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Subject: Re: Primitive Painters
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 00:49:07 +0000
From: John Doe (950573@UTB1.UTB.EDU)
Subject: Garlands, other CT, Ride, Miranda Sex Garden, Belly, Lush
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 14:57:47 EST
From: Jason Cuadra (jasoncuadra@ASTEC-ASIA.COM)
Subject: Re: Primitive Painters
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 23:03:17 -0800
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Re: Primitive Painters
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 02:11:40 -0500
From: Read Dawkins (jeheindl@AMHERST.EDU)
Subject: Re: Primitive Painters
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 02:39:19 -0500
From: "Blue Bell's Knoll" (BluBelKnol@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Primitive Painters
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:30:52 PST
From: VK (primitec@slip.net)
Subject: Re: Primitive Painters
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 03:19:16 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Gus Gus - polyester is...where?
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 03:33:11 -0500
From: Jason Bryant (Srilank@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: A Sex Kitten Lifestyle
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 03:33:07 -0500
From: Jason Bryant (Srilank@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: 'primitive painters'
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 03:53:55 +0500
From: susan marie mcgowan (sumcgowa@VT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Primitive Painters
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 03:17:46 -0800
From: "Brendan A. McCarthy" (ectomort@SLIP.NET)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 8 Dec 1996 to 9 Dec 1996
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 11:17:19 -0000
From: sstowell (sstowell@INCH.COM)
Subject: Re: Garlands, other CT, Ride, Miranda Sex Garden, Belly, Lush
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 16:53:19 +0000
From: kevin hankey (kevin@WEBMEDIA.COM)
Subject: Re: Garlands, other CT, Ride, Miranda Sex Garden, Belly, Lush
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 12:38:21 -0500
From: heather murray (s0071593@GBC.GBROWNC.ON.CA)
Subject: Re: Garlands, other CT, Ride
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 13:50:37 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: new listserv software
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 10:48:41 -0800
From: Jack Huynh, jack@novomedia.com
Subject: Re: non CT Liz Fraser
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 14:33:47 -0500
From: Elizabeth A Grove (egrove@IC.SUNYSB.EDU)
Subject: Re: non CT Liz Fraser
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 14:40:10 +0000
From: John Doe (950573@UTB1.UTB.EDU)
Subject: Re: non CT Liz Fraser
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 12:03:26 -0800
From: nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Re: Garlands, other CT, Ride, Miranda Sex Garden, Belly, Lush
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 14:40:53 -0500
From: Elizabeth A Grove (egrove@IC.SUNYSB.EDU)
Subject: Re: Garlands, other CT, Ride, Miranda Sex Garden, Belly, Lush
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 11:59:19 -0800
From: "C. Kemnitz" (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Garlands, other CT, Ride, Miranda Sex Garden, Belly, Lush
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 10:11:15 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: THE GUSGUSFUSS 'BELIEVE'
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 16:29:16 EST
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: HNIA and red house painters
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 17:43:39 -0500
From: Steven Holmes (sbholmes@ALPHA.DELTA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Garlands, other CT, Ride, Miranda Sex Garden, Belly, Lu
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 06:00:00 MDT
From: CARY P BRANDAL (brancary@LCS.ISU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Garlands, other CT
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 15:10:04 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Freeloader EP
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 19:00:48 -0800
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Primitive Painters
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 08:28:33 +0800
From: Lim May Lin Melissa (art50981@LEONIS.NUS.SG)
Subject: Re: A Sex Kitten Lifestyle
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 19:38:30 -0500
From: Creig Jacobson (CreigJ@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: HNIA and red house painters
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 16:59:47 -0800
From: Peter Repetti (repetti@NATURE.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Garlands, other CT, Ride, Miranda Sex Garden, Belly, Lu
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 20:20:10 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Primitive Painters
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 17:56:50 -0800
From: Strick9 (beswick@scf-fs.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Garlands, other CT, Ride, Miranda Sex Garden, Belly, Lu
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 19:58:32 -0500
From: Michael Borum (iceblink@TIAC.NET)
Subject: Re: Garlands, other CT, Ride, Miranda Sex Garden, Belly, Lu
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 21:33:24 -0500
From: Lobsterman (jojones@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU)
Subject: Re: Primitive Painters
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 17:55:43 -0800
From: Strick9 (beswick@scf-fs.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: red hp + air miami (was 4AD-L Digest - 8 Dec 1996 to 9 Dec 1
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 22:03:21 +0000
From: moran@hal-pc.org

Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 00:49:07 +0000
From: John Doe (950573@UTB1.UTB.EDU)
Subject: Re: Primitive Painters


Primitive painters?  I know of a recent song off the Tishbite single called "Pri
itive Heart" but nothing having to do with painters.  Anyone?

Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 14:57:47 EST
From: Jason Cuadra (jasoncuadra@ASTEC-ASIA.COM)
Subject: Garlands, other CT, Ride, Miranda Sex Garden, Belly, Lush


    Matt wrote:

        >> Hi all, I'm fairly new to all these wonderfully cool bands that tend
to reside on the 4AD label, "thislisty" I guess is what they've been called.
Anyways, so far my favorite band in this area is the Cocteau Twins, and I
especially love Garlands. I'm wondering if anyone can point me to any other
bands that had a similar feel and sound that Garlands has,s


     Hi Matt, I'm new too, I've been listening to CT for some years now,
     love them, and all I have is the few I've been able to buy when I was
     in Tokyo and whatever I see around here in Manila.  I have to hunt
     around to find thislisty around here.  There are a few joints here
     that will let you order any CD you want, as long as it's in print.
     (expensive).

     Some of my favorites include CT's "Heaven and Las Vegas", "Treasure",
     "Tiny Dynamine + Echoes in a Shallow Bay" and "Blue Bell Knoll"

     Some other albums/bands I like are Belly "Star", Lush, and Miranda Sex
     Garden "Fairytales of Slavery". (<- boy, this one is extremely well
     recorded - I use it to audition loudspeakers - I'm a semi-audiophile
     on the side).

     I also have this copy of a scratchy tape, and there are two songs I
     like by Ride - one of them is "Coast is Clear".  Anyone else know/like
     this?  I could never find a CD of them here.

     Guys, I haven't heard Garlands.  Is it significantly different from
     the above CT albums?

     - Jason (jasoncuadra@astec-asia.com)

Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 23:03:17 -0800
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Re: Primitive Painters


>     Has anyone heard of the song "Primitive Painters"?  Is it by CT?

It's a great song by Felt, featuring Elizabeth Fraser singing back-up vocals.

t h e   m y s t e r y   p a r a d e
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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 02:11:40 -0500
From: Read Dawkins (jeheindl@AMHERST.EDU)
Subject: Re: Primitive Painters


It's by the Felt, but features Liz Fraser on backing vox.

jeh

On Tue, 10 Dec 1996, Jason Cuadra wrote:

>      Has anyone heard of the song "Primitive Painters"?  Is it by CT?
>
>      -Jason
>

Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 02:39:19 -0500
From: "Blue Bell's Knoll" (BluBelKnol@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Primitive Painters


In a message dated 96-12-09 22:42:44 EST, you write:

<<      Has anyone heard of the song "Primitive Painters"?  Is it by CT?

      -Jason
  >>
No, It's by a band called Felt.  That particular song Liz did backing vocals
and was produced by Robin...hence the Cocteau-ish sounds.  The rest of the
album is very good as well.

Still available in some good stores on CD as a matter of fact.

~blu

Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 23:35:13 +0000
From: VK (primitec@slip.net)
Subject: Re: Primitive Painters


I found this:

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:30:52 PST From: Ron Jost (RON@SYBEX.COM) Subject: Re: non-cocteau liz frazer vocals > i am interested in collecting all liz frazer vocals on non-cocteau > tracks. below is the list of all the tracks that i am aware of. > if anyone has any comments or info, please share them w/ the rest of us: > > 1. this mortal coil-- > song to siren > another day > 16days, gathering dust > > 2. ian Mcculloch > candleland > heaven's gate > > 3. wolfgang press > respect > i am the crime > > 4. dif juzz > love insane > > 5. Felt (one of my favorite bands)************* > primitive painters > > 4. peace it-- be still > the robin guthrie mix > > bahman >

Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 03:19:16 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Primitive Painters


In a message dated 96-12-10 02:19:47 EST, you write:

<< Primitive painters?  I know of a recent song off the Tishbite single
called "Primitive Heart" but nothing having to do with painters.  Anyone?
  >>
It is a song from Felt that CT was involved with--Liz on backing vocals and
Robin on guitar.

Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 03:33:11 -0500
From: Jason Bryant (Srilank@AOL.COM)
Subject: Gus Gus - polyester is...where?


apologies if this has been discussed ad nauseum (i've been unsubbed for
awhile)

Is the Gus Gus ep released yet?   ...and if not when is the release date?

jason

srilank@aol.com

Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 03:33:07 -0500
From: Jason Bryant (Srilank@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: A Sex Kitten Lifestyle


> Has anyone heard about when those Detox EP's are available?  Or are they
>  out now and I just didn't notice??

I know that Ear/Rational (ear@xmission.com) has some for $8.75, however only
on vinyl.

jason

srilank@aol.com

Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 03:53:55 +0500
From: susan marie mcgowan (sumcgowa@VT.EDU)
Subject: Re: 'primitive painters'


jason wrote...
>Has anyone heard of the song "Primitive Painters"?  Is it by CT?

no, 'primitive painters' is by the band felt, but (i think, please correct
me if i'm wrong) has elizabeth fraser on backing vocals and was produced by
robin guthrie.


Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 03:17:46 -0800
From: "Brendan A. McCarthy" (ectomort@SLIP.NET)
Subject: Re: Primitive Painters


"primitive painters" is a song by felt.
it's on the album "ignite the seven cannons" which was released
with "the strange idols pattern & other short stories" on cherry red
records (bred65.)
liz frasier of the cocteau twins sang vocals.  robin guthrie produced the
album.

brendan

ectomort@slip.net


Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 11:17:19 -0000
From: sstowell (sstowell@INCH.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 8 Dec 1996 to 9 Dec 1996


>and about red house painters, from what ive gathered from other people's
>posts, it appears RHP is touring with them....ive never heard them before,
>what are they like? are they more of a noisy type 4ad band (like the pixies
>and breeders) or more mellow?

This is a joke, right?


Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 16:53:19 +0000
From: kevin hankey (kevin@WEBMEDIA.COM)
Subject: Re: Garlands, other CT, Ride, Miranda Sex Garden, Belly, Lush


>
>     Guys, I haven't heard Garlands.  Is it significantly different from
>     the above CT albums?


Apart from the fact it'd their best, it's doomy, gloomy & fucking brilliant.


'Blind Dumb Deaf' is one of the most hypnotic resonating things I've
ever heard. The CD version is short  but comes with some extra sessions
(courtesy of the mighty John Peel) and a couple of presumably
unreleased tracks at the end.........

Well worth inversting in.

Regards.

Hankey.

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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 12:38:21 -0500
From: heather murray (s0071593@GBC.GBROWNC.ON.CA)
Subject: Re: Garlands, other CT, Ride, Miranda Sex Garden, Belly, Lush


You don't know what Garlands sounds like? Well, It's still wonderful CT
stuff, but it's my least favourite of their endeavours, a bit rough around
the edges - you can tell, however, that there's something definitely worth
having lurking in there - and if you get it on cd now, chances are you'll
find it with lots of extra tracks, which is always fun...

H.Murray

"I love that set of things to say..."


Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 13:50:37 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Garlands, other CT, Ride


On Tue, 10 Dec 1996, Jason Cuadra wrote:
>      I also have this copy of a scratchy tape, and there are two songs I
>      like by Ride - one of them is "Coast is Clear".  Anyone else know/like
>      this?  I could never find a CD of them here.

Are you sure the 'Coast Is Clear' you are referring to isn't by CURVE and
not RIDE


Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 10:48:41 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: pure-impure is down...


Sorry to announce this here but for obvious reasons I can't use the
correct forum, and there's a fair amount of overlap between this list and
pure-impure. The pure-impure list server is temporarily down and being
moved to new hardware, which is why that list is inactive. Please address
any questions to Jack (q.v.) not me, as he's the admin.

--Jens (jens@mooseyard.com)

spinoffs, and their sound is a tad like FSA but more ambient and swirly
with some hints of Seefeel. One of the tracks is in fact just like what
"Succour" _should_ have sounded like. Damn fine album and I'll be writing
a full review soon.

__________________________________
Subject: new listserv software

From: Jack Huynh, jack@novomedia.com just in case you're wondering, the listserv is currently having problems. i am working on moving the listserv to a unix platform, so i'll let you know when things are swell again.

Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 14:33:47 -0500
From: Elizabeth A Grove (egrove@IC.SUNYSB.EDU)
Subject: Re: non CT Liz Fraser


Liz is also on a Future Sound of London. Kool ambient techno!
also, didn't she do work on a Medicine album?

E



On Mon, 9 Dec 1996, VK wrote:

> I found this:
>
> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:30:52 PST
>        From: Ron Jost (RON@SYBEX.COM)
>        Subject: Re: non-cocteau liz frazer vocals
>
>
> > i am interested in collecting all liz frazer vocals on non-cocteau
> > tracks. below is the list of all the tracks that i am aware of.
> > if anyone has any comments or info, please share them w/ the rest of us:
> >
> > 1. this mortal coil--
> > song to siren
> > another day
> > 16days, gathering dust
> >
> > 2. ian Mcculloch
> > candleland
> > heaven's gate
> >
> > 3. wolfgang press
> > respect
> > i am the crime
> >
> > 4. dif juzz
> > love insane
> >
> > 5. Felt (one of my favorite bands)*************
> > primitive painters
> >
> > 4. peace it-- be still
> > the robin guthrie mix
> >
> > bahman
> >
>

Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 14:40:10 +0000
From: John Doe (950573@UTB1.UTB.EDU)
Subject: Re: non CT Liz Fraser


liz did the backup vocals for Time Baby 3 and Robin produced the track and playe
 some guitar too, I think.
-ariel

Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 12:03:26 -0800
From: nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Re: non CT Liz Fraser


Add these to the list:

Fuel
  Butterfly Knife (from an otherwise quite mediocre EP)

Felt
  The Day The Rain Came Down
  (she's credited on the insert, and I believe you
   can just barely hear her just doing an "oooooh"
   sort of thing in the bits before Lawrence goes
   on about the rain coming down)

Ian McCullough
  (don't forget there are TWO versions of Candleland,
   the one on the album, and the "second coming" version
   on the EP/single)

Medicine
  Time Baby III (on the Sounds Of Medicine EP)

Brant

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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 14:40:53 -0500
From: Elizabeth A Grove (egrove@IC.SUNYSB.EDU)
Subject: Re: Garlands, other CT, Ride, Miranda Sex Garden, Belly, Lush


On Tue, 10 Dec 1996, heather murray wrote:

> You don't know what Garlands sounds like? Well, It's still wonderful CT
> stuff, but it's my least favourite of their endeavours, a bit rough around
> the edges - you can tell, however, that there's something definitely worth
> having lurking in there - and if you get it on cd now, chances are you'll
> find it with lots of extra tracks, which is always fun...
>
> H.Murray
>
> "I love that set of things to say..."
>
Garlands is one of my favorite CT. I wish they did a little more of this
stuff. Instead, they came out w/Head over Heals, boring as hell. However,
this did lead to much better things.
also, aren't the xtra tracks only on the 4AD uk version and not the US
release?

E

Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 11:59:19 -0800
From: "C. Kemnitz" (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Garlands, other CT, Ride, Miranda Sex Garden, Belly, Lush


On Tue, 10 Dec 1996, heather murray wrote:

> You don't know what Garlands sounds like? Well, It's still wonderful CT
> stuff, but it's my least favourite of their endeavours, a bit rough around
> the edges - you can tell, however, that there's something definitely worth
> having lurking in there - and if you get it on cd now, chances are you'll
> find it with lots of extra tracks, which is always fun...

okay, a lot of you have been mentioning the extra Peel Session etc. tracks
on Garlands--and well you should--but, be forewarned that the US domestic
release does NOT have these extra tracks.  I remember scrambling to find
the import copy just after they re-released all the albums domestically
because the re-realease didn't have the extra tracks.  What a poor
marketing play.

-cz

some definite gems on there.

Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 10:11:15 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Garlands, other CT, Ride, Miranda Sex Garden, Belly, Lush


Jason Cuadra wrote:
>     I also have this copy of a scratchy tape, and there are two songs I
>     like by Ride - one of them is "Coast is Clear".  Anyone else know/like
>     this?  I could never find a CD of them here.

"Coast Is Clear" is by Curve, not Ride. It has female vocals, loud
distorted guitar, grinding bass and a beatbox, right? If you like it, I
highly recommend Curve's "Pubic Fruit" album...

>     Guys, I haven't heard Garlands.  Is it significantly different from
>     the above CT albums?

Oh my yes, you could say that. It's their first release (1982) and is
extremely dark, scary and noisy. The guitar is one continuous hail of
screeching feedback (bits of this sound can be heard on some of their
later recordings) and most of the melody is carried by the bass, a la Joy
Division. (They had a different bass player back then.) Liz's singing
isn't nearly as technically capable as later on after she had voice
lessons, but it's quite effective and the exaggerated half-swallowed
vibrato she uses matches the music very well. The lyrics are often
comprehensible, too. They are also using a more rudimentary beatbox with
a very tinny sound, which takes some getting used to but again fits
perfectly. The sound is fairly lo-fi compared to their later compulsive
technical perfection and you definitely won't be using it to test any
speakers. Nevertheless it's one of their best albums.

"Things from the forest die here, but I don't
 Dead forest things are offered here, but I'm not..."


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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 16:29:16 EST
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: THE GUSGUSFUSS 'BELIEVE'


>yes believe is a single and i saw somewhere mentioned on this list that it
>is a remake of someone elses song (not sure exactly who....) ask around on
>the list again for more info.

Believe isn't a cover. It was written by Daniel Agust, Pall Gardarsson and
Sigurdur Kjartansson of Gus Gus.

- Dez


Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 17:43:39 -0500
From: Steven Holmes (sbholmes@ALPHA.DELTA.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIA and red house painters


while this is alitlle bit off the current thread, whiel in my local cool
indie store here in elansing mich, i stumbled across a tape that has both
HNIA and red house painters, all it says is that, plus 93 and then 4AD
logo.  it has three songs from a self titled red house painters albumn,
and four from his name is alive, it was only 450, so i bought it, anyone
have any idea what it is, anyone..

steve

Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 06:00:00 MDT
From: CARY P BRANDAL (brancary@LCS.ISU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Garlands, other CT, Ride, Miranda Sex Garden, Belly, Lu


Elizabeth wrote:

>Garlands is one of my favorite CT. I wish they did a little more of
>this stuff. Instead, they came out w/Head over Heals, boring as hell.

I'm wracking my brain but I can't seem to remember the name of the
band that Will Heggy joined after quiting CT.  Anyone know?  I had
the CD about ten years ago and someone stole it :-(

Anyhow, it is very musically similar to CT (especially the bass
lines) with a male singer.  I remember thinking that they were really
great at the time, but maybe time will have proven me wrong?

Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 15:10:04 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Garlands, other CT


Elizabeth Grove wrote:
>Garlands is one of my favorite CT. I wish they did a little more of this
>stuff. Instead, they came out w/Head over Heals, boring as hell. However,
>this did lead to much better things.

Each to his own -- Head Over Heels is my favorite Cocteau Twins release
of all and I don't see how one could be bored by it!

Before someone suggest a "Favorite CT album" poll, we did one a few years
ago. Anyone have the results handy?

>also, aren't the xtra tracks only on the 4AD uk version and not the US
>release?

Yup. None of the US Capitol releases of any of the albums have any extra
tracks. In the case of Garlands it is definitely worth the extra $$$ to
buy the UK 4AD CD.

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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 19:00:48 -0800
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Freeloader EP


That new Throwing Muses single called "Freeloader" which comes out on
January 21st will in fact, be a strictly Throwing Music/Rykodisc
venture.
4AD themselves apparently do not have plans at this time to release the
new EP which has all new B-sides...

Jeff Keibel
Scarborough, ON
CANADA
redshift@interlog.com

Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 08:28:33 +0800
From: Lim May Lin Melissa (art50981@LEONIS.NUS.SG)
Subject: Re: Primitive Painters


> Primitive painters?  I know of a recent song off the Tishbite single
> called "Primitive Heart" but nothing having to do with painters.
> Anyone?

 Hmmm..."Primitive Painters" is a song by Felt...

Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 19:38:30 -0500
From: Creig Jacobson (CreigJ@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: A Sex Kitten Lifestyle


Regarding the SCHEER 4 CD-
(Green Room) Sex Kitten was a track on Scheer's original Son Records disc for
"Wish You Were Dead", here re-recorded for your pleasure.  Also note that the
song is known in its instrumental version as "Cannon" from the 4AD "Wish You
Were Dead" CD.  Any way you put it, it's cool.
CJ


Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 16:59:47 -0800
From: Peter Repetti (repetti@NATURE.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIA and red house painters


i think this is the promo tape that was given away to people in 1993 for
sending in a postcard to 4ad - in response to some advert. that was
running in alternative press, and maybe other places.  all the tracks are
same as on the respective lps, although i think the version of the
dirteaters is from the uk lp, or maybe its the us lp...one or the other.

peter

On Tue, 10 Dec 1996, Steven Holmes wrote:

> while this is alitlle bit off the current thread, whiel in my local cool
> indie store here in elansing mich, i stumbled across a tape that has both
> HNIA and red house painters, all it says is that, plus 93 and then 4AD
> logo.  it has three songs from a self titled red house painters albumn,
> and four from his name is alive, it was only 450, so i bought it, anyone
> have any idea what it is, anyone..
>
> steve
>

Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 20:20:10 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Garlands, other CT, Ride, Miranda Sex Garden, Belly, Lu


In a message dated 96-12-10 19:40:14 EST, you write:

<< I'm wracking my brain but I can't seem to remember the name of the
 band that Will Heggy joined after quiting CT.  Anyone know?  I had
 the CD about ten years ago and someone stole it :-(

 Anyhow, it is very musically similar to CT (especially the bass
 lines) with a male singer.  I remember thinking that they were really
 great at the time, but maybe time will have proven me wrong? >>
His band is Lowlife.  I would suggest getting their greatest hits album, the
name of escapes me at the moment.


Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 17:56:50 -0800
From: Strick9 (beswick@scf-fs.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Primitive Painters


On Mon, 9 Dec 1996, VK wrote:

> >
> > 4. peace it-- be still
> > the robin guthrie mix


That's Peace Together... and it's gorgeous!

Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 19:58:32 -0500
From: Michael Borum (iceblink@TIAC.NET)
Subject: Re: Garlands, other CT, Ride, Miranda Sex Garden, Belly, Lu


At 06:00 10/12/96 MDT, you wrote:

>I'm wracking my brain but I can't seem to remember the name of the
>band that Will Heggy joined after quiting CT.  Anyone know?  I had
>the CD about ten years ago and someone stole it :-(

Lowlife.

>Anyhow, it is very musically similar to CT (especially the bass
>lines) with a male singer.  I remember thinking that they were really
>great at the time, but maybe time will have proven me wrong?

Not really.  I can't quite think of what it reminds me of... I have their LP
"Gush", and the singer reminds me somewhat of Lawrence from Felt.  The music
is something else entirely, but NOT Cocteau-like--not even in the Garlands
sense.

Mike
iceblink@tiac.net

Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 21:33:24 -0500
From: Lobsterman (jojones@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU)
Subject: Re: Garlands, other CT, Ride, Miranda Sex Garden, Belly, Lu


>Elizabeth wrote:
>
>>Garlands is one of my favorite CT. I wish they did a little more of
>>this stuff. Instead, they came out w/Head over Heals, boring as hell.
>
>I'm wracking my brain but I can't seem to remember the name of the
>band that Will Heggy joined after quiting CT.  Anyone know?  I had
>the CD about ten years ago and someone stole it :-(

That would be (i think) Low Life.  Don't know who else was in the band tho.

John

Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 17:55:43 -0800
From: Strick9 (beswick@scf-fs.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Primitive Painters


On Tue, 10 Dec 1996, Jason Cuadra wrote:

>      Has anyone heard of the song "Primitive Painters"?  Is it by CT?
>


No...it's Felt.  Produced by Robin, with Liz singing accompanying vocals.
GORGEOUS.  Too bad the b-sides pretty much suck.

I saw the album with Primitive Painters on it used for about 4 bucks the
other day and wanted to know if anyone had it... is it worth buying, or
was Primitive Painters just a fluke?  I noticed Robin produced the whole
thing... any thoughts?

Strick9


Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 22:03:21 +0000
From: moran@hal-pc.org
Subject: Re: red hp + air miami (was 4AD-L Digest - 8 Dec 1996 to 9 Dec 1


sstowell  wrote:

> >and about red house painters, from what ive gathered from other people's
> >posts, it appears RHP is touring with them....ive never heard them before,
> >what are they like? are they more of a noisy type 4ad band (like the pixies
> >and breeders) or more mellow?
>
> This is a joke, right?
>
Hey, come on now... no need to be mean.  After all, I had only heard
Insides for the first time today, and just listened to (and
subsequently picked up) Air Miami for the first time about ten days
ago.  We can't all have been so cool as to have heard these bands the
day their albums were released or even earlier.

To answer the original poster's question, they are definately more
mellow.  So, mellow, in fact that they bore they hell out of me.
There are, however, many of their fans on this list who will probably
be more than happy to tell you how wonderful they are.  All I can say
is very slow, melancholy, slow, soft, slow, guitar-oriented
(sometimes acoustic, sometimes not), slow,....  Did I mention that
they were slow?  Not really my cup of tea, but if you haven't been
turned off by what I've said give it a chance or at least listen to
what I'm sure will be the numerous descriptions of rhp to follow.
all.  After all, I absolutely love Slowdive's _Pygmalion_, but then
that's just a work of pure genius.

Speaking of Air Miami, I gave their _Me, Me, Me_ cd a listen in the
store a week or so ago, and at first the thoughts I had were
something like "okay pop, really nothing that demands that I purchase
it" but somehow the melodies stuck in my head as I listened to the
other cds I had picked out, like a cancer it just grew and grew and
next thing I knew I had purchased the cd (along with Bowery
Electric's _Beat_, which I love) and I took it home and looked at the
cd in my hands and I was thinking to myself "what the hell did I buy
this thing for?  It's really not that remarkable."  And I put it on
and I can't stop listening to the damn thing!!  Over and over, I've
got World Cup Fever (which I will of course have to play as a prelude
to the USA-Costa Rica rematch Saturday, hopefully we won't play like
a bunch of 6 year olds like we did on the 1st, but I digress) or
something.  I just find myself addicted to this stuff, especially the
ones Bridget sings on, like "Seabird", "Afternoon Train" (which I've
had playing through my head all night--"why does anybody say anything
they say, anyway?" over and over and over; last night it was
"Seabird"), and "The Event Horizon", but I like all of them.  And I
realize that there is nothing intellectually interesting about this
band but hell, let's face it--despite all of our attempts to
intellectualize what we do music is fundametally just an emotional
thing and it all boils down to if you like it you just have to go
with that and be happy.  And it's not nearly as shameful as, say, Ace
of Bass which I'll just go ahead and admit that I liked some of their
singles and I refuse to be made to feel ashamed for that; I'm sure
we've all got our secret pop enjoyment that we wouldn't want to
admit, but we'll all just sneak into our rooms and I'll listen to my
Ace of Bass and Mr. Roy can have his Chris Isaac (there, you've been
outed!), and you all can have whatever it is you listen to.

Does anybody else notice any similarities to Bridget's Air Miami
songs and some of Mariel's Pale Saints work?

So now we get to the actual point of this, which was for me to ask if
some kind soul would be willing to give me some information about
this evil Mark Robinson.  I have the Trouser Press, which details the
career of Unrest with the releases of the _Tink of S.E_. ep and
_Malcolm X Park_ and _Kustom Karnal Blackxploitation_.  So what did
they do after that, and what does it sound like?  Is there any more
Air Miami to be had, and how does it compare to _Me, Me, Me_?  And
finally, I've heard that Mark is now in something called Olympic
Death Squad, and now that it's been resolved that it is not about
Atlanta I would like to know if anything has been recorded under that
moniker, how it compares with earlier stuff, who's in it, etc etc.
In short I'm hoping some very nice listmember with time on their
hands would be willing to post some in-depth history of mr. robinson.

thanks
moran@hal-pc.org

oh, and do I recommend _Me, Me, Me_?  ABSOLUTELY NOT!  Anyone with
any susceptibility to pop infection should stay away from this
thing--it's a fucking beast! ;)

Oh, and I wasn't impressed with Insides at all.


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