Subject: Re: Primitive Painters
Subject: Garlands, other CT, Ride, Miranda Sex Garden, Belly, Lush
Subject: Re: Primitive Painters
Subject: Re: Primitive Painters
Subject: Re: Primitive Painters
Subject: Re: Primitive Painters
Subject: Re: Primitive Painters
Subject: Gus Gus - polyester is...where?
Subject: Re: A Sex Kitten Lifestyle
Subject: Re: 'primitive painters'
Subject: Re: Primitive Painters
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 8 Dec 1996 to 9 Dec 1996
Subject: Re: Garlands, other CT, Ride, Miranda Sex Garden, Belly, Lush
Subject: Re: Garlands, other CT, Ride, Miranda Sex Garden, Belly, Lush
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Subject: new listserv software
Subject: Re: non CT Liz Fraser
Subject: Re: non CT Liz Fraser
Subject: Re: non CT Liz Fraser
Subject: Re: Garlands, other CT, Ride, Miranda Sex Garden, Belly, Lush
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Subject: Re: HNIA and red house painters
Subject: Re: Garlands, other CT, Ride, Miranda Sex Garden, Belly, Lu
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Subject: Freeloader EP
Subject: Re: Primitive Painters
Subject: Re: A Sex Kitten Lifestyle
Subject: Re: HNIA and red house painters
Subject: Re: Garlands, other CT, Ride, Miranda Sex Garden, Belly, Lu
Subject: Re: Primitive Painters
Subject: Re: Garlands, other CT, Ride, Miranda Sex Garden, Belly, Lu
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Subject: Re: Primitive Painters
Subject: Re: red hp + air miami (was 4AD-L Digest - 8 Dec 1996 to 9 Dec 1
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 00:49:07 +0000
Primitive painters? I know of a recent song off the Tishbite single called "Pri
itive Heart" but nothing having to do with painters. Anyone?
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 14:57:47 EST
Matt wrote:
>> Hi all, I'm fairly new to all these wonderfully cool bands that tend
to reside on the 4AD label, "thislisty" I guess is what they've been called.
Anyways, so far my favorite band in this area is the Cocteau Twins, and I
especially love Garlands. I'm wondering if anyone can point me to any other
bands that had a similar feel and sound that Garlands has,s
Hi Matt, I'm new too, I've been listening to CT for some years now,
love them, and all I have is the few I've been able to buy when I was
in Tokyo and whatever I see around here in Manila. I have to hunt
around to find thislisty around here. There are a few joints here
that will let you order any CD you want, as long as it's in print.
(expensive).
Some of my favorites include CT's "Heaven and Las Vegas", "Treasure",
"Tiny Dynamine + Echoes in a Shallow Bay" and "Blue Bell Knoll"
Some other albums/bands I like are Belly "Star", Lush, and Miranda Sex
Garden "Fairytales of Slavery". (<- boy, this one is extremely well
recorded - I use it to audition loudspeakers - I'm a semi-audiophile
on the side).
I also have this copy of a scratchy tape, and there are two songs I
like by Ride - one of them is "Coast is Clear". Anyone else know/like
this? I could never find a CD of them here.
Guys, I haven't heard Garlands. Is it significantly different from
the above CT albums?
- Jason ([email protected])
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 23:03:17 -0800
> Has anyone heard of the song "Primitive Painters"? Is it by CT?
It's a great song by Felt, featuring Elizabeth Fraser singing back-up vocals.
t h e m y s t e r y p a r a d e
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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 02:11:40 -0500
It's by the Felt, but features Liz Fraser on backing vox.
jeh
On Tue, 10 Dec 1996, Jason Cuadra wrote:
> Has anyone heard of the song "Primitive Painters"? Is it by CT?
>
> -Jason
>
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 02:39:19 -0500
In a message dated 96-12-09 22:42:44 EST, you write:
<< Has anyone heard of the song "Primitive Painters"? Is it by CT?
-Jason
>>
No, It's by a band called Felt. That particular song Liz did backing vocals
and was produced by Robin...hence the Cocteau-ish sounds. The rest of the
album is very good as well.
Still available in some good stores on CD as a matter of fact.
~blu
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 23:35:13 +0000
I found this:
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:30:52 PST
From: Ron Jost ([email protected])
Subject: Re: non-cocteau liz frazer vocals
> i am interested in collecting all liz frazer vocals on non-cocteau
> tracks. below is the list of all the tracks that i am aware of.
> if anyone has any comments or info, please share them w/ the rest of us:
>
> 1. this mortal coil--
> song to siren
> another day
> 16days, gathering dust
>
> 2. ian Mcculloch
> candleland
> heaven's gate
>
> 3. wolfgang press
> respect
> i am the crime
>
> 4. dif juzz
> love insane
>
> 5. Felt (one of my favorite bands)*************
> primitive painters
>
> 4. peace it-- be still
> the robin guthrie mix
>
> bahman
>
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 03:19:16 -0500
In a message dated 96-12-10 02:19:47 EST, you write:
<< Primitive painters? I know of a recent song off the Tishbite single
called "Primitive Heart" but nothing having to do with painters. Anyone?
>>
It is a song from Felt that CT was involved with--Liz on backing vocals and
Robin on guitar.
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 03:33:11 -0500
apologies if this has been discussed ad nauseum (i've been unsubbed for
awhile)
Is the Gus Gus ep released yet? ...and if not when is the release date?
jason
[email protected]
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 03:33:07 -0500
> Has anyone heard about when those Detox EP's are available? Or are they
> out now and I just didn't notice??
I know that Ear/Rational ([email protected]) has some for $8.75, however only
on vinyl.
jason
[email protected]
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 03:53:55 +0500
jason wrote...
>Has anyone heard of the song "Primitive Painters"? Is it by CT?
no, 'primitive painters' is by the band felt, but (i think, please correct
me if i'm wrong) has elizabeth fraser on backing vocals and was produced by
robin guthrie.
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 03:17:46 -0800
"primitive painters" is a song by felt.
it's on the album "ignite the seven cannons" which was released
with "the strange idols pattern & other short stories" on cherry red
records (bred65.)
liz frasier of the cocteau twins sang vocals. robin guthrie produced the
album.
brendan
[email protected]
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 11:17:19 -0000
>and about red house painters, from what ive gathered from other people's
>posts, it appears RHP is touring with them....ive never heard them before,
>what are they like? are they more of a noisy type 4ad band (like the pixies
>and breeders) or more mellow?
This is a joke, right?
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 16:53:19 +0000
>
> Guys, I haven't heard Garlands. Is it significantly different from
> the above CT albums?
Apart from the fact it'd their best, it's doomy, gloomy & fucking brilliant.
'Blind Dumb Deaf' is one of the most hypnotic resonating things I've
ever heard. The CD version is short but comes with some extra sessions
(courtesy of the mighty John Peel) and a couple of presumably
unreleased tracks at the end.........
Well worth inversting in.
Regards.
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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 12:38:21 -0500
You don't know what Garlands sounds like? Well, It's still wonderful CT
stuff, but it's my least favourite of their endeavours, a bit rough around
the edges - you can tell, however, that there's something definitely worth
having lurking in there - and if you get it on cd now, chances are you'll
find it with lots of extra tracks, which is always fun...
H.Murray
"I love that set of things to say..."
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 13:50:37 -0500
On Tue, 10 Dec 1996, Jason Cuadra wrote:
> I also have this copy of a scratchy tape, and there are two songs I
> like by Ride - one of them is "Coast is Clear". Anyone else know/like
> this? I could never find a CD of them here.
Are you sure the 'Coast Is Clear' you are referring to isn't by CURVE and
not RIDE
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 10:48:41 -0800
Sorry to announce this here but for obvious reasons I can't use the
correct forum, and there's a fair amount of overlap between this list and
pure-impure. The pure-impure list server is temporarily down and being
moved to new hardware, which is why that list is inactive. Please address
any questions to Jack (q.v.) not me, as he's the admin.
--Jens ([email protected])
spinoffs, and their sound is a tad like FSA but more ambient and swirly
with some hints of Seefeel. One of the tracks is in fact just like what
"Succour" _should_ have sounded like. Damn fine album and I'll be writing
a full review soon.
__________________________________
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 14:33:47 -0500
Liz is also on a Future Sound of London. Kool ambient techno!
also, didn't she do work on a Medicine album?
E
On Mon, 9 Dec 1996, VK wrote:
> I found this:
>
> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:30:52 PST
> From: Ron Jost ([email protected])
> Subject: Re: non-cocteau liz frazer vocals
>
>
> > i am interested in collecting all liz frazer vocals on non-cocteau
> > tracks. below is the list of all the tracks that i am aware of.
> > if anyone has any comments or info, please share them w/ the rest of us:
> >
> > 1. this mortal coil--
> > song to siren
> > another day
> > 16days, gathering dust
> >
> > 2. ian Mcculloch
> > candleland
> > heaven's gate
> >
> > 3. wolfgang press
> > respect
> > i am the crime
> >
> > 4. dif juzz
> > love insane
> >
> > 5. Felt (one of my favorite bands)*************
> > primitive painters
> >
> > 4. peace it-- be still
> > the robin guthrie mix
> >
> > bahman
> >
>
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 14:40:10 +0000
liz did the backup vocals for Time Baby 3 and Robin produced the track and playe
some guitar too, I think.
-ariel
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 12:03:26 -0800
Add these to the list:
Fuel
Butterfly Knife (from an otherwise quite mediocre EP)
Felt
The Day The Rain Came Down
(she's credited on the insert, and I believe you
can just barely hear her just doing an "oooooh"
sort of thing in the bits before Lawrence goes
on about the rain coming down)
Ian McCullough
(don't forget there are TWO versions of Candleland,
the one on the album, and the "second coming" version
on the EP/single)
Medicine
Time Baby III (on the Sounds Of Medicine EP)
Brant
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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 14:40:53 -0500
On Tue, 10 Dec 1996, heather murray wrote:
> You don't know what Garlands sounds like? Well, It's still wonderful CT
> stuff, but it's my least favourite of their endeavours, a bit rough around
> the edges - you can tell, however, that there's something definitely worth
> having lurking in there - and if you get it on cd now, chances are you'll
> find it with lots of extra tracks, which is always fun...
>
> H.Murray
>
> "I love that set of things to say..."
>
Garlands is one of my favorite CT. I wish they did a little more of this
stuff. Instead, they came out w/Head over Heals, boring as hell. However,
this did lead to much better things.
also, aren't the xtra tracks only on the 4AD uk version and not the US
release?
E
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 11:59:19 -0800
On Tue, 10 Dec 1996, heather murray wrote:
> You don't know what Garlands sounds like? Well, It's still wonderful CT
> stuff, but it's my least favourite of their endeavours, a bit rough around
> the edges - you can tell, however, that there's something definitely worth
> having lurking in there - and if you get it on cd now, chances are you'll
> find it with lots of extra tracks, which is always fun...
okay, a lot of you have been mentioning the extra Peel Session etc. tracks
on Garlands--and well you should--but, be forewarned that the US domestic
release does NOT have these extra tracks. I remember scrambling to find
the import copy just after they re-released all the albums domestically
because the re-realease didn't have the extra tracks. What a poor
marketing play.
-cz
some definite gems on there.
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 10:11:15 -0800
Jason Cuadra wrote:
> I also have this copy of a scratchy tape, and there are two songs I
> like by Ride - one of them is "Coast is Clear". Anyone else know/like
> this? I could never find a CD of them here.
"Coast Is Clear" is by Curve, not Ride. It has female vocals, loud
distorted guitar, grinding bass and a beatbox, right? If you like it, I
highly recommend Curve's "Pubic Fruit" album...
> Guys, I haven't heard Garlands. Is it significantly different from
> the above CT albums?
Oh my yes, you could say that. It's their first release (1982) and is
extremely dark, scary and noisy. The guitar is one continuous hail of
screeching feedback (bits of this sound can be heard on some of their
later recordings) and most of the melody is carried by the bass, a la Joy
Division. (They had a different bass player back then.) Liz's singing
isn't nearly as technically capable as later on after she had voice
lessons, but it's quite effective and the exaggerated half-swallowed
vibrato she uses matches the music very well. The lyrics are often
comprehensible, too. They are also using a more rudimentary beatbox with
a very tinny sound, which takes some getting used to but again fits
perfectly. The sound is fairly lo-fi compared to their later compulsive
technical perfection and you definitely won't be using it to test any
speakers. Nevertheless it's one of their best albums.
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Dead forest things are offered here, but I'm not..."
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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 16:29:16 EST
>yes believe is a single and i saw somewhere mentioned on this list that it
>is a remake of someone elses song (not sure exactly who....) ask around on
>the list again for more info.
Believe isn't a cover. It was written by Daniel Agust, Pall Gardarsson and
Sigurdur Kjartansson of Gus Gus.
- Dez
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 17:43:39 -0500
while this is alitlle bit off the current thread, whiel in my local cool
indie store here in elansing mich, i stumbled across a tape that has both
HNIA and red house painters, all it says is that, plus 93 and then 4AD
logo. it has three songs from a self titled red house painters albumn,
and four from his name is alive, it was only 450, so i bought it, anyone
have any idea what it is, anyone..
steve
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 06:00:00 MDT
Elizabeth wrote:
>Garlands is one of my favorite CT. I wish they did a little more of
>this stuff. Instead, they came out w/Head over Heals, boring as hell.
I'm wracking my brain but I can't seem to remember the name of the
band that Will Heggy joined after quiting CT. Anyone know? I had
the CD about ten years ago and someone stole it :-(
Anyhow, it is very musically similar to CT (especially the bass
lines) with a male singer. I remember thinking that they were really
great at the time, but maybe time will have proven me wrong?
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 15:10:04 -0800
Elizabeth Grove wrote:
>Garlands is one of my favorite CT. I wish they did a little more of this
>stuff. Instead, they came out w/Head over Heals, boring as hell. However,
>this did lead to much better things.
Each to his own -- Head Over Heels is my favorite Cocteau Twins release
of all and I don't see how one could be bored by it!
Before someone suggest a "Favorite CT album" poll, we did one a few years
ago. Anyone have the results handy?
>also, aren't the xtra tracks only on the 4AD uk version and not the US
>release?
Yup. None of the US Capitol releases of any of the albums have any extra
tracks. In the case of Garlands it is definitely worth the extra $$$ to
buy the UK 4AD CD.
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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 19:00:48 -0800
That new Throwing Muses single called "Freeloader" which comes out on
January 21st will in fact, be a strictly Throwing Music/Rykodisc
venture.
4AD themselves apparently do not have plans at this time to release the
new EP which has all new B-sides...
Jeff Keibel
Scarborough, ON
CANADA
[email protected]
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 08:28:33 +0800
> Primitive painters? I know of a recent song off the Tishbite single
> called "Primitive Heart" but nothing having to do with painters.
> Anyone?
Hmmm..."Primitive Painters" is a song by Felt...
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 19:38:30 -0500
Regarding the SCHEER 4 CD-
(Green Room) Sex Kitten was a track on Scheer's original Son Records disc for
"Wish You Were Dead", here re-recorded for your pleasure. Also note that the
song is known in its instrumental version as "Cannon" from the 4AD "Wish You
Were Dead" CD. Any way you put it, it's cool.
CJ
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 16:59:47 -0800
i think this is the promo tape that was given away to people in 1993 for
sending in a postcard to 4ad - in response to some advert. that was
running in alternative press, and maybe other places. all the tracks are
same as on the respective lps, although i think the version of the
dirteaters is from the uk lp, or maybe its the us lp...one or the other.
peter
On Tue, 10 Dec 1996, Steven Holmes wrote:
> while this is alitlle bit off the current thread, whiel in my local cool
> indie store here in elansing mich, i stumbled across a tape that has both
> HNIA and red house painters, all it says is that, plus 93 and then 4AD
> logo. it has three songs from a self titled red house painters albumn,
> and four from his name is alive, it was only 450, so i bought it, anyone
> have any idea what it is, anyone..
>
> steve
>
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 20:20:10 -0500
In a message dated 96-12-10 19:40:14 EST, you write:
<< I'm wracking my brain but I can't seem to remember the name of the
band that Will Heggy joined after quiting CT. Anyone know? I had
the CD about ten years ago and someone stole it :-(
Anyhow, it is very musically similar to CT (especially the bass
lines) with a male singer. I remember thinking that they were really
great at the time, but maybe time will have proven me wrong? >>
His band is Lowlife. I would suggest getting their greatest hits album, the
name of escapes me at the moment.
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 17:56:50 -0800
On Mon, 9 Dec 1996, VK wrote:
> >
> > 4. peace it-- be still
> > the robin guthrie mix
That's Peace Together... and it's gorgeous!
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 19:58:32 -0500
At 06:00 10/12/96 MDT, you wrote:
>I'm wracking my brain but I can't seem to remember the name of the
>band that Will Heggy joined after quiting CT. Anyone know? I had
>the CD about ten years ago and someone stole it :-(
Lowlife.
>Anyhow, it is very musically similar to CT (especially the bass
>lines) with a male singer. I remember thinking that they were really
>great at the time, but maybe time will have proven me wrong?
Not really. I can't quite think of what it reminds me of... I have their LP
"Gush", and the singer reminds me somewhat of Lawrence from Felt. The music
is something else entirely, but NOT Cocteau-like--not even in the Garlands
sense.
Mike
[email protected]
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 21:33:24 -0500
>Elizabeth wrote:
>
>>Garlands is one of my favorite CT. I wish they did a little more of
>>this stuff. Instead, they came out w/Head over Heals, boring as hell.
>
>I'm wracking my brain but I can't seem to remember the name of the
>band that Will Heggy joined after quiting CT. Anyone know? I had
>the CD about ten years ago and someone stole it :-(
That would be (i think) Low Life. Don't know who else was in the band tho.
John