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Subject: EoST/Guy Fixsen/Laika
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 17:01:45 -0800
From: laika, 100421.2477@compuserve.com
Subject: Re: IMPORTANT NEWS! PLEASE READ!
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 23:55:57 -0500
From: Ellen Turpin-Dennig (roxie@CRUZIO.COM)
Subject: White Supremacists
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:47:52 GMT
From: Teresa Jorgen (Teresa_Jorgen@oui.com)
Subject: Re: Mojave 3
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 05:45:12 +0100
From: chief@LYSATOR.LIU.SE
Subject: Re: Whatever...
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 00:28:35 -0800
From: alison lorraine (alison@PIL.NET)
Subject: Re: 4AD-Detox? Aeroplane 12''?
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 02:23:30 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Half String
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 02:29:10 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Tanya Donelly and Ivo's fiesty wife
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 02:52:17 -0800
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: "Million Mile" long post...
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:11:14 -0800
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: half string: live in LA / website
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 03:27:11 -0700
From: Brandon Capps (bcapps@PRIMENET.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD-Detox? Aeroplane 12''?
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 12:00:25 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Sloan
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 19:07:10 -0500
From: superbacana (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Balanescu Quartet
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 08:34:33 -0800
From: hesse (962205@CENCO1.ULIMA.EDU.PE)
Subject: Re: 4AD-Detox? Aeroplane 12''?
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 09:46:40 -0500
From: Creig Jacobson (CreigJ@AOL.COM)
Subject: lewis carrol
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 19:02:58 PST
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)

Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 17:01:45 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Fwd: EoST/Guy Fixsen/Laika


Because I am such a nice guy I will forward this message Guy Fixsen sent
to the pure-impure list......  --Jens


Subject: EoST/Guy Fixsen/Laika

From: laika, 100421.2477@compuserve.com Sorry it's taken so long to get back to the list... Where to start? I saw Jan (EoST) last night - he is in London demoing new material. He has a completely new band, including a new American singer who lives in Prague. I think their future with Go! Discs relies on these demos. Unfortunately I forgot to get an e-mail contact - hopefully I will have one in the next few days (for Patrick Ziegelmueller to do a fanzine interview and for ? to set up a EoST web page). To answer other questions, some production/engineering I've done: the first Rollerskate Skinny album, Breeders' Safari, Throwing Muses live album, Telescopes Untitled (great lost album!), Moonshake's Eva Luna, Air Miami LP, Dog Faced Hermans last and final LP, spent a year engineering MBV's Loveless, etc... Recently recorded a LP by King Cobb Steelie (great spacey, dubby rock music - out sometime early in 1997). Regarding Graham Sutton, we could probably pass on messages as our press person Tony Morley also runs Leaf records, as well as doing in-house press for 4AD. An altogether handy person for most of the records talked about on this list! Don't know how many copies of the Red Hot Remixes 12" (w/DJ Krush, Laika, Skylab, etc) were actually for sale - I think most of them got promo'd to DJs - although I know the Rough Trade Shop has some in London. BUT on the Laika single coming out in the UK in January (Pure CD and 7" 67), the 4-track CD has our version of "Looking for the Jackalope" plus the Jack Dangers remix - the 7" only has our version of the track with the new A-side called Breather. Oh, and Patrick, you should still be able to get the first Laika record in Germany - it goes through Rough Trade Deutschland. Or order direct from Too Pure at 3a Highbury Crescent, London N5 1RN england - any demos or other stuff anyone might want to send me (as a producer) or Laika (for supports, etc), or any correspondence! (Wilder Gonzales Agreda, please send a tape!) Or e-mail us questions, interviews etc - this compuserve address is my and Margaret's home e-mail account. Margaret never really gets back to Connecticut - she's been living in London for over 7 years and her family has all moved out West. For the record, I'm English, born and raised in Bath and moved to London in my early twenties to work in a recording studio. To BiZ, we already have a web page - thanks for the offer to set up one for us - it's on American Recordings' server - http://american.recordings.com - follow the Too Pure logo/arrow until you find Laika! Unfortunately we haven't updated it in ages so the new release news is wrong, but one of our projects in the next few weeks is to update it with sound files from the new album, new photos, lyrics and stuff. I don't really know what's up with Air Miami - haven't heard from them in a while. I think Mark's presently more concerned with his label, Teenbeat, than being in a band. OK - answer everybody's questions?! - Guy Fixsen

Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 23:55:57 -0500
From: Ellen Turpin-Dennig (roxie@CRUZIO.COM)
Subject: Re: IMPORTANT NEWS! PLEASE READ!


At 07:26 PM 11/25/96 +0100, Milosz Zielinski wrote:
>>
>>
>>No subject line is necessary.  Please read this thing!
>>
>>Pass this on!!!!!
>>
>>        A group of NEO-NAZIS are trying to form a newsgroup on Usenet called
>>rec.music.white-power", so that they can get their message of hate out to
>>young people using the Internet. Newsgroups are public discussions on the
>>Internet and their
>>formation requires enough support from the Internet community.
>>
>>        EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US HAS ONE VOTE when it comes to creating a
>>new Usenet group.  I hope you will vote NO and thereby tell these NAZIS we
>>don't want their stuff on the net.  Below is the procedure, please repost
>>this plea and get the NO vote out.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I heard that this was already voted NO on by a ratio of
about 100 to 1.  Someone told me that ended months ago....



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Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 10:59:16 -0800
From: alison lorraine (alison@PIL.NET)
Subject: VOTE NO


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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 19:42:43 -0800 (PST)
From: "B. Ackley" (juandice@u.washington.edu)
Subject: [NO CHURCH Content] Fwd: no vote (fwd)




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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:47:52 GMT
From: Teresa Jorgen (Teresa_Jorgen@oui.com)
Subject: Fwd: FWD>White Supremacists -For (fwd)


Subject: White Supremacists


This takes 30 seconds to do and is worth it...

Please take a moment to read this -- it concerns a vote for a white
supremacist Usenet newsgroup.  If you have a moment, I would urge you
to vote NO, according to the instructions below, and to forward this
message to others.

     A group of NEO-NAZIS are trying to form a newsgroup on
Usenet called "rec.music.white-power", so that they can get their
message of hate out to young people using the Internet.
Newsgroups are public discussions on the Internet and their
formation requires enough support from the Internet community.

EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US HAS ONE VOTE when it comes
to creating a new Usenet group.  I hope you will vote NO and
thereby tell these NAZIS we don't want their stuff on the net..
Below is the procedure, please repost this plea and get the NO vote out.
If you want to see the official call for votes, you can try on
"news.group".

DO NOT VOTE TWICE - that would constitute voting fraud.

HOW TO VOTE:

Send e-mail (posts to newsgroups are invalid) to:

music-vote@sub-rosa.com

This is an impartial, third party vote taker.
Please check the address before you mail your vote. Your mail
message,  to be accepted by the counting computer,  must
contain only the following statement with no signature:

      I vote NO on rec.music.white-power

Vote counting is automated.  Failure to follow these
directions may mean that your vote does not get counted.  If you do not
receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the
votetaker about the problem.  It's your responsibility to make sure
your vote is registered correctly.

Here's what Canada's George Burdi, of the neo-Nazi Heritage
Front, had to say about this vote, on February 21, on his
RESISTANCE mailing list:
   "There is a call for votes coming on rec.music.white-power
in the next week or so, and you will be notified in a special
issue of RREN exactly what to do.  FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS
TO THE LETTER.  Let me be perfectly blunt and state that we
have more than enough net-nazis to win this thing handsdown.   But
every one of you must vote YES!  And just voting yes means nothing
unless you do it properly.  So you have been forewarned.  The
instructions are coming to your email box soon, and they are not
complicated.  Just follow them as told, and we will have a WP
music  newsgroup finally!"

If Mr. Burdi's confidence disturbs you, please give this letter the widest
possible distribution, and help us deliver the largest NO vote in the
history of the UseNet.

Thanks

Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 05:45:12 +0100
From: chief@LYSATOR.LIU.SE
Subject: Re: Mojave 3



> I was reading Tanya Donelly's show review and someone mentioned
> that Mojave 3 sang lots of new stuff, have they released anything
> yet, I only have their first one. How many singles have they released?
> how many EP's?

They haven't released anything since the album. Their new album is
planned to be released in March 1997 (with a single or two before that).
They are currently recording the new album (and playing a few gigs
in the UK now and then).

> I'm sort of new to this list, so I don't really know if this is okay or what
> have you (I apologize for sounding square).  I was just wondering if there
> is anyone out there who has any chords to any Mojave 3 songs, especially
> "Mercy" and "Tomorrow's Taken".  I would really appreciate it if you could
> send them to me...

I guess it's about that time again. :-)

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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 00:28:35 -0800
From: alison lorraine (alison@PIL.NET)
Subject: Re: Whatever...


Jeremy L Orr wrote:
>
> ---from alison lorraine:
>
> > I guess I am just pissed off that the reason why these REAL
> "alternative" bands
> > aren't doing so well commercially is that there are too many fake
> ones--examples
> > being Fiona Apple (they play her on the "alt" stations around here, but
> she is far
> > from it), Alannis Morrissette (don't know if I spelled her name right
> and really don't
> > care--she ain't no alterna-chick, more like just an angry,
> harmonica-sucking former
> > dance clone), Metallica, Bush, Alice in Chains and the like (heavy
> metal); I could
> > go on and on.
>
> Well, seeing as how this is at least your third post saying pretty much
> the exact same thing (right down to the adjectives), I think you've got
> the "going on and on" down pat.

Well, excuse me for our server being down and having to submit three or
four times before all of them got thru.

Technical difficulties+sheer pissed-offedness=REDUNDANCY.
>
> > The real deal alties are bands like the Muses and Belly, the Church,
> Peter Murphy,
> > etc.  I don't know whose idea it was to repackage just about anybody as
> > "alternative" but it sucks hard.
>
> Maybe I'm alone in this sentiment, but I wouldn't consider Belly to be
> any more "alternative" than, say, Bush.  Both are signed to big major
> labels, both had considerable success with their *first* American
> singles, both are/were MTV darlings...and let's face it: Tanya Donelly is
> simply no longer an adventurous songwriter (especially when compared to
> Kristin Hersh).  Granted, I haven't heard her new "effort" yet, and if
> it's good, I'll be the first to sing its praises...but I've had my gutful
> of her since the first time I heard "Not Too Soon".  And Belly is just
> more of the same uninteresting and indistinguishable jangly guitar rock
> dressed up with a pretty singer that I was sick of years ago.  If we had
> just heard Belly without knowing of her past in Throwing Muses, would we

SO, what have you heard out there that is completely original and
absolutely untouched by human hands??  Absolutely nothing, since it is
not possible.

> have ever given a shit in the first place?  Not likely.  They'd just be
> VH1 darlings instead, sandwiched between Melissa Etheridge, Don Henley,

This right here is my point exactly.  I have heard many alternatives
being 'shoveled out' on many occasions on both VH1 and AAA radio,
in-between these so-called pleasantries.  The major record labels have
corrupted the entire genre.


> *shudder* Deep Blue Something, Hootie & the Blowfish, or whatever bland
> pleasantries are being shoveled out via AAA radio this week.
>
> I'm as sick of the alternative-ization of the mainstream as anyone else
> (not to mention the A-word in general).  But I'm also equally sick of
> once-worthwhile artists still being sold as alternative when they clearly
> are not.  Once something has been consumed into mainstream culture, IT IS

Once again, my point exactly.

> NO LONGER "ALTERNATIVE" (see also: R.E.M.).
>
> ---Jeremy 

I never thought Belly to be the most unabashedly talented band in the
world, or even 'adventuresome'.  Nothing you'll ever hear on any radio,
no matter how out of the mainstream it boasts of being, is really that
original, or else it would not even be played.

I guess what I've tried to say is that I don't like being programmed by
the radio and industry gods to the point where anything and everything is
accepted by the masses as whatever they choose to categorize it as.

I suppose I am nostalgic for the days when nobody gave you a palate of
stuff to choose from; you actually had to go and really seek it out.

a l i s o n         "...down to Gehenna or up to the throne
l         o          she travels fastest who travels alone..."
i         s
s         i
o         l
n o s i l a

Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 02:23:30 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD-Detox? Aeroplane 12''?


In a message dated 96-11-27 23:35:27 EST, you write:

<< the Aeroplane CD/12" is the 3rd release on Detox...the first 2 I believe
were
 Touchan and Stellar (haven't heard them yet)

 Aeroplane's "Signs of Life" contains 4 mixes of the titled track and feature
 vocals by Heidi Berry, who shares writing credits.
 It's neat hearing Heidi in this genre...it works for her.  Check it out if
 you have the opportunity.

 For those who are interested, the catalogue #s are apparently running
 according to year and # of release.  Being the 3rd release on Detox this
 year, Aeroplane received DTX 9603 as it's identity.

 I called 4ad about the last time the Detox topic came about on the list.
 They said that they have no offshoot label at this time.  Also, they had
never heard of Detox.  They were adament about the whole thing saying if it
was a 4ad offshoot, we would be able to order it from the mail order.  So
they say it is probably a hoax.

Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 02:29:10 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Half String


Just a note.
People should go out now and buy Half String's new album.  It is one of the
best non-4ad stuff I have heard.  It is up there for me with Joy Division,
Breathless, and Echo and the Bunnymen.  Get it.


Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 02:52:17 -0800
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Tanya Donelly and Ivo's fiesty wife

A49408

The MSN Online Tonight Tanya Donelly Chat (11/18/96) posted by Brett in
Throwing Music's Feedback Forum.  Thanks, Brett!

Hi welcome to the Tanya Donelly chat!

hello

hello tanya how ya doin

i'm fine how are you

good but a bit chilly

me too

When did you first pick up a guitar and why?

i started playing when i was 15 because i was bored and lonely

did you not enjoy your playtime then

there is very little playtime where i come from

Can you tell us about your early relationship with Kristen as a half
sister, before your first band?

kristin and i were friends before we became sisters...

we were 6 when we met and we haven't stopped talking since

I know you started your first band when you were only fifteen so do you
have any suggestions or advice for wannabes who would like to get into
the music industry?


the music industry is very mysterious to me even now...

it's random and fickle.

its stranger to outsiders, give us something

concentrate on songs first of all, and play your butt off and send tapes
and tapes and tapes and don't be easily cowed

top answer never be put off the hairbear bunch wern't

What is your favorite Throwing Muses album?What is your favorite
Throwing Muses album?

house tornado house tornado

why?

it's the spookiest and the instrumentation is great (i think)

what are your top 5 favourite cartoons?

ren and stimpy, the simpsons, bugs bunny...

real monsters, and josie and the pussycats

Alternative rock has hit the big time over the last few years. Have you
found any of the new breed of bands inspiring?

i like radiohead, the catherine wheel, ...

pj harvy

kim deal

what do you think of oasis

he writes really great songs

and the other he is a great rock star

did you prefer belly to the muses and the breeders?

i'm going to make you throw up and say that i'm equally proud of
everything i've done, ...

but of course belly was closer to my heart

Ask Tanya if her new stuff is similar to her work in Belly. Cheers lads!

i used more instruments and the people who play them on this record...

there are some (tasteful) strings and loops and machines

is it strange not working with a band

as opposed to session musicians

it's starnge using my name on it's own, which i wanted to avoid...

but i've really loved playing with a variety of musicians

why do you want to avoid using your own name

i don't use session musicians -- my friends played everything

i feel more exposed with my name out there

you chose belly cos it was your fave word what's your fave word now

wine

Dear Tanya - When are you playing London, belly 8 thought it might be
Camden this month?

how about more wine

please

i'm playing dingwall's on thursday (i think)

is there a band called wine?

we don't think so and we know loads

someone should nab it

Tanya, what would you have used for a stage name if not Tanya Donelly?

somebody out there name your band wine right now

Host JoBarry_MSN:
lol

taffy

Question to Tanya- Are you thinking of doing anymore work with kim deal?

i'm wouldn't avoid it, but kim and i are pretty separately busy

Do you think Shearer is worth =A315million?

i don't know who that is

steve morton is a nail-biter


he's englands football captain

i'm sure he's well worth every cent

Tanya do you like styles of music like Dina carroll or do you think they
are Spammy?????

again, i have to plead ignorance -- who is she

she makes the kind of music we'll never play

then i don't like it

The listener of an album often associates it with a time in their lives.
Does the same apply only more so for the artist?

absolutely. i can't listen to certain things without regressing

e.g

the first muses record was made at a scary time for me and so was star
and i was tipsy all through pod and making weird personal choices

if the sky wasn't blue what colour would it be?

blood red

Is there such thing as a perfect album? Once an album is finished and
put out can you switch off from the creative process?

music is kinetic and so it's impossible (i think) to perfectly record
something that moves so constantly

Drug problems seem to have been hounding the US rock scene recently
(Jimmy Chamberline, Kristen Pfaff, Kurt etc), how have you managed to
avoid it all? Is the drug scene kind of thrust onto all rock stars?

musicians are targeted in drug issues because they are a public focus
anyway, ...

drugs are everywhere

what top 3 things would you insist on having in your dressing room?

water, wine, and cheese

When you teamed up with Kim Deal to form the Breeders you must have felt
that you were in the ultimate supergroup, especially after the release
of "Pod". Was it difficult to keep the Muses going at the same time?

when i was a breeder, it was strictly a side project

ah but kim deal said it was never intended as a side project

steve morton is a nose-picker

she's revising, then

Once you=92d left both the Muses and the Breeders both bands carried on
regardless. That must have brought home the fact that no band member is
indispensable. Was that difficult to handle? Did you keep thinking "Oh I
wouldn=92t have played that like that".

no band member is dispensable if the band in question is strong

i meant indispensable i really did i can't type


jo_
Ask Tanya how Ivo is,and what he's up to

we'll let you off

ivo is happy and healthy and well and living with his lovely and fiesty
wife in l.a.

what's the most digusting thing you've ever done at a party?

i burned off my eyebrows trying to light a cig

What are the main reasons for you going solo?

we all needed to do other things and we were about to implode

Ask Tanya about her shoulder pads,fashion plus or minus,we should vote
now!

shoulder pads are not for the weak-hearted

Touring for so long sometimes, do songs lose their personality and
become a sequence of things to do?

i try very very hard not to let this happen, but sometimes i do robot
through and that sucks

tell us about your new single burn

the song itself or the ep?

the song!!!!!!!!!

it's about brats and the ruthless pruning of them

what about its double meaning

all in good fun, of course

what is us brits don't get it man

it's a loaded word, to be sure

bum has three meanings in the states -- A) one's ass B) a homeless
person C) a loser and user

i am referring to the latter

C

we were just joking

we just couldn't believe the title

What is your favourite drink?

wine

water

cheese

Tanya- If we call our band Wine, will you jam with us ?

that depends -- where are you and are you any good

When will your new material be released in North America? And when do
you plan to tour over here? I'm especially hoping you visit Canada.

the e.p. will be on import in N.A. and the album comes out in March

Are your parents musical and did they have much influence on you and
Kristin's choice of "career"?

both of our fathers play guitar and her dad is a great songwriter on his
own...

Will you always be guitar orientated or can you see a time when you
experiment with other formats?

i think the fact that nothing was expected of us helped?

what was your nick name at skool?

i'm interested in getting into the "other side" more

t

Tanya-We live near cambridge and we are s*it

come to my cambridge (MA) and get better

when is your single and album due for release?

the single is Nov. 25 and the album is March

thanks aload top lass! hope to see you again love the hairbears

love from me and thank you much

thank you

Bye

Host ajackson:
Thanks Tanya and many thanks Jamie and Justin - Top job lads!

Jeff Keibel
Scarborough, ON
CANADA
redshift@interlog.com

Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:11:14 -0800
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: "Million Mile" long post...

A38752

LUSH
"Topolino"
76974 2110 - 2, CD only
4AD/PolyGram
out now!

Canada has an exclusive once again with this collection of B-sides and
extra tracks from their recent "Lovelife" project.  Released only in
Japan up until now, PolyGram added four more tracks and put it out at
special price yet!  Can you say "only in Canada?"

Revised and corrected final tracklisting...

 1. 500 (Shake Baby Shake) (Remix)
 2. I Have The Moon
 3. Ex
 4. I Wanna Be Your Girlfriend (first time on CD!!)
 5. Matador
 6. Outside World
 7. I'd Like To Walk Around In Your Mind
 8. Carmen
 9. Shut Up
10. Cul De Sac
11. Dymystification
12. Tinkerbell

Cocteau Twins release a brand new song called "Touch Upon Touch" on the
forthcoming edition of the Volume CD/magazine.  The song was played on
their last tour.

SLASH and Burn:  London is gradually in the process of accquiring the
back catalogue of Slash, the pioneering California-based label that grew
out of a fanzine.  Coming this month: popular reissues from the likes of
Violent Femmes (didja know that 2 million copies of their debut have
been sold worldwide so far, featuring that song that frat boys
everywhere like to shout along with), Faith No More, Dream Syndicate and
pioneer punkers like Fear, The Germs, The Misfits and X -- some of these
have never been on CD at all before...

The Cardigans keep breaking new ground with "Lovefool" - it features
prominently in Baz "Strictly Ballroom" Luhrmann's new adaptation of
"Romeo and Juliet"...  While in "R&J" mode, check out a friend of mine's
Claire Danes page at http://web.idirect.com/~claire/index.html...

Keep an eye out for issue number 13 (Dec. 1996) of "Internet
Underground" as Kristin Hersh of Throwing Muses talks about the ultra
dedicated fan base "community" built around the Throwing Music site.
The site is well reviewed in the issue.  The site is at

The Toronto Red House Painters and His Name Is Alive gig at Lee's Palace
on December 4th is selling really well, so don't wait too long to get
tix. There is an apparently very strict photo ID rule in effect, so be
ready for it.  See you there!

The MSN Online Tonight Tanya Donelly Chat (11/18/96) posted by Brett in
Throwing Music's Feedback Forum.  Thanks, Brett!

Hi welcome to the Tanya Donelly chat!

hello

hello tanya how ya doin

i'm fine how are you

good but a bit chilly

me too

When did you first pick up a guitar and why?

i started playing when i was 15 because i was bored and lonely

did you not enjoy your playtime then

there is very little playtime where i come from

Can you tell us about your early relationship with Kristen as a half
sister, before your first band?

kristin and i were friends before we became sisters...

we were 6 when we met and we haven't stopped talking since

I know you started your first band when you were only fifteen so do you
have any suggestions or advice for wannabes who would like to get into
the music industry?

the music industry is very mysterious to me even now...

it's random and fickle.

its stranger to outsiders, give us something

concentrate on songs first of all, and play your butt off and send tapes
and tapes and tapes and don't be easily cowed

top answer never be put off the hairbear bunch wern't

What is your favorite Throwing Muses album?What is your favorite
Throwing Muses album?

house tornado house tornado

why?

it's the spookiest and the instrumentation is great (i think)

what are your top 5 favourite cartoons?

ren and stimpy, the simpsons, bugs bunny...

real monsters, and josie and the pussycats

Alternative rock has hit the big time over the last few years. Have you
found any of the new breed of bands inspiring?

i like radiohead, the catherine wheel, ...

pj harvy

kim deal

what do you think of oasis

he writes really great songs

and the other he is a great rock star

did you prefer belly to the muses and the breeders?

i'm going to make you throw up and say that i'm equally proud of
everything i've done, ...

but of course belly was closer to my heart

Ask Tanya if her new stuff is similar to her work in Belly. Cheers lads!

i used more instruments and the people who play them on this record...

there are some (tasteful) strings and loops and machines

is it strange not working with a band

as opposed to session musicians

it's starnge using my name on it's own, which i wanted to avoid...

but i've really loved playing with a variety of musicians

why do you want to avoid using your own name

i don't use session musicians -- my friends played everything

i feel more exposed with my name out there

you chose belly cos it was your fave word what's your fave word now

wine

Dear Tanya - When are you playing London, belly 8 thought it might be
Camden this month?

how about more wine

please

i'm playing dingwall's on thursday (i think)

is there a band called wine?

we don't think so and we know loads

someone should nab it

Tanya, what would you have used for a stage name if not Tanya Donelly?

somebody out there name your band wine right now

Host JoBarry_MSN:
lol

taffy

Question to Tanya- Are you thinking of doing anymore work with kim deal?

i'm wouldn't avoid it, but kim and i are pretty separately busy

Do you think Shearer is worth =A315million?

i don't know who that is

steve morton is a nail-biter


he's englands football captain

i'm sure he's well worth every cent

Tanya do you like styles of music like Dina carroll or do you think they
are Spammy?????

again, i have to plead ignorance -- who is she

she makes the kind of music we'll never play

then i don't like it

The listener of an album often associates it with a time in their lives.
Does the same apply only more so for the artist?

absolutely. i can't listen to certain things without regressing

e.g

the first muses record was made at a scary time for me and so was star
and i was tipsy all through pod and making weird personal choices

if the sky wasn't blue what colour would it be?

blood red

Is there such thing as a perfect album? Once an album is finished and
put out can you switch off from the creative process?

music is kinetic and so it's impossible (i think) to perfectly record
something that moves so constantly

Drug problems seem to have been hounding the US rock scene recently
(Jimmy Chamberline, Kristen Pfaff, Kurt etc), how have you managed to
avoid it all? Is the drug scene kind of thrust onto all rock stars?

musicians are targeted in drug issues because they are a public focus
anyway, ...

drugs are everywhere

what top 3 things would you insist on having in your dressing room?

water, wine, and cheese

When you teamed up with Kim Deal to form the Breeders you must have felt
that you were in the ultimate supergroup, especially after the release
of "Pod". Was it difficult to keep the Muses going at the same time?

when i was a breeder, it was strictly a side project

ah but kim deal said it was never intended as a side project

steve morton is a nose-picker

she's revising, then

Once you=92d left both the Muses and the Breeders both bands carried on
regardless. That must have brought home the fact that no band member is
indispensable. Was that difficult to handle? Did you keep thinking "Oh I
wouldn=92t have played that like that".

no band member is dispensable if the band in question is strong

i meant indispensable i really did i can't type


jo_
Ask Tanya how Ivo is,and what he's up to

we'll let you off

ivo is happy and healthy and well and living with his lovely and fiesty
wife in l.a.

what's the most digusting thing you've ever done at a party?

i burned off my eyebrows trying to light a cig

What are the main reasons for you going solo?

we all needed to do other things and we were about to implode

Ask Tanya about her shoulder pads,fashion plus or minus,we should vote
now!

shoulder pads are not for the weak-hearted

Touring for so long sometimes, do songs lose their personality and
become a sequence of things to do?

i try very very hard not to let this happen, but sometimes i do robot
through and that sucks

tell us about your new single burn

the song itself or the ep?

the song!!!!!!!!!

it's about brats and the ruthless pruning of them

what about its double meaning

all in good fun, of course

what is us brits don't get it man

it's a loaded word, to be sure

bum has three meanings in the states -- A) one's ass B) a homeless
person C) a loser and user

i am referring to the latter

C

we were just joking

we just couldn't believe the title

What is your favourite drink?

wine

water

cheese

Tanya- If we call our band Wine, will you jam with us ?

that depends -- where are you and are you any good

When will your new material be released in North America? And when do
you plan to tour over here? I'm especially hoping you visit Canada.

the e.p. will be on import in N.A. and the album comes out in March

Are your parents musical and did they have much influence on you and
Kristin's choice of "career"?

both of our fathers play guitar and her dad is a great songwriter on his
own...

Will you always be guitar orientated or can you see a time when you
experiment with other formats?

i think the fact that nothing was expected of us helped?

what was your nick name at skool?

i'm interested in getting into the "other side" more

t

Tanya-We live near cambridge and we are s*it

come to my cambridge (MA) and get better

when is your single and album due for release?

the single is Nov. 25 and the album is March

thanks aload top lass! hope to see you again love the hairbears

love from me and thank you much

thank you

Bye

Host ajackson:
Thanks Tanya and many thanks Jamie and Justin - Top job lads!

Jeff Keibel
Scarborough, ON
CANADA
redshift@interlog.com


Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 03:27:11 -0700
From: Brandon Capps (bcapps@PRIMENET.COM)
Subject: half string: live in LA / website


hello everyone!

here's a couple items of interest for those of you interested in
independent project records and or half string:

1.  half string will be perfoming live in Los Angeles with Dart at No Life
    Records on thursday 12/5 at 7:00pm.  they will also be playing at
    Spacleand on friday 12/6 with Scenic and Dart.  Also listen up for
    a radio performance on KXLU sometime late afternoon on friday 12/6.

2.  a temporary half string web site featuring some sound clips and secret
    photos of band members breakdancing with small furry creatures
    can be visited at 
    be warned that this site is under construction.

                over and out...luv turbo


Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 12:00:25 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: 4AD-Detox? Aeroplane 12''?


Aaron wrote:
>I called 4ad about the last time the Detox topic came about on the list.
>They said that they have no offshoot label at this time.  Also, they had
>never heard of Detox.  They were adament about the whole thing saying if it
>was a 4ad offshoot, we would be able to order it from the mail order.  So
>they say it is probably a hoax.


Well, I got a postcard from Detox IN a package from 4AD Mailorder, listing
the 3 releases so far:

DTX 9601  TOUCAN 'Shine' CD
DTX 9602  STELLAR 'Stellar EP' CD
DTX 9603  AEROPLANE 'Signs Of Life' 12"/CD

then...
Ajax Disco Spanner EP
Bathers LP
Slab SP
Thrush Puppies EP


(...so Trush Puppies haven't signed to 4AD but to Detox.)


The address on the card is:

Detox Artifacts UK
PO Box 12419
London SW18 1FD


Frank
+++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pi.net
+++++++++++++++

Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 19:07:10 -0500
From: superbacana (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Sloan


> they are literally
>Canada's most revered independent band

Which can get a little annoying if you don't happen to think they're all
that great. I think they're too self-consciously retro and trying too hard
to make "pure pop". They also look dorky and the one with the glasses and
the permanent five-o'clock shadow on the upper lip has the worst
nasal-sounding voice ever.


Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 08:34:33 -0800
From: hesse (962205@CENCO1.ULIMA.EDU.PE)
Subject: Re: Balanescu Quartet


no te entiendo loco

Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 09:46:40 -0500
From: Creig Jacobson (CreigJ@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD-Detox? Aeroplane 12''?


> I called 4ad about the last time the Detox topic came about >on the list.
They said that they have no offshoot label at this
>time.  Also, they had never heard of Detox.  They were
>adament about the whole thing saying if it was a 4ad
>offshoot, we would be able to order it from the mail order.
>So they say it is probably a hoax.

Well, with the names of Heidi Berry, Chris Bigg and Timothy O'Donnell on the
sleeve of the Aeroplane disc AND the mailings of release information from
4AD, i find a hoax a VERY unlikely possibility.  Unless they're all hung over
from the Paladins tour and can't remember their own names, either.


Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 19:02:58 PST
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: lewis carrol


dan klyn wrote:

>something sortof funny about this bit from lewis carrol's "jabberwocky."
>i recently read a paper which was discussing apparent chaos (among other
>things), and the observation was made that this seemingly nonsensical
>wordplay is actually a highly structured anglo-saxon wordplay, following
>rhythmical and spelling patterns from the olde tongue.

>the bit in my .sig is excerpted from the standard editon of carrol's
>story, which preserves his original spellings. the double-"y" of bryllyg
>links up with the double-"y" of slythy, and corresponds with a larger
>matrix which runs thru the whole poem. carrol was a mathematician long
>before becoming reknown for storytelling, and it is fascinating that where
>some people see chaotic mumbo-jumbo, others see pattern and meaning.



I thought this was common knowledge. it's not only "jabberwocky". the alice book
 are
packed with mathematical paradoxes, chess riddles, modern physics phenomenons, a
d
most importantly, great poems. books have been written about the subject of the
hidden stuff in "alice in wonderland" and "through the looking glass". unfortuna
ely,
I'm not nearly smart enough to understand these books.

-naor-
"...beware the jabberwock my son..."


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