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Subject: Re: IMPORTANT NEWS! PLEASE READ!
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 20:54:23 -0800
From: Alex Wolfson (ajw6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: alterna-WHAT???
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 21:46:35 -0800
From: alison lorraine (alison@PIL.NET)
Subject: Re: The Glee Club
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 01:17:47 EST
From: Jeremy L Orr (j.orr@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Main(?)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 01:17:47 EST
From: Jeremy L Orr (j.orr@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: Maxell points (no 4AD)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 01:28:13 -0600
From: oteran (oteran@SHRIKE.DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: Modern English & Cocteau Twins for Sale!
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 21:48:32 -0500
From: Dumpo712cd@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Main(?)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 09:34:33 -0800
From: "A. Dean" (a.dean@UK22P.BULL.CO.UK)
Subject: Is 4AD-L dead??
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 11:42:22 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: Main(?)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 09:26:27 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: slidin' & divin"
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:40:21 -0800
From: alison lorraine (alison@PIL.NET)
Subject: Re: 16 days
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:23:03 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Tanya Donelly and Ivo's fiesty wife
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 10:38:29 EST
From: "Steven Hipkiss." (sah577@VMS1.BHAM.AC.UK)
Subject: Kelley Deal 6000
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 19:12:08 EST
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: NEW Cocteau Twins
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 03:50:06 -0800
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: 16 days
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 09:22:50 -0500
From: FA ken clinger (clinger@DUQ2.CC.DUQ.EDU)
Subject: Dead Can Dance
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 11:14:29 -0500
From: Christian Grigis (cgrigis@BLACKNTAN.CGISYSTEMS.COM)
Subject: Re: NEW Cocteau Twins
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 10:43:02 -0800
From: Jack Huynh (jack@NOVOMEDIA.COM)
Subject: Re: sliding and diving
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 22:28:40 -0600
From: Matthew T De Bellis (mdebelli@SHRIKE.DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: Strength of Strings (Balanescu, Nyman, etc.)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 08:46:57 -0500
From: RBNRy@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Tanya Donnelly & Mojave 3
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 14:16:09 EST
From: "Steven Hipkiss." (sah577@VMS1.BHAM.AC.UK)
Subject: personal to"salt on my hide, pennies on my eyes"
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 12:10:26 -0600
From: Steven Szaks (gszaks@UXA.ECN.BGU.EDU)
Subject: Re: alterna-WHAT???
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 19:06:13 -0800
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)

Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 20:54:23 -0800
From: Alex Wolfson (ajw6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: IMPORTANT NEWS! PLEASE READ!


Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:
>
> Milosz Zielinski  writes:
>
> > >        A group of NEO-NAZIS are trying to form a newsgroup on Usenet calle

> > >rec.music.white-power",

Freedom of expression, the Constitution... I wonder if the Internet
existed 200+ years ago if there could have been an alt.endthemonarchy
group supported.  It sad to see that as far as we've come people are
still so naive.

And by the way, on a more listy note, alt.4ad would probably been
overturned by 1000's of happy-go-lucky debbie gibson fans who did not
appreciate the negative photo of two horses fucking on the colorbox comp.
CD.  Think about it -- democracy of the masses is not always pretty.

Alex


--

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Associate Director
Columbia Institute for Tele-Information
809 Uris Hall
New York, NY 10027-7004
212/854-4222
212/854-4368 (direct)
212/932-7816 (fax)
ajw6@columbia.edu


Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 21:46:35 -0800
From: alison lorraine (alison@PIL.NET)
Subject: alterna-WHAT???


I don't know about any of you people, but I am tired of seeing bands like
the muses and belly slammed by magazines (like my latest issue of Rolling
Stone) as being ONE HIT WONDERS.  It is no wonder that these bands are
having problems when anyone and EVERYONE is being classified now as
"alternative"...for instance:

FIONA APPLE: pianist with a jazzy vocal instrument.  Hardly what I call
alternative.

ALANNIS MORRISSETTE:  she ain't no alterna-chick!! Give me a break!!
More like a harmonica-blowing former dance clone who decided to get
angry and scream the choruses to all her songs.  Formulaic, yes,
alternative??? Not.

METALLICA (BUSH, ALICE IN CHAINS, ETC.):  heavy metal repackaged as
alternative.

It kind of makes me angry that the "mainstreaming" of anything "different
sounding" will ultimately be its own undoing.  I personally have more
appreciation for the songwriting craft itself rather than flavor of the
month trendy gimmicks.

a l i s o n
l         o
i         s
s         i
o         l
n o s i l a

Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 01:17:47 EST
From: Jeremy L Orr (j.orr@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: The Glee Club


---from e, with his usual flair for understatement:

> I haven't bouht a rock album this good since maybe The Klaxon or The
Burning
> Circle and Then Dust. Nah, it aint Heaven Up Here and it aint Souvlaki,
but in
> this extended dry spell it is a godsend. I remember when a lot of
people could
> write like this. Slowdive, Swervedriver, the Aphex Twin, the Glee Club,
Lush,
> Strange Boutique, Throwing Muses, U2, Dead Can Dance...

[snip!]

So whatever happened to The Glee Club?  Since their album was actually
worth listening to, I'm assuming they've been dropped by 4AD.  Anyone
have any news to pass along?

---Jeremy 

"Set the table for two"


Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 01:17:47 EST
From: Jeremy L Orr (j.orr@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Main(?)


I read the following in the Aug/Sep issue of Magnet, found in a small
story about Main:

"...the just-issued, U.K.-only _Orr_, credited to [Robert] Hampson, Bruce
Gilbert, and Paul Kendall, dates from '90 and offers a sort of
missing-link peek at the Hampson timeline."

...to which I say "wow!"  So has anyone heard this?  Being a big fan of
Hampson's stuff with Loop and Main, and ditto for Gilbert's work with
Wire and He Said, I'm really curious about this.  The article made no
mention of what label was putting this out...is it Beggars Banquet, or
(just my luck) someone else more obscure?  And seeing as how Orr is also
my last name, I can't help but wonder how they decided upon that word for
a title.

---Jeremy 


Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 01:28:13 -0600
From: oteran (oteran@SHRIKE.DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Maxell points (no 4AD)


I apologize in advance for this message which has nothing to do with 4AD:

I can't find a record store that has any more of those "MAXELL bonus bucks ;
buy $ 25 worth of tapes and you get a $ 10 credit" mail-in order forms.  If
anyone out there is willing to mail me a few of those forms, i will give you
a few (real) bucks which will more than cover the 32 cent stamp.  Obviously,
please e-mail me privately first.  Thanks in advance, and sorry for the
unrelated post.



oteran
oteran@shrike.depaul.edu

---------------------------------------
"I know what I like, I like Fritos"
Reba McEntire
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Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 21:48:32 -0500
From: Dumpo712cd@AOL.COM
Subject: Modern English & Cocteau Twins for Sale!


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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 09:34:33 -0800
From: "A. Dean" (a.dean@UK22P.BULL.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Main(?)


> Main(?)
>
> Jeremy L Orr (j.orr@JUNO.COM)
> Tue, 26 Nov 1996 01:17:47 EST

> "...the just-issued, U.K.-only _Orr_, credited to [Robert] Hampson,
> Bruce Gilbert, and Paul Kendall, dates from '90 and offers a sort of
> missing-link peek at the Hampson timeline."

> ---Jeremy 

there was an advert in the music press last week for ligament iii, i
don't know if this is the same thing under a different name, i doubt
they'd have 2 lps out in so short a time.

andy

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 11:42:22 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Is 4AD-L dead??


It's oh so quiet...


     bla


                   bla



recent records:

-> very dark! His recent live/radio (+ 2 hours) show in Amsterdam was even
greater.
-> strange sleeve

-> Post in remix version: some of the tracks are better than the original...


Emiel Efdee
...
the Netherlands, November 24, 1996
... efdee@luna.nl

Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 09:26:27 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Main(?)

              Nov 26, 96 01:17:47 am

 Jeremy L Orr  wrote on Tue, 26 Nov 1996
 (Subject: Main(?))
 > I read the following in the Aug/Sep issue of Magnet, found in a
 > small story about Main:
 >
 > "...the just-issued, U.K.-only _Orr_, credited to [Robert] Hampson,
 > Bruce Gilbert, and Paul Kendall, dates from '90 and offers a sort
 > of missing-link peek at the Hampson timeline."
 >
 > ...to which I say "wow!" So has anyone heard this?

 I have heard one track, which was less ambient than Main - on a Mute
 sampler given away with "The Wire", which answers your other question -
 it's on Mute or an offshoot thereof.  There's also an album by Paul
 Kendall, long-time Loop/Main associate, under another name which I
 can't remember, in the same series.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England
nja@le.ac.uk


Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:40:21 -0800
From: alison lorraine (alison@PIL.NET)
Subject: Re: slidin' & divin"


I like Tanya's stuff, too--it makes me sad to see magazines like
rolling stone put her & belly under the "one hit wonders"
category--which they just did in their latest issue.

I guess I am just pissed off that the reason why these REAL
"alternative" bands aren't doing so well commercially is that there are
too many fake ones--examples being Fiona Apple (they play her on the
"alt" stations around here, but she is far from it), Alannis
Morrissette (don't know if I spelled her name right and really don't
care--she ain't no alterna-chick, more like just an angry,
harmonica-sucking former dance clone), Metallica, Bush, Alice in Chains
and the like (heavy metal); I could go on and on.  The real deal
alties are bands like the Muses and Belly, the Church, Peter Murphy,
etc.

I don't know whose idea it was to repackage just about anybody as
"alternative" but it sucks hard.

a l i s o n
l         o
i         s
s         i
o         l
n o s i l a


Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:23:03 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: 16 days


Dave Sargent asks:
>btw, is the 16 days single everyone's talking about the song to the siren
>ep or
>the mysterious, ultra rare promo 10 incher that i too passed up a couple of
>years ago and am now kicking myself in the arse for?

The one I had [turns out I sold it for peanuts last year, oh well] is a
12" of "16 Days (Gathering Dust)" and "Song To the Siren" as the b(!)
side.

__________          ___________________          ________________________
Jens Alfke          Recovering C++ User          jens@apple.com     [work]
                                                 jens@mooseyard.com [play]

              Paget saw an Irish tooth, Sir, in a waste gap.
                                            _____________________________
                                            http://www.mooseyard.com/Jens/


Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 10:38:29 EST
From: "Steven Hipkiss." (sah577@VMS1.BHAM.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Tanya Donelly and Ivo's fiesty wife


   Thanks for the transcript. Couple of things caught my attention.
> kenickie:
> Question to Tanya- Are you thinking of doing anymore work with kim deal?
>
> Tanya_Donelly:
> i'm wouldn't avoid it, but kim and i are pretty separately busy

  Is this the Geordie teenagers asking questions from their musical
superiors?

> jo_whiley:
> Ask Tanya about her shoulder pads,fashion plus or minus,we should vote
> now!
>
> Tanya_Donelly:
> shoulder pads are not for the weak-hearted

  Could this be the Radio 1 Evening Session asking fashion questions?
Probably just coincidences, but makes you wonder.

Steve.


Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 19:12:08 EST
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Kelley Deal 6000


        A drunken Saturday night with a portly Kelley Deal. The gig was at the
Hop and Grape in Manchester, and support was from the craply-named Radar
Brothers. Fortunately, their music is better than their name - they play a
mellow Palace/Codeine hybrid including a cover of laughing Len's The Guests.
Good stuff. Apparently there's a new LP out on Restless records which ought to
be worth investigating.
        The 6000 were loose, a bit of a mess in parts, but just about as
exhilarating as straight-ahead rock music gets. Kelley, of course, exuded that
infamous Deal sisters charm and wit, and the set just flew by. I was a little
concerned that the songs that they played that were not on the album seemed very
slight, but the likes of Canyon were superb. For an encore (although not in the
traditional sense - they never actually left) they played a cover of Abba's SOS,
accompanied by boys from the Radar Brothers and assorted women from the
audience. Now that's what I call class. Nights like this remind you that rock
music is meant to be fun.

- Dez

Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 03:50:06 -0800
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: NEW Cocteau Twins


Cocteau Twins release a brand new song called "Touch Upon Touch" on the
forthcoming edition of the Volume CD/magazine.  The song was played on
their last tour.

Jeff Keibel
Scarborough, ON
CANADA
redshift@interlog.com


Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 09:22:50 -0500
From: FA ken clinger (clinger@DUQ2.CC.DUQ.EDU)
Subject: Re: 16 days



> Dave Sargent asks:
> >btw, is the 16 days single everyone's talking about the song to the siren
> >ep or
> >the mysterious, ultra rare promo 10 incher that i too passed up a couple of
> >years ago and am now kicking myself in the arse for?
>
> The one I had [turns out I sold it for peanuts last year, oh well] is a
> 12" of "16 Days (Gathering Dust)" and "Song To the Siren" as the b(!)
> side.

I badly want "16 Days" (not as a downloaded .wav file but the "real
thing").

Is the EP or single still available, or do I have to find it used?

Thanks,

Ken

clinger@duq2.cc.duq.edu


Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 11:14:29 -0500
From: Christian Grigis (cgrigis@BLACKNTAN.CGISYSTEMS.COM)
Subject: Dead Can Dance


        Hello all,

        I just found a CD single from Dead Can Dance, containing "The
Ubiquitous Mr Lovegrove" and "The Wind that shakes the Barley". I had
never seen this item before, is it anything rare?

        Thanks!

-Christian

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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 10:43:02 -0800
From: Jack Huynh (jack@NOVOMEDIA.COM)
Subject: Re: NEW Cocteau Twins


just in case there are still some cocteau twins fan left on this mailing
list, they are hosting a live chat session on wednesday the 27th. for more
information go to http://www.cocteautwins.com/news.html


jack at novomedia dot com

'when you choke a smurf, what color does it turn?'

Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 22:28:40 -0600
From: Matthew T De Bellis (mdebelli@SHRIKE.DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: Re: sliding and diving


woo hoo!!!!  couldn't agree with you more!!!!!!!!

Belly - one hit wonder???

I've seen much circulated MTV videos for:
"Feed the Tree"
"Gepetto"
"Slowdog"

i guess belly was a three-hit wonder....


matt

Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 08:46:57 -0500
From: RBNRy@AOL.COM
Subject: Strength of Strings (Balanescu, Nyman, etc.)


>>when i mentioned the balanescu quartet last week just in passing, i was
quite shocked in the amount of people on the list who are fond of one my
favorite performers, conductors, and composers.<<

I have to say that I was as well. So I'll throw this one out. A listy friend
of mine recorded portions of a soundtrack for me from a film called 'Tous Les
Matins Du Monde' that are all performed by a string quartet. Don't have much
more info on it than that (feel free to chime in at any time Andie), except
to say that it is absolutely brilliant and fans of the aforemetioned should
really be taken with it.

Bye.

Roy


Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 14:16:09 EST
From: "Steven Hipkiss." (sah577@VMS1.BHAM.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Tanya Donnelly & Mojave 3


  Dez wrote
>>        Tanya's band included the angel-voiced Mary Lorson, and the supergeek
Billy Cote from Madder Rose as well as three others whose names I forget.<<
  I think the others were  Dean Fisher and Lisa from Juliana Hatfields
band and Stacy(?) somebody who has played with Letters To Cleo and
Aimee Mann.

  Did Mary or Billy mention anything of Madder Rose? Mark Radclife asked
them on his show on Monday night but I never caught the answer.

  Ithink Kelley Deal is playing at the Hop and Grape tonight (Sat).
Worth catching if you are doing nothing else, especially for the
SOS finale with the Radar Bros.

Steve.

Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 12:10:26 -0600
From: Steven Szaks (gszaks@UXA.ECN.BGU.EDU)
Subject: personal to"salt on my hide, pennies on my eyes"


sorry to waste space, but about 2 weeks ago, some wrote me (from this
list) asking me about my scheer promo seven inch.  when I try to mail you,
it keeps gettong bounced....

so, whoever calls themselves "salt on my hide, pennies on my eyes", write
me back!

steve


Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 19:06:13 -0800
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Re: alterna-WHAT???


>I don't know about any of you people, but I am tired of seeing bands like
>the muses and belly slammed by magazines (like my latest issue of Rolling
>Stone) as being ONE HIT WONDERS.

The Muses had a HIT???

(Don't get me wrong: I absolutely adore TM...)

t h e   m y s t e r y   p a r a d e
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