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Subject: ou sont les shoegazers d'antan?
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 01:30:06 -0600
From: Natty Gnat (ersatz@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Re: best of '96
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 10:05:54 EST
From: "C.K. Coney" (violaine@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: best of '96
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 09:01:36 -0600
From: "Mrs. John Murphy" (TallMan1@ix.netcom.com)
Subject: You have to be 40 to watch VH-1?
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 06:24:27 -0500
From: JRR TOLKIEN (GGNL44A@PRODIGY.COM)
Subject: shoegazing 101.
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 12:32:45 -0500
From: Jason Bryant (Srilank@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: shoegazing 101.
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 15:44:18 -0500
From: jna (jna@RETINA.NET)
Subject: Re: best of '96/Shoegazing 101
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 15:45:55 PST
From: Matthew King (matt1013@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: shoegazing 101.
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 20:08:26 -0500
From: "James P. Crimm" (jcrimm@ZOO.UVM.EDU)

Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 01:30:06 -0600
From: Natty Gnat (ersatz@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: ou sont les shoegazers d'antan?


> From:    Jens Alfke 
> Subject: ou sont les shoegazers d'antan?
>
> Matthew King asks:
> >Where are the shoegazers now?

Whereupon Jens gave his mantra of this year's faves.  While Perfume
Tree don't fall under shoegazing under my musical hairsplitting
scheme, (not very droney, confident vocals) they do owe a big debt
to Lush on some tracks (this is more explicit on 1994's "The Suns
Running Out".

Some other notable 2nd generation shoegazers (and some rash
comparisons) include:

Bethany Curve (Disintegration-era Cure with Chapterhouse guitars)
Closedown (closest thing to Just for a Day-era Slowdive)
Loveliescrushing (4-trk symphonically textured noise walls)
Orange (the one on dewdrops) (like a brash Liz Frazier subbing in Gala-era
Lush)
Seefeel (Steve Reich meets guitar meets dub, at least on Polyfusia and
Quique)
Third Eye Foundation (critical darlings, Flying Saucer Attack
  cohort does the FSA thing to jungle beats and Seefeel blips.)

The My Bloody Valentine list (mail listserv@mail.triplo.com with
subscribe mbv-l in body), having evidently outlived it's subject,
now largely serves as a forum for discussion about shoegaze
influenced bands.  Jen's own pure-impure list (sorry, no sub
info) overlaps, though its raison d'etre (from the FAQ) seems to
be the emergent nexus between drone, psychedelia, and
electronics, as exemplefied Seefeel.

Darryl Roy  ersatz@hal-pc.org

Earth is just a tiny part of an overwhelmingly hostile universe
(which) has evolved from an unspeakably unfamiliar early
condition, and faces a future extinction of endless cold or
intolerable heat.  The more the Universe seems comprehensible,
the more it also seems pointless. - Stephen Weinberg


Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 10:05:54 EST
From: "C.K. Coney" (violaine@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: best of '96


On Thu, 26 Dec 1996 16:16:03 -0600 "Mrs. John Murphy"
 writes:
>Matthew King wrote:
>> Whatever happened to the days of Gala and Spooky?  Where are the >
>shoegazers now?  Are any bands still faithful to the shoegazing
>movement?

Er, excuse me, but I missed out and never took Shoegazing 101. What
exactly is the meaning of that term? I like and have cd's by Lush &
Slowdive, but I don't read Brit music press, and I never heard the
shoegazer word til this list.

Thanks for any illumination you might provide.

Carol

Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 09:01:36 -0600
From: "Mrs. John Murphy" (TallMan1@ix.netcom.com)
Subject: Re: best of '96


Jens Alfke wrote:
> I think there's room for more than one kind of music ... and god knows
> techno has roots going back to the '70s, namely Kraftwerk and Disco.
> Roots aren't a bad thing to have as long as you innovate.

I see your point about 70's Music and Techno (Kraftwerk, Eno, Neu,
Disco ...) I love those bands.  I was talking
alterna-grunge-whatever-pop bands, which some of them are a complete
rip-off. I think you know what I mean. As for ms. love, I'm just sick
of her trying to be spokesperson for a generation. I hate when she
keeps say any techno music is not important and it sucks. It seems
lately I've been hearing or reading this from her alot.

Yes, you're right, there is room for one than one kink of music.

Sorry (I just had a bad day.)
m. Ellis

Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 06:24:27 -0500
From: JRR TOLKIEN (GGNL44A@PRODIGY.COM)
Subject: You have to be 40 to watch VH-1?


>disappointment of the year:
>Dead Can Dance--Spiritchaser>their further evolution into the VH1
sound of
>bland music for 40 year olds with ponytails

HEY!
      I'm not anywhere near 40 (try about half that age) and I
certainly don't have a ponytail. I did like this album, although I
haven't listened to it as much as it deserves. I didn't know that I
had to be 40 to watch VH-1. I get a kick out of it every once in a
while. I still like to listen to the music of my misguided youth.
Makes me laugh. Even though the Alanis and Hootie videos drive me
away most of the time. Not to say I haven't seen  much television for
the last 6 months. I think I can count the minutes on no more than
both hands (and most of it was Discovery or some idiotic thing on MTV
that I had to just laugh at).

      Ryan (GGNL44A@Prodigy.com) who is trying to cut down on the
length of his emails.

P.S. BTW... I'm listening to the Cranes - Loved right now. I
absolutely love the Cranes and am heavily anticipating the new album!


Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 12:32:45 -0500
From: Jason Bryant (Srilank@AOL.COM)
Subject: shoegazing 101.


> Er, excuse me, but I missed out and never took Shoegazing 101. What
>  exactly is the meaning of that term? I like and have cd's by Lush &
>  Slowdive, but I don't read Brit music press, and I never heard the
>  shoegazer word til this list.

Guitars with a lot of effects and howabout...warm feedback.  That's my take
on it in a nutshell.  Shoegazing like the aforementioned Slowdive and Lush
(moreso _Gala_, _Spooky_, and _Split_ kinda) as well as earlier Kitchens of
Distinction, Chapterhouse, Moose, Adorable, Secret Shine, and everyone's
favorite
take-a-ten-year-hiatus-while-you-flush-down-$$$-from-every-record-company-unde
r-the-sun band, My bloody valentine.  I would be willing to bet that most of
these bands were heavily influenced by Spacemen 3, who epitomize innovation
and thus, were influenced by no one :)

If one were inclined to split hairs, they could go on a tangent about the
uncountable bands that have adopted and or abused the MBV sound.  *but* this
is 101 ala shoegazing...and that thesis will be saved for another time _or_
until someone else would like to take it on.

I think today's shoegazing is rooted in drone, but has enough tangible
elements to still have that shoegazing tag applied in some accurate
descriptions.  Who?  hmm. well there is a few from the kranky roster such as
Bowery Electric and Labradford.  There is also Amp, Flying Saucer Attack!,
Windy & Carl, Fuxa (in spots), and Azusa Plane (but I guess I'm now veering
too close to the interpretation of space rock so...)
There is more out there that I'm not aware of or am not thinking about right
now, but you've tapped a favorite topic of this list, so get your want list
out Carol, as I'm sure you're going to be inundated with top notch
recommendations.

jason

good?  I know he's got a deep discography but none of it is on my shelves, so
if any Roach fans can recommend some essentials I would appreciate).

ps- I forgot Verve.  So, please paste Verve where necessary in the above
paragraphs.


Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 15:44:18 -0500
From: jna (jna@RETINA.NET)
Subject: Re: shoegazing 101.


On Fri, 27 Dec 1996, Jason Bryant wrote:

> > Er, excuse me, but I missed out and never took Shoegazing 101. What
> >  exactly is the meaning of that term? I like and have cd's by Lush &
> >  Slowdive, but I don't read Brit music press, and I never heard the
> >  shoegazer word til this list.
>
> Guitars with a lot of effects and howabout...warm feedback.  That's my take
> on it in a nutshell.  Shoegazing like the aforementioned Slowdive and Lush

I've always called it blisspop or ethereal.. but that's me. Shoegazer makes
me think of lush too, but when I think shoegazer I think more of manchester
bands (inspiral carpets, stone roses, etc..)

> r-the-sun band, My bloody valentine.  I would be willing to bet that most of
> these bands were heavily influenced by Spacemen 3, who epitomize innovation
> and thus, were influenced by no one :)

It's wierd, I can't stand spacemen 3. Alot of the 4ad heads here like them,
but I don't see any connection at all. I hate 'drone' music. Lush and slowdive
are far too dynamic to be drone, and too lyrically accessible to make me want
to sit around doing heroin and listening to spacemen 3... or maybe it's just
that I hated spacemen 3 fans *shrug* (ObDisclaimer: I don't do heroin. :P)

I also love _Curve_, and although they're a bit drony, their upbeat tempo
stops them from being a shoegazer band. ;)

-john

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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 15:45:55 PST
From: Matthew King (matt1013@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: best of '96/Shoegazing 101


On Fri, 27 Dec 1996 10:05:54 EST "C.K. Coney"  writes:
>Er, excuse me, but I missed out and never took Shoegazing 101. What
>exactly is the meaning of that term?
>Thanks for any illumination you might provide.

This is not in the least a plug for this guy's page, but if you go to
he gives a really good definition as to what shoegazing is.
-Matt

Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 20:08:26 -0500
From: "James P. Crimm" (jcrimm@ZOO.UVM.EDU)
Subject: Re: shoegazing 101.


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