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Subject: Re: spain
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 13:44:39 PST
From: Tom Weibrecht (tweibrecht@JUNO.COM)
Subject: reviews for holiday shopping
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 23:30:04 -0800
From: drew schwickerath (schwicke@cs.umass.edu)
Subject: Re: Mud & Cookies
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 21:53:22 -0800
From: Matt Greer (megreer@UCDAVIS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Top N in progress
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 08:53:39 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Seach For New Music
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 08:58:18 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Xtian bands [Bleach?]
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 09:14:07 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Secret Curve?
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 13:48:48 -0500
From: Michael Borum (iceblink@TIAC.NET)
Subject: Re: Bleach / Xtian bands
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 09:20:56 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Unrest/Curve
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 09:05:10 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: air miami
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 03:04:52 -0500
From: "Blue Bell's Knoll" (BluBelKnol@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Christian Bands?
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 09:38:29 -0600
From: Jason Marc Morehead (00161068@BIGRED.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Spain
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 10:00:16 +0000
From: Pedro Blasco Onsurbe (pedro@gesein.es)
Subject: GUS 3
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 14:07:24 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Low / Xtian bands
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 06:41:54 -0500
From: superbacana (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: FSOL ISDN ????
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 05:29:54 EST
From: Jeremy L Orr (j.orr@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: Seach For New Music
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 09:00:06 -0500
From: Jason Bryant (Srilank@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Christian Bands?
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:04:28 -0500
From: "Blue Bell's Knoll" (BluBelKnol@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Low / Xtian bands
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 10:06:36 -0600
From: Chad Dorton (slr4s@CC.USU.EDU)
Subject: Pixies reference [Re: Deal Of A Century]
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 08:55:56 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: spain
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 12:29:58 -0500
From: Cassnyc@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Seach For New Music -Reply
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 12:04:13 PST
From: Tom Weibrecht (tweibrecht@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Top N in progress
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 10:58:24 -0600
From: Natty Gnat (ersatz@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Re: Mud & Cookies
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 13:28:16 -0500
From: jawolfe (jawolfe@INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: Do a good thing (fwd)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 09:20:52
From: Douglas_Thayer@mail.syscom.com.tw
Subject: Re: Christian Bands
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 13:29:43 -0500
From: jawolfe (jawolfe@INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Christian Bands?
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 13:29:11 -0600
From: Jason Marc Morehead (00161068@BIGRED.UNL.EDU)
Subject: tis the season for top tens
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 10:21:28 -0800
From: nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Harold Budd Recommendations
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 15:07:46 EST
From: "C.K. Coney" (violaine@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: Low / Xtian bands
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 16:00:19 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Pixies reference [Re: Deal Of A Century]
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 16:30:42 -0500
From: Kelli-Jeanne Drum (Noisegirly@AOL.COM)
Subject: velour - 1st ep addendum
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 16:28:17 -0500
From: Kelli-Jeanne Drum (Noisegirly@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Christian Bands?
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 13:55:00 -0800
From: "C. Kemnitz" (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: meteors / new grape
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 13:56:16 -0800
From: nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Re: Mud & Cookies
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 17:46:22 EST
From: "C.K. Coney" (violaine@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: meteors / new grape
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 18:49:46 -0500
From: Ryan Weisgerber (PaleGoth@AOL.COM)
Subject: More Top Ten Tally-in'
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 19:22:34 EST
From: "C.K. Coney" (violaine@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Milk & Kisses
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 18:40:10 -0500
From: JRR TOLKIEN (GGNL44A@PRODIGY.COM)
Subject: Re: Mud & Cookies
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 17:13:21 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Milk & Kisses
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 17:51:15 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: pure-impure
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 22:11:17 EST
From: Matthew T DeBellis (loomer5@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: Mud & Cookies
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 02:48:46 +0100
From: nm/zenana@BEKAERT.COM
Subject: I'll give you a fiver
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 11:00:00 EST
From: Cameron Webb (cameronw@CIDM.WH.SU.EDU.AU)

Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 13:44:39 PST
From: Tom Weibrecht (tweibrecht@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: spain


this is charlie haden's kid band, correct?
tom w
On Wed, 11 Dec 1996 20:30:13 -0600 Chad Dorton  writes:
>On Wed, 11 Dec 1996, Matt Greer wrote:
>
>>         when I saw the cocteau twins on their tour this past summer,
>a band
>> called spain opened for em...they where kinda cool and I wouldnt
>mind
>> checking em out, but i cant seem to find anything by them
>anywhere...it
>> could be because i live in a dinky little town with pathetic record
>stores,
>> but anyone out there know of/own any of their stuff?
>>
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> btw-i just picked up slowdive's "souvlaki" based on what ive heard
>about em
>> from this mailing list and I must say I love it....
>>
>
>As far as I know, Spain only have one full length release:  "The Blue
>Moods of Spain".  It is an absolutely fantastic.  You MUST have the
>disc
>in your collection.  It didn't seem to be hard to find.  It was just
>sitting there on the shelf, no special order or anything... How
>po-dunk
>of a town do you live in?  I got it at Media Play I think.  Geez, if
>they
>have it, every store probably does....
>


Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 23:30:04 -0800
From: drew schwickerath (schwicke@cs.umass.edu)
Subject: reviews for holiday shopping


well, i've been meaning to write reviews of the recent additions to my
collection of audio media.  records.  cds.  unfortunately i'm pretty
well exhausted by the end of semester crunch, so these are pretty
short.  here is the word.


rachel's - the sea and the bells

why don't i remember hearing a (imperial) ton of praise for this when it
came out?  i remember hearing some okay things.  someone must come
forward to wake people up and tell them "this is wonderful."  that
someone is me.

the packaging is the typical rachel's/one ton press packaging.  fragile
folded paper and a beautiful booklet.  this time with an epic poem.
basically the story of a man and a ship and fire and sinking and water
and the woman he loves.

the album is pretty much a soundtrack for the poem.  very nautical.
this time we are back to the large ensemble with vibes and such that we
heard on handwriting lp, rather than the trio of egon scheile.  pretty
much more chamber music, but more coherent than handwriting.  i think
that this is their best album to date and is definitely on my top ten of
the year.


future sound of london - dead cities

another soundtrack.  this one is more for a william gibson novel (which
i happened to have been reading when i picked this up).  i've only heard
lifeforms (paths 1-7) (which i love) and isdn (which had high points but
didn't consistently excite me like others say it did them).  this is
somewhere between.  some tracks are closer to the hard edge of isdn only
cleaner, more produced and scrubbed.  nods to early skinny puppy on 'we
have explosive' (in terms of the vocal chopping and such).  'my kingdom'
is indeed an awesome track, as has been noted.  the opening track, 'herd
killing', somehow manages to mix the gurgly organic sounds from
lifeforms with hard-edged techno/industrial.  and it works.  this is an
album of mixing together things that oughtn't go together and making
them work together.

the book with the limited edition is interesting.  i'm still trying to
decide if it was worth the extra money the art is sometimes pretty and
sometimes frightening and sometimes redundant (due to the oft-reused
source material and repeated themes).  the short stories are pretty
twisted.  brilliant or just twisted for twisted sake?  well, the story
about the man listening to his neighbors was excellent.

again, this will probably go on my top ten.


various artists - christmas single/ep (dewdrops)

it's heeeere.  i just got this one in the mail a couple days ago from
brant (thanks).  this is basically a track from each cd or band (and not
on the cd) on dewdrops.  here is the tracklisting.

elysium - christmas - not on their cd.  i remember hearing this when
they played colorado a year ago and now i finally have it on vinyl.
whoop.  more along the lines of their album.  relatively mellow.
beautiful guitar work.  lovely alto vocals.  very nice.

hover - the world within - this is on their cd.  nice.  this didn't
strike me as groundbreaking but is not dull either.  just nice.  i'll
have to listen to it some more to really decide if i should get their
album, though.

orange - ecco - not on their cd.  when the guitar starts, i thought i
was listening to classic cocteau twins.  the vocals are *not* liz
frazier, though.  they are still wonderful and it doesn't sound silly,
even though i can sort of understand the words.

the moon seven times - michelle - on thurtene.  well, i finally got to
hear m7x.  i'm impressed.  lovely female vocals over a nice dark cover
to a classic clan'o'xymox tune.  how do their albums compare with this.


coming soon...the 1996 top ten.

until then - drew

Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 21:53:22 -0800
From: Matt Greer (megreer@UCDAVIS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Mud & Cookies


>[Was there much hype for _M&K_?  I've been sorta out of the loop this
>year...I never even saw a video from the album.]

not that I know of, they toured for it, put out some singles, but they didnt
go the way of radio play and mtv videos (which is very fortunate)


>"A good effort"?  Being one of those people that loves their older stuff,
>I suppose I'm going to get written off as one of those "whining maggots
>on the World Wide Web" that pines for the good old days of 1987 or
>whatever, but come on.  _Milk_&_Kisses_ is...well, I don't hate it, but
>it's just so stunningly mediocre that I can't get worked up enough about
>it to bother hating it.

well I'm (as I've said before) pretty new to this whole genre of
music..."four calendar cafe" was my first cocteau twins album and since I
had nothing else of theirs to compare it to (and no other band I'd ever
heard sounded like it) I thought it was wonderful. Ive since gone and bought
a lot of their older albums and they are all superior to "FCC" IMO (except
"heaven or las vegas", i cant get into that one) but the fact remains I
still like their new, uh, "less playful" (??) more acousticy sounding sound
because that was all I knew at the onset....so I guess that enables me to
like milk and kisses...i dunno, i guess the bottom line is to each his own :)

Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 08:53:39 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Top N in progress


tmp sagely noted:
>Interesting; not a single 4AD release on your list.

The last time I had any 4AD releases on my top ten was 1992, for "In
Ribbons" and "Spooky". Oh wait, no, there was the Unrest "Isabel Bishop"
EP in 1993.

Oh, and BTW once I got home I realized I'd forgotten to add:
  Perfume Tree "A Lifetime Away"
  Schoolhouse Rock boxed set [not the tribute, the original songs]

Further BTW -- this year my annual "best of the year" tape I give to
friends for Xmas is going to be a CD. CD recording hardware's cheap now
(esp. if you can borrow it from work!) and slurping tracks digitally off
of audio CDs is trivial, at least on a Mac. Just use the MoviePlayer
app's Import and Export commands.

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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 08:58:18 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Seach For New Music


Micheal Ellis wrote:
>Some of my favorite
>bands are Cocteau Twins, MBV, Slowdive, Lush, HMIA. Can anyone suggest
>some other bands (in the realm of etheral,shoegazing, ambient) that
>they like.

In that genre I'd have to recommend:  (with star rankings)
  Windy & Carl (very Slowdive/Victorialand like but more ambient) ***
  Amp (wonderful new ambient/drone/shoegazer/ethereal/whatever) *****
  Flying Saucer Attack (noisy shoegazer/ambient) ****
  Seefeel ("Polyfusia" or "Quique" -- essential shoegaze/ambient/dub)
*****
  Seely (like a calm and soothing MBV) ***
  Perfume Tree (rawther Seefeel-like with some Lush touches) ***
  Talk Talk "Laughing Stock" (if you like Slowdive's "Pygmalion") *****
  Bark Psychosis "Hex" (ditto) *****

Most of these are 1996 releases, so after you buy them you can feel in
touch with what today's youth are listening to :)

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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 09:14:07 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Xtian bands [Bleach?]


>Here's the *very* short list of good bands I know of that are
>also Christian...

I've always wondered whether Michael Gira of the Swans is actually Xtian
-- "Children Of God" has a lot of very religious content, which one might
imagine to be parody but it's done so seriously. What I find interesting
is that it's exactly the opposite kind of message of most other Xtian
music. It's kind of like having Cotton Mather or John Calvin come back
fronting a sludge/grunge/trudge combo to tell you how you're worthless
ugly sinning scum in the eyes of God and you're going to go to hell
forever. Strange how I never heard any of it on any Xtian radio shows;
guess it doesn't fit in well with all the "praise music".

[Not an Xtian myself but I'm fascinated by some of the issues. And my
wife and I have a weakness for Catholic kitsch like Virgen de Guadalupe
candles and Lives Of The Saints For Children books...]

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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 13:48:48 -0500
From: Michael Borum (iceblink@TIAC.NET)
Subject: Re: Secret Curve?


Well, are there any liner notes, record label references, etc???  Who did
the artwork?  The font thing would be a crazy coincidence if it were not
Dean and Toni.

This may be the thing Dean did after Curve took a break.  Toni had mentioned
that he was "off to make flying saucer music".  But nothing ever came of it
that I know of...

It is interesting that, if this is the same band, they've never mentioned
this recording.

Mike
iceblink@tiac.net

At 10:30 AM 12/12/96 -0500, you wrote:
>
>>has anyone heard of a Curve album called _Clearbury Ring_? It's a full-length
>>100% legitimate release, but it's almost completely 'forgotten'. it's their
>>experimental "ambient" album - inspired by the 'magick' of the English
>>countryside. i just tracked a copy down. will give a report (if the music is
>>worth it...) once it arrives.
>
>You're the first person I've ever heard mention it.  I found one copy in a
>store, bought it, and simply don't understand it.  It sounds nothing like
>Curve.  Not that it's bad, just completely different: no vocals, no heavy
>beats, thinner textures.  I would question whether it's the same Curve
>except that the band name is clearly in the same font.
>
>I found it during the period when the band was broken up.  Do you know when
>it was recorded?
>
>John McIntyre
>Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept
>Michigan State University
>mcintyre@pa.msu.edu
>
>

Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 09:20:56 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Bleach / Xtian bands


Michael Borum wrote:
>IMO, their later work was by far their best.  EPs like "Hard" and "Fast"
>were excellent, and definitely showed more guitar-playing ability than did
>previous work.  I've been trying to get my hands on "Hard" and "Fast" for
>some time, but they're pretty tough to find.

I used to have "Hard" -- it was a big dissapointment to me, I didn't
think the songs really went anywhere, they didn't have the spark of the
earlier material. I never did see or hear "Fast".

>>The
>>>immediate impression I got was that they're another one of these
>>>contemporary Christian acts that tries to disguise themselves behind
>>>various shoegazer cliches.
>
>Is this a common problem?  I don't think I've ever encountered such a
>band--unless of course you're referring to bands like The Ocean Blue and The
>Innocence Mission--but I wouldn't say they were contemporary Christian acts
>by a long shot, though.

There used to be an Xtian-Alternative show on one of the local college
stations that I'd listen to sometimes on my way home from work. Mostly to
play "pick the influence" (hey, 90% of these bands made the Rose
Chronicles sound positively original by comparison) and gawk at the
lyrics. There was one particularly lame song called "It's Cool To Be A
Virgin" that sang about not polluting your body. Guess the singer had
some unresolved issues regarding sex that he needed to work out through
his music.

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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 09:05:10 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Unrest/Curve


Gil wrote:
>does everyone realize that the Guernica version of _Imperial ffrr_ is much
>longer than the US Matador/No.6 reissue?

Um, the Teenbeat/No.6 version was the original. The Guernica release came
later.

>>>  Oh, and I wasn't impressed with Insides at all.
>
>they have the respect and approval of the deities in Bark Psychosis.
>that's enough for me. :)

I appreciate Insides in theory but in practice most "Euphoria" bores me
to death -- the singing is all so endlessly repetitive. (Repetitive in a
bad way, as opposed to the good repetition of most of the ambient/drone
stuff I annoy my co-workers with.) This is exactly the same problem I
have with HNIA -- I dug out my old vinyl copy of "Livonia" and tried to
listen to it again, but those colorless sopranos repeating the same
melodies over and over and over gave me the creeps.

>has anyone heard of a Curve album called _Clearbury Ring_? It's a full-length
>100% legitimate release, but it's almost completely 'forgotten'. it's their
>experimental "ambient" album - inspired by the 'magick' of the English
>countryside.

This sounds provocative. You must review this for us unwashed masses.

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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 03:04:52 -0500
From: "Blue Bell's Knoll" (BluBelKnol@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: air miami


In a message dated 96-12-12 02:59:14 EST, you write:

<<  Speaking of Air Miami,   ... I put it on and I can't stop listening to
the damn thing!!  Over and over, I've got World Cup Fever

well you should also definitely get the EP available "Fuck You Tiger"... the
song "Warm Miami Way" is absolutely fabulous~

<< So what did they do after that, and what does it sound like?  Is there any
more
 Air Miami to be had, and how does it compare to _Me, Me, Me_?

Well in addition to the above mentioned ep, I do believe there is a 2nd EP
that I've had trouble tracking down...a 2nd full-length LP in the works,
which from what I hear is to be released solely on Teenbeat, and will have no
ties to 4AD (the reasons for which I'm not sure)  There also some "home"
(demo) tapes listed in the liner notes of "Me Me Me" which are very few and
far between.

<< And finally, I've heard that Mark is now in something called Olympic
 Death Squad, and now that it's been resolved that it is not about
 Atlanta I would like to know if anything has been recorded under that
 moniker, how it compares with earlier stuff, who's in it, etc etc.

Mark did release a CD under the alter-ego of Olympic Death Squad (self titled
LP)..on the back sleeve it says "Recorded during a snow storm in the
Letstrain Romm on Wilson"...and it is a live performance by golly.  A very
good one at that.  Traditional Unrest/Air Miami undertones can be heard from
what I remember (haven't listened to it in 4-5 months) and from what I
remember, I liked very much.  A bit more "noisy" than Air Miami.  I can write
a more detailed review in the coming days once I give it another listen.  But
it is well worth the purchase.

 <>

On the other had I like Insides very much..although not too impressed with
the Clearskin EP (except of course for the artwork!) I thought Euphoria was
brilliant.  Those who enjoy Insides will also like Earwig (pre-Insides stuff)

~blu

Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 09:38:29 -0600
From: Jason Marc Morehead (00161068@BIGRED.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Christian Bands?

              at Dec 12, 96 07:10:37 am

>
> I have heard a few good Christian bands when the artists ignore the message
> and concentrate on the music:  Eva O., Human Drama (that's what I heard and
> lyrics support it), Eventide, and heard some Projekt bands were religious
> (Jewish and Christian).  I do have some things to say about the following
> bands though.

here are a few others....

starflyer 59
     their first album was amazing.  thick guitars and dreamy vocals.
     heavily influenced by mbv.  their newer stuff is less spacey and
     focuses more on rock aspect, but they do have some amazing stuff.
     their newest album, "gold", is part Jesus and mary chain, part
     beach boys, part low, and part sonic youth.  i saw them live this
     summer and they were wonderful.

luxury
     very much like the smiths.  great pop tunes and you'd swear the
     singer was morrissey.  their new album, "the latest and the
     greatest" is phenomenal.

driver eight
     you can tell they're heavily influenced by catherine wheel.  some
     of the guitar parts really reminded me of "ferment."  good pop
     songwriting, although the production on their album "watermelon"
     was a little too thin, imo.

the lassie foundation
     i raved about this one a little while ago, and i still encourage
     anyone to pick this one up.  my bloody valentine meets the beach
     boys, with a little verve thrown in for good measure.

fold zandura
     these guys used to be mortal, a Christian industrial band, but
     they changed directions and now play great noise-pop stuff.  some of
     it reminds me of lush, other parts remind me of the cocteau twins.
     it's pretty heavy stuff, but quite good nonetheless.

morella's forest
     their first two releases were very similar to a fuzzier lush.  i
     haven't heard all of their new album, "ultraphonic hiss", but it's
     supposed to be much poppier and less ethereal.

>  Velour 100 - Female vocals over gentle musiks and fully produced by Warren
>  Defever of HNIA fame. Their album "Fall Sounds" is great as the second side
>  of my Low "The Curtain Hits the Cast" cassette.
>
> Wish I could find this album.

you might try a Christian bookstore.  or you can order directly from
their label, tooth and nail(www.toothandnail.com).  starflyer 59,
luxury, driver eight, and morella's forest are also on tooth and nail.
btw, i saw velour 100 in concert this summer.  if they ever come to
your area, go see them.  they put on an incredible show.  trey's also
a really nice guy.

>  The Innocence Mission - You MUST see them in concert.
>
> They are cool.

check out over the rhine.  their stuff is pretty good and they write
some of the most poignant, poetic lyrics i've heard.

if you want any more information, album reviews, etc. feel free to
write me.

jason


Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 10:00:16 +0000
From: Pedro Blasco Onsurbe (pedro@gesein.es)
Subject: Spain


This is a critique that apperared on a Spanish Review, called Rock De
Lux, about the only record by Spain. I translate it to English.

<<
SPAIN - "The Blue Moods of Spain" (RESTLESS-CAROLINE ESPA=D1A)

According to the sleeve, it could be one of those records,
so cool, by Blue Note. According to the name, Spain, you could
think of a band of gringos dedicated to revisit latin sounds.
Nor one neither other; if you look at the credits you see it is
a quartet whose leader is Josh Harden, son of Charlie Harden,
a reputated bassoon player, omnipresent in the jazz sceene.
But this is not another case of a son of a famous trying to
emulate his father; the case of Josh is most like Jeff Buckley's,
though he hides behind the name of Spain. He is the author of nine
long and melancholic songs, and he only receives a little help form
his family in "World of Blue", where Petra and Tanya Haden play violin
and cello and sing. Those 14 minutes and the general feeling of the
record help us to understand the admiration that Josh feels on Mark
Kozalek (Red House Painters). Blue is the colour that prevails, sad,
langid and evanescent like the smoke that feels the image of the
sleeve. Dramatic music, slow, "Spiritual", the way the solemn prayer
that closes the album, with a church organ and a continuous invocation
to Jesus. Real contemporary gospel. The sensation of frailty that
inspires "It's so true" revisit the spirit of Nick Drake; "Ten nights"
touch the heart with a musical minimalism to the beat of a tambourine.
It is untitled blues -"Untitled 1"- but with a shining soul; "Ray of
Light" takes the blues to the domain of Chet Baker, the absolute king
of blue mood, with the trumpet of Larry Cady. They are songs that need
the time thay take; they are played with tha tense calm of a western
narrated in a dusk tone with the exquisite voice of Josh. Addictive
songs that, just like the heavy smoke of marijuana, penetrate little
by little very deep inside, until they modify perception. But the
sweet drunkeness of Spain is not artificial: it is more a purgatory to
atone for loneliness. RAMON SURIO. RDL January 96.
>>

After this, the same review has published critiques of shows of
Spain, in which, in spite of the recognised quality of the songs, it
says that the players have achieved a level of selfpleasing
instrumental technique that put them be dangerously close to
Dire Straits. I don't say yes or not, I only say I like the record,
though it is not one of my favourites.

Bye.

Pedro
************************************
"Oh, Jesus, estoy viendo la luz,
 Oh, Jesus, estoy viendo tu luz,
 Oh, Jesus, estoy viendo la luz,
 La luz de la bombilla de 100 watios"
*********************** SURFIN' BICHOS


Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 14:07:24 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: GUS 3


Believe it or not but there's a third Gus Gus promo twelve inch out there...

GUS 3






Emiel Efdee
...
the Netherlands, December 13, 1996
... efdee@luna.nl
... http://www.luna.nl/~efdee

Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 06:41:54 -0500
From: superbacana (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Low / Xtian bands


>Velour 100 - Female vocals over gentle musiks and fully produced by Warren
>Defever of HNIA fame. Their album "Fall Sounds" is great as the second side
>of my Low "The Curtain Hits the Cast" cassette.

Speaking of Low, 2/3 of them (Alan the singer/guitarist and Mimi the
drummer) are Mormons.

Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 05:29:54 EST
From: Jeremy L Orr (j.orr@JUNO.COM)
Subject: FSOL ISDN ????


One of my favorite records stores here in the DFW area has a copy of ISDN
like I've never seen before.  It's made in the US, released by
Astralwerks (I think the sticker said it was limited to 10000), but it
comes in a fold-out paper sleeve (black on the outside), and has a
slightly different track listing from the all-white general-issue that I
have.  I know it was first released (in a limited number) in the UK with
a different track listing, but I wasn't aware of any similar release in
the US.

SO...my question is: does anyone know if this first US pressing is
IDENTICAL to the first UK pressing?  Also, is it rare?  They're only
asking $14.99 so I might buy it for the hell of it.

---Jeremy 

"...faded hand to mouth as catalyst..."


Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 09:00:06 -0500
From: Jason Bryant (Srilank@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Seach For New Music


>>Some of my favorite
>>bands are Cocteau Twins, MBV, Slowdive, Lush, HMIA. Can anyone suggest
>>some other bands (in the realm of etheral,shoegazing, ambient) that
>>they like.

Try Julee Cruise.  Airy vox with a palette of film noir & atmospheric
backdrop musical accompaniment provided by Badalemanti and David Lynch.

>   Talk Talk "Laughing Stock" (if you like Slowdive's "Pygmalion") *****
>    Bark Psychosis "Hex" (ditto) *****
>
>  Most of these are 1996 releases, so after you buy them you can feel in
>  touch with what today's youth are listening to :)

I couldn't possibly second recommend Talk Talk and Bark Psychosis' entries
above enough.  These are two of the most innovative and well produced pieces
of non-classifiable perfectly crafted works of art.  How's that for gushing?
 Listen to it once or 500 times, you'll still be utterly amazed :)

jason

continuous muffled piano note among the clouds of Inoue synth on the second
track is beautifully placed).

srilank@aol.com

"ah, this day is for giving your best regards to the music...instead of the
usual criticizing it to the point that you give the musician at hand a
complex they never had" - c. loretta in _them_


Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:04:28 -0500
From: "Blue Bell's Knoll" (BluBelKnol@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Christian Bands?


In a message dated 96-12-13 07:02:08 EST, you write:

<< >  Velour 100 - Female vocals over gentle musiks and fully produced by
Warren
 >  Defever of HNIA fame. Their album "Fall Sounds" is great as the second
side
 >  of my Low "The Curtain Hits the Cast" cassette.
 >
 > Wish I could find this album.

 you might try a Christian bookstore.  or you can order directly from
 their label, tooth and nail(www.toothandnail.com).  starflyer 59,
 luxury, driver eight, and morella's forest are also on tooth and nail.
 btw, i saw velour 100 in concert this summer.  if they ever come to
 your area, go see them.  they put on an incredible show.  trey's also
 a really nice guy.
  >>

Trey also doesn't mind if you contact him directly for velour100 stuff if you
have trouble finding it.  Please note that this address is for velour100
ONLY, and not HisNameIsAlive, and I know this address has been posted
publicly before, so I'll post it again.  Contact Trey at:  velour100@aol.com
  I'm not quite sure of current pricing, be sure to ask Trey when you write.
 Also note that in addition to the LP "Fall Sounds" there was an EP entitled
"[the rainwater e.p.]" which was limited to 200 copies...of which I own #199
so you might have to resort to used record shops or posting a want ad here on
the list.   good luck~

~blu


Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 10:06:36 -0600
From: Chad Dorton (slr4s@CC.USU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Low / Xtian bands


On Fri, 13 Dec 1996, superbacana wrote:

> >Velour 100 - Female vocals over gentle musiks and fully produced by Warren
> >Defever of HNIA fame. Their album "Fall Sounds" is great as the second side
> >of my Low "The Curtain Hits the Cast" cassette.
>
> Speaking of Low, 2/3 of them (Alan the singer/guitarist and Mimi the
> drummer) are Mormons.
>

        Yeah, I figured they probably were.  A friend on mine actually want to
college with them at BYU many years ago (this was in the mid-eighties I
think).  I think he actually played music with them at one point...

Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 08:55:56 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Pixies reference [Re: Deal Of A Century]


>Kim Deal trivia

OK, I'll counter with a Pixies/Frank Black reference. There's some new
group called Bloodhound Gang who have a pretty funny rock/folk/rap type
song I've heard on the radio (the one that starts "The roof is on
fire...") that includes the verse:

This hardcore gangsta image really takes a lot of practice
'Cause I'm not black like Barry White, I'm white like Frank Black is
So if man is five and the devil is six I guess that makes me seven
This honky's gone to heaven...

This just slays me, especially the incredibly contrived rhyme. Part of it
is the singer's totally deadpan voice. And anything that namedrops Barry
White is koool in my book.

__________          ___________________          ________________________
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                                                 jens@mooseyard.com [play]

      Goodnight stars   Goodnight air   Goodnight noises everywhere
                                            _____________________________
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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 12:29:58 -0500
From: Cassnyc@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: spain


there's one album out called "the blue moods of spain" on restless.  but if
you can find it, get the import which includes a second disk featuring 4
tracks from a live radio broadcast including very "spainish" versions of kurt
weill/maxwell anderson's september song, and willie nelson's funny how time
slips away.

a second lp, on verve it think, is due in stores any minute now...

Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 12:04:13 PST
From: Tom Weibrecht (tweibrecht@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: Seach For New Music -Reply


id have to add loop guru, sussan deiheim, hector zazou, and anything by bill las
ell...
tom w
On Thu, 12 Dec 1996 09:18:29 -0800 "Dell Bleekman (remote)"
 writes:
>Michael Ellis writes: "Can anyone suggest some other bands (in the
>realm of etheral,shoegazing, ambient) that they like."
>
>Two non-4AD artists come to mind:
>- the blue nile
>- jane siberry
>
>The Blue Nile, with only three albums to their name, is a wonderful,
>dreamy, and textured Scottish trio. Jane Siberry is an
>underappreciated canadian artist with one of the strongest albums to
>come out in years ("when I was a boy").
>

Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 10:58:24 -0600
From: Natty Gnat (ersatz@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Top N in progress


By popular demand, here's the preliminary Ersatz favorites from 1996.
It's been a weak year, musically, as I've had relatively little
difficulty paring it down to the top 10.

Hallucinogen - Twisted   (UK Dragonfly)
  - exceptional psychedelic trance techno.
Third Eye Foundation - Semtex   (UK Linda's Strange Vacation)
  - FSA cohort does jungle/Seefeel
Homler, Waegeman, Fajt - Macaronic Sines   (Dutch Low)
  - a happy Diamanda meets the "Big Science" backing band.
Twilight Circus - Other Worlds of Dub (Dutch M)
  - muffled arabesques meet spliffed roots dub by LPD bassist.
Perfume Tree - A Lifetime Away   (US World Domination)
  - Celtic siren trip-hop?  Like Seefeel or Lush in spots.
Possession - African Dub   (US SubMeta)
  - Laswell does haunting Ituri pygmy dub.
Nearly God - Nearly God   (US Island
  - Tricky does Swans?
Cranes - The Tragedy of Orestes and Elektra
  - "Wings of Joy" orchestration, spoken (en francais) Sartre.
Mojave 3 - Ask Me Tomorrow   (US 4AD)
  - the former Slowdive does Cowboy Junkies doing Leonard Cohen.
Loveliescrushing - Xuvetyn   (US Projekt)
  - 4-track orchestral ambient MBV


In the interest of exposing my prejudices, here were my faves from 1995.
1) Elysium - Glisten, 2) Natacha Atlas - Diaspora,
3) Vanessa Daou - Zipless, 4) O Yuki Conjugate - Equator,
5) Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan - Revelation, 6) Tricky - Maxinquaye,
7) Massive Attack vs the Mad Professor -  No Protection,
7) Slowdive - Pygmalion, 9) Twilight Circus - In Dub Vol 1,
10) Autechre - Tri Repetae++

I'm generally dependant opon the many other year-end lists and polls to
provide new avenues of discovery.  Keep them coming.

D.S. Roy aka ersatz@hal-pc.org

Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers - Picasso


Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 13:28:16 -0500
From: jawolfe (jawolfe@INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Mud & Cookies


I didn't like Milk and Kisses either, sorry guys.

Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 12:32:43 PST
From: Tom Weibrecht (tweibrecht@JUNO.COM)
Subject: [Fwd: books for kids]


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Subject: books for kids


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one
per person.)

Send mail to

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and just say something nice like "Please give lots of books to children's
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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 13:29:43 -0500
From: jawolfe (jawolfe@INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Christian Bands


On Thu, 12 Dec 1996, Jason Marc Morehead wrote:

> >
>> i've read that tess wiley from phantasmic, sydney from morella's
> forest, and karin oliver from hnia will share vocal duties on the next
> velour 100 album.  all three have beautiful voices, so it will
> probably be wonderful.
>
> jason
>
Good I can't wait to hear it.


Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 13:29:11 -0600
From: Jason Marc Morehead (00161068@BIGRED.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Christian Bands?

              Knoll" at Dec 13, 96 11:04:28 am

>
> In a message dated 96-12-13 07:02:08 EST, you write:
>
> Trey also doesn't mind if you contact him directly for velour100 stuff if you
> have trouble finding it.  Please note that this address is for velour100
> ONLY, and not HisNameIsAlive, and I know this address has been posted
> publicly before, so I'll post it again.  Contact Trey at:  velour100@aol.com
>   I'm not quite sure of current pricing, be sure to ask Trey when you write.
>  Also note that in addition to the LP "Fall Sounds" there was an EP entitled
> "[the rainwater e.p.]" which was limited to 200 copies...of which I own #199
> so you might have to resort to used record shops or posting a want ad here on
> the list.   good luck~
>
> ~blu
>

"the rainwater e.p." is being rereleased on cd by tooth and nail.
it's scheduled for a february release.  if you liked "fall sounds,"
you'll dig the e.p.  the new album is scheduled for next year, as is
the new starflyer 59 album, "americana".

jason

Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 10:21:28 -0800
From: nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: tis the season for top tens


In no particular order, these are the albums
that meant the most to me in 1996:

Rollerskate Skinny - Horsedrawn Wishes
An album hasn't floored me this much since Dogbowl's
masterpiece Flan or HNIA's Home Is In Your Head. THE
most unusuallly twisted and delightful pop I have
ever heard.

Scenic - Acquatica
This desert band returns with more variety and some
real honest-to-goodness popsongs up their sleeves, as well
as the more moody / piercing / droning instrumentals
they've become known for. The song "All Fish Go To Heaven"
is my pick for the year's best song.

Swirlies - They Spent Their Wild And Youthful Days In The
           Glittering World Of The Salons
(I hope I got the title right...)
They just get better and better with each release. You see, I have
a thing for twisted pop, and this is what they do so very well.
Their live shows are to die for.

Chimera - Earth Loop
Dreamy pop + female vox -> Brant likes it.

Cocteau Twins - Milk And Kisses
Let's face it. They're never going to do another
Treasure or Blue Bell Knoll, but I like this one just fine.
They're still got it.

Half String - A Fascination With Heights
Their long-awaited album debut, gliding the whole way.

Faye Wong - Impatience
In which Ms. Wong out-Cocteaus the Cocteau Twins.

His Name Is Alive - Stars On ESP
Ever-changing, but still remaining unique, challenging,
and fun.

Love Spirals Downwards - Ever
A wonderful, different album from Ryan and Suzanne.

The Sugarplastic - Bang! The Earth Is Round
With XTC seemingly DOA (or at least MIA) these days, who ya gonna
call for quirky/brainy pop? Why, The Sugarplastic, of course!

---------------
Best concert

Dead Can Dance, by far. I get shivers just thinking about it.

---------------
Biggest Disappointments

Lycia's new album, which doesn't approach the raptures
of Burning Circle.

The Boo Radleys' C'mon Kids. I don't know if this is out yet,
but basically, they've chosen to emulate Oasis. The jury's
still out, though, and it might get better.

The fact that Alison's Halo STILL haven't released anything...

I hate to say it, but Virginia Astley didn't wow me as much
with Had I The Heavens, but she's still my idol even so. Also, she was
supposed to contact us for an interview, but we're still
waiting.

Brant

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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 15:07:46 EST
From: "C.K. Coney" (violaine@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Harold Budd Recommendations


I remember there was a Harold Budd thread recently, but I don't remember
if there was mention of the following two recordings:

Glyph (with Hector Zazou) or Luxa (the latter with the oddly-titled
"Butterflies with Tits").

Does anyone on this list have either of these and recommend it? Also, do
either of these projects involve any members of Cocteau Twins?

Thanks,

Carol Coney


Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 16:00:19 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Low / Xtian bands


In a message dated 96-12-13 09:24:40 EST, you write:

<< Speaking of Low, 2/3 of them (Alan the singer/guitarist and Mimi the
 drummer) are Mormons. >>
Oh shit.  I used to love Low!!!  Just joking--just an excommunicated Mormon
speaking now.


Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 16:30:42 -0500
From: Kelli-Jeanne Drum (Noisegirly@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Pixies reference [Re: Deal Of A Century]


In a message dated 96-12-13 13:12:10 EST, jens@MOOSEYARD.COM (Jens Alfke)

>  'Cause I'm not black like Barry White, I'm white like Frank Black is
>  So if man is five and the devil is six I guess that makes me seven
>  This honky's gone to heaven...

  now if they would just get rid of that obnoxious chorus...

  let the muthaf*cka burn,
  snowangel

Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 16:28:17 -0500
From: Kelli-Jeanne Drum (Noisegirly@AOL.COM)
Subject: velour - 1st ep addendum


  first & last time i wrote the velour e-mail addy inquiring about this ep,
  he said i could still snatch a copy from them directly. that was a few
  months ago, so things may have changed since then. he also mentioned that i
  could just wait for Tooth & Nail to rerelease it on cd w/better production
  and a new track or two.....again, things may have changed concerning
that...


  can't find Santa & The Three Bears on ANY tv station so far,
  snowangel


Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 13:55:00 -0800
From: "C. Kemnitz" (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Christian Bands?


> "the rainwater e.p." is being rereleased on cd by tooth and nail.
> it's scheduled for a february release.  if you liked "fall sounds,"
> you'll dig the e.p.  the new album is scheduled for next year, as is
> the new starflyer 59 album, "americana".

Alright.  I'm looking forward to that EP.  Will Amon be on the new album
next year or will this have vocals by the previously mentioned guests?  I
really liked Amon's vox, it was very beautiful and down to earth at the
same time.

-cz

Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 13:56:16 -0800
From: nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: meteors / new grape


As a recent Astronomy PhD recipient I feel it's
my duty to inform you of the yearly occurrence of
the Geminid meteor shower. It's currently going on,
having ramped up last night (Thursday) and it should
last throughout tonight (Friday). Seeing it just requires
finding a dark site and looking up. Before too long,
you should see something streak across the sky, and it
should average out to once a minute or two. Look in any
part of the sky, with a slight preference to the east,
and as for all meteor showers, after local midnight is best.
Even in the middle of Los Angeles, a couple years ago I
was astonished how many I could still see, so give it a
try and you might be surprised.

Back to the music, and in particular the New Grape
tape from Time Stereo. A long while ago, Noisegirl
(aka. snowangel, k-j, etc.) highly recommended it,
and that was good enough for me. I just got it recently
and I too would say that it's pretty remarkable. I think
the catalog says something along the lines of "noise + girl",
which is accurate, if not too helpful. This probably isn't
news to most of you, but the girl is Dara of "Library Girl"
fame, and a sample from the tape is on the Universal Frequencies
EP (it's that distorted carousel-type thing). It's sure to bug the
hell out of most people with its low-fi washings of distortion
and stuttered samples, but noise-fans will immediately embrace it.
The only thing I can say against it, and this goes for all Time
Stereo releases, is that it's on a TDK D90 cassette.
*Normal Bias*. Maybe I'm just an audio snob, and maybe it
wouldn't make that much difference considering the source material,
but using normal bias cassettes for music has always struck me as being
akin to writing a job resume in crayon, or printing it out on a dot
matrix printer. I'd be happy to give Time Stereo an extra buck or two
to have them use chrome tapes.

Brant

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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 17:46:22 EST
From: "C.K. Coney" (violaine@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: Mud & Cookies


On Thu, 12 Dec 1996 16:25:27 EST Jeremy L Orr  writes:
>---from Matt Greer (quoting...Jens?):
>
>> > Biggest disappointments: probably either the Cocteau Twins' "Milk
>&
>> > Kisses" or Tortoise's "Millions Now Living Will Never Die". Not
>that I
>> > actively dislike either one, they just didn't at all live up to
>the ultrahype.
>
>[Was there much hype for _M&K_?  I've been sorta out of the loop this
>year...I never even saw a video from the album.]

Yeah, I was struck by this comment as well. I never see ANY hype about
CT's efforts, much less for Milk & Kisses.

>
>First, I love "Violaine".  I even think it's one of the best songs
>they've ever done

I agree with you...it's one of their very best songs on M & K and also on
Otherness, which I love even more than M & K.

>Also, I think it's funny that people that say they like the album
>always point to "Seekers Who Are Lovers" as being one of their
>favorite tracks. It seems like basically, this album, along with
>_FCC_, divides the camp into those who can handle cheese and those who
>can't.

Well, if you want to call 4CC & M & K "cheese" (I certainly wouldn't use
that term)...well, count me in then as one who likes cheese...and
milk...and kisses!

Carol Coney


Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 18:49:46 -0500
From: Ryan Weisgerber (PaleGoth@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: meteors / new grape


unsuscribe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   stop!!!!!!!!! sending me shit!!!!!! i am
sick of it all!!!!!1


Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 19:22:34 EST
From: "C.K. Coney" (violaine@JUNO.COM)
Subject: More Top Ten Tally-in'


Here are my top ten, not necessarily in order but pretty darn close...

Cocteau Twins - Milk & Kisses
The Changelings (self-titled debut; from Atlanta)
His Name Is Alive - Stars on E.S.P.
Rasputina - Thanks for the Ether
Faye Wong - Impatience
B Sharp Jazz Quartet - Searching for the One
D.J. Spooky - Songs of a Dead Dreamer
Dead Can Dance - Spiritchaser
Seely - Julie Only
Cibo Matto - Viva! La Woman

Of course, stuck in suburban Atlanta I'm not exposed to much
break-through stuff. But  all your lists will sure help, so please keep
'em up!

Carol Coney

Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 18:40:10 -0500
From: JRR TOLKIEN (GGNL44A@PRODIGY.COM)
Subject: Milk & Kisses


I'm not going to try to point out why anyone should like it or even
why I absolutely love it, but I do really like Milk & Kisses all the
way through. I truly feel sorry for all that can't truly enjoy the
beauty that was created on this album. Cheese? As far as I'm
concerned, I really don't know what you mean by cheese. I guess I'm
just too much in love with music in general to seriously over-analyze
anything. Everytime I hear a new album put out by one of my old
favorites (I own most of the Cocteau Twins Discog), even if I want to,
 I have a hard time comparing it with anything else they have ever
done. I really don't think it is ever fair to the artist to compare
one piece of art they produced with another totally different piece
of art they made at one time or the other. Just to remind you all,
the one constant is change. If you don't understand how that ties in
with my point, don't even bother asking. For those that have rigid
minds that hardly change with the times, break out and enjoy the
beauty that is being made around you with music. There is a lot out
there. It is one of the only truly beautiful things to look forward
to in this world of constant strife.
      Ryan (GGNL44A@Prodigy.com)

Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 17:13:21 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Mud & Cookies


>Yeah, I was struck by this comment as well. I never see ANY hype about
>CT's efforts, much less for Milk & Kisses.

OK, OK, guess I have to respond & clarify. I was referring to the
ultrahype on _this_ list (and on the late Cocteau Twins list, for the few
months I was on it.) I don't pay much attention to the mainstream media
-- last time I saw a video was about six years ago. Well, I guess I do
listen to the local commercial Modern Rock stations sometimes when all
four of the local college stations are playing crap (which happens more
often than you'd like to imagine.)


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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 17:51:15 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Milk & Kisses


Ryan writes:
>I have a hard time comparing it with anything else they have ever
>done. I really don't think it is ever fair to the artist to compare
>one piece of art they produced with another totally different piece
>of art they made at one time or the other. Just to remind you all,
>the one constant is change.

This argument comes up every time we discuss the decline and fall of the
Cocteau Twins. Change isn't bad. But it's possible for groups to change
in negative ways, in fact this happens all the time. Most people have a
finite number of ideas and run out of steam after a while.

I'm not just saying that "Compared with 'Head Over Heels', 'Milk and
Kisses' is a weak album". I'm also saying that I find it a weak album
period, just considered on its merits as a piece of music. You are
welcome to have your own opinion, I'm not flaming you. If I'd heard "M&K"
without knowing who it was by, I certainly wouldn't have bought it.

I'd almost go so far as to say that part of the Cocteau Twins' problem is
that they haven't changed _enough_, or at least not in the right ways.
They're still using the same techniques they've been since, oh, 1987, it
just gets more threadbare every time. ("Otherness" was an interesting
change, and I wish the band had absorbed more of the ideas that Mark
Clifford demonstrated on that EP.)

And there are plenty of other bands mining the same ideas, and I'm pretty
tired of all of them (OK, of the ones that I've heard.) It's not the '80s
anymore, dreampop is dead, let's do something new. Go listen to Amp or
Scala or Seely or Underworld or Labradford...

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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 22:11:17 EST
From: Matthew T DeBellis (loomer5@JUNO.COM)
Subject: pure-impure


can someone tell me how to subsribe to this list please?  thanks...


matt

and since w're collecting top tens:


in no particular order:

Throwing Muses - Limbo
His Name Is Alive - Stars on E.S.P.
Brainiac - Hissing Prigs in Static Couture
Make*Up - Destination Love: Live at Cold Rice!
Lilys - Better can't make your life Better
Swirlies - They Spent Their Wild Youthful Days...
Lois - Infinity Plus
Cardigans - Life (if that's 1995, then the newest one...)
Wedding Present - Saturnalia
Jon Spencer Blues Explosion - Now I got Worry


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>Yeah, I was struck by this comment as well. I never see ANY hype about
>CT's efforts, much less for Milk & Kisses.

OK, OK, guess I have to respond & clarify. I was referring to the
ultrahype on _this_ list (and on the late Cocteau Twins list, for the few
months I was on it.) I don't pay much attention to the mainstream media
-- last time I saw a video was about six years ago. Well, I guess I do
listen to the local commercial Modern Rock stations sometimes when all
four of the local college stations are playing crap (which happens more
often than you'd like to imagine.)


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                                                 jens@mooseyard.com [play]

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                                            _____________________________
                                            http://www.mooseyard.com/Jens/
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Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 11:00:00 EST
From: Cameron Webb (cameronw@CIDM.WH.SU.EDU.AU)
Subject: I'll give you a fiver


OK, since I'm fiercely patriotic here is my top five Australian
albums for 1996.

"Fear of girls": Bluebottle Kiss
A sensational album which has been generally overlooked, even in
Australia. Its a rather dark and intense record punctuated by a
couple of great "pop" songs.

"Horse stories": The Dirty Three
It'll be hard to ever capture the brilliance of The Dirty Three live
but their third album, as a whole, is easily their best. I'm not a
student of violin playing so I don't know how technically good Warren
Ellis is but it sounds fantastic to me and although praise is always
directed towards Warren I think its the drumming which really
makes the album.

This is my "pop-rock" album of the year. Great riffs and great
harmonies.

"Disappear Here": Glide
Another fantastic album. William Arthur writes some great pop
songs whose lyrics have a slightly darker edge to them.

"Still Life": The Paradise Motel


Cheers,
Cameron.

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Cameron Webb
Medical Entomology
Westmead Hospital/University of Sydney
WESTMEAD NSW 2145
(02) 9845 7548
cameronw@cidm.wh.su.edu.au
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