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Subject: Sixteen Days
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 02:55:25 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Itty-bitty thislisty sale
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 23:29:57 -0600
From: Ersatz (ersatz@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Re: Belly and The Wedding Present
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 01:52:38 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: hmmm...another question
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 01:51:36 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: New Throwing Muses CD's
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 23:24:07 -0800
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Re: Sixteen Days
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 20:50:46 PST
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: Re: pretentious bores
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 01:47:22 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: flying saucer music
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 01:52:23 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Balanecu, Rachels, Kronos, & Anchorage
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 05:00:24 -0500
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Barbara Gogan
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 08:30:26 -0500
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Balanecu+Rachels+Kronos=?
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:31:11 -0000
From: "Whittaker David (Exchange)" (WhittakerD@LOGICA.COM)
Subject: Re: Barbara Gogan
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 07:49:11 -0800
From: Dan Shubin (dans@europa.com)
Subject: Stephen Scott et al.
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 10:07:30 -0600
From: Ersatz (ersatz@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: sliding and diving
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:26:44 -0600
From: Matthew T De Bellis (mdebelli@SHRIKE.DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Balanescu Quartet (Nyman & Satoh)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:18:50 -0700
From: Peter Repetti (repetti@NATURE.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Scheer 4
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 19:00:49 EST
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: fondlemyears
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 18:15:12 -0500
From: "James P. Crimm" (jcrimm@MOOSE.UVM.EDU)
Subject: did somebody say bowery electric?
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 19:48:46 -0500
From: Dave Sargent (fairlee@ACCESS.DIGEX.NET)
Subject: Re: sliding and diving
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 17:51:46 -0800
From: alison lorraine (alison@PIL.NET)
Subject: FAO: Manchester UK area people only
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 17:23:01 +0000
From: Richard Clemens (Richard.Clemens@ucsalf.ac.uk)
Subject: Tanya Donelly & Mojave 3 - live in Manchester
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 17:18:32 +0000
From: Richard Clemens (Richard.Clemens@ucsalf.ac.uk)

Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 02:55:25 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Sixteen Days


Jens Alfke  writes:

> I have a copy (vinyl, natch) of this ... I'm assuming it's rare?

Sorry; as far as I know, it's still available from 4AD.  At least that
was the case a couple years ago.

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 23:29:57 -0600
From: Ersatz (ersatz@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Itty-bitty thislisty sale


Pruning my shelves, I found these unloved items seeking a good home:

Dead Can Dance - 1996 Tour Program, with ~8 minute instrumental "Sambatiki"
on
   enclosed CD single.  Good if you like the worldbeat of "Spiritchaser".
Min bid $8.
Lida Husik/Beaumont Hannant - Evening at the Grange EP - aloof popster
meets
   electronica artist for Magnetic Fields-like suburban pop.  Min bid $5.
Husikesque - Green Blue Fire - Same cohorts tackle sub-Portis trip-hop.
Min bid $8
Miranda Sex Garden - Madras (Mute UK) - Quite competent trio a cappella
   renditions of Elizabethan madrigals on their 1991 debut.  Min bid $7
Miranda Sex Garden - Iris EP - Rare vocal restraint over occasionally
shoegazy
   instrumental drones.  Min bid $5
World of Skin - Ten Songs for Another World - Gira and Jarboe of the Swans
sing
   of <> nihilism, betrayal, and faith.  Min bid $7

I'll take bids till a random deadline next week, shipping will be $2 for
any number of items.  I expect most to go to first comer for min bid, but
will accept higher bids to accommodate demand.  All unscratched, near-mint.
 If you bid for the Skin earlier this year and never sent your check (you
know who you are, unfortunately, I don't) feel free to bid again.

D.S. Roy aka ersatz@hal-pc.org
  Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers - Picasso


Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 01:52:38 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Belly and The Wedding Present


In a message dated 96-11-20 22:10:49 EST, you write:

<< hat Belly King book thing, (say that ten times fast!)... for $9.99,
 brand new! (i think i paid twice that when it came out). too bad the cd
isn't
 as fantastic as the packaging, but i enjoyed it nonetheless.

 anyways, these are available at Rhino Records in Claremont, CA.  or i can
 pick 'em up for those who are interested. >>
I saw two in Claremont recently.


Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 01:51:36 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: hmmm...another question


In a message dated 96-11-20 22:10:44 EST, you write:

<< It is still available from the 4ad mailorder catalog. At least it was
 as of a year ago. I think with shipping it cost about $12. I don't think
 it has gone out of print since.
  >>
Nope, it was in the original catalog but it is out of print and unavailable.
 Half the things in the catalog are now no longer available.  Sorry.  Also,
When I have seen it, it goes for $30-50.

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 23:24:07 -0800
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: New Throwing Muses CD's


For my fellow obsessive collectors:
New Throwing Muses releases on Throwing Music/Rykodisc

>From 4AD Newsgroup:
LIVE TO TAPE (promo)
recorded at stable sound, portsmouth RI on 5/20/96.
Shark, Ruthie's Knocking, Night Driving, Serene, Bright Yellow Gun, Bea
Cat.No. VRCD-0354

>From ICE Magazine:
SHARK (CD-5)
Release date: January 14, 1997


( u p d a t e d )

t h e   m y s t e r y   p a r a d e
{ceci n'est pas une web site}

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 20:50:46 PST
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: Re: Sixteen Days


Jens Alfke  writes:

> I have a copy (vinyl, natch) of this ... I'm assuming it's rare?

Not unless there were two versions like the Rema Rema or Colourbox
12"s, and you have the original. If there was only one release, then it is not
too rare or valuable (of course value is subjective and I think it's worth
far more than the 3 pounds or so I paid for it!)......
I bought it last December from 4AD mail order (UK), as well as a bunch of other
12"s. I would imagine a timeframe of 11 months would not mean deletion....

sir h C

.


Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 01:47:22 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: pretentious bores


On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Tom Weibrecht wrote:

> On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 19:54:20 -0800 "Ms. Michelle Draeger"

> >Deal with it.
> >
> why dont u do everyone a favor and unsubscribe?

Aww, I like her.


 e

Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 01:52:23 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: flying saucer music


On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Igor V. Boronenkov wrote:

> 3.There was a mention that Dean was writing "flying saucer's music" during
> the hiatus- it'd be really interesting to see if it'll see the
> light'o'the'day.

I think we got a nice hint of it on Cherry, which incidentally is the
best ep of all time. I'd certainly trade in both Cuckoo and Doppelganger
for an album of the delicious noise that whistles in and out, and
dominates most of the title track. Yummy.

 e


Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 05:00:24 -0500
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Balanecu, Rachels, Kronos, & Anchorage


when i mentioned the balanescu quartet last week just in passing, i was
quite shocked in the amount of people on the list who are fond of one my
favorite performers, conductors, and composers. this only reaffirms that
the signing of a quality nouveau/avant-garde classical quartet would be in
order for 4AD.
my web page will have a review of Possessed which features the music of
Kraftwerk, David Byrne, and Alexander Balanescu himself. one of my
favorite compact discs of all time is the Angels & Insects soundtrack.
Alexander Balanescu leads his quartet in the production of his own score.
Argo has released my favorite composer's latest release which features the
Balanescu Quartet. Last Days by Gavin Bryars is extraordinary. Gavin gives
minimalism a richness and Alexander's quartet intensifies that phenomenal
sound. However, my most favorite Balanescu Quartet recording is for Gavin
Bryar's ECM New Series release After the Requiem.

The Rachels are quite different than the Balanescu Quartet. the Balanescu
Quartet have a more precise way of getting to their goal while the Rachels
give classical music that DIY quality. through the unclear and lo-fi
fuzziness we get a rich sound from the Rachels while the Balanescu Quartet
relies more on technique and movement. i absolutely adore the Rachels,
they add a quality to classical recording that has been needed for some
time. Two reviews on my web page will be added friday

The Kronos Quartet are extremely amazing. they are like all quartets
rolled into one. they never suprise me anymore. they have recorded artist
from Ives to Piazzola to Marta to Beat Poet ramblers... do want to hear
the most scary and most emotionally draining song that i have ever heard.
buy the Kronos Quartet's Black Angel. listen to the Istvan Marta piece. it
will drain your sole if it doesn't cause it to run away. a full review of
that will be posted friay for that release as well..

What i have heard from Anchorage is very rich almost symphonic music.
almost angelic in lushness. i was very impressed.

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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 08:30:26 -0500
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Barbara Gogan


  On Hector Zazou's "Sahara Blue", there are two songs with Barbara on
vocals.  Who is she?

Tim


TIM CONLON
U590@sysm.acs.Virginia.EDU


Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:31:11 -0000
From: "Whittaker David (Exchange)" (WhittakerD@LOGICA.COM)
Subject: Balanecu+Rachels+Kronos=?


If you like any/all of the above, and bearing in mind this is the 4AD
list, you must find anything by Steve Martland, who is the epitome of
rock/classical hybrid.
Should 4AD have such 'classical' acts on their roster...?...Martland's
'Factory Masters' was originally recorded for one of the original Inde
labels (Factory in Manchester: don't be put off by New Order).
It's now available on Catalyst.

David

>


Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 07:49:11 -0800
From: Dan Shubin (dans@europa.com)
Subject: Re: Barbara Gogan


TIM CONLON wrote:
>
>   On Hector Zazou's "Sahara Blue", there are two songs with Barbara on
> vocals.  Who is she?
>
> Tim
>
> TIM CONLON
> U590@sysm.acs.Virginia.EDU
Barbara Gogan is the former lead singer with the Passions, one of my
favorite 80s bands.  In a 1990/1? article in Alternative Press, Jack
Rabid mentioned that she had a new band in NYC called SUNRISE HAMMERS.
I spoke with Nicholas Hill at whatever station he's at in NYC since they
were friends and he didn't know what happened to SH as a band project.
Then Barbara popped up on Zazou's record and one other, can't
recall...Hill is from Portland and he and I were giant Passions fans.
When he moved to NYC, he ran into Barbara who got stranded in the states
after an aborted tour (she may be American, formerly with a Brit band).
If anyone on 4adlist knows more, I would like to meet Barbara and say hi
to Hickory--pass the word.
dans

Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 10:07:30 -0600
From: Ersatz (ersatz@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Stephen Scott et al.


Mrk bemoaned:
> still no one with opinions on stephen scott's "bowed piano" work???

I own the first of Scott's two recordings for New Albion (A superb label,
I've yet to find a release of theirs without profound value), entitled
"Minerva's Web/Tears of Niobe" (1990).  In case you missed the review with
soundbites of the new "Vikings of the Sunrise" on NPR a week ago, Scott's
modus operandi is to score piano music for the ten members of the Colorado
College New Music Ensemble, the catch is that most of them are under the
lid of the grand, bowing the strings with rosined floss, or tiny bows made
of floss glued to popsicle sticks.  Remarkably, in Scott's hands the result
isn't gimmicky at all, there is a symmetry and grandeur to the pieces, they
build by minimalist sheets or pointillist patterns, with not an effect out
of place.  From the soundbites, "Vikings" seems to be a bit more
programmatic, with a vaguely Wagneresque crescendo.

If you enjoy Stephen Scott's bowed piano works, I most emphatically
recommend Ellen Fullman's "Body Music", on Experimental Intermedia (224
Centre St., NY, NY 10013).  Fullman, originally a visual artist in Austin,
TX, tensions dozens of steel wires between resonators 80 ft apart, and then
tunes them to Partch's microtonal scale with c-clamps placed at intervals
on the strings.  She and her cohorts then perform her compositions by
walking aside and within the instrument, rubbing the strings with rosined
fingers.  It's something like a Branca symphony performed by Scott's
ensemble, harmonic clusters scraping heavenward.  I never failed to get
info requests when I played this on my radio graveyard shifts a few years
back.  If you want a taste, two of Fullman's improvisations appear on a Poi
Dog Pondering album (I don't know which one).

mrk asked:
> where then is the avant/nouveau-classical list?

The FAQ for the Post-classical mailing list is at:
  http://www.sat.dundee.ac.uk/~arb/music/pc/faq.html
  The listserv is at to:  post-classical-request@cs.uwp.edu
However, I think most of the traffic has since moved to the usenet
newsgroup
  rec.music.classical.contemporary

D.S. Roy aka ersatz@hal-pc.org

Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers - Picasso


Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:26:44 -0600
From: Matthew T De Bellis (mdebelli@SHRIKE.DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: sliding and diving


i got the new tanya donelly EP SLIDING AND DIVING today at a local music
store for $2.98 (the guy said it was some deal 4ad had...anyone know why
it was so cheap for an import????), and i love it!  "Bum" has got to be
the most energetic song tanya's done in a while (although it is a long
ways away from "Reel").....can't wait to hear the new album!....


matt


Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:18:50 -0700
From: Peter Repetti (repetti@NATURE.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Balanescu Quartet (Nyman & Satoh)


>still no one with opinions on stephen scott's "bowed piano" work???
>where then is the avant/nouveau-classical list?

well, i heard that bit on NPR also, and thought it was quite interesting
too.  is there anyone out there who made the plunge and bought it!?

peter

________________________________________________________________________________
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Department of Plant and Microbial Biology
111 Koshland Hall
UC Berkeley
Berkeley CA  94720
(510) 643-7230


Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 19:00:49 EST
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Scheer 4


        I got a CD Promo today, catalogue no. Scheer4, containing two new tracks
- First Contact and Sex Kitten. More of the same, really. First Contact is quite
a good song, but Sex kitten is more horrible Echobelly-meets-Skunk Anansie
indie-metal tosh.

- Dez

Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 18:15:12 -0500
From: "James P. Crimm" (jcrimm@MOOSE.UVM.EDU)
Subject: Re: fondlemyears


<<<<

Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 19:48:46 -0500
From: Dave Sargent (fairlee@ACCESS.DIGEX.NET)
Subject: did somebody say bowery electric?


how did i let it slip by me? a new bowery electric? i'm in seventh heaven!
thank you mr. alfke for the notice.

btw, is the 16 days single everyone's talking about the song to the siren ep or
the mysterious, ultra rare promo 10 incher that i too passed up a couple of
years ago and am now kicking myself in the arse for?

what give?
dave

"..attack ships on fire off the shoulder of orion.."

Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 17:51:46 -0800
From: alison lorraine (alison@PIL.NET)
Subject: Re: sliding and diving


Matthew T De Bellis wrote:
>
> i got the new tanya donelly EP SLIDING AND DIVING today at a local music
> store for $2.98 (the guy said it was some deal 4ad had...anyone know why
> it was so cheap for an import????), and i love it!  "Bum" has got to be
> the most energetic song tanya's done in a while (although it is a long
> ways away from "Reel").....can't wait to hear the new album!....
>
> matt


I like Tanya's stuff, too--it makes me sad to see magazines like rolling
stone put her & belly under the "one hit wonders" category--which they
did in their latest damn issue.

I guess I am just pissed off that the reason why these REAL alternative
bands aren't doing so well commercially is that there are too many fake
ones--examples being Fiona Apple (they play her on the "alternative"
stations around here, but she is far from it), Alanis Morrissette (don't
know if I spelled her name right and really don't care--she ain't no
alterna-chick, just an angry harmonica-sucking former dance clone),
Metallica, Bush, Alice in Chains and the like (heavy metal); I could go
on and on.  The real deal is bands like the Muses and Belly, the Church,
Peter Murphy, etc.

I don't know whose idea it was to repackage just about anybody as
"alternative" but it sucks hard.

a l i s o n
l         o
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s         i
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n o s i l a


Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 17:23:01 +0000
From: Richard Clemens (Richard.Clemens@ucsalf.ac.uk)
Subject: FAO: Manchester UK area people only


Apparently my friends' band Laudanum Split are to play with some
women from Norway called Tiny 2 (?) who may or may not be about to
sign to Detox (4AD related label). Its at the Night and Day on
Oldham Street on 6 December. Sorry to be so vague, but information
is a bit scarce.

If you want to know more mail me and I'll try and dig out more
information.

Richard

--------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Clemens
Academic Division (Student/Institutional Services),
University of Salford, Adelphi Campus, Peru Street, Salford M3 6EQ. UK. tel: +44
(0)161 834 6633 x443
  (temporary address and all, for a few weeks or so)

"Today both men and women can do all their hunting and gathering at the local gr
cery store,
and there is no compelling reason why women should forage for the asparagus whil
 men attack
the meat counter."                                      Rosemary Tong
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 17:18:32 +0000
From: Richard Clemens (Richard.Clemens@ucsalf.ac.uk)
Subject: Tanya Donelly & Mojave 3 - live in Manchester


Brief review of two 4AD bands (wow I am on an on list topic at
last) who played the Hop and Grape in Manchester last night.

First up were Mojave 3 who I know little about and who whilst being
very pleasant and very enjoyable had the stage presence of cardboard.
I have not been to such an un dynamic show since Dubstar failed to
even breath for a whole set. A friend who has the lp said they were
more rocky live (?) and only played two tracks off it, I bow to his superior
knowledge. To sum up I will probably borrow the lp but won't rush out
to buy it on the strength of that performance.

Next up Tanya Donelly. I always found Belly much more fun live, don't
get me wrong I like the records, but live it worked more. I can't
judge for TD solo. For a start I only just got the single
which has just four tracks, all played I think. Not a good position
to judge from. Secondly there are few people on the single, live she was
surrounded by five bods of Madder Rose. I thought it was wonderful.
Full of energy, humour and great tunes. Only one little gripe,
perhaps there were too many guitars for the songs, we are not really
talking Band of Susans layers and layers. I don't think she played
any belly songs, if she did I failed to recognise them! If she comes
your way, go see her and smile.

Well its Tricky down the Hacienda tonight, so I'll be smiling like
mad later ;-)

Richard

--------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Clemens
Academic Division (Student/Institutional Services),
University of Salford, Adelphi Campus, Peru Street, Salford M3 6EQ. UK. tel: +44
(0)161 834 6633 x443
  (temporary address and all, for a few weeks or so)

"Today both men and women can do all their hunting and gathering at the local gr
cery store,
and there is no compelling reason why women should forage for the asparagus whil
 men attack
the meat counter."                                      Rosemary Tong
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