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Subject: Re: Bettie Serveert
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 01:41:56 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: 10" long and damn proud...
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 01:53:52 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Throwing Muses
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 03:39:51 -0500
From: "Jeff with two F's" (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: 10" long and damn proud...
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 03:26:06 -0500
From: "Jeff with two F's" (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Elysian Fields
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 06:44:26 -0500
From: u menya nye sevodnya (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Elysian Fields
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 10:42:02 PST
From: Tom Weibrecht (tweibrecht@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: Elysian Fields
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 08:37:29 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Elysian Fields
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 12:41:55 +0000
From: "Mr. Dan Cunha" (D.Cunha@ix.netcom.com)
Subject: Re: Elysian Fields
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 17:20:13 -0500
From: FA ken clinger (clinger@DUQ2.CC.DUQ.EDU)
Subject: beating a dead pixie - trompe le monde
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 15:43:38 EST
From: Scott Davies (sdavies@VNET.IBM.COM)
Subject: Re: Elysian Fields
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 14:52:06 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Lush tour music
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 18:49:42 -0500
From: Roger Mrazek (RogBoy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Elysian Fields
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 16:46:21 -0800
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: beating a dead pixie - trompe le monde
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 16:14:14 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: beating a dead pixie - trompe le monde
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 21:06:13 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Sweet Jane
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 18:30:17 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)

Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 01:41:56 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Bettie Serveert


In a message dated 96-12-31 03:16:23 EST, you write:

<< The new album from Bettie Serveert is called "Dust Bunnies" and will be
 released on Matador in North America on March 25th on all formats.  I
 don't know if Beggars Banquet is releasing it in the UK or not.  Also, I
 wonder if the album title is related in anyway to fellow Matador roster-
 ites Dustdevils...  Probably no connection.  Go figure. >>

BTW, I saw a movie called "I Shot Andy Warhol."  The last song was great and
by Bettie Serveert.  It was a cover of Dylan's "I'll Keep it With Mine."  Was
this ever released as a single?

Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 01:53:52 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: 10" long and damn proud...


Redshift, you are the coolest.  You have the most relavent comments.  And I
LOVE the title of this letter.

Aaron


Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 03:39:51 -0500
From: "Jeff with two F's" (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Throwing Muses


Throwing Muses Live To Tape Throwing Music will release a limited
edition 750 copies of "Live To Tape" - a new 6-song CD recorded by the
band live at Stable Sound studio, Portsmouth, RI, on May 20, 1996. The
CD was engineered by Steve Rizzo and produced by the band.

Tracks are as follows: Shark; Ruthie's Knocking; Night Driving; Serene;
Bright Yellow Gun; Bea.

Price will be US $4.98 + US $1.50 for postage and handling. The CD will
be sold on a first-come first-served basis. You will be able to pay for
them even if you have no credit card. Details will be forthcoming and
posted at the Throwing Music site.


Throwing Muses next "official" release will be "Freeloader," featuring
the title song taken from the Limbo album. The Freeloader CD will also
include three other tracks: If (a Latin Playboys cover); Take (a remix
of the live track from The Curse); and Heel Toe (a new TM original).

Freeloader will be released January 21st in all Ryko/Throwing Music
territories.

>From Throwing Music

posted by
Jeff Keibel

Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 03:26:06 -0500
From: "Jeff with two F's" (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: 10" long and damn proud...


Aaron Hill wrote:

Redshift, you are the coolest.  You have the most relavent comments.
And I LOVE the title of this letter.

- - -

Thanks, Aaron!!  Although, I gotta admit I have a staff of four devoted
people who think up all my subject headings.  If I didn't have my
staffers, the subject to this post would have been "I Am Cornholio" or
something.  Seen "Beavis And Butt-head Do America" yet?  Give me TP!!!

Regarding 4AD stuff, I was at yet another restaurant tonight and their
canned music tapes had actual cool tunes.  What blew me away was the
inclusion of "Pacer" from The Amps.  Way to go, Kim!  I asked the waiter
who supplied the music but I got distracted at how little cheese was on
my nachos.  A fight ensued and I was quickly banned from the whole chain
of restaurants.

At the restaurant, during dinner, I was trying to explain to my table
mates what 4AD is.  Do you know The Breeders?  No.  Belly?  Nope.  Uh,
how about Cocteau Twins, Lush or Voix Bulgares??  Who???  Okay, how
about "Pump Up The Volume"??  That is 4AD???  YES!!

It was a fine meal otherwise.  The people at the table next to me looked
at me kinda funny cuz I was feeding my imaginary dog under our table.

Jeff Keibel
Scarborough, ON
(a soon-to-be part
of The City Of Toronto)


Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 06:44:26 -0500
From: u menya nye sevodnya (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Elysian Fields


Jens wrote:

>Elysian Fields are on Radioactive, which I'm 99% certain is a fake-indie
>division of a major conglomerate like Warner.

Yep. They're a division of MCA that puts out crud like Live and Lulabox.


Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 10:42:02 PST
From: Tom Weibrecht (tweibrecht@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: Elysian Fields


i got mine at tower just last week.....tom w
On Thu, 2 Jan 1997 13:37:33 -0800 Jens Alfke  writes:
>Steven Venn asks:
>>Also somebody clue me into where I can
>>get a hold of some Varnaline and Elysian
>>Fields stuff. Any mail-order info? Anyone?
>
>Elysian Fields are on Radioactive, which I'm 99% certain is a
>fake-indie
>division of a major conglomerate like Warner. I can't imagine your
>standard record store wouldn't have their album -- just go someplace
>big.
>And all the major mail-order music web sites should stock it. The
>4AD-L
>FAQ -- whose URL I refuse to repost here since I just sent it out 24
>hours ago -- has links to several excellent online record stores.
>
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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 08:37:29 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Elysian Fields


larry enlighteneth thusly:
>Yep. They're a division of MCA that puts out crud like Live and Lulabox.

Hey, Lulabox were k00l and posers like Garbage and Curve ripped off their
sound totally!!

And I have an old album by Live called "Velvet Underground 1969" that
rocks my world. It has a great cover of that Cowboy Junkies (or is it
Mazzy Star?) song "Sweet Jane"!! In fact they do a lot of covers, come to
think of it, but that was an old album before I guess they wrote more of
their own better songs (and their singer's voice finally changed.)

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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 12:41:55 +0000
From: "Mr. Dan Cunha" (D.Cunha@ix.netcom.com)
Subject: Re: Elysian Fields


Was it the Cowboy junkies or Mazzy Star who wrote "Sweet Jane"?---Um,
Try VU, the Velvet Underground who wrote and recorded it back in the
spring of 1970. The Velvets developed a sound that would carry on to
today.

        Does anybody know what ever happened to Smashing Orange?
        Or
        Where are the Lilys centralized now? It seems they move and             
witch
cast every release.


Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 17:20:13 -0500
From: FA ken clinger (clinger@DUQ2.CC.DUQ.EDU)
Subject: Re: Elysian Fields


On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, Mr. Dan Cunha wrote:

> Was it the Cowboy junkies or Mazzy Star who wrote "Sweet Jane"?---Um,
> Try VU, the Velvet Underground who wrote and recorded it back in the
> spring of 1970. The Velvets developed a sound that would carry on to
> today.

The Cowboy Junkies did do a cover of VU's "Sweet Jane" on their Trinity
Sessions album. A bit more laid back than the original...


Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 15:43:38 EST
From: Scott Davies (sdavies@VNET.IBM.COM)
Subject: beating a dead pixie - trompe le monde


Does anyone know what "trompe le monde" means? Is this an idiomatic phrase
in France or utter gibberish from the pen of Frankie?

I tought it might be a play on "tromp d'oeil" - sort of a musical
slight of hand... the song itself just appears to be one of Frank
Black's alien obsessions.... I think perhaps the album artist had
"tromp d'oeil" in mind when he festooned the artwork with eyeballs.

Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 14:52:06 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Elysian Fields


Dan Cunha elucidates:
>Was it the Cowboy junkies or Mazzy Star who wrote "Sweet Jane"?---Um,
>Try VU, the Velvet Underground who wrote and recorded it back in the
>spring of 1970. The Velvets developed a sound that would carry on to
>today.

Congratulations, Dan, you've been trolled!

And here I thought I'd made my message blatantly ridiculous enough that
anyone would recognize it as a joke. Sorry. Here are some smileys to
paste in:

  ;-)    B-)   8^}



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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 18:49:42 -0500
From: Roger Mrazek (RogBoy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Lush tour music


Hey 4AD'ers -

Been looking the following info. for some time now, so if you've heard this
one before, please excuse...

But...

Does anyone who saw Lush in '96 know the name/origin of the music that played
as their show opened?  I thought it was very cool and would love to know
where it's from and if it's available anywhere.

Thanks.

Obsessively yours,

Roger

Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 16:46:21 -0800
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Elysian Fields

               of Fri,
              3 Jan 1997 17:20:13 -0500

>   > Was it the Cowboy junkies or Mazzy Star who wrote
>   "Sweet Jane"?---Um,
>   > Try VU, the Velvet Underground who wrote and recorded
>   it back in the
>   > spring of 1970. The Velvets developed a sound that
>   would carry on to
>   > today.
>
>   The Cowboy Junkies did do a cover of VU's "Sweet Jane"
>   on their Trinity Sessions album. A bit more laid back
>   than the original...

Okay, come on you guys--It was a *joke*!  Maybe too subtle for some of you
but...  We all know that Live, Cowboy Junkies, and Mazzy Star didn't write Sweet
Jane.

I thought it was funny but i knew this would happen...

-cz


Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 16:14:14 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: beating a dead pixie - trompe le monde


Scott Davies asks:
>Does anyone know what "trompe le monde" means? Is this an idiomatic phrase
>in France or utter gibberish from the pen of Frankie?

It's French for "Fool the world".

(Attn. JT Milhoan -- FAQ alert!!)

>I tought it might be a play on "tromp d'oeil" - sort of a musical
>slight of hand...

"Trompe l'oeil" means "Fool the eye", and it refers to visual effects in
paintings that cause optical illusions or cause you to think something in
the painting is a real object. Salvador Dali used this a lot. My favorite
example is the painted ceiling of a church in Rome that, from the right
vantage point, looks exactly as though the church has a dome (with angels
in it.)

>I think perhaps the album artist had
>"tromp d'oeil" in mind when he festooned the artwork with eyeballs.

Simon Larbalestier definitely had Surrealism in mind, particular the
1923(?) Bunuel/Dali short film "Un Chien d'Andalou" which features a shot
of an eyeball being sliced in half. Black Francis is clearly a big fan of
this film as the song "Debaser" is all about it.

Larbalestier's photography on "Doolittle" is also pretty strongly
influenced by other Surrealists such as Man Ray, and the sculptor who
constructed the fur-covered teacup ... I can never remember her name.

Have I mentioned before that Larbalestier has written a nice book on "The
Art & Craft Of Collage"? Well, he has. Very profusely illustrated
(although most of the work shown is not his own) and the text is a good
introduction to various collage techniques ranging from cut-ups through
photocopying.

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                                            _____________________________
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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 21:06:13 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: beating a dead pixie - trompe le monde


In a message dated 97-01-03 20:37:42 EST, you write:

<< Scott Davies asks:
 >Does anyone know what "trompe le monde" means? Is this an idiomatic phrase
 >in France or utter gibberish from the pen of Frankie?

 It's French for "Fool the world".
  >>
To the French though it is more idiomatic in that it sorta means as well
"Fuck the World."  Tromper has an argot (slang) interpretation for fuck.  You
will frequently hear guys say "J'ai trompe cette fille." (I fucked this
girl.)

Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 18:30:17 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Re: Sweet Jane


>On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, Mr. Dan Cunha wrote:
>
>> Was it the Cowboy junkies or Mazzy Star who wrote "Sweet Jane"?---Um,
>> Try VU, the Velvet Underground who wrote and recorded it back in the
>> spring of 1970. The Velvets developed a sound that would carry on to
>> today.
>
>The Cowboy Junkies did do a cover of VU's "Sweet Jane" on their Trinity
>Sessions album. A bit more laid back than the original...


And Lou Reed was seen on Toronto's New Music program
saying that it was the only version of the song that he really
liked. He also dedicated a version at one of his concerts to
the Junkies by slowing it down in the middle and saying
"This is for the Cowboy Junkies".

Incidentally Lay it Down is not half bad but it ain't the
Trinity Sessions. Ironically Portishead also chose the
Church of the Holy Trinity to perform their concert two
years ago where the Junkies' album gets its name.

Steven

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