Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 19:06:20 -0700
On Wed, 4 Dec 1996, Jeremy L Orr wrote:
> I recently saw a quarter-page ad in a magazine for a new release by the
> Cranes...and now I can't find it! It had a French title, and was just
> black writing on a grey background. I remember that the ad didn't say
> much; I assumed it was a full album, but it may have even been an EP or
> whatever. Any info on this?
hi jeremy (hey, glad to have you back! come over to pure-impure where
things are really lovely...) & all the rest of you 4ad-slags :)....
the release you saw the ad for is the famed sartre project. the title is
"la tragedie d'oreste et electre" (forgive the missing accents) and was
inspired by sartre's "les mouches". this was recorded around the time of
"loved" and is mostly orchestral pieces with ali speaking french over it.
quite nice. this was released last spring in very limited quantities but
it seems to have gotten us-distribution and can be found just about
anywhere (including tower).
the cranes are currently working on a new album (i think it is the
post-production stages at this point) to be called "population four". the
tracklisting along with a really lovely picture of ali can be found at
dedicated's website (www.dedicated.co.uk).
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 09:33:35 -0800
Totally off topic, delete now.
>Since when do we have anarchy in USA or anywhere else in the world? We have
>democracy (or at least it should be democracy) and I think in democracy I
>can demand to take the freedom of speech away from those who hate other.
Not necessarily. It depends on the particular laws of the state you live
in. Democracy only defines how laws are made and government chosen. There
are democracies where what you've said is entirely possible (try
Singapore or Canada) and those where freedom of speech is extended to
all, such as the USA. Note that "hate" cuts both ways. As an anarchist
you probably hate the police (at least if you're like most anarchists...)
Maybe you'd like to write an article about why you hate the police. Oops,
according to your own standards you would not be allowed to publish it.
>...in the system I understand under anarchy nobody can have power over
>other people (there is no governement so what kind of power can they have?)
Please! Government is the only kind of power? This is the mistake most
anarchists make. If thugs break down my door and aim Uzis at me, that's
power. If a corporation dumps toxic waste in my front yard, that's power.
If the Mob extorts money from me to permit my business to stay open,
that's power. If someone spreads lies about me and the neighbors drive me
out of town, that's power. Gosh, who's going to protect me from stuff
like that? Could it be ... a government?
>so nobody cares about political opinion. Every political opinion and
>especially system is born because they want to govern and to control people,
>this is impossible in anarchy bevcause nobody can govern and control.
If nobody can govern/control, that's because some power structure is
preventing them; therefore by definition you don't have an anarchy. An
anarchy is simply a power vacuum. Humans hate power vacuums, at least
those humans who aren't anarchists. An anarchy is going to last for about
ten minutes before someone moves in and takes control. Somalia is a great
example of this (a pickup truck with a machine gun on the back, aka a
"technical", is a great localized source of power.) Eastern Zaire is
currently another excellent example. Is the UN going to take power, or
Zaire's army, or the Rwandan gov't, or the exiled Hutus, or Zairean
rebels? I don't know, but it's a sure bet that at least _one_ of them
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 00:08:02 -0600
i recently got the new bowery electric album and i'm, sad to say"
less than impressed. some of the songs are quite beautiful, but on
the whole, most of the music there sounds like the skeletons of songs
that they didn't have time to quite finish. the foundations are
there, but some of the songs just don't seem to go anywhere for me. i
had read that their first album was VERY similar to slowdive's "just
for a day" era, so i was kind of hoping that would hold true for this
album. how does their first album rate when compared to "beat", for
those who've heard both?
has anyone heard the new labradford? what do you think?
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 23:41:23 -0800
at Dec 5, 96 00:08:02 am
For those of you in the bay area that hadn't heard, Red House Painters are
playing at the Great American Music Hall on Dec. 22nd. I have a couple of
1) They are playing with Maids of Gravity. Can someone tell me a little
about them and what they sound like?
2) Are they going to be playing a show in LA around the same time?
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 02:37:30 +0000
hello. I have a question concerning the RHP playing in Houston on the 10th. Ok
y, is it confirmed? And who are they playing with, Maids of Gravity or His Name
Is Alive? I would love to see HNIA agian! Thanks, ariel.
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 06:39:09 -0600
John Doe sez:
> hello. I have a question concerning the RHP playing in Houston on the
>10th. Okay, is it confirmed? And who are they playing with, Maids of
>Gravity or His Name Is Alive? I would love to see HNIA agian! Thanks,
if this is true (i haven't seen anything about them coming to austin), will
someone please post here or let me know so i can finish my paper due that
day over the weekend and go see them? thanks. :)
Music is the pleasure the human soul experiences from counting
without being aware that it is counting.
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 05:55:28 -0800
On Thu, 5 Dec 1996, penumbratic meshuggapolis wrote:
> if this is true (i haven't seen anything about them coming to austin), will
> someone please post here or let me know so i can finish my paper due that
> day over the weekend and go see them? thanks. :)
this is what the web page says. doesn't look like they'll be in TX
for a while. check the papers tho
Toronto (Lee's Palace) - December 4th
Detroit, MI (the Magic Stick) - December 6th
Chicago, IL (the Double Door) - December 7th
Minneapolis, MN (the Cedar Cultural Centre) - December 8th
St. Louis, MI (the side door) - December 10th
Lawrence, Kansas (the bottleneck) - December 11th
Denver, CO (the Ogden Theatre) - December 13th
Salt Lake City, Utah (the Cinema Bar) - December 14th
Los Angeles, CA (the Roxy) - December 16th
Seattle, WA (the Showbox) - December 19th
Portland, OR (La Luna) - December 20th
San Francisco, CA (the Great American Music Hall) - December 22nd
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 10:41:15 -0500
I've not heard this new 'Beat', but I'll chime in to say that BE's first
disc wasnt a show stopper on the first couple of listens... Its rather
subtle, and doesnt have songs that immediately grab you or come to any
grand conclusions... but it is wondewrful in its own way. Now I'm very
curious about this second disc!
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 13:20:00 -0700
i just got a letter from kjol and andersson about gusgus that confirmed a
release of 'believe' in europe in feb 97' - also 'polydistortion'
(rerelease of debut album w/changes) will be released worldwide via 4ad on
march 24th, 97'. the letter also mentioned something about a short film
that was released w/ polyesterday in europe (video perhaps??)... does
anyone in europe know anything about this??
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 21:08:17 PST
I was quite surprised when I saw this video yesterday on MTV (europe).
it was about one minute long and the only title was: FUTURE SOUND OF
LONDON AND DEAD CAN DANCE. no song or album title. but what I had
gathered from the confused presenter was that the video was part of
soundtrack that FSOL made for a short film (I forget what it's called).
the video itself was just lots of mixed colours, keleidoscope style, and
I hadn't noticed anything new from DCD, just a remix from The Serpent's
Egg. that's all I know.
"suicide is painless" the narcissist nacrophile
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 22:00:00 +0000
actually, theres even newer cranes coming out at the beginning of
february, i think its called 'population four' or something.
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 14:23:03 -0500
Hey out there!
I was wondering if anyone out there has any RHP bootlegs that they'd like
to share. I don't have any myself but I would be willing to copy anything
from shoegazer days of olde that people might be looking for!
Let me know... thanks
Berklee College of Music
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Boston, MA 02115
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"...wrapped in white sheets like an angel from a bedtime story."
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 14:32:11 -0500
On Tue, 3 Dec 1996, Andrew Stephen Barg wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Dec 1996, jawolfe wrote:
> > Not too mention who cares what anyone listens to, musical taste is
> > abitrary,there is no rhyme or reason why I like Deep and Holy Smoke and you
> > it's just personal taste.
> It really surprises me to hear this view expressed here. Or anywhere.
> How can you say stuff like this?!? If all music is of equal value (if,
> indeed, anything that anybody should choose to present as music is of
> equal value) then why do so many people waste so much time worrying about
> what they listen to? Are they just stupid?
I don't know why people "spend so much time worrying about what they
listen too"? what's to worry, if you like it, listen to it, if not, then
don't. Just because I don't like something doesn't mean it sucks. To
place value on anything as personal as music is a toughie. I review CD's
at a local college station and present my opinion, but everyone know that
all reviews and or opinions (as there is precious little objectivity in
most things relating to music, movies, food, or anything else that relies
almost entirely on one's personal feelings) are to be taken with a grain
of salt. I guess what I'm trying to say is that people to take it a bit
Obviously I'm a fan of a certian genre of music or I wouldn't
have subscribed to the 4ad mailing list. But I just think saying that
music I don't like isn't music or good for someone's elses enjoyment it
making a judgement that's not mine to make. Or I'd be no better than any
of the senior citizens I know that still claim that all rock isn't music.
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 11:44:46 PST
If the music on 4Ad could be classified.. how would you people
like for instance,
Woolfgang press has nothing to to with HNIA,
Pixies with heidi berry and so on..
there are many bands i've been reading about but I don't know
if I'll like them, since i like HNIA, slowdive, cranes
anne clarke, kinda stuff..
i might go shopping in a couple of weeks so i have to know what new music i
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 12:30:59 -0600
On Wed, 4 Dec 1996, Milosz Zielinski wrote:
> Since when do we have anarchy in USA or anywhere else in the world? We have
> democracy (or at least it should be democracy) and I think in democracy I
> can demand to take the freedom of speech away from those who hate other. If
This may not be your main point, but I think the above shows a serious
lack of understanding of the concept of democracy. You seem to suggest
that we can have democracy independent of whether or not we have individual
rights; I think you couldn't be more wrong. Democracy is more than just
voting every 4 years for a bunch of guys who are all basically the same
anyways; real democracy enshrines the idea of individual freedoms and
rights and cannot exist without them. Individual rights are a necessary
precursor of the idea that people have a right to control the actions of
the country they live in. If you aren't free from repression and safe
from arbitrary excercise of authority, then you don't live in a
democracy, no matter how much you get to vote.