so now I know where
 Sonic got the lyrics for "Repeater" (on the album with the MC5 rip-off
 sleeve, which also contains their BIG HIT "Revolution", lyrics also by
 Detroit's second best proto-punk group).

 > Darryl Roy wrote:
 > > Third Eye Foundation (critical darlings, Flying Saucer Attack
 > > cohort does the FSA thing to jungle beats and Seefeel blips.)
 >
 > Just bought the "Semtex" album and have been listening to it in
 > bursts on my new-for-Xmas car CD player.  As far as I can tell only
 > track 1 really has a jungle thang going on, and it's the only track
 > that doesn't work.  The rest of it is more minimal and definitely
 > in the same territory as Amp, although I still think Amp's album is
 > superior due to its wider range of styles and sounds.  So why are
 > 3EF getting 10x the hype of Amp?  Do Amp just need to remix "Rave
 > Mantra" with a stuttery breakbeat so critics can drop the dreaded
 > "J" word?

 I prefer 3EF - Amp's album seems unfocussed to me, though perhaps I
 just haven't listened to it enough.  The Domino "Semtex" 12" is also
 pretty wonderful, I made tapes of a lot of vinyl stuff over the break
 (my parents have a tape deck attached to their record player, I don't),
 and was listening to Ganger and 3EF on the train - "Semtex" is perfect
 train journey music.  "Universal Cooler" is a bit dodgy, and the
 Amp/3EF collaboration "Ombres" is basically Amp.  Incidentally, isn't
 Matt (3EF) Amp's drummer anyway?  Or is this another one of those
 incestuous Bristol scene myths?

 "Harmony of the Spheres" arrived on Friday - the high point of an
 otherwise fairly gloomy Christmas - hope everyone had a better time
 than I did.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England
nja@le.ac.uk


Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 04:56:11 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: The Curtain Hits the Band


>Low keeps showing up on Top 10 lists all over the place.  Who are they?
>what do they sound like?  I'm rather interested because they're playing
>live here soon.
>
>Thanks,

Low are a trio (Alan Sparhawk, Mimi Parker & Zak Sally) from Duluth,
Minnesota who play ultra-slow, ultra-long, sparse and moody compositions
with some on the last album clocking in at 10-14 min. This stuff is in a class
all its own. All I can say is if you hear them and like them, then you're
hooked.
I recently got Curtain Hits the Cast and I can't stop listening to it. The
combination
of Alan and Mimi's vocals backed by the ultra slow beats and twangy guitar
is phenomenal. I love "Words" on I Could Live in Hope. I could listen to that in
my car over and over again. Their recordings are found on the Vernon
Yard label carried by Caroline, most of their stuff produced by Kramer (who has
produced many including Galaxie 500) and the discography goes like this:

I Could Live in Hope
Transmission EP
Long Division
The Curtain Hits the Cast

They are starting a North American tour supporting the Swans
apparently (Soundtracks for the Blind was another top 20 choice
of mine this year) so go and definately check them out, you won't
see a quieter band, or anything else more enigmatic this year.
But then I "kinda like them" so I'm biased.

Steven

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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:08:11 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: The Curtain Hits the Band/Low


>the discography goes like this:
>
>I Could Live in Hope
>Transmission EP
>Long Division
>The Curtain Hits the Cast

Don't forget

Finally EP (1996)
Over The Ocean EP (1996)

Frank
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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:07:18 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: Velour 100


JJR Tolkien wrote:

>I really love this stuff and need
>more of anything that Warren Defever, Trey Many, and anyone in HNiA
>has has done that is like this. I already have the HNiA albums
>Livonia, Home is in your Head/The Dirt Eaters, Mouth by Mouth, and
>Stars on ESP. I also have Tarnation - Gental Creatures, and album
>that has a few songs recorded at Warren's house. I am aware that I
>still need to get King of Sweet. If anyone can help me with that and
>any information on any other essentials of these people... I would
>REALLY appreciate it. Thanks...

Try Grenadine's album 'Nopalitos' (and the 7" from that album,
'Christiansen'), recorded at Time Stereo/Warren's House as well. Check out:


for the details about these discs.

Frank



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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 10:51:25 -0500
From: Christian Hasiewicz (106345.2727@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Low


Greetings from Hamburg to the World!

Jill Burkart wrote:
>Low keeps showing up on Top 10 lists all over the place.  Who are they?
>what do they sound like?  I'm rather interested because they're playing
>live here soon.

>Thanks,

I just bought me Lowīs "The curtain hits the cast" these days: itīs
incredible,  wonderful; something that keeps me warm currently (while its
above -20°C outsides...).
So donīt miss them, Jill...

Now to something completely different: does anyone know the band "Heavenly
bodies"? I heard a beautiful song of them a few years ago, the first and
last time I heard of them at all... Does somebody know them?

Best wishes

                                                 CHRISTIAN HASIEWICZ


Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:02:43 -0500
From: "Jeff with two F's" (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Debased in reality...


Extrapolated from CMJ New Music, Jan. 1997, from an interview with
Robert Forster, ex-member of The Go Betweens:

On lyrics:  "To me, there's a really long time between when the first
verse happens and the next verse, in terms of the story of the song, and
I often wonder how to pick up the thread from one verse to the next.
Every verse in something of a fresh start.  Also, everything I do is
grounded in reality, it's not the mystic, let's look in the dictionary
for strange words, 4AD sort of lyrics."

If I wasn't wearing such a well-insulated winter coat, I would have
sworn this Beggars Banquet recording artist just slammed 4AD!  I always
like Grant McLennan better anyways...

Jeff Keibel
Scarborough, ON
CANADA
redshift@interlog.dom


Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:53:54 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Low


In a message dated 97-01-06 12:28:11 EST, you write:

<< Now to something completely different: does anyone know the band "Heavenly
 bodies"? I heard a beautiful song of them a few years ago, the first and
 last time I heard of them at all... Does somebody know them? >>

I have their cd.  "Rain on Me" is probably the song you are talking about.
 It is a great cd.  Two of the people who play instruments on the album are
from DCD I believe.


Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 08:51:29 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Sweet Jane?


RBNRy emits:
>Then again. Mr. Reed hasn't put out a truly decent record since
>"Transformer".

Hey, what about "Metal Machine Music"? Which is finally out on CD now,
and let me tell you that the added dynamic range really reveals new
layers of the, uh, music. Actually I have to confess to never having
heard it in its vinyl incarnation (which is incredibly hard to find, no?)
-- but I did force myself to sit through the whole CD just so I could say
I did (as I'm doing right now.) I have to say that it's the most
irritating, headache-inducing, harsh thing I've ever listened to
voluntarily, and yes that includes Merzbow, which tends more to sheets of
white noise, whereas MMM has this incredibly obnoxious ~10Hz stutter in
the left channel that drives you crazy.
I'm not necessarily saying it's bad, but I haven't found the right _use_
for it yet. Background music while programming ain't it. But if you've
got a nightclub you need cleared out, or roommate you need driven away,
or some paint you need stripped, MMM would be a godsend.

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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 12:33:53 -0800
From: [suppressed]
Subject: Tanya Donnelly EP


I saw a copy of the Tanya Donnelly EP at a local store, and I was
wondering if it was worth the $11 asking price, and also what it sounds
like.(AMPish, BELLYish, etc.)


Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 21:18:45 GMT
From: Kurt Revis (krevis@UGCS.CALTECH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Metal Machine "Music"


Jens Alfke  sez:
>I'm not necessarily saying it's bad, but I haven't found the right _use_
>for it yet. Background music while programming ain't it.

Actually, I've found that it works well for that, as long as you're
*really* tired. It's almost like a sonic amphetamine--which is probably not
much of a stretch from what Reed & Co were taking at the time.

(Just about any 'bad' music will do as well; my favorites are the _Eraserhead_
soundtrack and the _Saturday_Night_Fever_ album.)

-k

Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 17:04:44 -0600
From: jcleveland@CLANDJOP.COM
Subject: jill burkhart's low question


i put three songs by low on the tape i sent you in sept.
shane
jcleveland@clandjop.com


Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 16:26:27 +0000
From: gruisinger@POP.UMKC.EDU
Subject: LOW discography continued


> >the discography goes like this:
> >
> >I Could Live in Hope
> >Transmission EP
> >Long Division
> >The Curtain Hits the Cast
>
> Don't forget
>
> Finally EP (1996)
> Over The Ocean EP (1996)
>
> Frank
While we are adding things, here are some FANTASTIC compilation

"Peanut Butter Toast and American Bandstand" - _When I'm Hungry I
Eat_ [Gourmandizer GMZ001] -just under two minutes of pure, emotive
genius.

"I Started a Joke" (Bee Gees) - _Jabberjaw...Pure Sweet Hell_
[Mammoth MR0133] -Mimi REALLY sings on this one.  Quite disconcerting
at first, but all the more enjoyable.

"Lust" (different version) - _Indie-Rock Flea Market  Part 2_ [Fl!p
#1] -I still can't figure this one out.  Sounds like my turntable is
busted when I play it. In a good way.

The first two are still available, easy to find, etc, but I am not
sure about the third.  It is 7inch only, I believe.  Also, it has
been alleged that there is/will be a Low/Lois split single.  ANyone
have any info?  I feel a bit guilty, using up 4AD bandwidth to discuss Low.
Is there a Low list?
--gary
PS-I also have the video of "Over the Ocean"--are there any others?


Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 18:36:43 -0800
From: "West Coast Musicians Online (WCMO)" (eella@CWO.COM)
Subject: CD Prices


Hello everyone,
does anyone know any good prices or companies that provide low cost CD
recordings for interested bands? What is the approximate price to have a CD
made  ?
Thanks in advance
Yasa

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