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Subject: Seely lee cliche eh?
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 08:38:23 -0500
From: Jason Bryant (Srilank@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: william orbit - space
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 08:37:48 -0500
From: Jason Bryant (Srilank@AOL.COM)
Subject: top ten
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 08:28:45 -0700
From: Randy Raymer (rraymer@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: low concert
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 10:01:15 -0600
From: Jason Marc Morehead (00161068@BIGRED.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: top ten
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 11:31:12 -0500
From: "Blue Bell's Knoll" (BluBelKnol@AOL.COM)
Subject: Northern Exposure
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 12:18:59 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Stellar / Gus Gus
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 13:19:15 EST
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Small Listy sale
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 16:12:50 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Frank Black
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 00:13:31 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: Heaven or Vegas
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 18:05:32 EST
From: "C.K. Coney" (violaine@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: Milk & Kisses
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 18:05:32 EST
From: "C.K. Coney" (violaine@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: Small Listy sale
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 19:14:14 -0600
From: carmex is real (joanna@HARDCORPS.ORG)
Subject: oops
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 19:51:21 -0600
From: carmex is real (joanna@HARDCORPS.ORG)

Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 08:38:23 -0500
From: Jason Bryant (Srilank@AOL.COM)
Subject: Seely lee cliche eh?


> >let's do something new. Go listen to Amp or
>  >Scala or Seely or Underworld or Labradford...
>
>  thank you, i already have (and i can appreciate both the 'new' and the
'old')
>
>  seely???  cliches 'r' us...

I'm curious as to why you think Seely is the housing for all that is cliched.
  Boy girl sharing vox, underlying song structure somewhat reminscent of sped
up Luna or earlier nervous rock Pale Saints...so, I suppose that's where I
hear the references -  they could do much worse, but they haven't :)

Don't count your Seely's before they hatch.

jason

srilank@aol.com

Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 08:37:48 -0500
From: Jason Bryant (Srilank@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: william orbit - space


> I need some help here. I have checked all the william orbit discographies
>
>  I could find but there's no trace of this piece. it's called "space" and
>  it's a collaboration of william orbit, fluff and klf (I have no idea who
>  these other guys are)  is it an album? a 'project'? any clue would be
>  appreciated. thanks

The work is entitled _Space_ and up to this point had only heard that it was
the work of jimi cauty of the KLF.  Here's how the availability story goes
(file under - compendium: irritation)
There was supposedly 1000 initial copies printed back in '90 or so (not sure
of the label) and these subsequently all sold and thusly went out of print (I
am really starting to hate those three strung together words)  and as a
result it was bootlegged.  I'm not sure how many copies of the bootleg exist,
but I'm sure that the number changes daily :)  I've read where the boot was
coupled with the KLF's _Chill out_ and that one or the other had material
chopped off to allow for time's sake *and* I've heard of there being a boot
of just _Space_ itself.  If you do track it down, expect to pay in upwards of
$30 for it (and that of course could be the original...or not).  Me?  I have
a dubbed copy from last year courtesy of BiZ (thanks) that has endured many
repeat listens and ensuing frustration due to the absence of it on ANY cd in
my collection.  Anybody want to give a compensated Christmas present :)

jason


srilank@aol.com


Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 08:28:45 -0700
From: Randy Raymer (rraymer@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: top ten


My favorites in 1996(in no particular order:
Hedningarna-"Fire"-one of the best things I've heard in years.
Love Spirals Downwards-"Ever"-Suzanne is marvelous(what else is new?).
Mazzy Star-"Among My Swan"
King Crimson-"Thrakattak"
Dead Can Dance-"Spiritchaser"
The Changelings-self titled-(thanks,Carol!)
Bel Canto-"Magic Box"
Cocteau Twins-"Milk And Kisses"
Lida Husik-"Blue Green Fire"
Madredeus-"Ainda"
Randy Raymer

Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 10:01:15 -0600
From: Jason Marc Morehead (00161068@BIGRED.UNL.EDU)
Subject: low concert


hi all...

     last night, low performed in omaha at this place called the cog
factory, a place that normally hosts punk bands.  simply put, this was
one great concert.  they played "anon," "over the ocean", and "the
plan" from their new album and "words" from "i could live in hope."  i
assume the other songs they played are on "long division" or
"transmission", which i don't have.  they closed the set with a lovely
Christmas song, which was interesting to hear in light of the recent
discussion about Christian artists.  all in all, low played 9 songs.
only about 15 people showed up, but low still played an amazing set.
the vocal harmonies translated perfectly to a live setting, and alan's
guitar made some lovely drones.  they just stood there, basically
motionless as they played, putting out beautifully sparse music.
afterwards, we talked to alan.  they're all pretty amicable people,
joking about the size of the crowd and touring.

        basically, what i'm trying to say is, if low comes to your
area, go see them.  you won't be disappointed.  i don't see too many
shows, but this one was amazing!

     the opening band played some really good spinanes-ish pop, with
just a drumset and bass guitar.  they used to be called donnybrook,
but they changed their name.

     i also picked up "prazision" by labradford.  i haven't had a
chance to listen to it, but i'm looking forward to having one.  maybe
at work tomorrow, or as something to chill out to after finals.

jason

p.s. all of you should check out projekt records' "excelsis" album.
     your favorite Christmas carols given the lovely projekt
     treatment.  love spirals downwards' version of "welcome
     Christmas" is really good, as is thanatos' cover of "the firs
     noel".

Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 11:31:12 -0500
From: "Blue Bell's Knoll" (BluBelKnol@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: top ten


In a message dated 96-12-15 11:21:57 EST, you write:

<< My favorites in 1996(in no particular order:
 Hedningarna-"Fire"-one of the best things I've heard in years.
 Love Spirals Downwards-"Ever"-Suzanne is marvelous(what else is new?).
 Mazzy Star-"Among My Swan"
 King Crimson-"Thrakattak"
 Dead Can Dance-"Spiritchaser"
 The Changelings-self titled-(thanks,Carol!)
 Bel Canto-"Magic Box"
 Cocteau Twins-"Milk And Kisses"
 Lida Husik-"Blue Green Fire"
 Madredeus-"Ainda"
 Randy Raymer
  >>

you forgot HisNameIsAlive "Stars on ESP"       ;)

~blu


Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 12:18:59 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Northern Exposure


Anybody out ther eheard the new compilation that came out recently called
"Northern Exposure"? It purports to have tracks from folks like
Underworld, FSOL and their ilk... anybody know what tracks are on it?


Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 13:19:15 EST
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Stellar / Gus Gus


        Got the Stellar ep on Detox (9602). It's pleasant, if unremarkable,
gentle guitar pop - kind of Field Mice meet Dubstar. The singer's voice seems a
little weedy, though. Not tracked down 9601 - Toucan as yet.
        Gus Gus (or three of them) are interviewed in December / January's Jocke

Slut magazine (might be difficult to track down outside the UK)

- Dez


Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 16:12:50 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Small Listy sale


Following discs for sale, all excellent condition.
Post me privately if yer interested.

18wheeler "The Hours and the Times" ep
the Chills "Kaleidoscope World"
Curve "Frozen" ep
Curve "Cherry" ep
McCarthys "Thats all very well but... the best of McCarthy"
Nurse with Wound / Stereolab "Crumb Duck"
William Orbit "Strange Cargo" (#1)
Orbital "Lush3" ep
The Stone Roses "What the World is Waiting For"ep
Telstar Ponies "Maps & Starcharts" ep
Throwing Muses "House Tornado"
Various Artists (mouse on mars/oval/scanner/main/hazan+shea)
        "Folds & Rhizomes for Gilles Deleuze"


Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 00:13:31 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Frank Black


I just read that Frank Black is name of the main character in Chris
Carter's new TV-production 'Millennium'. Where did he get that name?

The series will be shown over here sometime next year.. is it any good?


Emiel

Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 18:05:32 EST
From: "C.K. Coney" (violaine@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: Heaven or Vegas


On Sat, 14 Dec 1996 12:21:11 GMT Paul Spirito
 writes:
>With Cocteau talk recently, thought I'd mention there's going to be a
>film called "Heaven or Vegas" starring Yasmine Bleeth (Baywatch) and
>Richard Grieco (21 Jump Street). Don't know if CT music will be
>featured.
>
>Well, I'm amused.
>
>Paul
>
That's a joke, right?


Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 18:05:32 EST
From: "C.K. Coney" (violaine@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: Milk & Kisses


On Fri, 13 Dec 1996 18:40:10 -0500 JRR TOLKIEN 
>I'm not going to try to point out why anyone should like it or even
>why I absolutely love it, but I do really like Milk & Kisses all the
>way through. I truly feel sorry for all that can't truly enjoy the
>beauty that was created on this album. Cheese? As far as I'm
>concerned, I really don't know what you mean by cheese. I guess I'm
>just too much in love with music in general to seriously over-analyze
>anything. Everytime I hear a new album put out by one of my old
>favorites (I own most of the Cocteau Twins Discog), even if I want to,
> I have a hard time comparing it with anything else they have ever
>done. I really don't think it is ever fair to the artist to compare
>one piece of art they produced with another totally different piece
>of art they made at one time or the other. Just to remind you all,
>the one constant is change. If you don't understand how that ties in
>with my point, don't even bother asking. For those that have rigid
>minds that hardly change with the times, break out and enjoy the
>beauty that is being made around you with music. There is a lot out
>there. It is one of the only truly beautiful things to look forward
>to in this world of constant strife.
>      Ryan (GGNL44A@Prodigy.com)
>
Ryan,

I agree with everything you said, but don't forget, this is the 4AD list,
where CT-bashing has become an art form!

However, maybe the CT-bashers need to be reminded that "Milk & Kisses"
was also generally well reviewed by music critics. One that comes to my
mind is Mark Jenkins of the Washington Post, and believe me, he's one of
those critics who will pick apart any perceived flaws if he can. As a
former band promoter in the DC area, I know several bands who were very
good and yet were afraid to send new releases to Jenkins! So...when he
ranked "Milk and Kisses" up there among CT's best, that certainly should
"legitimize" M & K for some.

For me, M & K ranks as one of my fave CT cd's, and it also ranks in my
top ten for 1996.  The band can do no wrong, IMHO. (Let the flames start
flyin...I can take it!})

Carol Coney


Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 19:14:14 -0600
From: carmex is real (joanna@HARDCORPS.ORG)
Subject: Re: Small Listy sale


> Various Artists (mouse on mars/oval/scanner/main/hazan+shea)
>         "Folds & Rhizomes for Gilles Deleuze"

i'm interested in this. what's your price? would you be willing to trade?
.j.

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   joanna@hardcorps.org         http://piglet.cc.utexas.edu/~joanna
        noiserotica.wednesday.mornings.3am.5am.kvrx.91.7.austin

        Music is the pleasure the human soul experiences from counting
                without being aware that it is counting.
                                                        -- Leibniz

Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 19:51:21 -0600
From: carmex is real (joanna@HARDCORPS.ORG)
Subject: oops


disregard that last msg. doh.

to repent, i'll say that the curtain society is pretty thislisty, although
some of their songs are a bit annoying.
bah, top tens,
.j.

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   joanna@hardcorps.org         http://piglet.cc.utexas.edu/~joanna
        noiserotica.wednesday.mornings.3am.5am.kvrx.91.7.austin

        Music is the pleasure the human soul experiences from counting
                without being aware that it is counting.
                                                        -- Leibniz


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