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Subject: Labradford in Houston
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 19:32:49 +0000
From: moran@hal-pc.org
Subject: hniaLIVE/disjecta.
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 22:28:51 -0500
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Slowdive auction again
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 19:32:49 +0000
From: moran@hal-pc.org
Subject: Re: Whatever...
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 17:35:38 -0800
From: Ellen Turpin-Dennig (roxie@CRUZIO.COM)
Subject: Mai Pen Rai cd 4 sale
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 20:47:52 -0800
From: Michael Flowers (liftlabs@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Re: Whatever...
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 10:00:36 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Bros. Quay Institute Benjamenta in T.O.
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 20:45:36 -0800
From: Snarlo (repetti@UCLINK4.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Mai Pen Rai cd 4 sale
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 02:21:54 -0500
From: "Blue Bell's Knoll" (BluBelKnol@AOL.COM)
Subject: Bros. Quay Institute Benjamenta in T.O.
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 07:57:54 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: RHP Live in Boston
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 09:38:40 -0500
From: Matt/Summer Holiday (mdwalbur@student.berklee.edu)
Subject: Re: sliding and diving
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:40:02 -0500
From: lee harvey fnordwald (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Bros. Quay Institute Benjamenta in T.O.
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:34:25 +0600
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Slowdive auction again
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 23:08:40 +0100
From: Rolando Michelazzi (rolit@MBOX.VOL.IT)
Subject: New Gus Gus Promo
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 18:12:03 EST
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: slowdive auction again
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 17:33:44 +0500
From: susan marie mcgowan (sumcgowa@VT.EDU)
Subject: Re: sliding and diving
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 17:35:32 -0600
From: Andrew Stephen Barg (umbarg01@CC.UMANITOBA.CA)
Subject: TWP/ hnia questions
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 17:38:19 CST6DST
From: PEREZ GUTIERREZ JORGE HUMBERTO (AR24051@LHP.GDL.ITESO.MX)

Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 19:32:49 +0000
From: moran@hal-pc.org
Subject: Labradford in Houston


Hey Houston listies:

Just in case there's anyone who doesn't yet know (and I only just
found out today), Labradford will be playing at Mary Jane's tomorrow
night (Tues, Dec 3rd).  I don't know how much it will cost but as it
is Mary Jane's I can't imagine it costing much.

The opening acts are Buddha on the Moon (of course) and Stars on the
Lid.  Anyone know anything about Stars on the Lid?

Come say hi to me and Darryl, aka Ersatz these days, at the show.
I'll probably be wearing a black t-shirt that says "OTTO NEMENZ" on
the back.  See you there!

moran@hal-pc.org


Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 22:28:51 -0500
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: hniaLIVE/disjecta.


hnia are playing at the magic stic
in detroit friday dec 6th.
or is it the magestic. i can never
remember. well anyways they will be there
is what i heard.

is the new disjecta worth sacrafcing food
for? not in the ritualistic way but as in
starving for a day.. thanks.

ps. i think _looking for snags_ is good if that
helps at all..


                ---> [spiral]
                99lear@lab.cc.wmich.edu

Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 19:32:49 +0000
From: moran@hal-pc.org
Subject: Re: Slowdive auction again


> If people have the money and want to pay, let 'em.
I agree.
>
> However, to be fair, I don't think minimum bids are a good idea;
> likewise, accepting high bids post-auction is absolutely unacceptable.
> And increasing your profit by "updating" those who bid is absurd.  Silent
> auction, no minimum.
>
> more fun
>
I think minimum bids are okay, I suppose.  If you think a cd is worth
keeping instead of selling for much less than you'd like to have
gotten then go ahead and post a minimum offer--it's more honest than
telling someone, "oh, I decided your offer wasn't good enough so I'm
going to keep it."  That sucks.  Personally, I wouldn't do a minimum
bid.  To me, if something is worth selling it is worth selling at any
price.  And I definately agree that post-auction sales suck.

However, I disagree with the idea that updates are a profit-motive
driven thing.  Rather, they allow you to start the bidding low.  In
the auctions I take part in, I prefer to take part in open,
competitive bidding.  Of the at least 10 or so cds I have auctioned
over the net, only one has developed into a serious bidding war, and
again that allowed the participants to decide whether the item was
worth the money to them and, as Read wrote, if you have the money to
spend...

moran@hal-pc.org

Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 17:35:38 -0800
From: Ellen Turpin-Dennig (roxie@CRUZIO.COM)
Subject: Re: Whatever...


At 11:20 AM 12/2/96 EST, Alan Daniel wrote:
  why are you so worried about how music is classified?
>i could care less if the entire world likes the music i do.  why does
>it matter?  i listen to bands solely based on... get this... the music.
>
>alan
>.-
>
>

That's a new one...you like bands based on the _music_?!?!?!
Very strange...I thought it was the cool thing to go after the image,
or whatever the trendies aren't doing.  Guess my info source is unreliable.
All this time I thought is was cool to like the bands all my friends liked.
Hmm....


all in fun



+=-+=-+=-+=-+=-+=-+=-+=-+=-+=-+=-+=-+=-+=-+=-+=-+=-+=-+=-+=-+=-+=-+=-+=-+

Ellen Turpin-Dennig         "I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast!"
roxie@cruzio.com                  -"You eat shit for breakfast?!"
                                     --Happy Gilmore
+=-+=-+=-+=-+=-+=-+=-+=-+=-+=-+=-+=-+=-+=-+=-+=-+=-+=-+=-+=-+=-+=-+=-+=-+
BLUE MEANIES ROCK!!!! But you already knew that...


Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 20:47:52 -0800
From: Michael Flowers (liftlabs@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Mai Pen Rai cd 4 sale


one mai pen rai cd for sale. If you would like to buy it contact me at
liftlabs@earthlink.net  (I am not on this mail list so you must e-mail
me) Ive seen them for $75.00          but make me an offer
                                                Thank You
P.S. it is a lovely blue one.....


Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 10:00:36 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Whatever...


Alison writes:
>SO, what have you heard out there that is completely original and
>absolutely untouched by human hands??  Absolutely nothing, since it is
>not possible.

Obviously. But there's a huge gulf you've just totally ignored between
mainstream alternacrap and that "untouched by human hands" limit. Too
bad, since that's where all the interesting stuff lies.

>Nothing you'll ever hear on any radio,
>no matter how out of the mainstream it boasts of being, is really that
>original, or else it would not even be played.

You must not live in an area with any good college stations. Here in
Silicon Valley (college radio center of the universe) I can choose
between four good stations and hear Muslimgauze on one, Godflesh on
another, Jessamine on another, and Boss Hogg on the last. Yum. I'll grant
that Boss Hogg aren't that original (although "I Dig You" is a great PJ
Harvey-esque rave up) but the other three are pretty out there by the
standards of any of the 'good' bands you've mentioned and would never get
commercial airplay...

>I guess what I've tried to say is that I don't like being programmed by
>the radio and industry gods to the point where anything and everything is
>accepted by the masses as whatever they choose to categorize it as.
>I suppose I am nostalgic for the days when nobody gave you a palate of
>stuff to choose from; you actually had to go and really seek it out.

I can't imagine when those days were. Certainly not in this century! In
the few centuries before that you got live music in one of a variety of
very traditional styles, or classical music from one of a very few
composers around at the time (if you were wealthy.) And before then you
generally had the Church deciding what you could listen to -- in general
only particular styles of harmony were legally allowed to be performed.

And guess what, you really _do_ have to go and seek out music if you want
anything good. I think that's the point you've been making. Just forget
about the crap on the radio and start haunting the weirdo record stores
looking for neat obscure stuff mentioned on lists like this one and
pure-impure.

__________          ___________________          ________________________
Jens Alfke          Recovering C++ User          jens@apple.com     [work]
                                                 jens@mooseyard.com [play]

      Goodnight stars   Goodnight air   Goodnight noises everywhere
                                            _____________________________
                                            http://www.mooseyard.com/Jens/

Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 20:45:36 -0800
From: Snarlo (repetti@UCLINK4.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Bros. Quay Institute Benjamenta in T.O.


To counter this opinion (which as all opinions are, subjective), I highly
recommend seeing "Institute Benjamenta"...it is over the top pretentious a
lot of the time, but for visual imagery like you've never seen (eat your
heart out, Disney) it is a must see.  So what that certain sequences are a
bit slow?  What is written below is an extreme exaggeration, especially
coming from someone who hasn't even seen the film!

At 11:05 AM 12/2/96 -0800, you wrote:
>Benjamenta" a few months ago and was pretty disappointed. It's all
>live-action, no animation, and extremely slowly paced. Remember the
>opening scene of the second-season premiere of "Twin Peaks"? Where the
>ancient waiter guy spends seemingly a half hour tiptoeing toward Agent
>Cooper? I gather that most of "Institut Benjamenta" makes that seem like
>a Daffy Duck cartoon by comparison.
>
>Go and rent "City Of Lost Children" instead, if you haven't seen it
>already. It really begs to be seen in a theater on a wide screen, but
>even on teevee it's still incredible. It does have that rusted,
>broken-down quality of the Bros. Quay animation, and it has some
>excellent (computer) animation...
>
>__________          ___________________          ________________________
>Jens Alfke          Recovering C++ User          jens@apple.com     [work]
>                                                 jens@mooseyard.com [play]
>
>  'Time in the shadow of the wing of the thing too big to see, rising.'
>                                            _____________________________
>                                            http://www.mooseyard.com/Jens/
>
>


Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 02:21:54 -0500
From: "Blue Bell's Knoll" (BluBelKnol@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Mai Pen Rai cd 4 sale


In a message dated 96-12-03 01:36:55 EST, you write:

<< one mai pen rai cd for sale. If you would like to buy it contact me at
 liftlabs@earthlink.net  (I am not on this mail list so you must e-mail
 me) Ive seen them for $75.00          but make me an offer
                                                 Thank You
 P.S. it is a lovely blue one.....
  >>
 I too know of one for sale.....   unfortunately he doesn't have net access
and I already have one...so if anyone else is interested  e-mail...he said he
listed to it once and wasn't impressed (more of a Cleopatra label fan he
is)...anyway..I seen it...it does look mint.....and it too is Blue.

if anyone would like to make an offer on this one...please respond privately
and I'll forward them...


~blu

on a similar note...as I mentioned above..I already have the blue one, and a
gold one... I keep seeing the blue though....where are the other 5 or 6
colors and did they have special meanings...like the blue went to radio
stations...the golds to stores etc???


Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 07:57:54 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Bros. Quay Institute Benjamenta in T.O.


Toronto Listies:

I just thought I would pass on to you that the Bros. Quay's
full length feature Institute Benjamenta will be playing at
the AGO in Toronto this FRIDAY DEC 6, 7 & 9pm, SATURDAY DEC 7, 7 & 9pm
and SUNDAY DEC 8  2 pm matinee.

See You there.
Steve

I do apologize for quoting the wrong dates before.

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and start spouting universal truths without qualification"
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Stop messing with the f**kin' lights"
                               -Future Sound of London on "ISDN"


Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 09:38:40 -0500
From: Matt/Summer Holiday (mdwalbur@student.berklee.edu)
Subject: RHP Live in Boston


Just a little review of the RHP show last night in Boston...

It was a strange set...  Mark opened with "The Little Drummer Boy" and
then "Strawberry Hill."  Then the band came on and played "24"  It was a
heavy mood... Mark and most of the band were sick and their spirits
seemed low.  They mostly played reallllllllyyyyyy long versions of
already long songs... "Evil" and a new one "Yellow Eyes?"

THey did'nt play any songs from "Blue Guitar" or "Ocean Beach."  In
fact, the only album tracks were "24", "Mistress", "Evil", "Uncle Joe"
and "Strawberry Hill."  they played some other covers including "White
Christmas" And Another untitled new one (NOT Colvita)

All in all I still loved it but the Band seemed really down.


Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:40:02 -0500
From: lee harvey fnordwald (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: sliding and diving


On Mon, 2 Dec 1996, jawolfe wrote:

>
> Not to mention who cares what anyone  listens to, musical taste is
> abitrary,there is no rhyme or reason why I like Deep and Holy Smoke and you do
't,
> it's just personal taste.

        i feel compelled by a combination of nothing better to do
        and deep personal affection to add $.02 regarding Peter Murphy:

        he rules, okay?!?

        and speaking of ex-bauhausers, i wonder if
        any of you fellow listies knows anything about love
        and rockets reportedly signing to a lable called
        'red aunt entertainment,' and having a(nother) lp out
        in january?





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 Did gyre and gymble in the wabe:               daniel klyn
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:34:25 +0600
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Bros. Quay Institute Benjamenta in T.O.

              2 Dec 1996 20:45:36 -0800

In reply to Jens' scepticism, Snarlo writes:
>   To counter this opinion (which as all opinions are,
>   subjective), I highly recommend seeing "Institute
>   Benjamenta"..
>   So what
>   that certain sequences are a bit slow?  What is written
>   below is an extreme exaggeration, especially coming from
>   someone who hasn't even seen the film!

Okay, i'll agree with Jens on two counts.  (1) The slow scenes in Twin Peaks
would lap Institute Bejamenta in a motorcar race, (2) If you're looking to be
"entertained" then City of Lost Children is a wonderful alternative.

BUT if you're looking to be challenged then see IB.  Here's the review i wrote a
while back on this list.  It seems that the turnover rate for this list has
dramatically increased of late, so i'm reposting it.

>           I saw the first Brothers Quay full-length live
>   action film, *Institute Benjamenta*, yesterday and it
>   wasn't at all what i was thinking it would be. I'd liken
>   the film to a photonovel in which you view a series of
>   very artful black and white photos (or Max Ernst collage
>   series).  Each photo by itself is rather beautiful to
>   look at but the pace is slow and there is much room for
>   interpretation in the plot (the passive viewer may
>   indeed find the story line befuddling).
>
>            The film itself is beautifully shot in black
>   and white, while sound is used half for artful effect, a
>   quarter for overdubbed narration, and a quarter for
>   dialogue.  Many of the shots seem like they ought to be
>   a This Mortal Coil video with wonderful use of
>   chiaroscuro and texture.  Plot takes a second seat to
>   symbolism--i think i'll have to see this film again in
>   order to understand it.  Imagine a Jean Cocteau film
>   where surrealism is used with much more subtlety
>   (perhaps too much subtlety) with as much or more obscure
>   symbolism. This film sets Bros. Quay *apart* from
>   Hollywood and it's bastard child "indpendent film" by
>   not pandering to select interest groups, pre-proven
>   formulae, or shortening attention spans.  The Quay
>   animation shorts may have had an accessibility that this
>   film lacks but if you're interested in Cocteau/City of
>   Lost Children/Brazil/This Mortal Coil-esque cinema and
>   have *faith* that the brothers aren't just pulling your
>   leg, then you will be well advised to see this film.
>   -cz


Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 23:08:40 +0100
From: Rolando Michelazzi (rolit@MBOX.VOL.IT)
Subject: Re: Slowdive auction again


With regard to the Slowdive rare or pseudo-rare EP's, does someone knows if
the wrong-pressed copies of their first EP's (those with the music from
Swervedriver's album "Raise") are worth more or less then the right ones?

Ciao.
Rolando.

Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 18:12:03 EST
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: New Gus Gus Promo


        Don't know much about this one, but this month's Muzik magazine lists a
new promo cassette by Gus Gus. It's an LFO mix of 'Believe' which sounds one
shit-hot concept to me. Anyone heard it, or seen a copy?

- Dez


Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 17:33:44 +0500
From: susan marie mcgowan (sumcgowa@VT.EDU)
Subject: Re: slowdive auction again


greetings everyone.
just a snippet of advice for all you fellow slowdivers out there who're
still scouring the earth for the 'holding our breath' ep...don't give up!  i
managed to luck upon a completely autographed copy (of the 'original'
line-up; i.e. with drummer simon) in a used cd shop a few months back for
the economical price of $10!  hee-hee!
(now, if i could just find 'blue day'...)
that is all.    ~susan.

Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 17:35:32 -0600
From: Andrew Stephen Barg (umbarg01@CC.UMANITOBA.CA)
Subject: Re: sliding and diving


On Mon, 2 Dec 1996, jawolfe wrote:

> Not too mention who cares what anyone  listens to, musical taste is
> abitrary,there is no rhyme or reason why I like Deep and Holy Smoke and you do
't,
> it's just personal taste.

It really surprises me to hear this view expressed here.  Or anywhere.
How can you say stuff like this?!?  If all music is of equal value (if,
indeed, anything that anybody should choose to present as music is of
equal value) then why do so many people waste so much time worrying about
what they listen to?  Are they just stupid?

Andrew


Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 17:38:19 CST6DST
From: PEREZ GUTIERREZ JORGE HUMBERTO (AR24051@LHP.GDL.ITESO.MX)
Subject: TWP/ hnia questions


   I want to ask a few questions that bother  me today

   1. What is HNIA's  Albino Alligator ( it's a Kevin Spacey movie, i
think) ?

   2: The Rema Rema ep it's a worth value, it's like early TWP or
it's totally different?

   3. I'm looking for the following items that are hard to find here
in Mexico ( well almost anything on 4ad is hard to find here):
   The Wolfgang Press   A girl like you ep. ( the uk version )
   BC Gilbert and Graham Lewis   8 time
   That Dog   That Dog  ( guernica)
If someone want to sell it to me i offer money ( we can make a deal )
or i could change it for the following items:
   Throwing Muses  ( debut)
   Colourbox
   Uvs   Rev /  Joy 1967 - 1990
   Pixies Timeless stars  ( includes first peel session and two very
rare tracks)
All above are new mint and worth value.

   4. Which is the best of the Scheer singles?

And finally, i've recently bought the gus gus single, the underground
lovers album and the paladins.
The gus gus it's pretty good and i can hardly wait for the album.
 The underground lovers it's very good too and  i recommend it; and the
paladins, well, the truth it's that is not as bad as i though but
it's very weird to found this kind of music wearing the 4ad logo.

Thank you for read this shit, and i hope to get the answers to my
questions.

Viva el Galaxie 500!!!

Jorge Humberto

" I found a new friend underneath my pillow"
They Might be giants