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Subject: Re: shoegazing 101.
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 02:32:10 -0600
From: "Mrs. John Murphy" (TallMan1@ix.netcom.com)
Subject: The The's Contraversial Subject
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 04:27:52 -0500
From: Iwan Van Raaij (106524.262@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: pleasantly surprised
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 04:38:18 -0500
From: Iwan Van Raaij (106524.262@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Courtney / shoegazing
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 12:01:32 -0500
From: white schfuf (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Shoegazing 101
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 12:13:13 -0600
From: "Mrs. John Murphy" (TallMan1@ix.netcom.com)
Subject: Re: ou sont les shoegazers d'antan?
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 02:42:12 +0100
From: chief@LYSATOR.LIU.SE

Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 02:32:10 -0600
From: "Mrs. John Murphy" (TallMan1@ix.netcom.com)
Subject: Re: shoegazing 101.


>      How can anyone take Shoegazer 101 and not hear of Ride and Revolver?


Don't Forget 4ad's own Pail Saints (the comforts of madness, in
ribbons) creation's telescopes, the first Catherine Wheel CD (Ferment)
and American's own the Lilys (in the presence of nothing).


Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 04:27:52 -0500
From: Iwan Van Raaij (106524.262@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: The The's Contraversial Subject


This bootleg 7" also exists on yellow vinyl. The 3rd song is actually a
demo for
'Uncertain Smile'. 'Black And White' and 'Controversial Subject' are the
same
as on the 4AD record.
The original 7" was to be put on the CD-reissue of 'Burning Blue Soul', but
since
Matt Johnson thought the single was some kind of a childish act he didn't
approve of it.


Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 04:38:18 -0500
From: Iwan Van Raaij (106524.262@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: pleasantly surprised


Can anyone help me: As a part of my 4AD-collection I also collect the
cassettes released by Pleasantly Surprised in the 80's. I know the
following titles exist:
        PS 001  various - An Hour Of Eloquent Sounds
        PS 002  various - The Angels Are Coming
        PS 003  various - State Of Affairs
        PS 004  Band Of Holy Joy - More Favorite Fairytales
        PS 005  Test Department - Ecstasy Under Duress
        PS 006  various - Dreams And Desires
        PS 007  God's Gift - Folie A Quatre
        PS 008  ???
        PS 009  Dif Juz - Time Clock Turns Back
        PS 010  Dance Chapter - When The Spirit Moves Them
        PS 011  ???
        PS 012  various - Document (1982-1985)

Can anyone fill me in on the PS 008 and PS 011??
In my collection are PS 001, PS 002, PS 003, PS 004, PS 006, PS 009 & PS
010 (all complete with carrier bags & inserts). Does anybode have other
cassettes?

Thanks and cheers!!

Iwan

casssette of
course features the Cocteau Twins, The Birthday Party & Primal Scream a.o.)


Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 12:01:32 -0500
From: white schfuf (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Courtney / shoegazing


>As for ms. love, I'm just sick
>of her trying to be spokesperson for a generation. I hate when she
>keeps say any techno music is not important and it sucks. It seems
>lately I've been hearing or reading this from her alot.

Meanwhile, she keeps blathering on about how great Echo and the Bunnymen
were (they *were* great, but we don't need to be reminded of it constantly,
thanks very much) and making sure she mangles Joy Division's "She's Lost
Control" whenever she gets the chance onstage.

I guess she'd rather we were all back in the late 70s/early 80s.

>I've always called it blisspop or ethereal.. but that's me.

Yes, but how would you define 'ethereal'? That's too vague for me.

>Shoegazer makes
>me think of lush too, but when I think shoegazer I think more of manchester
>bands (inspiral carpets, stone roses, etc..)

No, they weren't shoegazers at all. When whoever it was coined the term
'shoegazers' he was thinking of bands like Lush and Ride and Slowdive. The
Manchester 'scene' a.k.a. baggy was pretty much hyped into existence about a
year before that.

A misconception like that shows how these definitions are essentially
meaningless. If you got used to thinking of Manchester bands as shoegazers,
they might as well *be* shoegazers - it's all just something that critics
came up with anyway. Same thing with Britpop and the New Wave of New Wave -
no one got together and said 'let's start a bunch of bands that can
conveniently be pigeonholed for the most unimportant reasons imaginable'.


Larry


Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 12:13:13 -0600
From: "Mrs. John Murphy" (TallMan1@ix.netcom.com)
Subject: Re: Shoegazing 101


>      How can anyone take Shoegazer 101 and not hear of Ride and
Revolver?

Don't Forget 4ad's own Pail Saints (the comforts of madness, in
ribbons) creation's telescopes, the first Catherine Wheel CD (Ferment)
and American's own the Lilys (in the presence of nothing).


Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 02:42:12 +0100
From: chief@LYSATOR.LIU.SE
Subject: Re: ou sont les shoegazers d'antan?


On Fri, 27 Dec 1996, Natty Gnat  wrote about:
ou sont les shoegazers d'antan?

>> Matthew King asks:
>> Where are the shoegazers now?
>
> Closedown (closest thing to Just for a Day-era Slowdive)

I think it's pretty crucial to mention that if we're talking about
Closedown as the closest thing to Just For a Day-era Slowdive, we're
talking about Closedown's demos, and not their album "Nearfield". That
album is far far away from the amazing Just For a Day, much closer to
the ambient-type Slowdive of late, while their early demos are not.

We had a lengthy discussion about all this (ie. shoegaze bands of
today close to the Slowdive sound) a couple of months ago on the
Slowdive/Mojave 3 mailing list (email avalyn-request@lysator.liu.se
with the word "subscribe" for the normal list and "subscribe digest"
for the digest version. Digest and discography archives can be found

And while I'm at it - the term "Shoegazer" came from the fact that
the members of these bands, when they played live, had to look down
at their instruments and massive amounts of effect-pedals (etc.) to
get the right effect at the right time from the right box, and it
looked like they were standing there looking down at their shoes -
or gazing at their shoes, as it happens, hence: shoegaze. And those
who did/do this was/are therefore called "shoegazers".

And Jason Bryant wrote:

> I think today's shoegazing is rooted in drone, but has enough tangible
> elements to still have that shoegazing tag applied in some accurate
> descriptions.  Who?  hmm. well there is a few from the kranky roster such as
> Bowery Electric and Labradford.  There is also Amp, Flying Saucer Attack!,
> Windy & Carl, Fuxa (in spots), and Azusa Plane (but I guess I'm now veering
> too close to the interpretation of space rock so...)

Yes, definitely drone oriented, though I would also say the most of these
bands are in the "ambient" section of the Shoegaze genre, ie. the "heavy
use of synthesizers" along with guitars instead of just heavy use of
guitars, like pre-Pygmalion Slowdive, right?

 Happy New Year!
 //Erik (chief@lysator.liu.se)


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