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Subject: Re: Heaven or Vegas
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 05:06:29 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: Re: THE GUSGUSFUSS 'BELIEVE'
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 06:37:57 +0100
From: chief@LYSATOR.LIU.SE
Subject: [Fwd: Re: FWD>>Books for sick kids]
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 21:32:24 -0800
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG)" (gman2@SPRYNET.COM)
Subject: Re: Seely lee cliche eh?
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 22:16:22 +0000
From: "Mr. Dan Cunha" (D.Cunha@ix.netcom.com)
Subject: Best of 96
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 09:36:46 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Top Ten / Milk & Kisses
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 07:17:55 -0500
From: lee harvey fnordwald (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Frank Black
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 07:38:33 -0500
From: lee harvey fnordwald (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Frank Black
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 09:24:44 -0800
From: "heather m." (s0071593@GBC.GBROWNC.ON.CA)
Subject: Lush 'rupert the bear' flexi for auction
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 10:44:11 +0200
From: section25 (SECTION25@IDS.NET)
Subject: Mai Pen Rai for auction
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 10:42:58 +0200
From: section25 (SECTION25@IDS.NET)
Subject: opps...
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 10:56:02 EST
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: Re: [Fwd: books for kids]
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 10:47:16 -0500
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: galaxie 500 in a box
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 11:55:36 -0500
From: Jason Bryant (Srilank@AOL.COM)
Subject: New Music
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 08:58:49 -0700
From: Michael Berkley (BERKLEYM@aol.com)
Subject: Books for sick kids -- DON'T DO IT
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 10:02:24 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Frank Black
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 12:03:14 -0500
From: lee harvey fnordwald (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: nme story on chris acland
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 12:15:05 -0500
From: lee harvey fnordwald (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Milk & Kisses
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 09:57:21 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: re: mojave3???
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 13:57:11 +0500
From: susan marie mcgowan (sumcgowa@vt.edu)
Subject: Personal to Mark Frank
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 12:16:28 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: top 10, if appropriate
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 14:41:19 -0500
From: Read Dawkins (jeheindl@AMHERST.EDU)
Subject: Lisa Germano
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 14:44:17 PST
From: Rachel (cvela@IRAPUATO.IRA.CINVESTAV.MX)
Subject: Re: Mojave/Lush rumours
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 15:39:06 -0500
From: Greg Smith (gt7003b@PRISM.GATECH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Books for sick kids --GREAT JOB ( was: DON'T DO IT)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 15:12:11 PST
From: Tom Weibrecht (tweibrecht@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: Books for sick kids --GREAT JOB ( was: DON'T DO IT)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 15:25:47 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 14 Dec 1996 to 15 Dec 1996
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 19:12:35 -0500
From: Marissa Kraft (RISSARO@AOL.COM)
Subject: luna and slowdive
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 16:30:42 -0800
From: Matthew Greer (megreer@UCDAVIS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Frank Black
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 19:37:14 EST
From: "C.K. Coney" (violaine@JUNO.COM)
Subject: GUS 5 CD
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 19:38:05 -0800
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: luna and slowdive
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 17:44:51 +0000
From: "Mr. Dan Cunha" (D.Cunha@ix.netcom.com)
Subject: Re: list moderator
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 17:56:08 -0800
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: RHP concert
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 19:11:33 -0800
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: search for new music
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 21:54:28 -0600
From: Layne Russell (ALRUSSELL@DELTA.IS.TCU.EDU)

Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 05:06:29 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: Re: Heaven or Vegas


On Sun, 15 Dec 1996 18:05:32 EST, "C.K. Coney" 

>On Sat, 14 Dec 1996 12:21:11 GMT Paul Spirito
> writes:
>>With Cocteau talk recently, thought I'd mention there's going to be a
>>film called "Heaven or Vegas" starring Yasmine Bleeth (Baywatch) and
>>Richard Grieco (21 Jump Street). Don't know if CT music will be
>>featured.
>>
>>Well, I'm amused.
>>
>>Paul
>>
>That's a joke, right?


No, it's a real movie.

Paul


Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 06:37:57 +0100
From: chief@LYSATOR.LIU.SE
Subject: Re: THE GUSGUSFUSS 'BELIEVE'


On Mon, 9 Dec 1996, shar everett  wrote about
THE GUSGUSFUSS 'BELIEVE':

> is it a cool video??

Extremely. And strange. It is a story, and I tend to believe it is about
a crazy girl with way too much energy and her "guardian angel" sort of.
She goes around and does "naughty" things like kissing someone here,
stealing a car there, gets chased by the police (and so on).

I also believe that all parts in the video are played by the band
members. Ambulance drivers, doctors etc.

 //Erik (chief@lysator.liu.se)

Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 21:32:24 -0800
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG)" (gman2@SPRYNET.COM)
Subject: [Fwd: Re: FWD>>Books for sick kids]


hi everyone

i normally wouldn't spread spam like this around, but i got it direct from Colin
Newman and Malka Spigel. and if THEY approve, who are we to ignore it?

there's no money at stake... just a nice non-denominational holiday deed.
so don't delete indiscriminately.
spread the word, e-mail the company, and share in a simple bit of holiday
goodwill. thanks for your time-

GuerillaG2/G4 /gil
>
>> Houghton Mifflin Publishing Corporation will donate one book to a children's
>> hospital for every 25 e-mails they receive.  Please e-mail them at:
>>
>> share@hmco.com.
>>
>> We hope you can spare the seconds . . . and let your friends know. So
>> far
>> they have only received 3, 400 messages.  Last year they reached 23,000.
>>
>> Hope everyone has a great Christmas and of course, best wishes for the
>> New
>> Year!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Renee>>>>>>
>>
>> That goes from us as well
>>
>> c+m+b
><----  End Forwarded Message  ---->

i'll 'third' that! Seasons Greetings, all! (G-2/G-4)

Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 22:16:22 +0000
From: "Mr. Dan Cunha" (D.Cunha@ix.netcom.com)
Subject: Re: Seely lee cliche eh?


Since your mentioning Luna and all. Does anyone know how much the
Galaxie 500 boxset sells for?
                                                                                
-Dan


Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 09:36:46 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Best of 96


Highlights of 1996:

Post-Rock
=========

 (Whatever that means!)
 Year of the Tortoise, who came to occupy that "everyone loves them
 but they are still hip" niche that Stereolab also occupy.
 "Millions..." is a fine album, most of the earlier stuff fails to
 impress me.  The remix 12" series was rather mixed.  Stereolab
 produced a good album (perhaps their best, though as "Refried
 Ectoplasm" showed their best songs are often on singles).  The end of
 the year brought proof of that with the "Fluorescences" EP, and a
 couple of fine EPs on Stereolab's Duophonic label by Broadcast and
 Pram (Labradford also put out a 10" single on Duophonic earlier in
 the year).  EAR released an album of new and old stuff and an EP with
 Jessamine, who had a great album of their own and split singles with
 Flying Saucer Attack (heralding their return) and Transparent Thing.
 FSA's live album is interesting mainly to afficionados of the
 noisy/droney side of the band, the album with Tele:funken likewise.
 "Sally Free and Easy", though, mixes noise and a proper song in
 vintage FSA style.  Labradford's third album didn't disappoint, and
 Main's "Firmament III" is possibly their/his/its best work in the
 recent style, sparse but still fascinating.  And Virgin's "ambient"
 series produced a couple of great albums ("Monsters, Robots and Bug
 Men", featuring half of the bands in this paragraph, and "Cosmic
 Kurushi Monsters", featuring loads of Japanese bands smashing up rock
 music and setting fire to the remains).

Techno
======

 LFO's "Advance" and Orbital's "In Sides" tie for album of the year -
 LFO's album lacks the warmth of Orbital's, it's a collection of
 varied tunes (from the gentle to the brutal) - perhaps lacking in
 depth, but perfect for the walkman.  No sign yet of the rumoured EP
 with Laetitia Sadier, in fact LFO are probably now no more.
 Orbital's album, like the last one, has a sort of eco-friendly-
 modern-life-is-rubbish theme, though that doesn't show as much in
 the music, which is less reliant on vocal samples than the poorer
 tracks on the first half of "Snivilisation".  Single "The Box" is
 worth getting, too, for a demonstration of how well Orbital can work
 with proper singers.  Perhaps THEY should make an EP with Laetitia?
 FSOL came up with a great single ("My Kingdom") and good album,
 Spooky returned with a reasonably good album ("Found Sound").  I'm
 still trying to appreciate why people love Underworld so much - "Born
 Slippy" is wonderful, but most of "Second Toughest..." leaves me
 cold.  The Aphex Twin's "Girl/Boy" EP wins the "biggest pile of shit"
 prize, the following "Richard D James Album" was not just better (it
 could hardly be worse), but very good indeed.  Seefeel split
 temporarily in two and came up with a great couple of singles and a
 reasonably good album of demos (Scala) and a second album of rather
 poor Aphex imitations (Disjecta).  The only Seefeel release of the
 year was an ancient album which doesn't really compare with "Succour"
 or "Quique".

Vinyl Corner
============

 The purchase of a new turntable earlier this year made me rediscover
 some old music (those early ARKane EPs!!!) and start browsing through
 the 7" boxes again.  Domino put out a series of 12" singles by
 Antiroc, the Third Eye Foundation, Ganger and Basilica, the first
 three of which were wonderful.  Ganger also released a couple of
 lengthy EPs on other labels, and get the "new band of the year" prize
 - bass and drum grooves with interesting squiggles added, the sort of
 thing Ui do (but not incredibly boring like Ui).  Other notable 7"
 singles - Alphastone/Flowchart split (A-side only) on Enraptured
 (home of the FSA/Jessamine split), 3EF's "Universal Cooler", Light
 (FSA/Amp collaboration), and Stereolab/Fuxa (neither band at their
 best, but good nonetheless - Fuxa's second album is best avoided
 unless you like cheesy organ instrumentals).  Amp's "Sirenes" is the
 first vinyl album I have bought since 3EF's mighty "Semtex", and
 despite Jens's raving about it I'm fairly unimpressed.  Perhaps I need
 to listen to it some more.

4AD section
===========

 Albums from Throwing Muses (lacking the mystery and oddness of old,
 but a very good straightforward rock group nonetheless, and I have
 played "Limbo" more frequently than any Muses album since "Hunkpapa",
 probably).  Lisa Germano made a good album (but didn't top "Geek the
 Girl") - she needs to tone down the self-pity though, the photos on
 her sleeve don't show the dumpy ugly geek she sings about.  Lush
 ditched their ethereal side, made a fantastic pop album, lost a few
 dozen shoegazer fans and gained several thousand more, then suffered
 a tragedy with the suicide of their drummer.  Lush-less shoegazers
 were comforted by the Galaxie 500 box set.  I didn't catch up with
 the Paladins, Gus Gus or anything else on the label apart from Tanya
 Donelly's disappointing EP - the days are long gone when I'd buy 4AD
 albums on trust.  And I'm none of those people who loved "Milk and
 Kisses", a real improvement on the previous Cocteau Twins album.

Other Stuff
===========

 Great mini-album ("Mini") and proper album ("Saturnalia") from
 theweddingpresent, who will probably never be remotely fashionable
 again but are still producing great music while managing to sound the
 same as they have always done, but different.  Ditto the Fall, who
 have had a rocky year - three albums of dodgy live tracks and B-sides
 followed by one of their better albums of recent years - sadly they
 lost Craig Scanlon (one of the longest-serving members, supposedly
 sacked for "slovenly appearance and failure to maintain amplifiers"),
 and Brix left again after a chaotic tour notable mainly for Mark E
 Smith's drunkenness and the cancellation of several gigs.  The Divine
 Comedy - plummy bishop's son discovers SEX and makes an album of
 raunchy "new lad" songs, saved by the fact that basically he's still
 an uptight intellectual who likes to throw in literary allusions and
 a string quartet or two.  Too Pure hate-figures Jack released an
 album of similarly Scott Walker-influenced dramatic pop which people
 either loved or hated (I'm in the former camp, and it made the
 Guardian's top ten).  Other Too Pure activity was by the
 aforementioned Scala, Long Fin Killie (album not as good as their
 debut) and Seely (pleasant but not stunning).  Where's the next Mouse
 on Mars album?

 Waiting for Santa to bring me the Robson and Jerome Christmas Party
 Album...
--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England
nja@le.ac.uk


Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 07:17:55 -0500
From: lee harvey fnordwald (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Top Ten / Milk & Kisses


This Year's Top Ten CD5s:

10) cocteau twins : violaine part II

9)  cocteau twins : otherness

8)  love and rockets : the glittering darkness

7)  suede : trash

6)  lush : ladykillers

5)  dcd : sambatiki (ya know... in the tour programme)

4)  suede : beautiful ones part I

3)  chemical brothers : loops -o- fury

2)  various : shaving the pavement (not a single, i know...)

1)  his name is aliver :  universal frequencies



p.s. milk and kisses is for the most part uninspired and
     underwrought. i liked them better when robin was on drugz





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   so let me down now gently                                a
   very, very gently                                        n   K
   so that when I finally hit it                            i   l
   I'll hit the deck real slow                              e   y
                                                            l   n
   sweet anaesthesia
   sweet anaesthesia                             owilde@umich.edu
   sweet anaesthesia                             Document Defnording
       -david j-                                 Wondermonkey Cabal
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 07:38:33 -0500
From: lee harvey fnordwald (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Frank Black


On Mon, 16 Dec 1996, Emiel Efdee wrote:

>
> I just read that Frank Black is name of the main character in Chris
> Carter's new TV-production 'Millennium'. Where did he get that name?
>
> The series will be shown over here sometime next year.. is it any good?
>
>

        i've been watching 'Millennium' mostly because it
        occupies the time slot which was home to the xfiles
        for the past three years. creature of habit...

        it's better than most teevee, but in my opinion a
        bit too predictable: the same scenario every
        week, which is that this guy has a sixth sense
        which allows him to 'channel' vibes from serial
        killers and psychos, and even tho he doesnt want
        to he "has to" use this ability to help solve crimes. all the
        while endangering his lovely wife and little daughter.

        being the father of a six week old little daughter
        and husband of a lovely wife, i find this routine
        a bit disturbing. the one aspect of the show which
        i do like and which keeps me watching semi regularly
        is the conspiracy aspect. Frank Black (the character,
        not the singer) is member of some secret society
        which is concerned with the coming of the end of
        the world/beginning of new age, and these killers
        are often cast as being posessed by a greater
        force. this force is implied to have an agenda, etc...

        i think the character's name was shamelessly
        lifted from the dude from the pixies. it fits
        the brooding aspect of the guy who plays the
        role, too.

        one more thing is that the show often features
        some pretentious bits of poetry and/or
        decent music in the background. w.b. yeats
        and white zombie....

        i watch too much television, i think....







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   Now I need to come down slowly
   I need to come down slowly                               D
   so let me down now gently                                a
   very, very gently                                        n   K
   so that when I finally hit it                            i   l
   I'll hit the deck real slow                              e   y
                                                            l   n
   sweet anaesthesia
   sweet anaesthesia                             owilde@umich.edu
   sweet anaesthesia                             Document Defnording
       -david j-                                 Wondermonkey Cabal
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 09:24:44 -0800
From: "heather m." (s0071593@GBC.GBROWNC.ON.CA)
Subject: Re: Frank Black


I'm assuming this is a typo, as she walks and talks and goes to school...
she's six or seven YEARS old...

H. Murray
s0071593@gbrownc.on.ca
Toronto, Canada

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"You can't have everything - where would you put it?"
        - Steven Wright
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

On Mon, 16 Dec 1996, lee harvey fnordwald wrote:


>        ... being the father of a six week old little daughter
>         and husband of a lovely wife, i find this routine
>         a bit disturbing...


Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 10:44:11 +0200
From: section25 (SECTION25@IDS.NET)
Subject: Lush 'rupert the bear' flexi for auction


If you are interested in this, you can submit bids until 11:59pm Sunday
night (the 22nd)

b.

Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 10:42:58 +0200
From: section25 (SECTION25@IDS.NET)
Subject: Mai Pen Rai for auction


I have a maroon and gold copy of MAI PEN RAI for auction. It is like new
except for a small price tag mark on the lower left corner.  The disc
itself is mint.

I will be accepting bids for this until 11:59pm Sunday night.

email if interested.

b.

Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 10:56:02 EST
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: opps...


i think i may have accidentally replied to gil's email about the
books for the children's hospital.

pardon me,
alan

Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 10:47:16 -0500
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: Re: [Fwd: books for kids]

          dzaterka@msai.mea.com, hnguyen@msai.mea.com, jdietz@msai.mea.com,
          misom@msai.mea.com, mtaghavi@msai.mea.com, rcassada@msai.mea.com,
          rwalker@msai.mea.com, sbowyer@msai.mea.com, scamacho@msai.mea.com,
          smann@msai.mea.com, tcao@msai.mea.com, tlao@msai.mea.com,
          tmills@msai.mea.com, wdavis@msai.mea.com, welch@msai.mea.com,
          sigmon@msai.mea.com, jwalker@msai.mea.com, rowell@msai.mea.com,
          galexan@msai.mea.com, rmassie@msai.mea.com, jklinck@msai.mea.com,
          sestrich@msai.mea.com, jmeiggs@msai.mea.com, ashull@netpath.net,
          jtdawson@sunlink.net, MILLERS@ADVISORY.COM,
          Todd_A_Skidmore@deluxe.com, kbghrad@sirius.com,
          masande@mindspring.com, kropp@rff.org
              13, 12:32pm)

this is not a joke... please forward.

>
> If you have a spare few seconds today, dash off a quick email to Houghton
> Mifflin Publishing Corporation.  They will donate one book to a
> children's
> hospital for every 25 emails they get.  (I'm pretty sure it's limited to
> one
> per person.)
>
> Send mail to
>
> share@hmco.com
>
> and just say something nice like "Please give lots of books to children's
> hospitals" or whatever.
>
> Tell everybody you know, it's a pretty painless procedure!
>

>-- End of excerpt from Tom Weibrecht


Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 11:55:36 -0500
From: Jason Bryant (Srilank@AOL.COM)
Subject: galaxie 500 in a box


> Since your mentioning Luna and all. Does anyone know how much the
>  Galaxie 500 boxset sells for?


Apparently Parasol got some in, and are selling them for around $50.



jason

srilank@aol.com


Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 08:58:49 -0700
From: Michael Berkley (BERKLEYM@aol.com)
Subject: New Music


Dear 4AD Mailing List:

I am an artist and music producer from San Francisco.  Starting in about
6 months about to going to be promoting and marketing a series of albums
(one a year for five years) of music which will have a similar sound to
the "4AD Sound".  The music is a blending of World Ambient (Peter
Gabriel's Passion), Techno Ambient  (Klaus Schulze, Brian Eno, Axiom
Records, Beyond), Dark Alternative Rock (Dead Can Dance, Cocteau Twins),
and Minimalist Ambient (Harold Budd).  The first album, Dust, features
piano, female voice, dumbek (Middle Eastern drum), Native American
drums, and electronic processing.  I am currently conducting research on
the potential market for this music throughout the world.

If you wouldn't mind taking a few minutes, I would greatly appreciate it
if you could answer the following questions (please reply to

1.  Does this seem to be a type of music you would be interested in?

2.  How old are you?

3.  Where do you live (City, Country)?

4.  What are your favorite music magazines?  Non-music magazines?

5.  What type of radio format do you listen to?  What particular
stations?

6.  Where and how do you learn about new music?

7.  What are your favorite record stores?

8.  And finally, would you like to be sent more information on this
music?

Thank you very much for taking the time to answer these questions.
Again, please reply to berkleym@aol.com

Regards,

Michael Thomas Berkley
berkleym@aol.com

Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 10:02:24 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Books for sick kids -- DON'T DO IT


Please DO NOT SEND ANY MORE MAIL to Houghton Mifflin. This was a genuine
offer, but the people who started it were newbies and had absolutely no
clue about the volume of email that can be generated by chain letters
like this. After their mail servers went fully tits-up from the ensuing
mailbombing, they gave up and just donated the maximum number of books
that they had available. So the sick kids are happy with their new books,
and please stop bothering Houghton Mifflin's poor servers and sysadmins
and let them get back to their lives.

(This I learned from a follow-up message my wife received from one of the
mailing lists she's on.)

__________          ___________________          ________________________
Jens Alfke          Recovering C++ User          jens@apple.com     [work]
                                                 jens@mooseyard.com [play]

              Paget saw an Irish tooth, Sir, in a waste gap.
                                            _____________________________
                                            http://www.mooseyard.com/Jens/

Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 12:03:14 -0500
From: lee harvey fnordwald (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Frank Black


On Mon, 16 Dec 1996, heather m. wrote:

> I'm assuming this is a typo, as she walks and talks and goes to school...
> she's six or seven YEARS old...
>
>
> On Mon, 16 Dec 1996, lee harvey fnordwald wrote:
>
>
> >        ... being the father of a six week old little daughter
> >         and husband of a lovely wife, i find this routine
> >         a bit disturbing...
>



          aaah. canada...  what my midwestern-american-dialect encoded
          post was attempting to communicate is the fact that I
          myself am the father of a six week old little daughter and
          the husband of a lovely wife as well, eh?

          and the fact that this show depicts constant threats
          of physical violence to frank black's little girl
          and lovely wife makes the program more difficult for me to
          enjoy. parley-voo?


          eminatin' from that mitten-shaped region next to
          windsor....

                dan

          p.s. the fact that i live near and love canada (what we
          sometimes call the 51st state ;) authorizes
          me to make the good-natured jabs above. oshit i did it
          again just now, didnt i?


        P.P.S. so there was this guy who goes into the brain-surgeon's
        clinic and says "i've made up my mind i want to be polish.
        i've got the money in cash here in my pocket, so come on
        and do the proceedure. all my live i've admired the polish
        culture and now i want _be_ polish.

        the doctor says : well you know that in order to make you
        polish i have to remove 1/3 of your brain...

        patient: yeah yeah yeah whatever, just do the damn operation.

        so the doctor puts him under and while attempting the 1/3
        lobotomy, hiccups, and accidentally cuts out 2/3 of the guy's
        brain.

        weeks later the man finally regains consciousness, and the
        doctor is there at the side of the bed waiting:

        doctor: now before you say anything i thought i should tell
        you that due to unforseen complications, we've not been
        successful in the operation. i'm sorry but you will never
        be polish.

        the patient scratches his head... looks back at the doctor
        and asks:

                        "then what nationality  am I then, eh?"

Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 12:15:05 -0500
From: lee harvey fnordwald (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: nme story on chris acland


                         LUSH drummer Chris
                         Acland hanged himself after
                         a short bout of depression,
                         an inquest heard last week.
                         Giving evidence at a brief
                         inquest in Kendal, Chris'
                         father, Oliver Acland said
                         his son had been prescribed
                         anti-depressants just two
                         weeks before he took his own life. Mr Acland was
                                looking
                         after his son at his home in Cumbria when the
                                tragedy
                         happened. He told the coroner his son's death had
                                been a
                         surprise and added: "Up until he started being
                                depressed - a
                         fortnight before he died - he had been a happy
                                young man."
                         The coroner recorded a verdict of suicide.

                         Meanwhile, a fund set up in Chris' memory by his
                                parents
                         has now topped #10,000. The money will be spent
                                on
                         refurbishing the music room at The Lakes School
                                in Kendal,
                         where Chris learned to play drums as a schoolboy.



 ************************************************************************
   Now I need to come down slowly
   I need to come down slowly                               D
   so let me down now gently                                a
   very, very gently                                        n   K
   so that when I finally hit it                            i   l
   I'll hit the deck real slow                              e   y
                                                            l   n
   sweet anaesthesia
   sweet anaesthesia                             owilde@umich.edu
   sweet anaesthesia                             Document Defnording
       -david j-                                 Wondermonkey Cabal
************************************************************************


Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 09:57:21 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Milk & Kisses


Carol Coney wrote:
>However, maybe the CT-bashers need to be reminded that "Milk & Kisses"
>was also generally well reviewed by music critics. One that comes to my
>mind is Mark Jenkins of the Washington Post, and believe me, he's one of
>those critics who will pick apart any perceived flaws if he can.

This is a pretty weird line of argument, IMHO. Most mainstream critics
(yes, that includes anyone writing for a large metropolitan newspaper)
have very milquetoast tastes. My favorite example is Robert "I worship
U2, Prince and Springsteen" Hilburn of the LA Times, who as a bonus
writes the most leaden, plodding prose of any music critic I can imagine;
I'm actually glad he doesn't review anything remotely offbeat since if he
did I'd probably end up hating the band in question just by virtue of his
awful writing.

Positive reviews of recent CT by mainstream critics are just typical of
the phenomenon where a band will not get mainstream attention until they
lose whatever it was that made them interesting in the first place. In
the worst cases you then have to endure months of fawning press coverage
and Spin cover photos of someone whose current album sucks and whose
earlier great stuff didn't merit the attention. PJ Harvey and Velocity
Girl are good examples. In the case of CT it goes back to '90-'91; the
1991 tour was nice but I was wishing they could have afforded the backup
musicians and fancy light show back when I saw them in 1986, which as a
performance sucked but which still held the terror and majesty they used
to have.

I don't care what critics say, at least not after I've heard the album. I
don't care what the previous albums are like, I'll judge it on its own
merits. Someone said that if "M&K" had been the Cocteaux' first album
we'd all love it. Frankly if it had been their first album I would never
have bought it. I'd've listend to a few tracks on a listening station and
put it back without giving it more of a chance. It's like lukewarm
oatmeal compared to the kind of stuff I'm looking for.

Anyhow, this is all a stupid line of argument. Tastes are tastes, there
are no absolutes. I'll just close with the thought that what was always
interesting to me about the Cocteaux was that their music seemed to have
no relation to their everyday personalities, as was abundantly clear from
interviews. It was something like possession, it just came to them and
they didn't have the facilities to explain it. Somewhere around 1988 or
so I think they lost that connection to the sublime, and they've been
left to make music with their daylight personalities and nothing to go on
but a few fading memories and the master tapes to their old stuff. Like
sitting around trying to remember that wonderful dream you had last
night. It's gone, and any effort to explain or continue it will just be
leaden.

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                                                 jens@mooseyard.com [play]

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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 13:13:28 +0100
From: "Igor V. Boronenkov" (iboronen@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Mojave/Lush rumours


I love gissip!
Forwarding from Slowdive list..
Boroda

-----------------------------------

Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 13:57:11 +0500
From: susan marie mcgowan (sumcgowa@vt.edu)
Subject: re: mojave3???


greetings everyone...
on a related note to the current mojave3 thread (it's time to get the rumour
mill started)...
a friend of mine, who works for wea, was talking to a 4ad rep this morning,
and this guy said that mojave3 are probably going to be dropped, and that
lush are probably going to break up...
somehow, neither one of these 'revelations' surprise me all that much...

--------


Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 12:16:28 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Personal to Mark Frank


I hate to do this kind of thing but I've lost the email address and the
name doesn't show up in the subscriber lists of either 4AD-L or
pure-impure, so...

MARK FRANK, if you're still around, please drop me a line. Thanks.

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                                                 jens@mooseyard.com [play]

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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 14:41:19 -0500
From: Read Dawkins (jeheindl@AMHERST.EDU)
Subject: top 10, if appropriate


Well, here's my top ten musical items of the year.  No, they're not all
albums, but when you're broke you don't buy albums.  singles singles singles.

in no particular order:

guitar pop/rock.

Atari Teenage Riot:  "Deutschland Has Gotta Die" 7-inch on Digital
Hardcore/Grand Royal.  the next step.  jungle/hardcore hybrid.  masterful.

heard this you should.  Not the 4AD-L sound at all, but incredibly
humorous and engaging (crafty).  If you like Sone....

Galaxie 500 really well.  Now they write great songs with ringing guitars
and mellow vocals.

Bunnymen.

Various Artists:  _Pop American Style_ compilation on March.  double-CD
of some of the best pure pop around.

His Name Is Alive:  _Stars on ESP_ on 4AD.  no explanation necessary.

Long Fin Killie:  "Hands and Lips" CD5 on Too Pure.  great Madonna cover.

and that's only eight, but I can't come up with two other solid
contenders.  Great records officially release in 1995 but only found by
me in 1996 include Moose (_Live a Little Love a Lot_) and the Ropers (All
the Time).

enjoy.

jason eugene

Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 14:44:17 PST
From: Rachel (cvela@IRAPUATO.IRA.CINVESTAV.MX)
Subject: Lisa Germano


Hi everyone

I'm a very big Lisa Germano fan, i have two of her albums, I'm trying
to get her latest, I thank the heavenly cats  that this one isn't "too" hard
to get. I've been wondering
though, if her first album All the way down from the moon palace
will ever be reissued by 4AD.

Another question, can anyone tell me where to look up stuff about
this mortal coil..so far I've only listened to the music but I don't
know much about the project itself.

thanks

l.f.


Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 15:39:06 -0500
From: Greg Smith (gt7003b@PRISM.GATECH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Mojave/Lush rumours

              at Dec 16, 96 01:13:28 pm

> I love gissip!

Now, I'm not one to gossip, but...

> Forwarding from Slowdive list..
>
> greetings everyone...
> on a related note to the current mojave3 thread (it's time to get the rumour
> mill started)...
> a friend of mine, who works for wea, was talking to a 4ad rep this morning,
> and this guy said that mojave3 are probably going to be dropped

Well, I can't say I'm too sad.  I really liked Slowdive, and though I do
rather like Pygmalion, it's a bit different than their prior work.  For
me, Mojave 3 was perfectly pleasant bland music that was weaker than
Pygmalion.  A bit too Mazzy Star (again, perfectly pleasant, but I think
I'm falling asleep...) for my tastes. A bit uninspired. I'd love another
amplified slowdive album, though.

> and that lush are probably going to break up...
> somehow, neither one of these 'revelations' surprise me all that much...

Well, I was sad to hear about Acland, and I'm sad to hear that, though I
guess it's not surprising considering...  Still, they will be missed.

-greg

Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 15:12:11 PST
From: Tom Weibrecht (tweibrecht@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: Books for sick kids --GREAT JOB ( was: DON'T DO IT)


great job listpeople...im sure this corporation can afford new mail
servers...maybe they should make this a monthly event...or, how about if
we remind them of their social responsibility?...who said the people are powerle
s? thanks to all who mailed, tom w

On Mon, 16 Dec 1996 10:02:24 -0800 Jens Alfke  writes:
>Please DO NOT SEND ANY MORE MAIL to Houghton Mifflin. This was a
>genuine
>offer, but the people who started it were newbies and had absolutely
>no
>clue about the volume of email that can be generated by chain letters
>like this. After their mail servers went fully tits-up from the
>ensuing
>mailbombing, they gave up and just donated the maximum number of books
>that they had available. So the sick kids are happy with their new
>books,
>and please stop bothering Houghton Mifflin's poor servers and
>sysadmins
>and let them get back to their lives.
>
>(This I learned from a follow-up message my wife received from one of
>the
>mailing lists she's on.)
>
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>________________________
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>[work]
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>[play]
>
>              Paget saw an Irish tooth, Sir, in a waste gap.
>
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>


Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 15:25:47 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Books for sick kids --GREAT JOB ( was: DON'T DO IT)


Tom Weibrecht wrote:
>great job listpeople...

This thing was posted all over the place, not on this list; I don't think
the 1,000 people on this list really made much difference. The
announcement didn't even get posted on this list until after I'd already
heard elsewhere HM's plea to please stop sending mail. So feel good if
you want, but any messages anyone sent as a result of the announcement
here were just noise.

>im sure this corporation can afford new mail servers...

Don't bet on it. Try "one small department of a financially strapped
publishing company".

>maybe they should make this a monthly event...or, how about if
>we remind them of their social responsibility?...who said the people are
>powerless?

Pretty weird analysis since (a) it was their idea, no one had to "remind
them", (b) they can just give away the books on their own without having
to get mailbombed for their trouble, and (c) the more money they have to
spend on keeping their servers running the less they can spend on
donations. If you're so all fired up about books for sick kids why don't
_you_ buy a couple and donate them to a hospital?

I hate to see people congratulating themselves for participating in a
mailbombing, even if the victims brought it on themselves by their own
cluelessness. In the future think twice about anything you get that says
"everyone should send mail to XXXX..."

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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 19:12:35 -0500
From: Marissa Kraft (RISSARO@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 14 Dec 1996 to 15 Dec 1996


> I just read that Frank Black is name of the main character in Chris
>  Carter's new TV-production 'Millennium'. Where did he get that name?
>
>  The series will be shown over here sometime next year.. is it any good?

Yeah, i noticed that too- kind of weird heh?  As for the show, i really like,
it is directed by the same guy as X-files and is sort of similir, not really
better or worse, just different, -- a good different.   A guess it is trying
to attract an older crown cuz the detective has a family and is grey.
~marissa


Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 16:30:42 -0800
From: Matthew Greer (megreer@UCDAVIS.EDU)
Subject: luna and slowdive


On Sun, 15 Dec 1996, Mr. Dan Cunha wrote:

> Since your mentioning Luna and all. Does anyone know how much the
> Galaxie 500 boxset sells for?
>                                                                               
 --Dan
>
and since you are mentioning luna, is slowdive and luna related in anyway?
my only basis for this question is a lot of slowdive songs sound like
luna, but are any members involved in both bands?

Matt

Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 19:37:14 EST
From: "C.K. Coney" (violaine@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: Frank Black


On Mon, 16 Dec 1996 00:13:31 +0200 Emiel Efdee  writes:
>I just read that Frank Black is name of the main character in Chris
>Carter's new TV-production 'Millennium'. Where did he get that name?

Kinda weird, huh? Don't know where they got the name...maybe stuck in
Carter's subconscious!
>
>The series will be shown over here sometime next year.. is it any
>good?

Not good at all, nothing at all like X-Files, if you're a fan as I am.
And even if X-Files didn't exist & if my expectations weren't high for
Chris Carter productions, well, Millenium would still stink, imho.

Hopefully the series will improve before "sometime next year", when it
washes up like shite upon your shores.

Carol


Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 19:38:05 -0800
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: GUS 5 CD


GusGus GusGus GusGus GusGus GusGus GusGus GusGus GusGus GusGus GusGus...

The new GusGus promo is a simply wonderful five track sampling of the
forthcoming album which is entitled "Polydistortion".  The catalogue
number is GUS 5 CD.  The version I have is the non-catalogue numbered US
edition.  The sleeve is like the one used for GUS 2 CD, essentially
CD-sized sleeves of what the 12" GusGus promos look like.  A black
sticker is on the front cover and says ``selections from the debut album
"Polydistortion" (46375)``

Track listing...

1. Believe

2. Gun

3. Why?

4. Polyesterday

5. Is Jesus Your Pal?

All songs are by GusGus except for # 5 which was written by Slowblow.
Anyone familiar with Slowblow?  I like "Believe" and "Gun" while "Why?"
blew me away... really soothing vocals and a sort of This Motal Coil-ish
feeling was noticed.  The version of "Polyesterday" sounds like the BAD
6013 version, buy any way it's a cool song.  "Is Jesus Your Pal?" is a
very dreamy, soothing and fine song... this could have been on "Blood"
from This Mortal Coil easily!  Well, this really gets me excited about
the actual full length album that's out in the new year!  The US number
is mentioned above but I'm not sure about the UK ident.  CAD 7001,
perhaps??

Jeff Keibel
Scarborough, ON
CANADA
redshift@interlog.com

Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 17:44:51 +0000
From: "Mr. Dan Cunha" (D.Cunha@ix.netcom.com)
Subject: Re: luna and slowdive


Senor Matt Greer wrote:
< and since you are mentioning luna, is slowdive and luna related in <
anyway?
< my only basis for this question is a lot of slowdive songs sound     <
like luna, but are any members involved in both bands?

        The Answer that I know of is no, there were no universal members
between bands:
        Luna: Stanley Demeski, Sean Eden, Justin Harwood (the bald one), and
Dean Wareham.
        Slowdive were: Rachel Goswell, Neil Halstead, Christian Savill, Nick
Chapman, and Simon Scott, they might have had another drummer ... Ian
McCutcheon
Slowdive was produced by: Chris Hufford, and Neil.
                Luna: Elektra
Any other news: Dean was born in New Zealand and thats over seas, both
listened to Rolling Stones and Velvet Underground, I'm pretty sure.

                                That's it--Dan

Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 17:56:08 -0800
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: list moderator


>On Sat, 14 Dec 1996, Ellen Turpin-Dennig wrote:
>
>> ----Who is the list moderator for this list?   I need to "unsub" for a
>> while, but I can't!  AAAAHH!!  Please "unsub" me!
>>
>> Ellen
>>
>
>You are SOL, this list doesn't HAVE a moderator.

Picture this as you will. A list of out dated music. People who don't know
when to jump ship from a vessel that can't possible muster enough steam to
make a band sound good. You are in the List Zone!!!!!

I don't have the URL, but go search 4AD and you will find da home page. It
will have the instructions to cloak you from this list.

Long live the Klingon Empire.

Fred "Worf-Kick-Ass" Collins

p.s. I know....I should "GET A LIFE"


Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 19:11:33 -0800
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: RHP concert


>They played in Austin about 3 weeks ago at the Cactus Cafe. I'd give more
>details on how the show went, but I didn't go...
>
>John

You didn't go! Your in Texas. Boy, don't you know what we do with folx like
you. The horse and the noose please!


Fred

Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 21:54:28 -0600
From: Layne Russell (ALRUSSELL@DELTA.IS.TCU.EDU)
Subject: search for new music


I've been searching for some interesting new bands to listen to.
I've been really out of touch with the current music scene for the
last year, finishing up my last year of college. Some of my favorite
bands are Cocteau Twins, MBV, Slowdive, Lush, HMIA. Can anyone suggest
some other bands (in the realm of etheral,shoegazing, ambient) that
they like.
check out low.  they're in the realm of beautiful.  layne
    Thanks Micheal Ellis, Mortville TallMan1@ix.netcom.com