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Subject: Re: BEST OF 1996?
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 23:41:28 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Yes, more Medicine
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 23:44:15 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: BEST OF 1996?
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 21:18:12 -0800
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG)" (gman2@SPRYNET.COM)
Subject: Re: Leaf?
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 01:08:56 -0800
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Leaf records
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 01:51:20 +0000
From: "Mr. Dan Cunha" (D.Cunha@ix.netcom.com)
Subject: Re: Leaf?
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 02:07:27 -0800
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG)" (gman2@SPRYNET.COM)
Subject: best of '96
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 03:59:34 -0800
From: yr mom (lushmuse@ea.oac.uci.edu)
Subject: Re: best of '96
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 08:06:56 -0500
From: "good morning, beautiful" (jna@RETINA.NET)
Subject: (Medicine) Brad Laner web site
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 09:19:12 -0800
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Re: best of '96
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 12:08:16 PST
From: Matthew King (matt1013@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Shaving Kit/Germano Promos
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 14:49:53 -0600
From: "William B. Tubbs" (wbt60@earthlink.net)
Subject: shut up and take yer Medicine
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 16:22:52 -0500
From: white schfuf (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: best of '96
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 16:16:03 -0600
From: "Mrs. John Murphy" (TallMan1@ix.netcom.com)
Subject: Re: Leaf?
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 18:33:55 -0600
From: sara johnson (sjohns32@D.UMN.EDU)
Subject: The The's Contraversial Subject
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 19:23:17 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Looking for Tarnation
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 19:27:31 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: best of '96
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 18:00:09 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: ou sont les shoegazers d'antan?
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 17:55:58 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)

Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 23:41:28 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: BEST OF 1996?


In a message dated 96-12-25 17:54:03 EST, you write:

<< disappointment of the year:
 Dead Can Dance--Spiritchaser>their further evolution into the VH1 sound of
 bland music for 40 year olds with ponytails
  >>
I gotta disagree--I think this album is less VH1 sounding than any other DCD
album except Frontier.  It is one of their best albums ever!  They are really
pushing their sounds, incorporating each other even better, and using
percussian instruments to new effects.  It is not bland at all--even AP gave
it their best review ever for a DCD album--5 fingers.  I am definately not
40, do not have a ponytail, and never watch VH1.  One of the best albums of
the year.

Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 23:44:15 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Yes, more Medicine


In a message dated 96-12-25 18:49:56 EST, you write:

<< Since the MOR-ization of the Cocteau Twins, they were on the verge
 of becoming My Favorite Band.  Oh well...at least I got a chance to see
 them a couple times before they broke up,  >>
WHat does this mean?  Am I missing something?  Did they break up--I've seen
nothing about this.

Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 21:18:12 -0800
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG)" (gman2@SPRYNET.COM)
Subject: Re: BEST OF 1996?


On Wed, 25 Dec 1996, Aaron Hill  wrote:
>It is not bland at all--even AP gave it their best review ever for a DCD
>album--5 fingers.

awww.... what does AP know?!?!
that finger-rating system is just fuggin' ridiculous.

. . .and what's with that magazine's obsession with NIN?

the GREAT Leaf Records has split from 4AD (yay!) and is going into phase II of
operations. Tony Morley tells me he's working on a website and an increased
presence for the label 'netwise. keep your ears, eyes, and web-browsers peeled.

seasons greets to all-
and a happy new year!

GuerillaG2-G4/ gil


Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 01:08:56 -0800
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Re: Leaf?


>the GREAT Leaf Records has split from 4AD (yay!)

Eh?

t h e   m y s t e r y   p a r a d e
     http://home.earthlink.net/~tmp/
{ catalogue number 30/version 13 }


Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 01:51:20 +0000
From: "Mr. Dan Cunha" (D.Cunha@ix.netcom.com)
Subject: Leaf records


If you could please repost the adress for Leaf Records i would
appreciate it very much.
                                                                -dan

Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 02:07:27 -0800
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG)" (gman2@SPRYNET.COM)
Subject: Re: Leaf?


On Thu, 26 Dec 1996, the mystery parade  wrote:
>>the GREAT Leaf Records has split from 4AD (yay!)
>
>Eh?

Leaf was the project of 4AD press-man Tony Morley. i'm pretty sure that Ivo's
$$$$ is/was involved somehow. the label's concentration is on experimental drum
n' bass and ambient/techno. ...and it's still one of the finest label's the
world has ever known. :)

GuerillaG2-G4/ gil


Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 03:59:34 -0800
From: yr mom (lushmuse@ea.oac.uci.edu)
Subject: best of '96


hey!

thought i'd join the ppl who are putting down their best of '96 list.

(in no particular order)
3.his name is alive: stars on esp
5.throwing muses: limbo
7.dead can dance: spiritchaser
8.bikini kill: reject all american
11.rollerskate skinny: horsedrawn wishes
13.the make-up: destination love: live at cold rice

i think that's about it...

laters,
pete


p.s. i finally heard some ecstasy of saint theresa and i love it! please
let me know some whereabouts of their stuff...i've seen "free-d
soundtrack" a few times but i didn't bother getting it, so i think i will
pretty soon...but i would love to get a copy of their "fluid trance
centauri" ep and their other stuff as well.  i'd appreciate the help!
thanks!


Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 08:06:56 -0500
From: "good morning, beautiful" (jna@RETINA.NET)
Subject: Re: best of '96


On Thu, 26 Dec 1996, yr mom wrote:
> 9.lush: lovelife

Wow, you liked this album? I thought it was simply the worst thing that Lush
ever put out. Having been a fan of Lush for about 6 years, and then to see
this album come out of the largest fuckin'a rock-and-roll studio
here in boston (Fort Apache) I was devestated.

Lush's intricate melodies were shot, and most of their songs were
underproduced and thinly mixed.

Compare, for a moment, the version of 'childcatcher' that exists on the
'all virgos are mad' 4ad limited edition comp (came out about 6 months
before lovelife) and the version that made it to the album.

The one on AVAM sounds like _lush_. The one that's on the album sounds like
some rushed 90's wanna-be bad bliss pop band. *sigh* We all thought the
album was going to be wonderful after hearing that song too.

Just my .02.
-john

      ----------------------+----------------------------+---------------------
     /           John Adams | jna@retina.net             | Guru for Hire
    / Retina Communications | http://www.retina.net/~jna | N1WPE
                               when mama was moth


Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 09:19:12 -0800
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: (Medicine) Brad Laner web site


By the way, here's the URL:


t h e   m y s t e r y   p a r a d e
     http://home.earthlink.net/~tmp/
{ catalogue number 30/version 13 }


Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 12:08:16 PST
From: Matthew King (matt1013@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: best of '96


On Thu, 26 Dec 1996 08:06:56 -0500 "good morning, beautiful"
 writes:
>On Thu, 26 Dec 1996, yr mom wrote:
>> 9.lush: lovelife
>
>Wow, you liked this album? I thought it was simply the worst thing
>that Lush
>ever put out. Having been a fan of Lush for about 6 years, and then to
>see
>this album come out of the largest fuckin'a rock-and-roll studio
>here in boston (Fort Apache) I was devestated.
>
>Lush's intricate melodies were shot, and most of their songs were
>underproduced and thinly mixed.

I'm sorry to say that I have to agree with both of you.  I've been a Lush
fan for only four years now and I LOVE everything that Lush puts out, so
Lovelife is automatically put on my top 20 list, but I do believe that
it is the worst album they've put out.  Whatever happened to the days of
Gala and Spooky?  Where are the shoegazers now?  Are any bands still
faithful to the shoegazing movement?  I miss bands like Slowdive and the
earlier Lush stuff.

>Just my .02.
-Matt

Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 14:49:53 -0600
From: "William B. Tubbs" (wbt60@earthlink.net)
Subject: Shaving Kit/Germano Promos


Hey out there,

I just got the Lisa Germano "Stars" promo CD and the "Shaving Kit Music"
promo CD through Southland CD in Redondo Beach, CA.  They both came in
jewel cases but without any kind of card or paper insert.  Does anybody
know if these originally came with such?  Please email me privately if
they did and you might be able to make a color xerox for me.

Thanks,

Bill

Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 16:22:52 -0500
From: white schfuf (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: shut up and take yer Medicine


>> Apparently American forced the band to remix it and make it more radio-
>> friendly (fat lot of good that did), so the original tracks are a lot
>noisier,
>> or so they say.

Jeremy wrote:

>Is there any truth to this, or is it just conjecture?  I had suspected
>it, but thought that of all labels, surely American had the sense and
>integrity to not to use such a heavy-handed approach, especially with a
>band that was building a fan base that appreciated their sound just the
>way it was.  How typically...well, American.

I remember reading somewhere (might have been on this list) how someone who
had met Brad had heard the original tapes and they were very different.

Isn't American just a division of Warner? Maybe Rick Rubin had something to
do with it...

><< Since the MOR-ization of the Cocteau Twins, they were on the verge
> of becoming My Favorite Band.  Oh well...at least I got a chance to see
> them a couple times before they broke up,  >>

Aaron wrote:

>WHat does this mean?  Am I missing something?  Did they break up--I've seen
>nothing about this.

By 'they', he means that Medicine broke up, not the Cocteaux, if that's what
you were wondering.


Larry


Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 16:16:03 -0600
From: "Mrs. John Murphy" (TallMan1@ix.netcom.com)
Subject: Re: best of '96


Matthew King wrote:
> Whatever happened to the days of Gala and Spooky?  Where are the > shoegazers 
ow?  Are any bands still faithful to the shoegazing movement?  I miss bands like
Slowdive and the earlier Lush stuff.

Thanks to the British Music Press and Nirvana(and other over-rated
retro 70's, sloppy classic rock wanna-be bands), because they killed
the shoegazing movement in Britain.

Micheal Ellis TallMan1@ix.netcom.com

Sorry Courney Love, bands like prodigy and the underworld are the
future of music. Get out of the 70's Miss Love, it is almost the 21st
century!

(I just needed to vent that.)


Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 18:33:55 -0600
From: sara johnson (sjohns32@D.UMN.EDU)
Subject: Re: Leaf?


speaking of leaf, i found a leaf release called Luger...anyone know anything
about it?


sara

Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 19:23:17 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: The The's Contraversial Subject


I have The The's Black and White/Contraversial Subject 7" on blue vinyl.  THe
thing is it is on Inkubus records and has the song Dumb as a Death's Head on
it (which is very good).  Does anyone know about this non-4ad version and are
the songs the same?

EH

Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 19:27:31 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Looking for Tarnation


I am looking for Tarnation's first album, "Something to Cry About" on CD.  I
have it on vinyl already.  If anyone is willing to part ways with theirs for
a fee or know where to get one, email me privately please.  Also, I am
looking for anything Tarnation related (eps, etc.) so if you know of
anything, please write.

EH

P.S.  Does anyone know what has happened to the new CHandeen album.  I can't
find it anywhere.  It is supposed to have a cover of a DCD song.  Projekt
says they are not carrying anymore.


Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 18:00:09 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: best of '96


Micheal  Ellis wrote:
>Thanks to the British Music Press and Nirvana(and other over-rated
>retro 70's, sloppy classic rock wanna-be bands), because they killed
>the shoegazing movement in Britain.
>Sorry Courtney Love, bands like prodigy and the underworld are the
>future of music. Get out of the 70's Miss Love, it is almost the 21st
>century!

I think there's room for more than one kind of music ... and god knows
techno has roots going back to the '70s, namely Kraftwerk and Disco.
Roots aren't a bad thing to have as long as you innovate. And I have to
say that Hole's first album is one of my favorite punk-rock records ever
(dig the way the first few seconds of "Teenage Whore" whack you over the
head with a brick) even if "Live Through This" was pretty watered down.

--Jens

Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 17:55:58 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: ou sont les shoegazers d'antan?


Matthew King asks:
>Where are the shoegazers now?  Are any bands still
>faithful to the shoegazing movement?  I miss bands like Slowdive and the
>earlier Lush stuff.

For those wanting a shoegazer fix (and we're talking good stuff with some
originality, not warmed-up retreads a la The Rose Chronicles) I can
highly recommend :

Bowery Electric [way-out guitar fuzz with great basslines]
Windy & Carl [somewhat like B.E. but more 'ethereal' and semi-ambient]
Flying Saucer Attack [hovering guitar noise origami'd into psychedelia,
ambience or even folk]
Amp [incredibly creative stuff veering between ambient and noise]
Perfume Tree [combines ambient-dub, trip-hop, dreampop and even some
Celtic sounds]

In general these are moving farther out into space than the original
shoegazing crew -- of those I've listed only Bowery Electric bother to
use real drums and rock beats. (Perfume Tree use hip-hop type beatbox for
the most part, Amp and FSA use occasional mild percussion, and Windy &
Carl are essentially beat-free.)

Unfortunately none of these are exactly easy to find in stores, but our
mail-order/web-order friends like Ear/Rational, Parasol and Vinyl Ink
should carry them. Consult the FAQ.

--Jens, .sigless in San Jose  [jens@mooseyard.com]


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