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Subject: Re: wolfgang press
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 21:22:04 +0000
From: moran@hal-pc.org
Subject: Balanescu Quartet
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 23:35:48 -0600
From: PATINO MORELL MARCO A (dg084252@UDLAPVMS.PUE.UDLAP.MX)
Subject: Re: after the flood/Leaf querry
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 21:11:15 -0800
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG)" (gman2@SPRYNET.COM)
Subject: Lisa Germano fans?
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 00:05:58 +0000
From: moran@hal-pc.org
Subject: Topolino
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 17:25:36 -0800
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: {<<>>}
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 13:31:53 -0800
From: navigator (astrogate@earthlink.net)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 17 Nov 1996 to 18 Nov 1996
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 18:36:47 +1100
From: Matthew Kirkcaldie (matthewk@POSTOFFICE.UTAS.EDU.AU)
Subject: Re: {<<>>}
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:48:42 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: wolfgang press
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:02:43 -0600
From: Charles You Kim (ckim10@ICARUS.CC.UIC.EDU)
Subject: take a valium
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 03:31:46 -0500
From: Kelli-Jeanne Drum (Noisegirly@AOL.COM)
Subject: digital vs. analogue (again!)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 01:33:08 +0600
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: a funny thing happened on the way to cyberspace...
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 15:29:32 EST
From: Coal Black Smith (aleppo@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Slash infusion
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 17:27:14 -0800
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Curve/Scylla
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 19:20:52 -0500
From: schokokeks (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: {<<>>}
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 08:49:17 EST
From: Jair VillaseJairor Debrodt (jair@CICC.CUAUTITLAN2.UNAM.MX)
Subject: Re: Judgement of Paris
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 08:37:26 -0500
From: jawolfe (jawolfe@INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: magnets etc
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:56:54 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Judgement of Paris
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:04:18 -0500
From: Matt Walburn/Summer Holiday (mdwalbur@STUDENT.BERKLEE.EDU)
Subject: rhp on tour with maids of gravity?
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:00:01 -0500
From: JRR TOLKIEN (GGNL44A@PRODIGY.COM)
Subject: kelly deal pasted from ATN
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:06:31 -0500
From: lee harvey fnordwald (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Balanescu Quartet
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 14:39:49 -0000
From: "Whittaker David (Exchange)" (WhittakerD@LOGICA.COM)
Subject: Re: Balanescu Quartet
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:38:32 -0500
From: RBNRy@AOL.COM
Subject: discography info
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 17:05:59 +0000
From: Matt Cope (nestor@BLISBARN.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: wolfgang press
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:26:04 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Balanescu Quartet
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:51:01 +0600
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Mail filters, where to get 'em
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:26:03 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: fondlemyears
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 17:47:01 -0800
From: alison lorraine (alison@PIL.NET)
Subject: X-Mal
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 17:06:06 -0500
From: Elizabeth A Grove (egrove@IC.SUNYSB.EDU)
Subject: Re: digital vs. analogue (again!)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:54:51 -0800
From: David Packer (pack9443@UIDAHO.EDU)
Subject: Re: Curve
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 18:05:39 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Sloan, sorry its not 4AD is it?
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:00:00 EST
From: Cameron Webb (cameronw@CIDM.WH.SU.EDU.AU)
Subject: Re: Balanescu Quartet
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:01:41 -0800
From: Peter Repetti (repetti@NATURE.BERKELEY.EDU)

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 21:22:04 +0000
From: moran@hal-pc.org
Subject: Re: wolfgang press


> Well, I think "The Burden of Mules" is the LP contemporaneous to "Cut the
> Tree", so it probably sounds like that.  I actually have "The Burden of
> Mules", but it's on vinyl, and I don't have a turntable, so I've never been
> able to listen to it.  I know...an inexcusable travesty.

No, _The Burden of Mules_ came out in 1983.  _Lonely Is an Eyesore_,
on which "Cut the Tree" appears, came out in 1987.  Not
contemporaneous at all.  _Standing Up Straight_ came out in 1986,
while _The Big Sex_ ep came out in 1987.  _The Big Sex_ is available
on disc on the Japanese 1987 12" anthology (very difficult to find and
very expensive if you do), and the _Birdwood Cage_ cd.  While I
personally think that The Wolfgang Press are one of the greatest
bands ever, and that you can't go wrong with any of their albums, if
you are looking for something that is closest in sound and texture to
"Cut the Tree" then _Standing Up Straight_ is probably your best bet.
 I should add, however, that I am of the opinion that "Cut the Tree"
is one of their worst songs, and one of the most straight-ahead they
had recorded, at least until 1990.  If you're a Cocteaus fan then
_SUS_ has the added advantage of a very pretty collaboration with Liz
on the last track.  Liz also sings backups on a song on one of the
eps compiled on the _Legendary Tales of the Wolfgang Press_ disc,
but that one is not so pretty--being a hilariously attrocious cover
of "Respect".

As far as _Burden of Mules_ is concerned, I think Mr. Borum ought to
give it a listen--rather harsh, being extremely derivative of early
PiL.  But I like it all the same.  If only Ivo would rerelease that
on cd instead of wasting his time with the Paladins....

Oh, and there's no way in hell I would ever part with *any* of my TWP
cds ;)

moran@hal-pc.org

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 23:35:48 -0600
From: PATINO MORELL MARCO A (dg084252@UDLAPVMS.PUE.UDLAP.MX)
Subject: Balanescu Quartet


On Mon, 18 Nov 1996, rogers asked:

>
> I love Rachel...what do the balanescu quartet sound like?
>
                                           I only know the cd where they
                                       do mostly violin (chords) covers of
                                      kraftwerk, and one from david byrne
                                  plus some songs composed by Alexander
                                                              Balanescu...

                            It is there another album from them?

                                                thanks!

 ps. just heard some rumors that an independent mexican label will
distribute or probably publish locally some stuff from guernica..I wonder
if this is true still though...

Marco

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 21:11:15 -0800
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG)" (gman2@SPRYNET.COM)
Subject: Re: after the flood/Leaf querry


>     some time ago, someone posted a review of an album by a group
>called after the flood.  what i want to know is where did you get it?
>soleilmoon had it in their catalog, but stopped carrying it.  are
>there any other places where i can get this album?  thanks!

that was probably me.
but all my flailings about AtF and Lucid usually go ignored (and interpreted as
paid-PR for C/Z and ae. go figure).

the first After the Flood album is probably LONG out of print. but you can try
to contact Clark Von Trotha c/o CZ records (czrecords@nwlink.com). if anyone can
get you one, he's the man.

the new Lucid is absolutely stunning, called _Idylls & the Secret Remain_,
packaged like a blessed work of art, and worth everyone's hard-earned cabbage.
i just went over-the-top praising it for AP #103 (March'97? April? who
knows!)... so look for that.

if anyone needs more AtF/Lucid information, i'll gladly hook you up.
just e-mail me and let me know.

GuerillaG2-G4

...does anyone hooked into the 4AD foodchain have a clue what's upcoming from
Leaf? they've been lurking in the shadows since the Sons of Silence 12". the
world needs more foliage. 'specially now, with the barrenness of early Winter
upon us.

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 00:05:58 +0000
From: moran@hal-pc.org
Subject: Lisa Germano fans?


If there are any lisa germano fans out here I have a find that you
may be interested in:

At a local used cd store is an import, advanced release copy of her
most recent album (cad 6012 if i recall correctly).  The cd is in
digipak, and except for a sticker on it stating that it is an advance
release I don't think there is any damage or gold print or any of the
other nasty things that record labels do to their promos.  If
interested, email me.

moran@hal-pc.org


Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 17:25:36 -0800
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Topolino


LUSH
"Topolino"
4AD/PolyGram

"Topolino" is the latest release from Lush, featuring single versions of
tracks from their recent album "Lovelife", plus b-sides and previously
unreleased material. Originally released in Japan, the Canadian version
of this album features 4 tracks which are domestically exclusive and
will not be found on import versions of "Topolino". As an added
incentive this album is available at Special Price.

CD-only, 76974 2110-2.
Available November 20, 1996

Track Listing...
500 (Shake Baby Shake)
I Have The Moon
Ex
I Wanna Be Your Girlfriend
Matador
Piledriver
I'd Like To Walk Around In Your Mind
Carmen
Plums & Oranges
Heavenly
Demystification
Tinkerbell
Dear Me

Jeff Keibel
Scarborough, ON
CANADA
redshift@interlog.com

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 13:31:53 -0800
From: navigator (astrogate@earthlink.net)
Subject: Re: {<<>>}


Jens Alfke wrote:
> Astronavigation (which I've never heard of before) wrote:
> >the universe is analog.         http://home.earthlink.net/~astrogate
>
> Naw, the universe is digital. All states are quantized ... Our inner ears> Fee
ing like stirring up another analog vs. digital debate,


though you may want it to be, you are not a computer.  you are a person;
you have a spirit or soul; you feel emotion.

humans, and all other earth dwellers, can not float out into space
because of gravity.  the nine planets of the solar system rotate around
the sun because of gravity.  we are like walking pieces of metal on the
earth's magnetic surface.  sounds, they follow this same principle.  the
universe is an infinate magnet of stars.  magnetic tape=analog
recording. music sticks to tape because the tape is magnetized. analog.

the universe is analog.         http://home.earthlink.net/~astrogate


Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 18:36:47 +1100
From: Matthew Kirkcaldie (matthewk@POSTOFFICE.UTAS.EDU.AU)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 17 Nov 1996 to 18 Nov 1996


Jens wrote (in a post something like one I read here two or three years ago
... !):

>Naw, the universe is digital. All states are quantized ... Our inner ears
>are digital too, with each individual hair cell responding to a specific
>frequency. In effect the cochlea is performing a D/A conversion on the
>sound in the frequency domain before it ever hits your brain.
>
>Feeling like stirring up another analog vs. digital debate

Much as it would be cool to have that happening, regarding the changing
pattern of activity across a set of non-linear things like neurons as
"digital" is a long way from the truth.  The whole "brain is digital"
viewpoint is telling such a small part of the story that it's essentially
meaningless, or missing the point at best.  Saying that the universe is
quantised is much the same, disregarding the fundamentally probabilistic
picture painted by quantum mechanics.  Hard to get more analogue than an
interdependent net of probability amplitudes - the system is only quantised
in terms of the numbers which determine those probabilities.

I have no idea whether digital or analogue is cooler, since I seem to like
music that completely blurs that distinction these days.

Is this what I said last time this point came up?  If so, sorry!

                Cheers,

                        Matthew.

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:48:42 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: {<<>>}


Astronavigation (which I've never heard of before) wrote:

>the universe is analog.         http://home.earthlink.net/~astrogate

Naw, the universe is digital. All states are quantized ... Our inner ears
are digital too, with each individual hair cell responding to a specific
frequency. In effect the cochlea is performing a D/A conversion on the
sound in the frequency domain before it ever hits your brain.

Feeling like stirring up another analog vs. digital debate,


__________          ___________________          ________________________
Jens Alfke          Recovering C++ User          jens@apple.com     [work]
                                                 jens@mooseyard.com [play]

      Goodnight stars   Goodnight air   Goodnight noises everywhere
                                            _____________________________
                                            http://www.mooseyard.com/Jens/

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:02:43 -0600
From: Charles You Kim (ckim10@ICARUS.CC.UIC.EDU)
Subject: Re: wolfgang press


I have a turntable hooked up to a cassette system.  If you want, I can
make a dub for you.  I understand copyright laws, but would it be alright
if I make my own dub.  If you're interested my address is
ckim10@icarus.cc.uic.edu.


On Mon, 18 Nov 1996, Michael Borum wrote:

> Well, I think "The Burden of Mules" is the LP contemporaneous to "Cut the
> Tree", so it probably sounds like that.  I actually have "The Burden of
> Mules", but it's on vinyl, and I don't have a turntable, so I've never been
> able to listen to it.  I know...an inexcusable travesty.
>
> Mike
> iceblink@tiac.net
>
>
> At 10:51 PM 11/17/96 -0600, you wrote:
> >i was just listening to Cut The Tree on the Lonely is an Eyesore comp. and wa

> >wondering if the wolfgang press has done any full albums with that sort of
> >sound.  and if anyone happens to have a copy of that album for sale please le

> >me know.
> >
> >sara
> >
> >
>

Charles Kim
___________________________________________________________________________
ckim10@icarus.cc.uic.edu
809 S Damen SSR Room 1516A
Chicago IL 60612
(312) 355-7412
___________________________________________________________________________


Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 03:31:46 -0500
From: Kelli-Jeanne Drum (Noisegirly@AOL.COM)
Subject: take a valium


  to all who get pissed off too easily:

  APOLOGIES for writing a cheesy paragraph saying that i was back after
  a long, unexplained absence. i even injected a geeky defever-ism in it to
try
  to keep it oh-so "thislisty"....but i see, some of you just didn't get it,
didn't
  miss me {i didn't expect anyone to, anyway}, or didn't care overall.
whatever
  your personal beef...oh well. sorry. but i did miss *some* people on this
list,
  and since i have NO E-MAIL ADDRESSES handy to give a personal
  salutation to each person on the list that i cared about, i gave a public
one.

  i write this publically because i feel it is needed...as it is my
explanation of
  why i did what i did...and other fuming listies can read it and delete it
with
  the rest of the filler and info.

  *kj*

  ....and i'm not proud to be flaky. i am a PROUD SMART-ASS....

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 01:33:08 +0600
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: digital vs. analogue (again!)

              Nov 1996 18:36:47 +1100

>   >Naw, the universe is digital. All states are quantized
>   ...
>   Saying that the universe is
>   quantised is much the same, disregarding the
>   fundamentally probabilistic picture painted by quantum
>   mechanics.  Hard to get more analogue than an
>   interdependent net of probability amplitudes - the
>   system is only quantised in terms of the numbers which
>   determine those probabilities....

Deja vu!

>   Is this what I said last time this point came up?  If
>   so, sorry!

Oh, that's it.  I *have* heard all this before.

But do you really think that saying that the brain/universe are quantized (and
therefore "digital") is "disregarding the fundamentally probabilistic picture
painted by quantum mechanics" ?   I don't think so.  It *would* be grossly naive
to think that because the universe (or some portion thereof) is made up of
quanta that we could perceive these quantized states as discontinuous.  After
all, i can tell Clitus the slack jawed yokel that the cartoon that he just
appeared in was made up of several drawn frames displayed in rapid succession,
but that wouldn't mean that he would be able to perceive it as such.  But for
Clitus to assert that his world is a continuous procession of fluid motion
(i.e., analogue) is just plain wrong.

-cz  ... some folks'll never lose a toe
         and then again some folks'll
         like Clitus the slack jawed yokel

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 15:29:32 EST
From: Coal Black Smith (aleppo@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: a funny thing happened on the way to cyberspace...


> > >  Mmm...flaky
> >
> >   pardon? i do so hope you are not calling me flaky..otherwise, i'll have to
> >   put a curse on you...and that's just SUCH a hassle, what with the whole
> >   karma thing and all....
> >
> >   toodles,
> >   *k*  official cutesy flake of the 4ad-l
> >
>
> For lack of anything musical to discuss this morning..
> Why is everyone so bothered by k-j's little "cutesy flakiness"?
> I , for one, kinda enjoyed the narrative when I read the original message.
>
> And by the way k-j, you wouldn't be a "magic" adept would you? 'Cause that's w
at I kinda inferred from the conversation.
>
> -Lord Soth-

i, for one, am so bothered by the completely unrelated crap that this thread
is cluttering my mailbox with...  did i somehow get subscribed to the
'completely useless crap that you'll get damn tired of deleting' list????

i didnt think so.
some of us arent lucky enough to have filters that get rid of shit like this
for us.  i have to open the stupid peice of mail before i know what's in it.
i was deluded enough to think i would be reading really clever and useful
tidbits about 4ad artists ive enjoyed for the past 10 years.  instead i get
this.  people that are proud to be flaky.

maybe this could be taken off-list to private email.
we dont all care.

sorry for my ramblings to those of you who also dont care and have no mail
filter.

-=robn


Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 17:27:14 -0800
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Slash infusion


Available from November 20, 1996...

Slash Records formed as an off-shoot of the infamous L.A. punk magazine
of the same name. In the beginning, Slash Records provided a means for a
few worthy bands to make records that the major labels deemed
"uncommercial", and has gone on to build a catalogue of landmark
records. Now, the Slash catalogue is available via London Records and
includes classic West Coast punk and essential top sellers. Several of
the initial titles including The Misfits, Germs and Dream Syndicate have
never been available on compact disc domestically. Other titles are
available via PolyGram Special Imports, with more to come in the new
year.

DREAM SYNDICATE Days Of Wine & Roses    CD      422 828 038-2
The debut album from the Dream Syndicate, now available on CD for the
first time. "Living proof that indelible melodies and a solid back beat
will support a ton of feedback and white noise shenanigans. Great songs,
great band" - Don Waller, L.A. Times

FAITH NO MORE   Introduce Yourself      CD      422 828 051-2
This 1987 album introduced most people to Faith No More and their
powerful blend of heavy rock and rap with the track "We Care A Lot". The
album set the standard for the next decade.

GERMS   M.I.A.  CD      422 828 808-2
The progenitors of left coast punk, fronted by the prodigal son of pain
- Darby Crash. This album is ground zero for So Cal punk rock and the
fall-out is still with us today.

GRANT LEE BUFFALO       Fuzzy   CD      422 828 389-2
The first Grant record is chock full of hits yet to be discovered. This
CD has more sales left in it than there are shrimp in a shrimp farm.

THE MISFITS     Walk Among Us   CD      422 828 811-2
Led by Glenn Danzig, The Misfits were one of the most influential groups
in American hardcore. This is one of their best albums, available for
the first time on CD domestically. Includes "20 Eyes", "I Turned Into A
Martian", "Nike A Go Go", "Mommy Can I Go Out And Kill Tonight" and
"Brain Eaters".

VIOLENT FEMMES  Violent Femmes  CD      422 828 035-2
Their debut album and one of the best sellers in the catalogue. Includes
"Blister In The Sun" "The Femmes combine the conversational tone of
folkie Dylan with the wicked back hand of the best Lou Reed, all marked
by surprisingly catchy pop hooks" - Robert Palmer, New York Times

VIOLENT FEMMES  Hallowed Ground CD      422 828 273-2
While the Violent Femmes first record was an out and out celebration of
the fullness of life, "Hallowed Ground" is an exploration of the
subliminal spiritual decay of our time, and is considered a masterpiece.

Jeff Keibel
Scarborough, ON
CANADA
redshift@interlog.com


Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 19:20:52 -0500
From: schokokeks (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Curve/Scylla


>Okay, now this is the first I've ever heard of Scylla.  Who else
>participated in this "project"?

No idea. It doesn't seem as if Toni got much done on her own.

> (And it was originally formed as a
>touring band?)

They did play live at least once, opening for Verve.

>Is their sole output the track on the "Showgirls"
>soundtrack?  *shudder*

Apparently. If anything else was released, it must have received no publicity.


>WANT TO SUBSCRIBE

but...can't...overcome...crushing...inertia...


Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 08:49:17 EST
From: Jair VillaseJairor Debrodt (jair@CICC.CUAUTITLAN2.UNAM.MX)
Subject: Re: {<<>>}

              18, 96 11:48 am

>
> Astronavigation (which I've never heard of before) wrote:
>
> >the universe is analog.         http://home.earthlink.net/~astrogate
>
> Naw, the universe is digital. All states are quantized ... Our inner ears
> are digital too, with each individual hair cell responding to a specific
> frequency. In effect the cochlea is performing a D/A conversion on the
> sound in the frequency domain before it ever hits your brain.
>
> Feeling like stirring up another analog vs. digital debate,
>
>
> __________          ___________________          ________________________
> Jens Alfke          Recovering C++ User          jens@apple.com     [work]
>                                                  jens@mooseyard.com [play]
>
>       Goodnight stars   Goodnight air   Goodnight noises everywhere
>                                             _____________________________
>                                             http://www.mooseyard.com/Jens/
>

The sounds of analog synth is a trip,are incredible, and the digital sounds neve
 will copy!
I love the analog synths

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 08:37:26 -0500
From: jawolfe (jawolfe@INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Judgement of Paris


so how many release(s) does judgment of paris have, I only have
Conversion, it that all they've done?


Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:56:54 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: magnets etc


although we may never REALLY know whats going on with the brain, I have
to throw in my chips with the non-digital camp. I'm not sure analog is the
best metaphor either, but I'd much rather be analog than the binary
fascism that would be imposed on thought were we to be 'digital' thinkers.

read some Deleuze.

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:04:18 -0500
From: Matt Walburn/Summer Holiday (mdwalbur@STUDENT.BERKLEE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Judgement of Paris


>so how many release(s) does judgment of paris have, I only have
>Conversion, it that all they've done?


I believe that they've done 2 LPs.  Conversion, and another called "Signal"
good luck finding it!


Matt Walburn
Box #2179
Berklee College of Music
150 Massachusetts Avenue
Boston, MA 02115
email--> mdwalbur@student.berklee.edu
phone--> (617) 859-3936
"...wrapped in white sheets like an angel from a bedtime story."


Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:00:01 -0500
From: JRR TOLKIEN (GGNL44A@PRODIGY.COM)
Subject: rhp on tour with maids of gravity?


I and a few friends of mine from Salt Lake are interested in catching
the show in Denver. If anyone out in the great wide open could send
me more information about this show, I would greatly appreciate it.
It will do wonders for your karma! So, if you are running low on
karma (or not) and you know something about the date in Denver (like
what the venue is, how to get a hold of tickets [what outlets are
selling them], and the like) please send it my way. I will not be
held responsible if you post the information on this list and some
idiot that forgot to take his valium flames you. Hopefully not. But
then again, the world is full of bitchy people and unfortunately that
can't be helped. Thanks for your time. All flames to my mail will be
duly laughed at.
      Ryan (GGNL44A@Prodigy.com)

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:06:31 -0500
From: lee harvey fnordwald (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: kelly deal pasted from ATN


just when you thought i was done clipping tangential newsbits from ATN...

               Breeder
               Kelly Deal just returned from Seattle where she recorded a
               duet ("Hung Over Again") with the Supersuckers' Eddie
               Spaghetti in what she describes as a "George Jones/Tammy
               Wynette style" for that band's final Sub Pop album. Her own
               band, the Kelly Deal 6000, just filmed a video for "How
               About Hero," in which Deal plays a "Xena the Warrior
               Princess-type character." Deal told us the Kelly Deal 6000
               are about to leave for a six week European tour. As for the
               Breeders, Deal said succinctly, "I'll give you my stock
               answer to that stock question: That's Kim's band, so you'll
               have to ask Kim."



****************************************************************************

Twas bryllyg, and the slythy toves              owilde@umich.edu
 Did gyre and gymble in the wabe:               rev. daniel klyn
All mimsy were the borogoves;                   most certainly high priest
 and the mome raths outgrabe.                   wondermonkey cabal

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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 14:39:49 -0000
From: "Whittaker David (Exchange)" (WhittakerD@LOGICA.COM)
Subject: Re: Balanescu Quartet


This 'Kraftwerk' album is positively the worst thing they've ever done.
Far better are:
The Sultan's Picnic (with Rabih Abou-Khalil) which is a mix of arabic
and string quartet, and
The Last Days, which is a collection of Gavin Bryars' work, and
Possessed, which is a jumble of their own and other people's gubbins.
Enjoy.

David

>
>On Mon, 18 Nov 1996, rogers asked:
>
>>
>> I love Rachel...what do the balanescu quartet sound like?
>>
>                                           I only know the cd where they
>                                       do mostly violin (chords) covers of
>                                      kraftwerk, and one from david byrne
>                                  plus some songs composed by Alexander
>                                                              Balanescu...
>
>                            It is there another album from them?
>
>                                                thanks!
>
> ps. just heard some rumors that an independent mexican label will
>distribute or probably publish locally some stuff from guernica..I wonder
>if this is true still though...
>
>Marco
>


Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:38:32 -0500
From: RBNRy@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Balanescu Quartet


>>This 'Kraftwerk' album is positively the worst thing they've ever done. Far
better are:
The Sultan's Picnic (with Rabih Abou-Khalil) which is a mix of arabic and
string quartet, and The Last Days, which is a collection of Gavin Bryars'
work, and Possessed, which is a jumble of their own and other people's
gubbins.
Enjoy.<<

'Possessed' *is* that Kraftwerk album. Funny I was actually listening to the
Balanescus doing Michael Nyman's String Quartet pieces this morning. Nyman is
worth checking into as well. Alex B. plays all over his stuff.


Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 17:05:59 +0000
From: Matt Cope (nestor@BLISBARN.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: discography info


hello

I am currently in the process of setting up a web-site called 'Blistering
Barnacles' to provide net users access to a database full of information
about UK indie/alternative record labels & artists.

The purpose of this site will be to display artist's full discographies
including record availability status indicating those products that are
still available in record shops and those that have been deleted.

In order to achieve this I'm after as much discographical information on
any UK indie/alternative labels or artists as possible and would greatly
appreciate any help that could be supplied (cat numbers, formats, release
dates, titles, track listings etc).

Previous experience with most record labels has proved un-helpful to say
the least so contact addresses (snail or E mail) for any fan
clubs/information services could also be useful.

Many thanks in advance.

Matt

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:26:04 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: wolfgang press


Thanks to moran for describing the various pre-"Queer" Wolfgang Press
albums. Does anyone know if there are any plans at all to release these
in the US? I'd like to take a listen, but I'm not prepared to pay $22 for
one...

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                                                 jens@mooseyard.com [play]

              Paget saw an Irish tooth, Sir, in a waste gap.
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:51:01 +0600
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Balanescu Quartet

              Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:38:32 -0500

>   Funny I was actually listening to the
>   Balanescus doing Michael Nyman's String Quartet pieces
>   this morning. Nyman is worth checking into as well. Alex
>   B. plays all over his stuff.

Yes, i quite like the Balenescu Quartet performing Nyman's string quartet
pieces.  This work (the only i've heard by BQ) is quite a bit different from
Rachels in that they make wonderful use of repetetition and dissonance whereas
Rachels just seemed ... well ... Zzzz ... oh, yeah, where was i? ... it just
seemed a tad uninteresting and meandering.

I do recommend other Nyman works (you can't avoid 'em in Greenaway films) as
well as Hector Zazou's earlier CDs, Geographies and Geologies, which are very
much in the post-modern nouveau classical vein.

-cz

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:26:03 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Mail filters, where to get 'em


Coal Black Smith wrote:
>some of us arent lucky enough to have filters that get rid of shit like this
>for us.

"But can a Bengal Tiger GET Vick's Vap-o-Rub?
 NO! But it can ask a FRIEND to buy some! Yeahyeahyeah!" --Monty Python

OK, here's a short tutorial on where to get a good filtering email
program for free.

For the Mac users in the audience, Claris is now giving Emailer away for
free until the end of the year (in an effort to entice lots of people
into buying the upgrade to 2.0 when it comes out in a few months.) Claris
Emailer does have mail filters, and although they're not the most
sophisticated I've ever seen they get the job done. I use Emailer quite
successfully to filter out posts related to bands I don't care about and
ones sent by the few people here whom I find annoying enough to stifle.
Plus it highlights my favorite people's postings in red.
Go get it from 

There's also the beta version of Eudora Lite 3.0, available for both Mac
and Windoze. It has much fancier filtering, although I don't like the
general user interface as much as Emailer.
Go get it from 

Unix users have a variety of stone-age command-line based email programs
to choose from that still do some pretty fancy filtering if you can
figure out the typically-cryptic Unix syntax. (Do any of the GUI mail
tools do filters?) If anyone can fill in more details on the Unix side,
do so by all means. Perhaps I should turn this thing into a FAQ.

Hope this helps! As far as I can tell, if you can't do email filtering
it's only because you haven't downloaded and installed a good enough
email client yet. (Hint: Netscape Navigator is a dandy web browser but
their mail interface blows donkey lincolns.)

__________          ___________________          ________________________
Jens Alfke          Recovering C++ User          jens@apple.com     [work]
                                                 jens@mooseyard.com [play]

              Paget saw an Irish tooth, Sir, in a waste gap.
                                            _____________________________
                                            http://www.mooseyard.com/Jens/


Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 17:47:01 -0800
From: alison lorraine (alison@PIL.NET)
Subject: fondlemyears


Hello!

Just subscribed the other day.

Won't someone please tell me what I have to look forward to?

Alittle about myself...I am the center of my own dream-pop unit, called
blume, a German word literally meaning "flower" and pronounced like the
American "bloom"...it has its own swirly, ethereal edge to it.

Dead Can Dance LP "Within the Realm of a Dying Sun" is one of my all-time
4AD faves...

sincerely,

a l i s o n
l         o
i         s
s         i
o         l
n o s i l a


Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 17:06:06 -0500
From: Elizabeth A Grove (egrove@IC.SUNYSB.EDU)
Subject: X-Mal


Greetings,

I'm new to the list so forgive me if this topic has been dicussed.

What happened to X-Mal Deutschland?
That is, what did the members do after X-Mal?

I wish they stuck around a little longer.


Until next time


Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:54:51 -0800
From: David Packer (pack9443@UIDAHO.EDU)
Subject: Re: digital vs. analogue (again!)


It's not too otfen that one can read about the relationship between
quantum mechanics and Clitus the Slack-jawed Yokel, but I for one look
forward to seing this theme explored further. After all, what more does
the average Joe need than a marriage between modern physics and the
greatest show of all time?

P.S. Did anyone else recognize the utterly advanced math equations
floating
around during the 3-D Halloween special last year? If only other shows
could demonstrate such wit. Sigh...

On Tue, 19 Nov 1996, cz wrote:

> Jens:
> >   >Naw, the universe is digital. All states are quantized
> >   ...
> Matthew:
> >   Saying that the universe is
> >   quantised is much the same, disregarding the
> >   fundamentally probabilistic picture painted by quantum
> >   mechanics.  Hard to get more analogue than an
> >   interdependent net of probability amplitudes - the
> >   system is only quantised in terms of the numbers which
> >   determine those probabilities....
>
> Deja vu!
>
> >   Is this what I said last time this point came up?  If
> >   so, sorry!
>
> Oh, that's it.  I *have* heard all this before.
>
> But do you really think that saying that the brain/universe are quantized (and
> therefore "digital") is "disregarding the fundamentally probabilistic picture
> painted by quantum mechanics" ?   I don't think so.  It *would* be grossly nai
e
> to think that because the universe (or some portion thereof) is made up of
> quanta that we could perceive these quantized states as discontinuous.  After
> all, i can tell Clitus the slack jawed yokel that the cartoon that he just
> appeared in was made up of several drawn frames displayed in rapid succession,
> but that wouldn't mean that he would be able to perceive it as such.  But for
> Clitus to assert that his world is a continuous procession of fluid motion
> (i.e., analogue) is just plain wrong.
>
> -cz  ... some folks'll never lose a toe
>          and then again some folks'll
>          like Clitus the slack jawed yokel
>


Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 18:05:39 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Curve


On Mon, 18 Nov 1996, Jeremy L Orr wrote:

> Okay, now this is the first I've ever heard of Scylla.  Who else
> participated in this "project"?

It is just Toni Halliday and Alan Moulder. Sounds like old Curve but less
ass kicking a more melodic riffola.

> Is their sole output the track on the "Showgirls"
> soundtrack?

Yes.

> *shudder*

Showgirls kicks, fool.

> (Heheheheheh...can you tell my car is in the shop and I'm bored
> senseless?)

Oh dear, you're ruining your list with this light hearted talk and lack
of wit. Please stop before everyone unsubscribes.

 e

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:00:00 EST
From: Cameron Webb (cameronw@CIDM.WH.SU.EDU.AU)
Subject: Sloan, sorry its not 4AD is it?


Sloan. Their "Twice Removed" album is fantastic but I know
absolutely nothing about them, never heard or read a thang.
Yeh, yeh, I know they're not on 4AD but could anyone give
me any info on albums before or after TR (maybe direct to my
address). I found them very Pavementish, are they considered
"low-fi bandwagon jumpers" in the states/europe?
Thanks,
cameronw@cidm.wh.su.edu.au

--------------------------------------
Cameron Webb
Medical Entomology
Westmead Hospital/University of Sydney
WESTMEAD NSW 2145
(02) 9845 7548
cameronw@cidm.wh.su.edu.au
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:01:41 -0800
From: Peter Repetti (repetti@NATURE.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Balanescu Quartet


alexander balanescu used to be in the michael nyman band, and since then
has release cds by himself as the quartet.  i have to disagree about the
kraftwerk album, possessed, i think it is quite great...somehow those
songs really lend themselves well to string quartet transcriptions!  even
the corny bit of alexander saying "i am the operator, with my pocket
calculator."  on this cd they also, as previously mentioned, do some david
byrne (something from the uh-oh album, i think?), and a collaboration with
miranda sex garden (BQ are also on mute records)!

the other cd by them on mute is called luminitza and is very much in the
vein of good michael nyman (i.e., pre-the-piano-soundtrack...which may
have its merits to some!).

there is also a cd on argo where they do more david byrne and some other
contempory composers (i think moran maybe?).

i think the only thing they have in common with rachel's is that they are
a string quartet that doesn't play the standard kind of fare and some-how
appeal to pop music fans...why is it that you can find all of rachels cds
at you local indie store!!!????  it just doesn't make any sense to me!

recently, they also did the film score for angels & insects.

peter

On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 RBNRy@AOL.COM wrote:

> >>This 'Kraftwerk' album is positively the worst thing they've ever done. Far
> better are:
> The Sultan's Picnic (with Rabih Abou-Khalil) which is a mix of arabic and
> string quartet, and The Last Days, which is a collection of Gavin Bryars'
> work, and Possessed, which is a jumble of their own and other people's
> gubbins.
> Enjoy.<<
>
> 'Possessed' *is* that Kraftwerk album. Funny I was actually listening to the
> Balanescus doing Michael Nyman's String Quartet pieces this morning. Nyman is
> worth checking into as well. Alex B. plays all over his stuff.
>