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Subject: Chimera
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 00:53:50 -0500
From: butterfly mcqueen (eehong@WESLEYAN.EDU)
Subject: Re: Mud & Cookies
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 01:09:04 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: a lengthy top ten with commentary
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 01:29:38 -0500
From: like a daydream (bgmutza@INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: Mud and Cookies
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 01:16:32 -0600
From: Natty Gnat (ersatz@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Heaven or Vegas
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 12:21:11 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: william orbit - space
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 16:47:25 PST
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: Re: HNIA and red house painters
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 13:02:22 -0500
From: elemental frisbee (ktp52952@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu)
Subject: Re: Mud and Cookies
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 13:06:38 -0600
From: "Mrs. John Murphy" (TallMan1@ix.netcom.com)
Subject: Re: milk and kisses
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 13:59:57 +0500
From: susan marie mcgowan (sumcgowa@VT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Mud and Cookies
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 12:21:30 -0800
From: Matt Greer (megreer@UCDAVIS.EDU)
Subject: Harold Budd
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 16:34:07 -0500
From: superbacana (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: list moderator
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 13:42:09 -0800
From: Ellen Turpin-Dennig (roxie@CRUZIO.COM)
Subject: Re: list moderator
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 16:06:44 -0600
From: Chad Dorton (slr4s@CC.USU.EDU)

Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 00:53:50 -0500
From: butterfly mcqueen (eehong@WESLEYAN.EDU)
Subject: Chimera


Speaking of Chimera, does anybody want my CD copy of Earth Loop?  You can
have it for $6 postpaid in the U.S.  My copies of Ride's Smile EP and The
Sounds of Medicine are also up for sale, if anyone's interested.

; ed


Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 01:09:04 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Mud & Cookies


In a message dated 96-12-13 19:01:18 EST, you write:

<< Well, if you want to call 4CC & M & K "cheese" (I certainly wouldn't use
 that term)...well, count me in then as one who likes cheese...and
 milk...and kisses!
  >>
If the last two albums were the only ones by the CT, all those who say they
don't care for them would probably adore them.  I like them as much as other
albums.  Also, it is funny--when M&K came out, people were saying it was one
of the best CT albums ever.  It seems funny that many people are disappointed
now.  I will admit my all-time favorite album by CT is Treasure.

Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 01:29:38 -0500
From: like a daydream (bgmutza@INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: a lengthy top ten with commentary


my top ten of 1996, in no particular order:

seely - julie only
i can't say enough good things about this cd.  it melted my heart from
the first time i heard it, and i've only grown to enjoy it more with each
listen.  i'm a sucker for well-done vocal harmonies, and they do it
wonderfully, as well as writing incredibly catchy tunes.  i'm glad to see
others on here have enjoyed this as well!

long fin killie - valentino
it's fairly easy for me to pick out a group's influences and similarities
these days (or so i think).  but lfk consistently impress the hell out of
me.  technically excellent, but still catchy, and about as unique as
anyone i've heard lately.

low - the curtain hits the cast
i'm a low fanatic -- there, i've said it.  so they could've released a
half-assed album, and i probably would've loved it just as well.  and
yeah, so they haven't made any drastic changes in sound, but i love this
album.  slow, depressing, beautiful.  'do you know how to waltz?' makes
the album.

everything but the girl - walking wounded
sad lyrics + drum 'n' bass = wholesomeness.  okay, so maybe drum n bass
is the hip thing to do these days, but i think the merging of what
they've done in the past (which hasn't always been all that) with the
updated techno beats of now works wonderfully for me.

mojave 3 - ask me tomorrow
sure, i love slowdive as much as the next person who'd pay $30 for 'blue
day'.  and i was prepared to hate this album, but it's so damned relaxing
and lovely that i can't help but fall in love with it.  if only we
could have slowdive AND mojave 3!

yum yum - dan loves patti
while low and red house painters are just flat out, all-around
depressing, yum yum manage to take really emotional lyrics and set them
to a beat that's not always dour.  musically, it's been done before, but
the lyrics just break my heart in two and, as this list is demonstrating
it seems, that's what does it for me.

godflesh - songs of love and hate
it's probably just because they're the only band i listened to in high
school that i still tolerate, but this album renewed my faith in them.
add the old-school, live drumming, and godflesh are still on the cutting
edge of grindcore.  if anyone actually thinks grindcore is cutting edge.

windy & carl - drawing of sound
this was my first real exposure to w&c, and i distinctly remember my jaw
dropping upon first listen.  wonderful drone, virtually unequalled these
days.  i'm a converted w&c fanatic because of this album.

the posies - amazing disgrace
i've been a closet posies fan for years and, though i don't think this
one stacks up to 'frosting on the beater', i find myself listening to
this frequently and humming along.  i can't seem to understand the
general lack of care, bordering on hatred for the posies... extremely
catchy, intelligent pop songs.  what more do you want?

scenic - acquatica
it's a tough choice between this and half string, but i give scenic the
nod.  a wonderful blending of ambient-like pieces and wonderful, more
traditional 'band' type songs.



looking forward to in 1997...
portishead (have they fallen off the face of the earth??)
digital hardcore full-lengths
gene
my bloody... whatever.
gus gus
brendan perry (c'mon 4ad, you released the paladins... you OWE us this)


now that we've started the 'best ofs', who's going to track down einexile and
get his?  you KNOW a 4ad-l best of thread isn't the same without him, if for
nothing else than the inevitable 'worst of' accompaniment.  the rest of you
too... keep 'em coming.


back to lurking,

brian
bgmutza@indiana.edu

Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 01:16:32 -0600
From: Natty Gnat (ersatz@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Mud and Cookies


Jens wrote:

> I'd almost go so far as to say that part of the Cocteau Twins' problem is
> that they haven't changed _enough_, or at least not in the right ways.

The lamented einexile nailed this one in the week of release, M & K just
sounds contrived, as if the Twins, stung by the lackluster response
to Four Calander Cafe, decided to pander to their fanbase instead.  So
aside from the vaguely aggressive Violane, the album is an exercise in
self-plagerism.  Honestly, it has made me appreciate FCC, and for this
alone it's worth keeping...

D.S. Roy aka ersatz@hal-pc.org

Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers - Picasso


Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 12:21:11 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: Heaven or Vegas


With Cocteau talk recently, thought I'd mention there's going to be a
film called "Heaven or Vegas" starring Yasmine Bleeth (Baywatch) and
Richard Grieco (21 Jump Street). Don't know if CT music will be
featured.

Well, I'm amused.

Paul


Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 16:47:25 PST
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: william orbit - space


I need some help here. I have checked all the william orbit discographies

I could find but there's no trace of this piece. it's called "space" and
it's a collaboration of william orbit, fluff and klf (I have no idea who
these other guys are)  is it an album? a 'project'? any clue would be
appreciated. thanks
-naor-

"suicide is painless"   the necrophilic narcissist


Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 13:02:22 -0500
From: elemental frisbee (ktp52952@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu)
Subject: Re: HNIA and red house painters


On Mon, 9 Dec 1996, Matt Greer wrote:

>         Hey everyone,  I had no idea that HNIA was on tour right now (i'm
> quite in the dark about these things) can anyone tell me if they'll be
> anywhere near florida in the next few weeks? I'd love to see them while on
> my christmas break.
>
greetings from the great floridian void.

RHP and HNIA stopped at "the club at firestone," downtown Orlando, on
November 22nd.  HNIA played for less than an hour, and RHP continued to
play for 2.5 hours.  it was quite an amazing show.

i got there late and missed the hnia part.  however, before the show hnia
headed to a local college station "wprk; 91.5," and recorded an interview.
in it, warren threatened to end the tour then and spend out the time at
Sea World... :)



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Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 13:06:38 -0600
From: "Mrs. John Murphy" (TallMan1@ix.netcom.com)
Subject: Re: Mud and Cookies


> Jens wrote:

> I'd almost go so far as to say that part of the Cocteau Twins' problem is
> that they haven't changed _enough_, or at least not in the right ways.

I'm also feel let down by M&K. My favorite band is the CT. Everything
that they have done has progressed from Garlands to Heaven or Las
Vegas. I had high hopes after hearing the Otherness Ep, Thinking that
CT would be incorpating some new Ideas into their music(by way of
Clifford/Seefeel). I read last year, in NME, that CT where having some
personal problems between band members. Could this have affected their
music and made it kind of bland. I hope so. I hate to think, that like
most bands which were around for a long time, are getting in a rut.
They run out of ideas and start knocking out product and stop making
art. I have not given up on the Cocteau Twins, but I'm scared their
taking that path.

Micheal Ellis TallMan1@ix.netcom.com

Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 13:59:57 +0500
From: susan marie mcgowan (sumcgowa@VT.EDU)
Subject: Re: milk and kisses


>dreampop is dead,

well, even if so, some of us still enjoy it...

>let's do something new. Go listen to Amp or
>Scala or Seely or Underworld or Labradford...

thank you, i already have (and i can appreciate both the 'new' and the 'old')
seely???  cliches 'r' us...


Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 12:21:30 -0800
From: Matt Greer (megreer@UCDAVIS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Mud and Cookies


>Micheal Ellis wrote:
>
>> I hate to think, that like
>>most bands which were around for a long time, are getting in a rut.
>>They run out of ideas and start knocking out product and stop making
>>art. I have not given up on the Cocteau Twins, but I'm scared their
>>taking that path.
>>
>
>it's inevitable that the CT are gonna hit that rut, because I think there
definetly is a finite amount of art that any one group can make. whether FCC
and M&K was that rut (I dont think so) or something else to come after it.
i think it'd be great that they recognize the rut and part ways respectfully
rather than put out album after album of "product", which so many bands do.
maybe they could move into new projects or do solo stuff...
>


Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 16:34:07 -0500
From: superbacana (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Harold Budd


>I remember there was a Harold Budd thread recently, but I don't remember
>if there was mention of the following two recordings:
>
>Glyph (with Hector Zazou) or Luxa (the latter with the oddly-titled
>"Butterflies with Tits").

Hmm...I seem to remember a Terry Gilliam drawing of a butterfly with about 8
tits...

>Does anyone on this list have either of these and recommend it?

_Glyph_ is pretty interesting - a lot of guest appearances, unusual
instrumentation (kantele, anyone?), samples...some of the tracks are marred
by Budd reciting his lame poetry, though.

>Also, do
>either of these projects involve any members of Cocteau Twins?

No. However, Budd's _Lovely Thunder_ features a track called "Flowered Knife
Shadows" which is dedicated to Simon Raymonde and is essentially another
version of a track from _The Moon and the Melodies_.

Also, someone mentioned Sussan Deyhim in the thread about recommendations
for ambient-type stuff - she's also on last year's Eno/Jah Wobble
collaboration _Spinner_ which is worth checking out too.


Larry

Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 13:42:09 -0800
From: Ellen Turpin-Dennig (roxie@CRUZIO.COM)
Subject: list moderator


----Who is the list moderator for this list?   I need to "unsub" for a
while, but I can't!  AAAAHH!!  Please "unsub" me!

Ellen


Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 16:06:44 -0600
From: Chad Dorton (slr4s@CC.USU.EDU)
Subject: Re: list moderator


On Sat, 14 Dec 1996, Ellen Turpin-Dennig wrote:

> ----Who is the list moderator for this list?   I need to "unsub" for a
> while, but I can't!  AAAAHH!!  Please "unsub" me!
>
> Ellen
>

You are SOL, this list doesn't HAVE a moderator.


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