Subject: Re: sliding and diving
Subject: Re: bowery electric - "beat"
Subject: Re: Important News Please Read
Subject: RHP in Texas...
Subject: garlands inspirations?
Subject: Re: bowery electric - "beat"
Subject: Re: HNIA/RHP in Atlanta Question...)
Subject: Re: FSOL+DCD = WIERD
Subject: Re: bowery electric - "beat"
Subject: Re: RHP concert
Subject: Re: Important News Please Read
Subject: Re: garlands inspirations?
Subject: Re: bowery electric - "beat"
Subject: factory press
Subject: Re: garlands inspirations?
Subject: Re: garlands inspirations?
Subject: HNIA/Go Sonic/Time Stereo
Subject: Re: sliding and diving
Subject: Re: RHP concert
Subject: Re: sliding and diving
Subject: Labradford show (Austin TX)
Subject: Re: Important News Please Read
Subject: Re: garlands inspirations?
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 10:58:55 EST
On Mon, 2 Dec 1996 13:13:33 -0500 jawolfe
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 12:16:53 -0600
Hello all!
I believe this is my first post and i'm so pleased to see that bowery
electric is being talked about. I've seen them once and i thought they
were great. The drummer is a good friend of mine and he is in another
band called Factory Press. I think if you like joy division and bauhaus,
i think you should give them a try. Factory Press started out here in the
small college town of Denton, Texas and later moved on to N.Y.C. A friend
of mine has a web page of them where you can find it at
edward
ps. the new cranes single will be "Brazil" off of "population four".
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 10:30:34 -0800
> Milosz wrote:
> >Since when do we have anarchy in USA or anywhere else in the world? We have
> >democracy (or at least it should be democracy) and I think in democracy I
> >can demand to take the freedom of speech away from those who hate other.
I'm finally had to give in and comment on this silly thread.
Your proposal demostrates the primary danger of democracy: A Tyrany of the
Majority! Don't you see an inconsistancy in your two positions? As a
self-professed anarchist you don't want anyone exerting an organized power
over you but you want to impose that same organized power over others.
-cz
music related: I'm not sure i'm going to be able to find a top ten for
this year, has it been lackluster or is it just my imagination?
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 03:04:44 -0500
I was my understanding RHP already played in Texas around Nov. 17 with
Maids of Gravity. I saw RHP with His Name Is Alive (their second show on
this tour) on the 22nd in Orlando and no Maids of Gravity. HNIA also
played a nice thirty minute set over the radio earlier that day. I took a
couple of photos from the show and i'll pass along a URL when i get them
back if anyone is intersted in seeing them. btw That PeterPaulMary cover
was really nice...
j e f f r e y
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 01:09:18 -0800
Hi all, I'm fairly new to all these wonderfully cool bands that tend
to reside on the 4AD label, "thislisty" I guess is what they've been called.
Anyways, so far my favorite band in this area is the Cocteau Twins, and I
especially love Garlands. I'm wondering if anyone can point me to any other
bands that had a similar feel and sound that Garlands has, or possibly any
other cocteau albums that have a similar type of sound to their premier (so
far I have not come across one, but I am far from owning them all.)
I just love this sound and it bugs me that I can only find it on
this one album (althought it makes me cherish Garlands highly :))
thanks
Matt
oh and if ya dont recognize me it's cuz I'm new to this list as well...
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 09:22:52 -0800
Jason Marc Morehead wrote:
>the foundations are
>there, but some of the songs just don't seem to go anywhere for me.
Judging by their first album, they're a lot more interested in texture
than in songs that go somewhere ... not ambient, but very droney.
>i had read that their first album was VERY similar to slowdive's "just
>for a day" era
I wouldn't say "very similar". There's definitely a strong early-Slowdive
influence in the guitar textures and the general blissed-out lassitude.
The overall tone isn't as, well, sugary as "Just For a Day", though;
darker and rougher, more like the "Slowdive" single. On a few songs I'm
also strongly reminded of the Cocteau Twins' "Garlands".
>how does their first album rate when compared to "beat", for
>those who've heard both?
Haven't heard "Beat" yet, but the first album is terrific...
> has anyone heard the new labradford? what do you think?
There were a couple of mentions on pure-impure, both very positive. As I
recall Dez said it was the best they'd done yet, and Andrew said it was
very much in the style of their earlier material and just as good. The
moment I can find this I'm snapping it up (that goes for the new B.E.
too.)
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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 09:55:36 EST
Question...)
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Date: Sun, 01 Dec 1996 06:11:11 -0600
Greetings...
Sorry it's taken me a few days to get back to you. First
of all,
the show was *incredible*. HNIA played a very good set, doing
completely different versions of songs like "Can't go wrong without
you." The music was almost bluesy at points, and quite a bit more raw
than I expected. I picked up a 7" (esp family) and two tapes, live in
Michigan, and the new 10 song casette recorded at Warren's house.
Warren was rather amusing inbetween songs, lots of people were sitting
on the floor, and at one point Warren said "this next song is called
'everyone on the floor fucking stand-up,' who do you think we are the
Red House Painters?" Most amusing. They played for about an hour.
I was wondering how exactly a band like RHP would pull
off playing
live, seeing as how most of the songs are quite slow and depressing--
boy was I in for a treat. When Mark first came on stage, he said
something about not feeling well and only being able to play "Michael"
and "Uncle Joe," which was apparently some kind of an in-joke with
people who have seen them before, they played for almost 3 and a half
hours. Mark was quite amusing in between songs, and with the songs
they covered: "I Saw the Light" (Hank Williams), "Leaving on a Jet
plane" (Peter Paul and Mary), "I'm gunna keep on loving you" (REO
Speedwagon), among a couple of others. At one point he said "People
ask me why we don't cover Leonard Cohen songs, it's because I'd rather
cover fucking AC/DC songs" and started playing some AC/DC song, at one
point he played "Famous Blue Raincoat" by Cohen, but only got half way
through it because some girls were laughing about something and he
stopped and said "What the Fuck's so funny about that???" During the
encore he said "I'd come back out if there were two people clapping
for me" and during the encore he played some Christmas song, and said
"I'm gunna make a record: Mark Kozelek sings fucking Christmas Songs."
At one point he also said "Atlanta, I used to live in Atlanta, it
fucking sucks, now I live in Frisco." They opened the show with an
amazing version of Michael, pulled off a desent version of "Mistress,"
and played a version of "Evil" that was just unbelievable, very long
(as many of the songs were) and very punishing-- I never really liked
the song much until they played it. During the encore he played
"Japanese to English" which was one of the songs I really hoped he'd
play. Other songs were: Summer Dress, Avita, Uncle Joe, Grace
Cathedral Park, 24 (it was funny because he started this song a couple
of times and couldn't keep from laughing, at one point he said-- "I
can't play this song, it's so fucking pretentious, and 24 keeps
breathing in my face like a mad whore, yeah right"), and others I
can't even remember. They played about 4 or 5 new songs, which he
introduced as "We're gunna play some new songs now" and played them
back to back. They played for such a long time, and there was so much
commentary between the songs, it was phenominal. I was completely in
awe. Oh yeah, they also did a very different version of "Lord Kill
the Pain," it worked. The encore was just Mark, and he seemed to be
quite cool, not at all like a rock star or a tortured artist. If
there's anything in particular you want to know about the show, just
ask. Oh yeah, one last thing, after they did a piss-take on REO
Speedwagon's song, Mark said "That'll give you something to talk about
on the Internet. I don't know man, I went to the show, but they were
playing fucking Bachman Turner Overdrive or some shit." Most
hillarious, everyone seemed very receptive.
Yours in Truth-
Greyson Welch
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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 08:59:33 -0500
The song is actually entitled "Papua New Guinea", and is a Future Sound of
London recording; they only sampled "The Serpent's Egg".
Mike
[email protected]
At 09:08 PM 12/5/96 PST, you wrote:
> I was quite surprised when I saw this video yesterday on MTV (europe).
>it was about one minute long and the only title was: FUTURE SOUND OF
>LONDON AND DEAD CAN DANCE. no song or album title. but what I had
>gathered from the confused presenter was that the video was part of
>soundtrack that FSOL made for a short film (I forget what it's called).
>the video itself was just lots of mixed colours, keleidoscope style, and
>I hadn't noticed anything new from DCD, just a remix from The Serpent's
>Egg. that's all I know.
>
>-naor-
>"suicide is painless" the narcissist nacrophile
>
>
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 08:46:45 -0600
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 09:22:52 -0800
Mr. Alfke said this of Bowery Electric:
> Judging by their first album, they're a lot more interested in texture
> than in songs that go somewhere ... not ambient, but very droney.
In response to Mr. Morehead's comment:
> i had read that their first album was VERY similar to slowdive's "just
> for a day" era
BE's guitarist has a single, reverse-reverb and flanged out sound he likes.
A lot. Indeed, listeners will be initially hard pressed to distinguish
between chords, much less songs, on the first album. Vocals are so
microphone-shy as to be just another texture. Which leaves the album's
movement to be carried entirely by the rhythm section. Fortunately, the
bassist has an affinity for the compulsive grooves of Joy Division, which
lends several tracks an amazing trance-like inevitability. Like, as Jens
mentioned, "Garlands".
Needless to say, my copy of "Beat" is currently enroute.
On now: Bootsy the rastapuppy really likes the recent
reissue of Burning Spear's "Social Living."
D.S. Roy aka [email protected]
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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 17:52:50 PST
> Music is the pleasure the human soul experiences from counting
without being aware that it is counting.
-- Leibniz
naa.. I never did buy that unconscious arithmetics theory. for one, the
most complex form of acoustic structure: noise, is just as unpleasant as
the simplest structure: a single tone. but, since I don't have any
alternative theory, I'd better not say anything anyway.
-naor-
make love or war
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 07:12:57 -0800
>> Milosz wrote:
>> >Since when do we have anarchy in USA or anywhere else in the world? We have
>> >democracy (or at least it should be democracy) and I think in democracy I
>> >can demand to take the freedom of speech away from those who hate other.
>
>I'm finally had to give in and comment on this silly thread.
>
>Your proposal demostrates the primary danger of democracy: A Tyrany of the
>Majority! Don't you see an inconsistancy in your two positions? As a
>self-professed anarchist you don't want anyone exerting an organized power
>over you but you want to impose that same organized power over others.
>
>-cz
>
>music related: I'm not sure i'm going to be able to find a top ten for
>this year, has it been lackluster or is it just my imagination?
You know CZ I agree. This year really didn't have that many new albums that
shined. As for the anarchy in the US of A thread...I have found that the
real issue behind all of this is "power". Those that have it and those that
don't. I think in the US we modulate and distribute power a little better,
under the disguise of the most important aspect of most peoples lives,
economic freedoms, although people should understand that it really is
political freedom that allows them the luxury of economic freedom. If
you think about it, how many people actually exercise their Bill of Rights
on a daily basis... Most people are just churning their lives away for
their kids, home and meager pleasures like buying cds. My personal
dealings with Anarchists is that they just want a piece of the pie like
everyone else...and that's find, just admit to it, that's all.
Fred
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 09:42:35 -0800
Matt Greer wrote:
>Anyways, so far my favorite band in this area is the Cocteau Twins, and I
>especially love Garlands. I'm wondering if anyone can point me to any other
>bands that had a similar feel and sound that Garlands has
Here are some suggestions, although don't buy any of this stuff expecting
a carbon copy of "Garlands". I've never heard _anything_ else that has
the exact sound of that album...
- Early Siouxsie & The Banshees
- Cindytalk (try "In This World" or "Camouflage Heart") have a similar
sound in some places, although with a male singer.
- Some of Bowery Electric's s/t first album, esp. the track "Out of
Phase".
- Early Cranes, mostly the hard-to-find "Self/Nonself" album, although
some of "Wings Of Joy" is still in this dark style.
Also, make sure you get the UK CD (or cassette) of "Garlands", as it
contains four classic extra tracks from a Peel session (two featuring
Gordon Sharp of Cindytalk on vocals) and two demos. The US Capitol
release doesn't include these, and they're not in the boxed set.
> or possibly any
>other cocteau albums that have a similar type of sound to their premier (so
>far I have not come across one, but I am far from owning them all.)
The only other thing they did that sounds at all similar is the
"Lullabies" EP, and even that's diverged from "Garlands". I don't know if
it's possible to get this separately anymore, but it's in the boxed set.
Ask for the box for Xmas, it's essential for any CT fan.
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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 13:26:03 -0500
vol two of my Bowery Electric post...
after the controversy yesterday, I went out and bought 'Beat'. I think
its great! very much in the style of the first one, but adds some
interesting experiments to the blend. That opening 'thing' with the drone
and the weird shuffle drum loop (hear the vinyl crackle!?) is great and
so is 'Black Light' about mid-way through. Very laid back beautiful
drone-ing... perfect for a day like today when I'm strung out on cold
medicine and have to keep all the shades drawn cuz the light hurts my head.
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 12:13:06 -0500
I believe this is my first post and i'm so pleased to see that bowery
electric is being talked about. I've seen them once and i thought they
were great. The drummer is a good friend of mine and he is in another
band called Factory Press. I think if you like joy division and bauhaus,
i think you should give them a try. Factory Press started out here in the
small college town of Denton, Texas and later moved on to N.Y.C. A friend
of mine has a web page of them where you can find it at
edward
while i understand that one is obligated to like a friend's band, i like joy
division and bauhaus and absolutely loathe the factory press. i saw them open
for other (much better) local bands a couple times in ft. worth before they
left for n.y. and thought that they were completely horrible and derivative.
unless they have seriously improved since their texas days, i strongly
recommend that you NOT give them a try, or at least go listen to them at a
music store that lets you listen before buying before you risk a total waste of
$15!
layne
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 13:04:25 -0500
Dec 6, 96 01:09:18 am
> Anyways, so far my favorite band in this area is the Cocteau Twins, and I
> especially love Garlands. I'm wondering if anyone can point me to any other
> bands that had a similar feel and sound that Garlands has, or possibly any
> other cocteau albums that have a similar type of sound to their premier (so
> far I have not come across one, but I am far from owning them all.)
the only other album that is close to the sound on garlands is the album
"head over heels", and even that leans more toward the ethereal side of the
band.
there are a couple 12" eps that are still available in the box set that sound
like they belong on Garlands - "Peppermint Pig" and "Lullabies" come to mind.
as for other bands that have that sound...oh, i don't know. maybe early
Siouxsie and the Banshees. the early 80's brit-goth scene was very drug
influenced (Robin Guthrie once pointed out that speed was what wrote the
cocteau twins' early material...)
Keith
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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 19:07:27 GMT
On Fri, 6 Dec 1996 09:42:35 -0800, Jens Alfke
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 22:51:58 +0100
There's a 10-track 7" out on a new label, Go Sonic, featuring 1 min. songs
by bands like His Name Is Alive/Petite Prinzesse, Princess Dragon Mom,
Godzuki, Asha Vida, Windy & Carl, to name just a few... :)
The record comes with Time Stereo artwork, a funny little booklet and a
reply card.
Go Sonic
49625 Romeo Plank Road
Macomb
MI 48044
And talking about Time Stereo: the entire HNIA tour (20 cassettes) is now
available. The tapes come with generic artwork and have the dates stamped on.
Cheers,
Frank
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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 17:46:42 -0600
On Thu, 5 Dec 1996, jawolfe wrote:
> I don't know why people "spend so much time worrying about what they
> listen too"? what's to worry, if you like it, listen to it, if not, then
> don't. Just because I don't like something doesn't mean it sucks. To
> place value on anything as personal as music is a toughie. I review CD's
> at a local college station and present my opinion, but everyone know that
> all reviews and or opinions (as there is precious little objectivity in
> most things relating to music, movies, food, or anything else that relies
> almost entirely on one's personal feelings) are to be taken with a grain
> of salt. I guess what I'm trying to say is that people to take it a bit
> to seriously.
Well, I'd never deny that there is a subjective component to music. And
I agree that nobody has the right to impose opinions on others. Still, I
believe also that there is such a thing as objectively "good" music.
Surely on some level you agree with that?
> Obviously I'm a fan of a certian genre of music or I wouldn't
> have subscribed to the 4ad mailing list. But I just think saying that
> music I don't like isn't music or good for someone's elses enjoyment it
> making a judgement that's not mine to make. Or I'd be no better than any
> of the senior citizens I know that still claim that all rock isn't music.
> Jes
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 17:57:41 -0500
They played in Austin about 3 weeks ago at the Cactus Cafe. I'd give more detail
on how the show went, but I didn't go...
John
At 5:55 AM -0800 12/5/96, Aaron Thorne wrote:
>On Thu, 5 Dec 1996, penumbratic meshuggapolis wrote:
>
>> if this is true (i haven't seen anything about them coming to austin), will
>> someone please post here or let me know so i can finish my paper due that
>> day over the weekend and go see them? thanks. :)
>
>this is what the web page says. doesn't look like they'll be in TX
>for a while. check the papers tho
>
>Toronto (Lee's Palace) - December 4th
>Detroit, MI (the Magic Stick) - December 6th
>Chicago, IL (the Double Door) - December 7th
>Minneapolis, MN (the Cedar Cultural Centre) - December 8th
>St. Louis, MI (the side door) - December 10th
>Lawrence, Kansas (the bottleneck) - December 11th
>Denver, CO (the Ogden Theatre) - December 13th
>Salt Lake City, Utah (the Cinema Bar) - December 14th
>Los Angeles, CA (the Roxy) - December 16th
>Seattle, WA (the Showbox) - December 19th
>Portland, OR (La Luna) - December 20th
>San Francisco, CA (the Great American Music Hall) - December 22nd
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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 15:54:43 -0800
> >> Alison Lorraine wrote:, whereas the last really
> >> good thing Peter Murphy did was "She's In Parties".
> >
> >I believe that it was Bauhaus that did "She's In Parties" at least
> >that's
> >what the 12'inch
Okay, let's not get petty, or i'll ask you how you fit that twelve foot
record on your turntable. Besides, Peter Murphey "did" she's in parties;
he "did" it with the other members in Bauhaus but he did it nonetheless.
> >Not too mention who cares what anyone listens to, musical taste is
> >abitrary,there is no rhyme or reason why I like Deep and Holy Smoke
> >and you don't,
> >it's just personal taste.
Huh? Of course i care what i listen to. ... and there are reasons *i*
like what i like, as well. That's not to say they aren't subjective
reasons! So, i suppose i agree with your conclusion, if not your reason
for getting there.
Carol said:
> enjoy his solo work & listen to them when I'm in the mood. There is no
> voice quite like his in our universe, IMHO.
Well, he does *try* to emulate David Bowie now and again (not that that's
a bad thing, but ...).
-cz
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 17:44:33 -0500
version: you should see this tour no matter what! I had a blast.
---
I went to see Labradford last night at the Electric Lounge. Opening acts=
were Kitty (Austin), and Stars of the Lid (Austin). =20
Kitty was up first with a lead guitarist that seemed to have endless amounts=
of guitar pedals and effects, another guy on bass, and a live drummer. Just=
your normal drums/bass/gee-tar alterna-Austin band, right? Wrong. Here's=
where it got fun. In addition to the standard instrumentation, they had an=
analog Korg synth, at least one drum machine, and more other freaky effects=
in a big rack in the middle of the stage. I couldn't tell if some things=
layered in their music were samples or not, and I was too tired to leave my=
coveted booth seat to trainspot equipment further.
Kitty's sound: loud, noisy, droning guitar, random synth squeals, squawks=
and bleeps, and an electronic drum loop under each song in addition to some=
incredible live drumming. Beautiful polyrhythms going on, very=
improvisational. The coolest thing about them was the way the lead=
guitarist "remixed" the songs as they played. Many songs slowly built up to=
a massive wall of sound, and then the lead guitarist would twiddle some=
knobs, flip switches or something, and the sound would disappear for just a=
moment, then come right back in at full force. A few people (including the=
lead guitarist) started bopping around like ravers, arms flailing. Their=
music sounds techno inspired when it comes to composition, yet guitars were=
employed for the harmonies and atmosphere. If anyone has more info on=
Kitty, please forward it to me (releases, label, etc?). I'll ask around=
town and if anyone else wants more info, let me know and I can post it.=
Loved em and want to see them again.
Next up was Stars of the Lid. Blissful ambience for most of the show, and=
disturbingly LOUD. It was as if I was lying under a revving jet airplane=
when they arrived on stage and extinguished all the lights. Their sound was=
composed of at least two synths (memory moog, Korg synth). I couldn't=
figure out what else they had on stage due to the darkness. That's probably=
good though, because at this point I just wanted to relax and enjoy the=
music. It was an eerie experience, not being able to see where all of this=
massive sound was coming from. I most enjoyed the way the music filled my=
body (lots of deep bass drones and layered synth washes). I haven't=
experienced this kind of kidney shifting music since Front 242's=
"Tyranny>For You" tour - the kind of music that makes you queasy from=
getting your guts tickled with bass.
It wasn't until 1am or later that Labradford took the stage. Frankly I can't=
remember much of this set because it was getting so late, and because the=
club cut it short (the owners started flipping the lights on and off, ugh).=
All I can say is that I enjoyed hearing them for the first time. Their=
songs were structured, quieter and less random than the previous bands so=
it was a nice change of pace for me. I don't know how to give more detail=
on them froma first listen other than saying that their sound is droney,=
shoegazery guitar and soft, uninterpretable male vocals. Any=
recommendations as to which album of theirs I should get first? I wanna=
hear more.
John
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