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Subject: 4AD Give-Away # 4 Winner Notice
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 09:30:22 -0000
From: Fedgely Shep (guernica@HOTMAIL.COM)
Subject: Twins-ish bands
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 11:30:00 EST
From: CALLAHAN (CALLAHAN%DIALOGVM@MCIMAIL.COM)
Subject: Re: kelly deal pasted from ATN
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:29:28 EST
From: "Steven Hipkiss." (sah577@VMS1.BHAM.AC.UK)
Subject: a great big FUCK YOU from 4AD
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 23:46:08 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: another pale saints question
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 22:00:22 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: fondlemyears / Komeda
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 18:33:03 -0500
From: schokokeks (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Mojave 3
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 09:22:35 PST
From: RAQUEL (cvela@IRAPUATO.IRA.CINVESTAV.MX)
Subject: Mojave 3 tab? / Sloan
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 19:43:41 -0500
From: "Carneiro, Anabela" (bubbles@YESIC.COM)
Subject: Wolfgang press urge
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 11:03:01 CST6DST
From: PEREZ GUTIERREZ JORGE HUMBERTO (AR24051@LHP.GDL.ITESO.MX)
Subject: Re: fondlemyears / Komeda
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 09:58:09 -0800
From: Robert Underwood (runderwo@ADVOCATE.COM)
Subject: IMPORTANT NEWS! PLEASE READ!
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 19:26:41 +0100
From: Milosz Zielinski (zielinski@DATACOMM.CH)
Subject: Re: Twins-ish bands
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 09:10:28 -0500
From: Jill Burkart (starla@IGLOU.COM)
Subject: Re: Mail filters, where to get 'em
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 09:32:29 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: IMPORTANT NEWS! PLEASE READ!
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 22:20:45 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: IMPORTANT NEWS! PLEASE READ!
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 15:49:54 -0800
From: reicja00 (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: out ot print
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 10:25:46 -0600
From: sara johnson (sjohns32@D.UMN.EDU)

Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 09:30:22 -0000
From: Fedgely Shep (guernica@HOTMAIL.COM)
Subject: 4AD Give-Away # 4 Winner Notice


The question for the most recently in progress
4AD Give-Away # 4 was:  At the home of Throwing Muses'
Kristin Hersh, how many squirrels regularly visit her
backyard deck???

answering the above question.  The number of squirrels that
visit her backyard deck is SIX.

Well, a winner was randomly picked today (Nov. 21st) and
will receive a cassette of early Throwing Muses demos
and previously unreleased songs.  This contest is now closed.
The winner is Stephanie of ; send
acknowledgement and snail address to 
to receive your prize!

Give-Away # 5 will commence shortly after New Years Day '97.
Thanks to the amazingly large number of people who entered Give-
Away # 4!!  More cool prizes to come in '97!  Merry Christmas!

- Fedgely Shep


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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 11:30:00 EST
From: CALLAHAN (CALLAHAN%DIALOGVM@MCIMAIL.COM)
Subject: Twins-ish bands


found a couple of new discs at the station with reviews that said
they were reminiscent of Cocteau Twins. played one song from each
and there are similarities in sound but i haven't had time to listen
all the way thru so overall they may be garbage. the bands are "Her
Majesty The Baby" and "Baby Gopal". (weird "baby "coincidence.)

anybody else heard them?

--michael--
callahan%dialogvm@mcimail.com


Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:29:28 EST
From: "Steven Hipkiss." (sah577@VMS1.BHAM.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: kelly deal pasted from ATN


  Saw Kelley Deal 6000 lastt night on one of her British
dates. Was quite fortunate cos the tour was rearranged so
it now took in Birmingham, which it missed before. Some
other town missed out instead.

  Missed most of the Radar Bros set due to trouble getting
there, but the last song showed it could have been quite good.
The article in Melody Maker seemed quite right about them,
though how happy they were to be described as slowcore I
don't know.

  Kelley Deal then came on and urged the audience to move
forward. There was only a maximum of 100 people there, so
people were tending to hang back. They then proceeded to put
on a really good show, playing most of the album plus some
I didn't recognise.

  I think given time Kelley will be giving Kim a real run for
her money. At the moment she seems to be confident and was
up for banter between songs. She told us about the video when
she plays the warrior princess. Also she described the Canyon
video as weird, though I can't see that being shown on
terrestial tv.

  Canyon was the last song of the set, before the Radar Bros
came back on and a hearty rendtition of "SOS" by Abba rounded
of the event.

Steve.
s.a.hipkiss@bham.ac.uk


Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 23:46:08 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: a great big FUCK YOU from 4AD


Well, I finally got around to hearing The Paladins today. You see,
somehow a copy ended up in the used bin so I figured what the hell, it's
4AD, you know it's gotta be the best. Anyway, cutting edge stuff, that.
The best beer drinking music I've heard from drunk asshole jocks since
the last porno I watched.

In all fairness to the band, they are very good for what they are: a Type
Of Music....and they very likely had no idea who or what 4AD once was, nor
what it may still have almost represented to foolish people like myself.
I'd have trouble harboring bad feelings toward them, but as for 4AD, they
can go straight to hell. This is beyond any insult I have encountered in
my memory, and I am through with that label. Right back atcha, assholes.

If Mojave haven't been kicked off the label by the end of the year for
pilfering company stationery, maybe I can get someone on ambient or
pure-impure to make me a tape of their new "we're not Slowdive" country
and western album. It's been a good three years or so, minus a few
temperamental types (you know who you are), but I *really* don't belong on
this list anymore...and quite frankly niether do most of you. Respect to
those here with loyalty deeper and broader than my own, and those with
stronger stomachs. And merry Christmas in advance, in case this list is
still seeing any traffic at all by then. Me, I have to get the hell out of
here before I stop believing in God.

Goodnight and unsubscribe. :( Drop me a line sometime.


 einexile the meek - enemy of the people


Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 22:00:22 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: another pale saints question


The Pale Saints of "IN RIBBONS" and the Pale Saints of "SLOW BUILDINGS"
are two different bands. Ian was such a fundamental part of the early
Pale Saints creative process, that when he left,  the bands direction
really changed. You have to approach the two records with different
expectaions. If you expect "In Ribbons" out of "Slow Buildings" you will
be disappointed. It still has the quirky rhythms and melodies as the early
PS stuff. It also has some great angelic vocals and great guitar... If
you can get yourself to stop asking WHY WHY WHY did Ian have to leave?!,
you will find that "Slow Buildings" has some wonderfull things buried in
it... but you have to be patient... it doesnt give up its charms easily.


Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 18:33:03 -0500
From: schokokeks (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: fondlemyears / Komeda


Pat F. Crimm wrote:

> I think that 'blum' (with a little B) looks better and also has the
>correct Deutch [sic] pronunciation.

True, except then it's no longer a real word (not that that is really an issue).

>Oh, Allison is one of my favorite names. Maybe you should call your band
>"Allison"!

I dunno, that kinda smacks of egomania, naming your band after yourself.
Besides, she's Alison with one l.


Has anyone heard Komeda (something about them in the latest Raygun)? Any
info would be appreciated.


Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 09:22:35 PST
From: RAQUEL (cvela@IRAPUATO.IRA.CINVESTAV.MX)
Subject: Mojave 3


Hi,

I was reading Tanya Donelly's show review and someone mentioned
that Mojave 3 sang lots of new stuff, have they released anything
yet, I only have their first one.

How many singles have they released? how many EP's?

thanks.

R.


Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 19:43:41 -0500
From: "Carneiro, Anabela" (bubbles@YESIC.COM)
Subject: Mojave 3 tab? / Sloan


Hello...
I'm sort of new to this list, so I don't really know if this is okay or what
have you (I apologize for sounding square).  I was just wondering if there
is anyone out there who has any chords to any Mojave 3 songs, especially
"Mercy" and "Tomorrow's Taken".  I would really appreciate it if you could
send them to me...

Thanks in advance :)

Love,
Anabela
*************************************************
Looking skywards he lied
"Everything's fine, everything's fine..."

                                 -adorable
*************************************************


Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 11:03:01 CST6DST
From: PEREZ GUTIERREZ JORGE HUMBERTO (AR24051@LHP.GDL.ITESO.MX)
Subject: Wolfgang press urge


   I've heard the other day the TWP single A GIRL LIKE YOU, and i
think it's great. I love the 3 versions and the Angel song. Since
then i been trying to find it. But i've haven't had any luck. I would
appreciated if someone in the list would trade or sell me a copy.
   I offer money or the any of the following itenms:
Pixies  Timeless stars ( bootleg)
Throwing Muses ( debut album)
Colourbox ( second album)
That dog ( debut, geffen edition)
Birthday Party   Prayers on fire
   The above releases are new mint and all are cd's.
Please mail me.
Other items i'm interested are:
BC Gilbert and G. Lewis   8time    Cad16cd
That Dog That Dog     GU 6 cd

And DON`T FORGET   THE WOLFGANG PRESS  A GIRL LIKE YOU   BAD 2006 CD
( PLEASE THE 4AD UK RELEASE, AND IN CD)


or something?

Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 09:58:09 -0800
From: Robert Underwood (runderwo@ADVOCATE.COM)
Subject: Re: fondlemyears / Komeda


someone wrote:
>Has anyone heard Komeda (something about them in the latest Raygun)?
>Any
>info would be appreciated.


komeda? you mean stereolab light? that's not a knock, just a brief
description. komeda's CD "the genius of komeda" is wonderful. the
production and studio craft is magnificent. komeda is a foursome from
sweden with a female singer. their tunes show they have a great pop
sense. tho i wouldn't call them clubby, fans of pizzicato five should
really get into this group.







Robert Underwood,
Liberation Publication


Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 19:26:41 +0100
From: Milosz Zielinski (zielinski@DATACOMM.CH)
Subject: IMPORTANT NEWS! PLEASE READ!


>
>
>No subject line is necessary.  Please read this thing!
>
>Pass this on!!!!!
>
>        A group of NEO-NAZIS are trying to form a newsgroup on Usenet called
>rec.music.white-power", so that they can get their message of hate out to
>young people using the Internet. Newsgroups are public discussions on the
>Internet and their
>formation requires enough support from the Internet community.
>
>        EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US HAS ONE VOTE when it comes to creating a
>new Usenet group.  I hope you will vote NO and thereby tell these NAZIS we
>don't want their stuff on the net.  Below is the procedure, please repost
>this plea and get the NO vote out.
>If you want to see the official call for votes, you can try on "news.group".
>
>        DO NOT VOTE TWICE - that would constitute voting fraud.
>
>                HOW TO VOTE:
>Send e-mail (posts to newsgroups are invalid) to: music-vote@sub-rosa.com.
>This is an impartial, third party vote taker. Please check the address
>before you mail your vote. Your mail message,  to be accepted by the
>counting computer,  must contain only the following statement with no
>
>        Vote counting is automated.  Failure to follow these directions may
>mean that your vote does not get counted.  If you do not receive an
>acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker about
>the problem.  It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered
>correctly.
>        Here's what Canada's George Burdi, of the neo-Nazi Heritage Front,
>had to say about this vote, on February 21, on his RESISTANCE mailing list:
>        "There is a call for votes coming on rec.music.white-power in the
>next week or so, and you will be notified in a special issue of RREN exactly
>what to do. FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS TO THE LETTER.  Let me be perfectly
>blunt and state that we have
>more than enough net-nazis to win this thing handsdown. But every one of you
>must vote YES! And just voting yes means nothing unless you do it properly.
>So you have been forewarned.  The instructions are coming to your email  box
>soon, and they are not
>complicated. Just follow them as told, and we will have a WP music newsgroup
>finally!"
>
>        If Mr. Burdi's confidence disturbs you, please give this letter the
>widest possible distribution, and help us deliver the largest NO vote in the
>history of the  UseNet.
>
>***I received this message earlier tonight and thought you, the readers of
>"Wrestling Update," may want to respond. I believe, as a journalist, that
>every person has the Right To A Freedom Of Speech and Press. However, I do
>not think that a newsgroup is a place for this Freedom of Speech. If these
>people want to publicsize their viewpoints and beliefs, then they should
>create a website and do it intellectually. The above letter is not
>associated with Wrestling Update, INC.***
>
>Sincerely,
>Michael Weaver, JR.
>CEO of Wrestling Update
>jmweaver@indy.net
>
>

I think everyone should do what is told in this mail. Everyone who won`t
will be guilty if these racist assholes can create their own "music" newsgroup.

Milosz


Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 09:10:28 -0500
From: Jill Burkart (starla@IGLOU.COM)
Subject: Re: Twins-ish bands


On Sat, 23 Nov 1996, CALLAHAN wrote:

> found a couple of new discs at the station with reviews that said
> they were reminiscent of Cocteau Twins. played one song from each
> and there are similarities in sound but i haven't had time to listen
> all the way thru so overall they may be garbage. the bands are "Her
> Majesty The Baby" and "Baby Gopal". (weird "baby "coincidence.)
>
> anybody else heard them?

Yeah, I like the Her Majesty the Baby CD.  It's slightly similar to
Cocteau Twins in places, like Lush in others, and like Sioucsie and the
Banshees in still others.  It's good but not one of my favorites this
year.  Now, there's one that was compared (by the label? the
distributors?) to Cocteau Twins that will end up on my "Favorite of the
Year" list by a band called Splashdown.  Now, even tho they were compared
to Cocteau Twins, I can't really hear it all the much.  They're more like
Hmmmm, Bjork, The Cranberries.  Someone in a review called them a
"electronic Creatures".  I just think it's an excellent CD.

Her Majesty the Baby is on nu.millenia
Splashdown is on Castle von Buhler, my second favorite label

Always listen to the before buying them.  I don't want to get mail saying
you bought the CD on my recommendation, it's horrible, and I suck.

Jill


Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 09:32:29 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Mail filters, where to get 'em

              19, 96 09:26:03 am

 Jens Alfke  wrote on Tue, 19 Nov 1996
 (Subject: Mail filters, where to get 'em)
 >
 > Unix users have a variety of stone-age command-line based email
 > programs to choose from that still do some pretty fancy filtering
 > if you can figure out the typically-cryptic Unix syntax.  (Do any
 > of the GUI mail tools do filters?) If anyone can fill in more
 > details on the Unix side, do so by all means.

 My pleasure! Though since most people using Unix machines will be
 using some sort of mainframe or networked workstation, they will
 probably either have to be a system administrator or friendly with
 one to get mail filtering installed (if it isn't there already).  I
 use elm, which has an associated filter program (called "filter")
 which is fairly easy to use (I split incoming mail from different
 lists into different folders, it can also delete mail from specific
 senders or with certain words or phrases in the subjects, and
 basically do anything most people will ever want).

 Sample cryptic filter commands:
 if (sender "4ad") then save "/disk/h/nja/Mail/in.4ad"
 if (from "jens") then delete

 (only joking!)

 Elm is a nice mailing program to use, too - menu-driven rather than
 command-line (like "mail" which really *is* stone-age, though many of
 my colleagues still use it).  I'm pretty sure elm is free (at least
 to educational institutions and personal users, like most cool Unix
 software).  You can even use vi to edit your messages, which can only
 be a good thing.

 Of course, real Unix fans will write their own filter program in
 Perl...

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England
nja@le.ac.uk


Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 22:20:45 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: IMPORTANT NEWS! PLEASE READ!


Milosz Zielinski  writes:

> >        A group of NEO-NAZIS are trying to form a newsgroup on Usenet called
> >rec.music.white-power",

This thing will never die.

rec.music.white-power was voted on last year.  Out of 31,000 votes,
two hundred voted for it, and the rest voted against.  The poor
polltaker volunteer was swamped and mailbombed for months.

Distributing incomplete ballots (as this is an example of) is
expressly forbidden by Usenet voting rules.  Milosz, you're
contributing to a (very, very delayed) voting fraud.  Go stand in the
corner and feel ashamed for a while.

Do *not* vote.  Avoid.  Let it die.  Do *not* pass this on.

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen


Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 15:49:54 -0800
From: reicja00 (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: IMPORTANT NEWS! PLEASE READ!

              at Nov 25, 96 07:26:41 pm

Uhhh, first of all, there is already a newsgroup in existence for teh
discussion of white power music.  Thus this is a moot point.

But, for the record, I think they should be allowed to have their
newsgroup.  Not because I think that they are right (in fact, especially
being Jewish I think they are quite wrong), but why should their views be
censored?  I mean, today it's racists that are being censored, tomorrow
it's pot smokers and the day after that it's those advocating free speech.
 Where does it stop?

For instance, I'm also on the SFRaves mailing list.  It's basically a
group of friendly raver-types who like humanity and respect people's
beliefs.  Yet I'm sure there are elements out there in power who would
like to see such discusion groups squelched because, among other things,
they discuss  drug use.  In their eyes, _I'm_ the evildoer.

So the bottom line is that free speech is even for those you don't agree with.


Jake

Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 10:25:46 -0600
From: sara johnson (sjohns32@D.UMN.EDU)
Subject: out ot print


does anyone know of a good place to find out of print 4ad and the like music?
i've been searching with no luck at all.

sara


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