Subject: pretentious bores
Subject: Lonely is...
Subject: Re: rhp on tour with maids of gravity?
Subject: Re: Balanescu Quartet
Subject: Re: fondlemyears
Subject: Re: Lonely is...
Subject: sorry!!!
Subject: Re: wolfgang press
Subject: verve, schmerve
Subject: random blathering
Subject: Re: {<<>>}
Subject: Re: Balanescu Quartet
Subject: Tanya
Subject: Re: Lonely is...
Subject: pale saints question
Subject: Re: Tanya
Subject: looking for cool commentary i.e. FEEDBACK!
Subject: another pale saints question
Subject: Re: fondlemyears
Subject: Re: pale saints question
Subject: Re: fondlemyears
Subject: Re: pretentious bores
Subject: Re: fondlemyears
Subject: Re: snowpony
Subject: Re: verve, schmerve
Subject: Re: another pale saints question
Subject: hmmm...another question
Subject: Re: {<<>>}
Subject: Re: Balanescu Quartet (Nyman & Satoh)
Subject: Judgement of Paris
Subject: Re: another pale saints question
Subject: Schroedinger ate my digital brain
Subject: Re: hmmm...another question
Subject: Re: pretentious bores
Subject: Re: fondlemyears
Subject: Re: Mail filters, where to get 'em
Subject: Curve/Scylla and stuff
Subject: Re: Balanescu Quartet (Nyman & Satoh)
Subject: Belly and The Wedding Present
Subject: Tanya Donnelly & Mojave 3
Subject: Re: hmmm...another question
Subject: the Grassy Knoll/ FSOL "dead cities"
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 19:54:20 -0800
>i, for one, am so bothered by the completely unrelated crap that this thread
>is cluttering my mailbox with... did i somehow get subscribed to the
>'completely useless crap that you'll get damn tired of deleting' list????
Deal with it.
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 20:04:59 -0500
Anybody interested in the Lonely is an Eyesore cd?
$12 + shipping
I will also take offers on the Cocteau Twins box set.
SINcerely
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:56:50 -0800
Anyone interested in the Maids of Gravity 1995 CD? I have a copy to
trade or sell.
Alex
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 14:22:57 -0700
> 'Possessed' *is* that Kraftwerk album. Funny I was actually listening to the
> Balanescus doing Michael Nyman's String Quartet pieces this morning. Nyman is
> worth checking into as well. Alex B. plays all over his stuff.
now, i'm surprised no one mentioned 'luminitza' which is absolutely
brilliant. and since no one has really described what they sound like,
here's the deal:
the b. quartet play fabulous string-based avant-classical music.
'luminitza' (written by a. balanescu and c. connors) has a wonderful
eastern european influence. what makes balanescu even more interesting is
his occasional use of vocals and drum programming.
for me, 'luminitza' is by far their best work. i had the chance to see
balanescu play in kassel, germany this past summer and the first half of
the show was pieces from 'lumintiza'. they started with "east"; that song
now gives me the shakes every time i hear it. the played it with immense
energy (as much of their work has). the second half of the show they
played with an ensemble and did pieces from the film soundtrack to _angels
& insects_. this work is also available on cd, but it has a different,
somewhat watered-down sound when compared to their other work (yet, it is
still wonderful and serene).
i also recommend 'possessed'. the kraftwerk covers are interesting and
fun. plus there is a track featuring silly vocals from miranda sex
garden. the encore at the show i saw was "model"; that sent the germans
into a frenzy! :)
nyman's string quartets (mentioned above) are also quite compelling and
energetic. bryars 'last days' is an interesting piece, but it doesn't
hold my attention. both these recordings are available on argo records.
finally, stay far, far away from the recordings balanescu did of volans
work....ugh! not good at all!
so, since we're on the avant-classical tip, does anyone have any opinions
about stephen scott's "bowed piano" work. i heard a bit on npr, and it
sounded pretty interesting. i'd hate to buy it and find something overly
new-age and silly, though.
robots,
mrk
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mrk ([email protected])
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 21:13:41 -0700
must...resist...urge...to....nitpick...ugh! it's not gonna happen, i have
to do it...
> blume, a German word literally meaning "flower" and pronounced like the
> American "bloom"
shouldn't that be "bloom-a" (uh, not eh) last i checked there were no
silent e's in german. :) now, let's just hope i beat larry to it. hee
hee...
okay...thislisty, ummm...let's see...heard the new tanya donnely ep. i'm
not particularly blown away...very straightforward with none of the weird
twists one would expect. the second track is a lovely ballad though. oh,
and gus gus...the music is very fab and funky, but i'm not over the vocals
yet (i'll never understand people who can just ignore vocals...).
okay...i'll shut up.
mrk
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 20:25:59 -0800
On Tue, 19 Nov 1996, Elizabeth A Grove wrote:
> Anybody interested in the Lonely is an Eyesore cd?
> $12 + shipping
Me! I am!
> I will also take offers on the Cocteau Twins box set.
>
> SINcerely
>
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 20:27:36 -0800
I hit the wrong button when I returned to that Eyesore offer to
the whole list... I know, and I apologize profusely for said error.
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:49:34 -0800
> Thanks to moran for describing the various pre-"Queer" Wolfgang Press
> albums. Does anyone know if there are any plans at all to release these
> in the US? I'd like to take a listen, but I'm not prepared to pay $22 for
> one...
>
> __________ ___________________ ________________________
> Jens Alfke Recovering C++ User [email protected] [work]
> [email protected] [play]
Well, I second that! I have most of that stuff on LP but haven't listened to it
or a long time, since my recored player broke (yeah! I know , i 'm a lazy ass fo
not fixing it).
Here are my 2 cents on the TWP records that I know of:
* The Burden of Mules (1983) Very odd, i like it least, no real singing, Mick Al
en just kinda lingers and talks (too bad 'cause I love his voice). INteresting
hough.
* Water EP and SweatBox (EP) (1983-84): The title tracks from here are also incl
ded in The Legendary. other tracks are even BETTER though. i like this stuff a l
t.
* The Legendary Wolfgang Press and other tall stories (1985) Excellent album my
econd favorite. This is TWP getting funky and noisy at the same time (hence the
alking Heads references they drew at the time). Includes that goofy version of A
etha Franklin's respect with Liz (CC) on backing vocals. Hilarious! Also include
my favorite "mood" track: "Ecstasy". The intro to that is just fab...
All tracks on this album are ecellent. (specially Deserve and Tremble)
* Standing Up Straight (1986) Their best album in my opinion. Still along the sa
e lines as Legendary only more mature. The best song ever written by those guys
and one of my all time faves) is I am the Crime which also features Liz and is a
moving piece of genius.
* Big Sex EP (1987) a great EP, I love The Wedding and The Great Leveller tracks
This is kinda similar to SUS only more "musical"
* Bird Wood Cage (1988) this is where TWP kinda broke from their "old school" st
le and started venturing into pure funk/dance. There are still tracks here which
are noisy and guitar driven and then some new style ones (are also really cool,
ust different).
* Queer (1991): Not really one of their best, probably my least favorite, comple
e departure into dancey stuff.
* Funky Little Demons (1995): Now TWP have established themselves as a dance/fun
band and are really good at it!!!! Check it out!
If you've read this far, you are obviously either a TWP fan and know all this in
which case you've wasted your time or really bored and need a hobby :)
But anyway, does anyone know what these blokes are up to? I heard that Mark is n
longer in the band....
-Lord Soth-
-The Death Knight-
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 01:29:15 -0500
at many of your promptings, i purchased a verve cd. i'm not too damned
impressed. too psychedelic and pompous and stadium-rock-esque. not why should
any of you give a crap about my totally unfounded opinion?
there is none, actually.
i'm going to listen to it more and will tell you all next week how much i really
love it and will you all trade me your bootlegs.
dave "down $12.44" sargent
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 01:29:20 -0500
someone once told me this story that i think is quite appropriate to this
analogue/digital thread. it has something to do with the choice between
quantization of electron energy and uniformity of the electron density. anyway,
it's named after a famous quantum chemist's theoretical box...any SMART chemists
out there that can help me remember this?
boy have i got a treat for you all! anyone care to trade or buy the palladins cd
along with a pretty poster of the same? i'll take anything by mephisto walz,
dirty three, or man...or astroman?....please reply PERSONALLY to :
[email protected]
i heard gus gus this weekend and think that the only thing i really like about
it is that it's NOT the palladins. nice, but....
quite a salesman i am.
personal to kelli jeane:
maybe the reason everyone is not welcoming you back with letters of affection
and adulation is because you screwed them over too! i'm beyond trying to get my
money back and working things out and have resorted to cynicism.
if you have no idea what it is i'm on about, then let me know and i'll explain
in detail.
love,
dave sargent
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:13:37 -0700
Sorry, just can't resist:
Jair VillaseJairor Debrodt wrote:
>The sounds of analog synth is a trip,are incredible, and the digital
>sounds never will copy!
>I love the analog synths
I'm with you there! But that's because the digital synths use very
different techniques to generate sounds (typically frequency-modulation
vs. filtering) and the sounds those techniques produce aren't as
interesting. It's possible to build a digital synth that simulates the
kind of filtering an analog synth does, although you'd need a fast CPU to
handle all the Fourier transforms in real time. But given enough
horsepower it would sound identical to your favorite TB303 or Korg or
VCS...
astrogate reveals:
>though you may want it to be, you are not a computer. you are a person;
>you have a spirit or soul; you feel emotion.
Since when does analog==emotion and digital==unemotion? Analog computers
are just as emotionless as the digital kind. The fact that we have no
fundamental understanding of things like consciousness or emotion doesn't
mean they cannot eventually be expressed in a mechanism we can
understand, whether digital or analog. We just don't know.
astrogate further intoned:
>we are like walking pieces of metal on the
>earth's magnetic surface. sounds, they follow this same principle. the
>universe is an infinate magnet of stars. magnetic tape=analog
>recording. music sticks to tape because the tape is magnetized. analog.
Groooooovy, man. Have another hit while I burst your bubble: magnetic
tape too is digital down at the molecular level. Every tiny crystal
domain in the oxide has a single magnetic orientation. Pack enough of the
crystals together in a small space and it averages out into something
that's a close enough approximation of analog for the likes of us. Okay,
you can stop coughing now...
Appalled at the lack of scientific literacy among the thislisty
population, I remain:
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 07:13:05 -0000
>> 'Possessed' *is* that Kraftwerk album. <<
Sorry for the temporary lapse in bibliographic knowledge, I meant, as
someone else has since mentioned, Luminitza.
If you like The Balanescu Quartet, by the way, you must check out
'Rachels.' 3 albums to date on Quarterstick: Handwriting, Music For Egon
Schiele, and The Sea and The Bells.
>
>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 12:33:07 EST
Tanya was on the Mark Radcliffe show last night performing
live. Played four songs in all, though I didn't really catch
any of the titles, mainly the EP I think. Seemed alright,
though none of them were good enough to make me stand up and
take notice.
On another note Dave Sargent wrote,
someone once told me this story that i think is quite appropriate to this
analogue/digital thread. it has something to do with the choice between
quantization of electron energy and uniformity of the electron density. anyway,
it's named after a famous quantum chemist's theoretical box...any SMART chemists
out there that can help me remember this?
Not really my field, but Shroedinger had a box which he liked to
put his cat into and theorize over whether it was there or not. As
you couldn't see inside the box you couldn't prove whether the cat
was there or not, unless you opened the box. Used to do all sorts
to the cat in the box like bombard it with electrons, but I never took
much interest. Got some sort of uncertainty principle named after it.
Steve.
[email protected]
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 12:12:42 -0200
"Elizabeth A Grove" at Nov 19, 96 08:04:59 pm
>
> Anybody interested in the Lonely is an Eyesore cd?
> $12 + shipping
I am very, VERY, VERY interested in buying it.
Ito
Evilness is inherent to human beings
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:50:45 EST
Pale Saints question:
Is the song, colours and shapes on a 4AD or Creation release.
Matt
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:27:12 -0500
On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Steven Hipkiss. wrote:
>
> Not really my field, but Shroedinger had a box which he liked to
> put his cat into and theorize over whether it was there or not. As
> you couldn't see inside the box you couldn't prove whether the cat
> was there or not, unless you opened the box. Used to do all sorts
> to the cat in the box like bombard it with electrons, but I never took
> much interest. Got some sort of uncertainty principle named after it.
for a fascinating and playful explaination of these and
various other quantum riddles, i emphatically recommend the
book "schrodinger's cat trilogy" by robert anton wilson.
..... but i still dont understand how schrodinger's simultaneously
dead and living cat informs the discussion of analog/digital
brain...
>
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:00:18 -0800
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 10:51:09 -0600
would anyone care to make a subjective comparison
between 'in ribbons and 'slow buildings'? I'm curious as to
the sound of the latter...
Steven
Steven Tillinghast (copyright 1971)
[email protected]
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 17:25:31 +0000
>.mark. wrote:
>>
>> must...resist...urge...to....nitpick...ugh! it's not gonna happen, i have
>> to do it...
Mark. it's ok to nitpick..... Listserves & newsgroups would die if people
didn't
do it ........
>did you at least check out our website????? you know what they say about
>a clawed flower by any other name....
What's the URL? Would be handy.................
Regards.
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 14:13:18 EST
---from Matt Neimark:
>Is the song, colours and shapes on a 4AD or Creation release.
I have the song on _Mrs. Dolphin_, which was only released in Japan, and
has the 4AD logo all over it. It's a compilation of the "Barging Into
the Presence of God" and "Half-Life" EPs, including the bonus track only
available on the vinyl version of the latter, plus two additional rare
(?) tracks. Someone recently mentioned here that the _Mrs_ CD is also
now out of print.
I'd be curious to find out if anyone knows where this song originally
came from...it's pretty lame, frankly, so figuring out why it was never
on a "proper" release isn't hard.
...and here's my nitpick du jour: the slack-jawed yokel's name is
"Cletus". ;G)
---Jeremy
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 10:26:50 -0800
> Okay...okay,
>
> I guess I SHOULD have stated, "blume........, But WE PRONOUNCE IT LIKE
> THE AMERICAN "BLOOM".....is that more acceptable to the nitpickers???
>
> perhaps we should barre the "u" and leave off the "e" for all you
> politically correcting people out there.
>
> did you at least check out our website????? you know what they say about
> a clawed flower by any other name....
>
> a l i s o n
> l o
> i s
> s i
> o l
> n o s i l a
>
Um, I am most interested in checking out the website, only one thing, i fail to
ind the URL in the message above :)
I don't mean to be nitpicky, just thought a little sarcasm in the morning would
e refreshing.
-NBZ-
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 14:45:18 PST
On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 19:54:20 -0800 "Ms. Michelle Draeger"
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:46:24 -0800
.mark. wrote:
>
> must...resist...urge...to....nitpick...ugh! it's not gonna happen, i have
> to do it...
>
> > blume, a German word literally meaning "flower" and pronounced like the
> > American "bloom"
>
> shouldn't that be "bloom-a" (uh, not eh) last i checked there were no
> silent e's in german. :) now, let's just hope i beat larry to it. hee
> hee...
>
> okay...thislisty, ummm...let's see...heard the new tanya donnely ep. i'm
> not particularly blown away...very straightforward with none of the weird
> twists one would expect. the second track is a lovely ballad though. oh,
> and gus gus...the music is very fab and funky, but i'm not over the vocals
> yet (i'll never understand people who can just ignore vocals...).
>
> okay...i'll shut up.
> mrk
Okay...okay,
I guess I SHOULD have stated, "blume........, But WE PRONOUNCE IT LIKE
THE AMERICAN "BLOOM".....is that more acceptable to the nitpickers???
perhaps we should barre the "u" and leave off the "e" for all you
politically correcting people out there.
did you at least check out our website????? you know what they say about
a clawed flower by any other name....
a l i s o n
l o
i s
s i
o l
n o s i l a
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 12:52:40 -0500
>Katharine "Used to be in Stereolab" Gifford's Snowpony (with Deb
>"Used to be in My Bloody Valentine" Goodge on bass) are a fairly
> mundane, messy, run-of-the-mill indie rock thing - single "Easy Way
> Down" has enough noise to give them that left-field image but not
> enough to scare off the punters.
i thought the same thing when i listened to this ep, but then i thought,
"give it a chance." listened to it a few more times and i have to say i
like it quite a bit...crashing backwards guitar loop in "easy way down" is
a nice touch..."easy way down" is by far the best song on the ep...the
second track is a bit more run-of-the-mill, but still likeable...the last
song, "hank williams' ass," (i'm not kidding) frightens me -- for more
reasons than just the name (like katharine gifford singing about what she'd
do just to lick the sweat off of hank williams' ass...) the music's not
too great either, but this ep is worth it for the title track...
BiZ
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:48:42 -0700
Dave Sargent bemoans:
>at many of your promptings, i purchased a verve cd. i'm not too damned
>impressed. too psychedelic and pompous and stadium-rock-esque.
If it wasn't "The Verve EP" (or one of the original singles that comprise
it) you can't say I didn't warn you...
If it _was_ "The Verve EP", you need to listen to "She's a Superstar" and
"Feel" on autorepeat for a few hours. Then you'll understand.
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 14:25:01 -0500
96 10:51:09 am
> would anyone care to make a subjective comparison
> between 'in ribbons and 'slow buildings'? I'm curious as to
> the sound of the latter...
if you like the female (meriel) singer on 'in ribbons' then you'll proabaly
like 'slow buildings' - ian left the band and meriel took over the majority
of the singing along with their new bassist (who was the cousin of someone
on 4ad-l if my memory is correct).
with pale saints being one of my favorite 4ad bands, i find myself biased
towards the ian-era band. 'slow buildings' has some great moments though,
and i'd definitely recommend it - it's just a very far cry from early pale
saints.
Keith
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 15:22:53 -0600
This might have been asked to death already, but in my
defense I didn't see anything mentioned in the FAQ...
Is there any availability for the 'Sixteen Days' EP by This
Mortal Coil? I have seen it once in my life, in a Hollywood
record shop about five years ago. It bore a fairly normal
price tag, and the only reason I didn't pick up it was that I
hadn't been sufficiently introduced to TMC's work at that
point. Since then, I have heaped a thousand curses upon
myself for that moment of adolescent nonchalance...
Sct
Steven Tillinghast (copyright 1971)
[email protected]
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 20:29:42 PST
jens writes:
>Since when does analog==emotion and digital==unemotion? Analog computers
>are just as emotionless as the digital kind.
I resent that. my computer is just as emotional as I am. I'm not joking
now. see, there's no direct evidence to human emotion. do a complete and
thorough analysis of a human body and tell me if you found the organ/s
that contain the emotion and desires. we deduce the existence of emotions
by looking at human behaviour in their environment. anyone who had worked
with a computer for any significant amount of time, will be able to tell
you stories about computer "moods" or "emotions". meaning that the
computer behaved in a way that wasn't consistent with the simple
action-reaction expected from it. but this is exactly why we think we see
emotions in humans. so why not drop the "s and say computers have
feelings or acknowledge the neither computers or humans have them.
>appalled at the lack of scientific literacy among the thislisty
>population
yes but who needs scientific literacy when you have music.
not a shred of sarcasm was meant in the above statement.
nor that one.
really.
-naor-
"I wanted to know the exact dimensions of hell"
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:46:17 -0700
.mark. wrote:
>nyman's string quartets (mentioned above) are also quite compelling and
>energetic.
I have a recording of the Kronos Quartet playing some of Nyman's
quartets. However, even better I think is Nyman's soundtrack to the film
"Carrington" which is based on his 3rd quartet. It has a lot of moods but
keeps coming back to the really beautiful and sad refrain from the 3rd
quartet. Lovely.
And I have to plug one of the most haunting and moving string pieces I
[q.v. my review of Elysian Fields] I played by chance at a listening
station in a store and was astonished by -- I quite seriously did just
about start to cry after hearing the first thirty seconds... It's got
swooping heavenly bits, weird dissonance, and many moments of pure
silence where it fades into the distance, thinks a bit, and comes back
again in different form. It's on New Albion and I can't recommend it too
highly.
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 18:21:59 +0100
The have two albums (at least the ones I know of):
Conversion (C'est la mort) 1992?
Signal (some obscure label, self released, probably).1993?
they are about equal quality and, I guess, rather hard to find these days.
Along the lines of earlier Eden, good listen for DCD fans: long rythmic
instrumentals with hammered dulcimer melodic lines, rather well done. Deep
make vocals are as Sean's but not as melodramatic.
I had their email address+ they have some sort of multimedia
thingie for PC..email me privately.
Boroda
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 13:43:29 -0500
"In Ribbons" is by far the better of the two, IMO. It seems you've heard it
already, so I'll not describe it.
As for "Slow Buildings", the title is fairly indicative of many of the songs
on the LP. There are a few songs that are really long, and many of them
have some slow moments in them. Meriel was the principal songwriter on this
record, and she borrowed a lot of chords and riffs from "In Ribbons", which
helps it to still sound like Pale Saints. Overall, "Slow Buildings" is much
rougher around the edges, less delicate, less ironic, and much less
moody-and-arty-a-la-Ian Masters. It's a diverse record, but at the same
time not too mind-blowing. There's quite a bit of distortion in songs like
"Henry" (one of the best on the record IMO, but 10 minutes long!), "Song of
Solomon" (quite a bit of aggression), and "Under Your Nose". There are
tracks like "King Fade"--an atmospheric instrumental--which seems to remind
me of some earlier PS work; "Fine Friend" (the single), "Suggestion", "One
Blue Hill", and "Gesture of a Fear" which are all nice and melodic and
moody, and then "Angel (will you be my)" and "Always I", which are very
poppy and not that great.
Few of the tracks on "Slow Buildings" really don't compare too much with "In
Ribbons" as far as I'm concerned.
When they were on tour, I had a chat with Meriel about their sound on "Slow
Buildings" and I mentioned how much the songs had a more feminine aura about
them now compared to before. Her face lit up in agreement, so I suppose I
hit upon something there. I mean, naturally, the band is now--or was--two
women and two men as opposed to 3 men and one woman, so there's going to be
some difference--especially with one of the women writing the songs and
doing all the singing, with the other woman as backup. I dunno...it's not
"feminine" like Lush are feminine. It's a different sorta thing altogether.
Darker or something.
Mike
[email protected]
At 10:51 AM 11/20/96 -0600, you wrote:
>would anyone care to make a subjective comparison
>between 'in ribbons and 'slow buildings'? I'm curious as to
>the sound of the latter...
>
>Steven
>
>Steven Tillinghast (copyright 1971)
>[email protected]
>
>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:55:54 -0700
dan'l writes:
> ..... but i still dont understand how schrodinger's simultaneously
> dead and living cat informs the discussion of analog/digital
> brain...
My take is that, while the wave function expresses a continuous
distribution of _probabilities_, any actual observation or experience we
have is of the waveform collapsed into particular discrete quantum
states. Hence our brains can be considered digital despite the analog
nature of the waveform.
(Personally I subscribe to the many-worlds interpretation, where the
waveform merely describes the branching of the universe at every
observation. In this case the universe at any instant is always quantized
with the analog behavior being limited to describing the relative
magnitudes of the different branches.)
>Twas bryllyg, and the slythy toves [email protected]
^ ^
That's "brillig" ... incidentally, Jeff Noon of "Vurt" fame has
just
come out with a tongue-in-cheek sequel/parody of the "Alice" books
entitled "Automated Alice" in which Our Heroine escapes through
the
innards of a clock into 1998. Reminds me a lot of the dialogs in
"Goedel, Escher, Bach" as well. The writing's a bit too self-
consciously clever but it's an amusing read and the cover design
is brilliant.
Isn't someone going to review the new Labradford or Bowery Electric,
whether here or on the pure-impure list? They just showed up at Parasol
so I may buy 'em both anyway...
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[email protected] [play]
Paget saw an Irish tooth, Sir, in a waste gap.
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 14:29:14 -0800
Steven Tillinghast asks:
>Is there any availability for the 'Sixteen Days' EP by This
>Mortal Coil? I have seen it once in my life, in a Hollywood
>record shop about five years ago. It bore a fairly normal
>price tag, and the only reason I didn't pick up it was that I
>hadn't been sufficiently introduced to TMC's work at that
>point. Since then, I have heaped a thousand curses upon
>myself for that moment of adolescent nonchalance...
I have a copy (vinyl, natch) of this ... I'm assuming it's rare? Does
anyone know what it's considered to be worth? I might part with it if the
price were right.
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Jens Alfke Recovering C++ User [email protected] [work]
[email protected] [play]
I'll stand in front of you take the force of the blow protection
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 17:09:03 -0600
Don't worry, tom, I can understand your stance on the whole
people-who-respond-to-just-about-anything-and-make-irrelevant-remarks thing,
but I guess we've all got shit to shovel through if we want to find our
treasure. Frankly, I've been doing it it my cat's litter box for months and
haven't found a damn thing yet! nancy
At 02:45 PM 11/20/96 PST, you wrote:
>On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 19:54:20 -0800 "Ms. Michelle Draeger"
>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 18:32:48 -0800
kevin hankey wrote:
>
> >.mark. wrote:
> >>
> >> must...resist...urge...to....nitpick...ugh! it's not gonna happen, i have
> >> to do it...
>
> Mark. it's ok to nitpick..... Listserves & newsgroups would die if people
> didn't
> do it ........
>
> >did you at least check out our website????? you know what they say about
> >a clawed flower by any other name....
>
> What's the URL? Would be handy.................
>
> Regards.
> Hankey.
> _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
>
> graphic design
> @ Webmedia
>
> Waving flags in space.......
>
> h > (0181) 840 0182 w > (0171) 317 1339 f > (0171) 224 7049
>
> http://www.choke.net
> http://www.webmedia.com
...and the URL for blume is http://www.pil.net/blume...I thought I
already put this up, but just for good measure and list citizenship...
a l i s o n
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n o s i l a
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 00:44:58 +0100
And lo!, Jens Alfke spake unto the masses:
> Unix users have a variety of stone-age command-line based email programs
> to choose from that still do some pretty fancy filtering if you can
> figure out the typically-cryptic Unix syntax. (Do any of the GUI mail
> tools do filters?) If anyone can fill in more details on the Unix side,
> do so by all means. Perhaps I should turn this thing into a FAQ.
There are lots of X-based (ie GUI) mailers which can do filtering:
zMail, UMT etc.
Actually, in an UNIX enviroment, any mail client can use filtering if the
local delivery agent is capable of this - for instance, one can use
- procmail
- deliver
- or even "filter" from the ELM package
for local mail transport, then mail-filtering is available for every
user on the system, no matter what mail client is used.
++roland
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...only the madman is absolutely sure...
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 18:37:52 +0100
Thought I would comment on my, probably, favorite band ever.
1. New single. 3 songs, first one is bad, two others- basic Curve a-la
"Crystal","Women are from Venus.." and "Original" track from Leftfields.
Not much progression, tho, but I really like the stuff anyway.. The team is
the same, can't fortell much, but they have potential for sure.
2.Scylla n'stuff. I wouldn't really bother for Toni's solo work. She
certainly matured over the years, but, IMHO, has a strong leaning towards
Eurythmics kinda pop (I llove Eurythmics..duck). The whole thing was
hatched by D.Stewart anyway, but Dean and Toni's State of Play album or
Toni's later solo album are complete disaster. It's almost as you need this
voice to compliment Dean's (don't forget Moulder's input as well!) sonic
treatments.
3.There was a mention that Dean was writing "flying saucer's music" during
the hiatus- it'd be really interesting to see if it'll see the
light'o'the'day.
with a revived hope to see Curve live
Boroda
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 18:47:37 -0700
> I have a recording of the Kronos Quartet playing some of Nyman's
> quartets. However, even better I think is Nyman's soundtrack to the film
> "Carrington" which is based on his 3rd quartet. It has a lot of moods but
> keeps coming back to the really beautiful and sad refrain from the 3rd
> quartet. Lovely.
...when i saw this film i recognized these pieces as being part of one of
the quartets that balanescu performs on the nyman quartet cd. in fact, i
was somewhat under the impression that the soundtrack pieces were played
by balanescu, but i could certainly be wrong. i know that nyman wrote
most of his quartets with balanescu in mind, so i believe their rendering
is probably one of the best.
...and as an aside, though i really enjoy what the kronos quartet did with
philip glass's string pieces, i would generally rank balanescu as being
the more superior and interesting of the two.
still no one with opinions on stephen scott's "bowed piano" work???
where then is the avant/nouveau-classical list?
oh, and dns, i don't wanna hear any teasing about carrington and emma
thompson, okay?! :)
.
mrk ([email protected])
.
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 21:23:43 -0500
i saw at least ten cassette tapes of The Wedding Present, BBC sessions
for $2.99, (i was way too cheap to pick that one up since i already had
hnia's "universal frequencies," cd #1 and "stars on esp" in my hot little
hands).
and that Belly King book thing, (say that ten times fast!)... for $9.99,
brand new! (i think i paid twice that when it came out). too bad the cd isn't
as fantastic as the packaging, but i enjoyed it nonetheless.
anyways, these are available at Rhino Records in Claremont, CA. or i can
pick 'em up for those who are interested.
~marie aka [email protected]
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 18:51:40 EST
I was in a shitty mood when I went out tonight, and was fully prepared t
be very cynical. I had no idea who Tanya's support band were to be, so I was
more than pleasantly surprised to see Neil, Rachel et al walk on to the stage.
The set was full of new stuff - the only things off the last album that they
played were Where Is The Love and Sarah - but it was brilliant. They are
seriously Laurel Canyon 1972 in parts, but there is something about them which
really gets under the skin. I was well impressed, and I'm still under the spell
of Rachel Goswell - but that's my problem.
Tanya's band included the angel-voiced Mary Lorson, and the supergeek
Billy Cote from Madder Rose as well as three others whose names I forget.
Listen, forget Belly. I saw them four times, and Tanya's set of entirely new
songs pisses on that old stuff. I was rude about 'Human' when I reviewed the
promo twelve, but it sounded great live - 'Bum' took two starts, but was pretty
fine too - but there are a lot of songs in the set much better than either of
those. This was easily the best post-Muses Tanya show I've seen. I had a side
bet of a beer with a friend that they'd do a Madder Rose song as one of the
encores, and sure enough they played 'Car Song'. A really great show. (by the
way - this is a review of Manchester, UK, Hop & Grape - I neglected to mention
that. Forgive me, I'm a bit pissed)
- Dez
PS Rich H, or anyone in the know - Kristen's baby is due about now. Any news? I
hope mother and sprog are fine.