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Subject: artsy fartsy
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 23:39:16 -0500
From: Dave Sargent (fairlee@ACCESS.DIGEX.NET)
Subject: Re: Red House Painters
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 00:21:28 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Re: artsy fartsy
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 01:31:36 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: THE GUSGUSFUSS 'BELIEVE'
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 08:17:01 +0100
From: chief@LYSATOR.LIU.SE
Subject: Lilys / Massive Attack
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 06:03:58 EST
From: Jeremy L Orr (j.orr@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: Lilys / Massive Attack
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 04:17:10 -0800
From: Aaron Thorne (fearless@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: tape exchanges
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 14:14:26 +0100
From: Stephane Sommet (Stephane.Sommet@WANADOO.FR)
Subject: luminous orange's new album
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 23:45:22 +0900
From: Masaya Toyokawa (gtr0393@ASK.OR.JP)
Subject: Re: artsy fartsy
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 10:40:36 -0500
From: "James P. Crimm" (jcrimm@ZOO.UVM.EDU)
Subject: RHP
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 12:36:16 -0800
From: Dragon Fly (dragonfly@TELIS.ORG)
Subject: Re: RHP in Texas...
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 12:12:46 +0000
From: John Doe (950573@UTB1.UTB.EDU)
Subject: Half String wonderment
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 12:52:32 -0800
From: nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: CT website always busy
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 14:33:52 -0600
From: Kendal Myka Obermeyer (kobermey@UNLGRAD1.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: luminous orange's new album
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 12:29:24 -0800
From: nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Listworthy Show on 12/12
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 18:21:52 -0500
From: GwenVo@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Half String wonderment/Dart?
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 16:23:31 +0000
From: the mystery parade (tmp@earthlink.net)
Subject: Re: Half String wonderment/Dart?
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 19:03:31 -0600
From: Sally Tomato (hk@neosoft.com)

Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 23:39:16 -0500
From: Dave Sargent (fairlee@ACCESS.DIGEX.NET)
Subject: artsy fartsy


here's my take on music's (and arts' in general) value; a work should be judged
with two main criteria in mind. those are creativity and aptitude. one without
the other leaves you with either boredom or a big pretentious mess. but just
enough of both and you've got something that can potentially appeal to many
people. of course, nothing should be judged on popular opinion. that's too
utilitarian. but let's not go there

well, i'm signing off until january. i vow to return in one form or another.
thanks to everyone for their input on australia and arizona.

later,
dave sargent
art fag-yet neither artist, nor bundle of sticks


Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 00:21:28 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Re: Red House Painters



Ya so I saw Red House Painters Wednesday night
and they were excellent.

Ya anyway this dude named Mark came out on stage with his
guitar and said something like..."I know you guys will like this
one". He then proceeded to start playing this song called "Fly
By Night" by this little known band from Canada known as Rush.
He ended his little soujourn by saying "That sounds more like
Rush than fucking Rush man". Mark then broke into of wonderful
solo acoustic version of Mother.. "Its our duty...Its California's, etc".

Throughout the night Mark was heard saying such in between
crowd banter as "What you calling my shit cheez man? Don't
you be calling my shit cheeze man, fuck you man", "Look at this
dude..."'Play Joy Division, play some Bauhaus, man. Why does
everything sound like Neil Young, man?' ", Fuck you, man.",
"This is one of our new songs...its called 2112 (a clue-in to yet another
Rush song, ha ha), "What song is this?...You don't know this song
do you, I bet none of you guys even have any of our fuckin'
albums, usually when someone knows a song they cheer, you guys don't
even fuckin' know this song, man...shit" and the best, most quotable of the
evening
as an introduction to Mistress "This is a song about a bitch that I fuckin'
hate".

They played for about 2 1/2hours. I left at 1:30 after RHP had been
on since 11:30 and they were still playing. There was no Medicine Bottle,
No Katy Song, but they were excellent nonetheless.  Mark's different vocal
take on Grace Cathedral Park was very interesting as well as his new
guitarist's Michael Brook-like guitar work. Throughout
the evening I kept saying to myself this is what its all about man, you
know they are really excellent musicians and you don't realize it until
they are playing consistently well song after song after song. HNIA
played for like an hour and a half and I hadn't realized how young
Karin Oliver was. Or how much her voice does not resemble the way she
looks. Everyone went there expecting "Are Will Still Married?" and
other angst-ridden songs but they got some really groovy and jumping
songs, HNIA one thing I can say about them is that every song is
uniquely different, that's hard thing for a band to do.

Overall well worth the $15 bucks to get in.

Steve

**************************************
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Dalmatian Design Communications
139 Golfclub Court, Richmond Hill,
Ontario, CANADA L4C 5E1

(905) 884-2601


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and start spouting universal truths without qualification"
                               - Jude from Hal Hartley's "Surviving Desire"

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Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 01:31:36 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: artsy fartsy


In a message dated 96-12-07 00:55:41 EST, you write:

<< art fag-yet neither artist, nor bundle of sticks

  >>

Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 08:17:01 +0100
From: chief@LYSATOR.LIU.SE
Subject: Re: THE GUSGUSFUSS 'BELIEVE'



On Thu, 5 Dec 1996, shar everett  wrote about
THE GUSGUSFUSS 'BELIEVE':

> i just got a letter from kjol and andersson about gusgus that confirmed a
> release of 'believe' in europe in feb 97' - also 'polydistortion'
> (rerelease of debut album w/changes) will be released worldwide via 4ad on
> march 24th, 97'. the letter also mentioned something about a short film
> that was released w/ polyesterday in europe (video perhaps??)... does
> anyone in europe know anything about this??

Yes, the video has been shown on MTV Europe's 'Alternative Nation' a
couple of times so far, but that's the only place I have seen it so
far. By the way, is 'Believe' a single? I haven't been paying attention
to the list for a while, so I'm a bit uninformed here.. :-/

 //Erik (chief@lysator.liu.se)


Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 06:03:58 EST
From: Jeremy L Orr (j.orr@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Lilys / Massive Attack


(1) A friend of mine is looking for a CD copy of Lilys "February
Fourteenth" single.  Is this hard to find?  Is it the same thing as the
_Tonebender_ EP?

(2) Another friend of mine is looking for a poster (US promo would be
fine) of the cover art from the Massive Attack vs. The Mad Professor CD.
Anyone know where I can get my paws on one?

Thanx...

---Jeremy 

...wondering if anyone out there has an album by World Sitizenz that
they'd care to unload...


Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 04:17:10 -0800
From: Aaron Thorne (fearless@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lilys / Massive Attack


On Sat, 7 Dec 1996, Jeremy L Orr wrote:

> (1) A friend of mine is looking for a CD copy of Lilys "February
> Fourteenth" single.  Is this hard to find?  Is it the same thing as the
> _Tonebender_ EP?

there are 3 (i think) different pressing of this.  the older ones are
harder to find but the newest is pretty easy.  got mine from VinylInk i
think.  It has Feb 14th and Threw A Day (the second to last song on ITPON
cd).  No, Tonebender is different.

aaron


Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 14:14:26 +0100
From: Stephane Sommet (Stephane.Sommet@WANADOO.FR)
Subject: tape exchanges


bonjour,
anybody interested in those recorded concerts ?
BELLY live at the Elysee Montmartre, Paris, 03/09/93.
BELLY black session, Maison de la radio, Paris, 1993.
PIXIES live at the Eurockeenes de Belfort, 06/28/91.
RIDE "overdrive (italian pressing)", USA 90 and Europe 91.
RIDE "4 tracks (only french promo pressing) live at the Brixton
Academy", 03/27/92.
FRANCK BLACK "Black Session", Maison de la radio, 06/10/94.
SWELL "5 rare tracks (only french promo pressing)".
EDWIN COLLINS "3 tracks black session", Maison de la radio, 1994.
THE CATCHERS "3 tracks black session", Maison de la radio, 1994.
THE DIVINE COMEDY "rare and live tracks".

I would exchange tapes against:
PRAM "iron lung ep"
SLOWDIVE "in mind remixes"
MBV "the new record by..."
MBV "sunny sunday smile"
SPIRITUALIZED any concerts
MBV any concerts.
TELESCOPES any concerts.

Please e-mail me privately.

Bye,
Stephane.


Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 23:45:22 +0900
From: Masaya Toyokawa (gtr0393@ASK.OR.JP)
Subject: luminous orange's new album


Luminous Orange will release a new album this year. (or have released ?)

Luminous Orange - Vivid Short Trip (Cream Cone Records, CCCD999,
+81-489-62-3183)

I don't know the date of release. I will confirm later.
I listend to a song "fall again" from the album on a cd magazine "Indies
Magazine" 10/96 vol.5.
very nice acoustic pop. They've made much progress since their last tape
release, which I didn't like very much. I found the influence from Ian
Masters, Weekend, and Devine & Statton.
The note says that they will participate in an omnibus from Dewdrops. What
is going on this cd ?

######
jap thislisties #1
Portable Rock - Beginnings (Solid, CDSOL-1019)
Portable Rock is Maki Nomiya (vo.; now vo. of Pizzicato Five),  Tomofumi
Suzuki (g. synth.; ex. 8 1/2), and Nobuo Nakahara (b. synth.; ex. films).
Though they have two albums (Q.T + 1; Dance Volunteer) in 80's, only their
first demo tape recorded in 1983, which was later re-mixed and re-released
in 1990, is worth listening. They are classified into tecno pop. I agree,
but they're not so techno as YMO, but rather pop, pure synth pop.
I recently heard a song of Pizzicato Five on TV. The title is "Message
Song", maybe available somewhere. I don't know much about Pizzicato Five,
but the song have much smell of portable rock. I like the song.

---
Masaya Toyokawa
190-25 Nansei,Mie, 516-01 Japan
gtr0393@ask.or.jp


Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 10:40:36 -0500
From: "James P. Crimm" (jcrimm@ZOO.UVM.EDU)
Subject: Re: artsy fartsy


<<<<

Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 12:36:16 -0800
From: Dragon Fly (dragonfly@TELIS.ORG)
Subject: RHP


There is a RHP site at: http://www.mdi.net/~kdesigns/rhp/index.html

It has recently moved there from another location.  It gives a listing of
the tour dates.


>For those of you in the bay area that hadn't heard, Red House Painters are
>playing at the Great American Music Hall on Dec. 22nd.  I have a couple of
>questions, though:
>
>1) They are playing with Maids of Gravity.  Can someone tell me a little
>about them and what they sound like?
>
>2) Are they going to be playing a show in LA around the same time?
>
>Mr. Jake


Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 12:12:46 +0000
From: John Doe (950573@UTB1.UTB.EDU)
Subject: Re: RHP in Texas...


yes... RHP and MOG did play in Houston at about that time, but they were going t
 be here again!  The web page said so.  I just wanted to see them and HNIA at te
 same time.   ari el

Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 12:52:32 -0800
From: nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Half String wonderment


Half String at Spaceland last night was a great, if
too short, bit of gliding dreamyness. They only played
5-6 songs total, but these included the wonderful
"Departures" and "Shell Life", plus what a number of us
believe is their best song to date "Hue," which I
jokingly referred to as their "Dif Juz ripoff song".
It was stunning, especially the wash-out section
near the end. Kimber is so much fun to watch on
drums doing all these amazing patterns, and I've
come to the conclusion that she's really one of
the best drummers (if not THE best) out there.
Some technical problems caused them to end early and
give up the stage to Scenic, who didn't sound as
"on" as they have in the past. Maybe it was the
mix or the fact that it was well past midnight.
Still, "All Fish Go To Heaven" blew me away as
usual, and "Sage" also got a tremendous response
from the crowd. They debuted a song called
"When The Time Comes" by announcing it as
coming out on a compilation from Dewdrops in
a few months (which was way cool!). It's an
outtake from Incident At Cima, and it has that
Mojave Desert kind of sound that runs through
everything. Half String, by the way, are also
going to be on the comp with a song called
"Eyesick" (outtake from the current album),
and to complete the Arizona contingent,
Alison's Halo will contribute "Leech,"
re-recorded from their cassette-only Slug EP.

Don't forget: Scenic and Dart at the Whittier
Penny Lane store, 4pm, Today (Saturday).

Brant
|    Dewdrops Records     | Splashed With Many A Speck |
| 12515 Pacific Ave. #106 |   A Dewdrops Compilation   |
|  Los Angeles, CA 90066  |        Winter 1997         |
|   www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html   |

      > Uncommon music that deserves to be heard <


Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 14:33:52 -0600
From: Kendal Myka Obermeyer (kobermey@UNLGRAD1.UNL.EDU)
Subject: CT website always busy

              digest processor" at Nov 22, 96 03:02:05 am

I live in a shell,
and heck...I can't get to the CT website (garnet.berkeley...etc:8080)
I always get a busy signal.  Did the whole thing move and I didn't
catch it? This is entirely possible.


                                                *Kendal*

       www.geocities.com/SoHo/1611



"The meek get pinched. The bold survive."
                                --Ferris Bueller

Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 12:29:24 -0800
From: nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Re: luminous orange's new album


> Luminous Orange - Vivid Short Trip (Cream Cone Records, CCCD999,
> +81-489-62-3183)

> very nice acoustic pop. They've made much progress since their last tape
> release, which I didn't like very much. I found the influence from Ian
> Masters, Weekend, and Devine & Statton.
> The note says that they will participate in an omnibus from Dewdrops. What
> is going on this cd ?

This CD is very good indeed, and even features Ian Masters on
one track (Rie and Ian are good friends, and Ian was the
person responsible for turning us on to them in the first place).
Many of the songs from their demotapes are on this CD, and
some were recorded very differently. The song that's going to
be on our compilation is "Garden Of Stones" which is not
on the album, but Rie tells me that it IS already on a
Japanese comp. A couple others are on another one called
"Come Taste The Flowers, vol.5" I think it's likely that
Vivid Short Trip will be added to our catalogue in the near
future, along with the Super 31 and Sensualists CDs and the
Oneironaut 7". We don't have any of these yet, but I'll
post an announcement when we do.

Brant

|    Dewdrops Records     | Splashed With Many A Speck |
| 12515 Pacific Ave. #106 |   A Dewdrops Compilation   |
|  Los Angeles, CA 90066  |        Winter 1997         |
|   www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html   |

      > Uncommon music that deserves to be heard <

Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 18:21:52 -0500
From: GwenVo@AOL.COM
Subject: Listworthy Show on 12/12


Just wanted to let you all know that the band Paige will be playing at the
Martini Lounge, Thursday December 12th. For all of you that remember, they
were the ones that played with His Name Is Alive this last September. They
are definately worth checking out. It's 21 and over. Hope to see ya all
there.


Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 16:23:31 +0000
From: the mystery parade (tmp@earthlink.net)
Subject: Re: Half String wonderment/Dart?


Dart opened for the amazing Half String (too bad they didn't have time
to play that last "new" song) and Scenic (whose live sound incredibly
nearly reproduces their recorded material) last night in Los
Angeles...here's my question: was that Anthony from RHP (who is involved
with Dart) behind the drums or is he currently touring with RHP? (i.e.,
I don't remember what he looks like)

--
t h e   m y s t e r y   p a r a d e
{ceci n'est pas un site web}

Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 19:03:31 -0600
From: Sally Tomato (hk@neosoft.com)
Subject: Re: Half String wonderment/Dart?


the mystery parade wrote:
> here's my question: was that Anthony from RHP (who is involved
> with Dart) behind the drums or is he currently touring with RHP? (i.e.,
> I don't remember what he looks like)

Yep, Anthony the House Painter is also the drummer in Dart.  I don't
think he's been on any of their records thus far, but he's been playing
traps with Rick and Co. for a while now.

Cheers,


hk
[who was lucky enough to see Dart play this past August...]
--
hk@neosoft.com http://www.neosoft.com/~hk/home.htm
"Let's have a bakesale!" -- Space Ghost


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