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Subject: Pixies song reference
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 01:14:49 -0500
From: My Razorblade Suitcase weighs Sixteen Stone
Subject: lyriq cuest
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 01:40:54 EST
From: Jeremy L Orr (j.orr@JUNO.COM)
Subject: *THE* Top Ten of 1996
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 00:58:50 -0800
From: Jon Gabriel (jongab@MAIL.IDT.NET)
Subject: Re: Pixies song reference
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 05:01:46 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: sweet jane
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 17:10:10 PST
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: Re: Sweet Jane
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 10:50:42 -0500
From: dan klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: VU / Pixies
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 11:59:31 -0500
From: u menya nye sevodnya (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Jack (The 13th month, that is)
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 14:00:34 -0500
From: "Jeff with two F's" (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Pixies song reference
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 13:00:19 +0600
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Shinro Ohtake Archive.
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 00:02:40 +0100
From: matthias walzner (artbooks@WWW-STUDIO.COM)
Subject: Lush and Garbage Pail Kids
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 16:46:16 -0800
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)

Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 01:14:49 -0500
From: My Razorblade Suitcase weighs Sixteen Stone
Subject: Pixies song reference


I was listening to my alternative rock station - K-ROck and there's
this song by the Bloodhound Gang called "Fire Water Burn" ("The roof,
the roof, the roof is on fire") and he said "I"m not black like Barry
White, I'm white like Frank Black" and after that I thought that was
the final reference until he said "If man is 5, and devil is 6, then I
must be 7, oh this monkey's gone to heaven" and I'm sitting here "Whoa
dood.... " so i called the radio station adn asked who sung it so now
I know :)
Thot you all might like to know :)
ttyl
-lynn


Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 01:40:54 EST
From: Jeremy L Orr (j.orr@JUNO.COM)
Subject: lyriq cuest


---but first, from Aaron Hill on the meaning of "Trompe le Monde":

> > It's French for "Fool the world".
>
> To the French though it is more idiomatic in that it sorta means as
> well "Fuck the World."  Tromper has an argot (slang) interpretation
> for fuck.  You will frequently hear guys say "J'ai trompe cette fille."
> (I fucked this girl.)

Very interesting and totally cool.  Now that's the kind of shit I'm here
for.  :G)  Granted, I'm an etymology freak, anyway...(although,
ironically, I had to check the dictionary before using the e-word for
fear I was thinking of the wrong ology)

Anyway, I'm generally not one for placing much emphasis on lyrics, but I
simply must get my hands on a copy of the lyric sheet for Kitchens of
Distinction's _Love_Is_Hell_.  I think they included it with a 12" vinyl
EP or something like that which is totally obscure and impossible to find
now.  If anyone has a copy that they could photocopy for me, I'd be most
appreciative.

I'm also rather curious about Tricky's "Overcome", Garbage's "Milk"
(well, just the second line...she's what?!?), and the entirety of Prefab
Sprout's _Two_Wheels_Good_ (known as _Steve_McQueen_ outside the US).  If
anyone has any insight into these, or if you know of a good web site with
"unofficial" lyrics for me, that could be just as interesting.

And for some slightly more thislisty content, I picked up a copy of
Scala's _Lips_&_Heaven_ right before Xmas.  When I heard someone here say
that it had now been deleted by Too Pure, I sighed heavily and trudged
into Bill's Records in Dallas, since that was the only place I could find
it.  I felt like walking backwards up to the counter, since I knew I
would be...er, gouged, and I wasn't disappointed.  $16 I paid for the
thing!  Anyway, it's pretty mediocre, IMHO...not nearly as interesting as
some of the raves I'd read about it.  Well, tracks 2, 3, and 4 are pretty
decent (especially "Pain and Pleasure"), but "VDT" is so stupid that it
about ruins the whole thing.  My first thought upon its maiden voyage was
"ah...so that's why Clifford renders her vocals incomprehensible".  The
lyrics are just embarrassingly bad.  And haven't we declared a moratorium
on that "When the Levee Breaks" drum loop yet?  And if not, why?

---Jeremy 

"She knows what God gave her eyelashes for."


Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 00:58:50 -0800
From: Jon Gabriel (jongab@MAIL.IDT.NET)
Subject: *THE* Top Ten of 1996


I have stumbled to the keyboard from my sickbed and will fight the
chemical-induced fog created by Alka Seltzer Plus Nighttime Cold Medicine
(R) to unveil...


Half String, "A Fascination with Heights"
     Just when you thought every noisy-dream-pop band had gone
retro-cheese, this Tempe, AZ, group delivers another platter of perfection.
While the remnants of Ride, Pale Saints, Slowdive, Lush, Catherine Wheel,
et al, scan the British music press to determine which stylistic wave to
jump onto next, Half String just focuses on producing beautiful music.

His Name Is Alive, "Stars on E.S.P."
     Listening to this CD is like dropping acid with a beautiful woman and
then joining in on a praise and worship service at a black Baptist church.
Not that I've ever tried this. The scary thing is that I think Warren
Defever comes up with all this stuff while he's sober.

Labradford, "Labradford"
     Strings and moogs and bass guitars drone over barely audible
mutterings. Brilliant and undefined. Icy and warm at the same time. Kind of
like a good sports creme.

Lilys, "Better Can't Make Your Life Better"
     Based on the amount of time it spent in my CD player, this and
"Interbabe Concern" qualify as my soundtracks for 1996. DroneyNoisePop goes
BubbleGum. The songs stick in your mind like old taffy sticks in dental
work. Some of the best damn pop I've heard in my lifetime.

Loud Family, "Interbabe Concern"
     Wow. Scott Miller again surpasses himself with his mensa-crypto-pop
(How many qualifiers can I prefix the word "pop" with?!). Artistic
revelation this poignant comes along once in a generation. How can one man
be *this* @#$*!-ing talented?! In other words, i like this one a lot.

Low, "The Curtain Hits the Cast"
     One of my highpoints of the year was a September drive alone through
Monument Valley while this tape played loud. Talk about a perfect
soundtrack. Sparse yet full, vast yet tiny. My blood pressure dropped to
dangerous levels.

Soul Coughing, "Irresistable Bliss"
     Weird, geeky, funky tunes that stick to your bones. Lyrical
non-sequitirs, unpredictable splits, and ubiquitous beats make this *the*
fun recording of the year. The first band to put a steady smile on my face
since TMBG became "serious artistes."  "Is you are a dog? Is you got a dog?
Is you is a dog?"

Stereolab, "Emperor Tomato Ketchup"
     Despite the detractors who ruled this album as too much of a
departure, this is an incredible album. It is so full of hooks with such a
wide variety of styles, it almost sounds like a best-of album. Brilliant!
And remember, just because it's popular doesn't mean it isn't good.

Underworld, "Second Toughest in the Infants"
     Few can give techno relevance or artistry. Underworld does. Don't
judge them on "Born Slippy" (which I think is weaker than every song on
this album). Just try to follow the intricate beats on "Pearl's Girl" and
tell me that techno is artless.

Velour 100, "Fall Sounds"
     I'm too tired and medicated to write another long-winded description.
Let it suffice to say that this was the *perfect* B-side to my Low "Curtain
Hits the Cast" tape. Produced by Warren Defever.


Back to my deathbed!  ZZZZZzzzz z  z   z    z


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Everyone surrenders to the brave new scarecrows
 And wait for them to hand us cigarettes and blindfolds."
          -- Mark Heard

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>  J O N   G A B R I E L  <
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 t e m p e , a r i z o n a
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 05:01:46 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Pixies song reference


In a message dated 97-01-04 01:52:47 EST, you write:

<< I was listening to my alternative rock station - K-ROck and there's
 this song by the Bloodhound Gang called "Fire Water Burn" ("The roof,
 the roof, the roof is on fire") and he said "I"m not black like Barry
 White, I'm white like Frank Black" and after that I thought that was
 the final reference until he said "If man is 5, and devil is 6, then I
 must be 7, oh this monkey's gone to heaven" and I'm sitting here "Whoa
 dood.... " so i called the radio station adn asked who sung it so now
 I know :)
 Thot you all might like to know :) >>

I love this song--It is sooo funny.  The video has been on 120 Minutes and it
is pretty cool too.


Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 17:10:10 PST
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: Re: sweet jane


>Was it the Cowboy junkies or Mazzy Star who wrote "Sweet Jane"?---Um,
>Try VU, the Velvet Underground who wrote and recorded it back in the
>spring of 1970. The Velvets developed a sound that would carry on to
>today.

>>Congratulations, Dan, you've been trolled!

this was almost as obvious as your last trolling attempt using the
breeders. what's the matter Jens, the wicked witch put you on a diet of
fresh newbie meat only B:)
-naor-

"I see angles mickey, and I see you riding on a big white stallion..."
                                            (the cowboy junkies)


Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 10:50:42 -0500
From: dan klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Sweet Jane


On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, Steven Venn wrote:

> And Lou Reed was seen on Toronto's New Music program
> saying that it was the only version of the song that he really
> liked. He also dedicated a version at one of his concerts to
> the Junkies by slowing it down in the middle and saying
> "This is for the Cowboy Junkies".
>


        the "slowed-down," alternate arrangement of "sweet jane" which
        the cowboy junkies perform with such characteristic stankness
        is, as Jens alluded to in his original post, a bona-fide
        VU/reed arrangement which is available on the "live 1969" set.
        there is also a prototype version of "new age" on this recording
        with different lyrics. swell cover art to boot!


        any word on the 1997 v23 calendar yet? good thing that last
        year's saw fit to include an extra month....


 ***********************************************************************

        "Smash the control images Samsh the control machine"
                          W.S. Burroughs


   Professor Daniel B. Klyn--Dept. of Comparative Realities--LSD Univ.
 ***********************************************************************


Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 11:59:31 -0500
From: u menya nye sevodnya (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: VU / Pixies


With a wink and a grin, Jens wrote:

>And I have an old album by Live called "Velvet Underground 1969" that
>rocks my world. It has a great cover of that Cowboy Junkies (or is it
>Mazzy Star?) song "Sweet Jane"!! In fact they do a lot of covers, come to
>think of it, but that was an old album before I guess they wrote more of
>their own better songs (and their singer's voice finally changed.)

Yeah, I can't understand why she'd want to sing in such a nasal voice. She
sounds like a guy.

Speaking of Mazzy star, though, does anyone else think 'Flowers in December'
sounds a bit like the Go-Betweens?


Dan, winner of the award for Missing the Joke Entirely, asked:

> Does anybody know what ever happened to Smashing Orange?

I think they last put out something two years ago, by which time they had
adopted more of a 'rawk' sound and the singer began sounding disconcertingly
like Jim Morrison and trying very hard to look like Richard from Verve.

Aaron wrote:

> It's French for "Fool the world".
>  >>
>To the French though it is more idiomatic in that it sorta means as well
>"Fuck the World."  Tromper has an argot (slang) interpretation for fuck.  You
>will frequently hear guys say "J'ai trompe cette fille." (I fucked this
>girl.)

Tromper still has a general meaning of 'fool' though - also in the sense of
'be unfaithful', e.g. "Sa femme l'a trompe'" = His wife cheated on him


Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 14:00:34 -0500
From: "Jeff with two F's" (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Jack (The 13th month, that is)


dan klyn wrote:
any word on the 1997 v23 calendar yet? good thing that last year's saw
fit to include an extra month....

Actually, I believe v23 has used this extra "Jack" month in each of
their calendars.  Which is nice cuz it gives everyone an extra month to
think up resolutions they're just gonna break anyways.

Skeet Keibel
Cliffside Manor
overlooking the lake
in beautiful Scarberia


Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 13:00:19 +0600
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Pixies song reference

              Sat, 4 Jan 1997 05:01:46 -0500

>   << I was listening to my alternative rock station -
>   K-ROck and there's  this song by the Bloodhound Gang
>   called "Fire Water Burn" ...
>   he said "I"m not black like Barry
>   White, I'm white like Frank Black" and ...
>   I'm sitting here "Whoa dood.... " >>
>
>   I love this song--It is sooo funny.  The video has been
>   on 120 Minutes and it is pretty cool too.

Where were you two LAST time we talked about this?  ... and while were on the
topic, do you ppl. *actually* like this song?  I found it slightly amusing but
otherwise totally devoid of merit.  I wonder if Barry White fans are out there
going goo goo over this song too.

-cz


Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 00:02:40 +0100
From: matthias walzner (artbooks@WWW-STUDIO.COM)
Subject: Shinro Ohtake Archive.


Dear friends of Shinro Ohtake`s artwork,

at first: a Happy New Year 1997.

Finally I have found the time to scan pictures of all artbooks by Shinro
Ohtake and to complete the pages with all information (nearly) about his
ART into the site.

I hope that this site can now be seen as the definite Shinro Ohtake Archive
on the Net.

Please check out:


Comments, Suggestions, ERRORS and further information are always welcomed.

Best Regards and again A Happy New Year,


matthias.

artbooks@www-studio.com


Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 16:46:16 -0800
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Lush and Garbage Pail Kids


    Any news on Lush yet? Are they even still together? By the way did
you know that Miki means tummy in Japanese? I think so any way.....

    Oh does anyone here have Garbage Pail Kids they'd like to part
with? I know this isn't the place to ask but I thought I would anyway!


                                                Brian