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Subject: wolfgang press
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 22:51:02 -0600
From: sara johnson (sjohns32@D.UMN.EDU)
Subject: Re: Curve
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 23:36:22 EST
From: Gwen C Uetrecht (gck@CBSMS1.CB.LUCENT.COM)
Subject: not especially funny thing etc.
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 02:47:22 -0500
From: Kelli-Jeanne Drum (Noisegirly@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: a funny thing happened on the way to cyberspace...
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 00:51:49 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: curve/swallow
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 01:03:49 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: eost
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:41:32 -0800
From: "A. Dean" (a.dean@UK22P.BULL.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: eost / today's new thislisty stuff stuff (uk)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:54:00 -0800
From: "A. Dean" (a.dean@UK22P.BULL.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Mazzy Star
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 09:30:15 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: wolfgang press
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 09:35:27 -0500
From: Michael Borum (iceblink@TIAC.NET)
Subject: Re: Mazzy Star
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 09:40:04 -0000
From: Steve Schuldt (sschuldt@HIGHWAY1.COM)
Subject: Re: Curve
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 12:47:22 EST
From: Jeremy L Orr (j.orr@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Are there Listserves for Producers???
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 09:50:01 -0800
From: Chronos & YasaminEve (eella@CWO.COM)
Subject: Free listings for Producers and the like!
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 09:24:11 -0800
From: Chronos & YasaminEve (eella@CWO.COM)
Subject: Re: a funny thing happened on the way to cyberspace...
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 10:24:27 -0800
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadim@BYRON.2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Re: rhp on tour with maids of gravity?
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:31:17 -0600
From: Jon Corbett Wetzel (jcw0003@JOVE.ACS.UNT.EDU)
Subject: Re: rhp on tour with maids of gravity?
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 15:17:52 EST
From: juan santana (SANTANA@ATHENS.FLLT.UDEL.EDU)
Subject: Geez!
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 14:34:35 -0800
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadim@BYRON.2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: NEW YORK LISTIES PLEASE READ THIS!
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 14:55:36 -0700
From: shar everett (sharlito@TELEPORT.COM)
Subject: Re: Death of 4ad?
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 15:20:51 -0500
From: rogers (rogers@CLARK.NET)
Subject: Dizzying Stars
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:04:52 -0700
From: "BOYD, BRETTON" (BOYDB@CSMC.EDU)
Subject: WANT TO SUBSCRIBE
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 19:48:07 -0500
From: MELISSA OSBORNE (CS105210@SWVCC.WVNET.EDU)
Subject: Searching for Swallow-Blowback
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 20:26:47 -0500
From: MiloV@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: eost / today's new thislisty stuff stuff (uk)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 18:29:47 -0600
From: un homme et une femme (mrf546t@NIC.SMSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: modern english!?!?!?
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 14:05:13 -0800
From: Strick9 (beswick@scf-fs.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Judgement of Paris
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 21:38:19 -0500
From: GG1over@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Mazzy Star
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 18:39:30 -0600
From: Chad Dorton (slr4s@CC.USU.EDU)
Subject: Tanya on Oz
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:00:00 EST
From: Cameron Webb (cameronw@CIDM.WH.SU.EDU.AU)
Subject: after the flood
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 14:17:23 -0600
From: Jason Marc Morehead (00161068@BIGRED.UNL.EDU)

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 22:51:02 -0600
From: sara johnson (sjohns32@D.UMN.EDU)
Subject: wolfgang press


i was just listening to Cut The Tree on the Lonely is an Eyesore comp. and was
wondering if the wolfgang press has done any full albums with that sort of
sound.  and if anyone happens to have a copy of that album for sale please let
me know.

sara

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 23:36:22 EST
From: Gwen C Uetrecht (gck@CBSMS1.CB.LUCENT.COM)
Subject: Re: Curve

              Nov 16, 96 2:42 am

yes - it's worth hearing and purchasing. it shouldn't be too hard
to find.

>
> Has anyone perchance heard the recent Curve single, "Pink Girl With the
> Blues"?  According to a recent Alternative Press, the duo reformed and
> have released this single on Fat Lip Records (?).  I'm curious...is it
> hard to find?  Is it worth hearing?  Does it basically follow the same
> Curve formula as all of their other records, or is it something new?  And
> what happened to Bud, the Toni Halliday/Pieter Nooten collaboration?  (I
> REALLY wanted to hear that...oh, and for all I know, this topic may be
> old news to you guys, since it was announced when I wasn't a list
> subscriber, so if this has already been run into the ground, I
> apologize.)
>


Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 02:47:22 -0500
From: Kelli-Jeanne Drum (Noisegirly@AOL.COM)
Subject: not especially funny thing etc.


In a message dated 96-11-17 12:05:07 EST, some larry-guy wrote:

> No, I was biting into a croissant when I wrote that. So, in short, to recap
>  in a slightly clearer version - your Netcom account died and you signed up
>  with AOL. Is that what you're trying to tell us, yes?

  yeah...but isn't that what i wrote? what's your problem, anyway?
  i try to be all cutesy, and you just wanna rain all over my happy parade.
  bah humbug to you, scrooge!

>  > otherwise, i'll have to
>  >  put a curse on you...and that's just SUCH a hassle, what with the whole
>  >  karma thing and all....
>
>  Putting curses on people gives you bad karma.

   well, that's what i meant by saying "the whole karma thing". you like to
be
  difficult, don't you?

>And if they catch you, they'll
>  make sure you get it in *this* life. Same goes for shoplifting.

  not so much shoplifting, but shoplifting at...uh..."witchcraft"-type
establishments.
  hate to find out what happens to those poor souls that try a five finger
discount
  there...
  you're a very sour person. bah humbug indeed....


Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 00:51:49 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: a funny thing happened on the way to cyberspace...


On Wed, 13 Nov 1996, Nadim Baki-Zada wrote:

> I haven't posted here for a while, mainly because I haven't been listening to
> any 4AD type stuff lately (it goes in cycles).

Nope, it doesn't go in cycles. This time it's the real thing. The golden
age is over and all that's left to listen to is video game music.

No, I am not kidding.


 e

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 01:03:49 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: curve/swallow


On Sun, 17 Nov 1996, starlite walker wrote:

> 'Pink girl with the blues' shouldnt be too hard to find at all, i used
> to be a massive curve fan and i was eagerly awaiting the release,
> paradoxically, all tracks on the single manage to be complete shite
> whilst still sounding like classic curve (work that one out). not
> reccommended.

My thoughts exactly...I found myself struggling to like the disc. It
seemed like something I ought to like, but I just couldn't pull it off.
The songs themselves are trash, yes, but the production is also sloppy.
Only buy this disc if the basic formula of Curve's "sound" is enough to
do the trick for you.

Also, the artwork is horrid. There is no excuse for that kind of
work--not from anyone.

Does anyone know if Scylla is still going on? Halliday and Moulder must
be on decent terms because he mixed the single. The one Scylla track I've
heard was very good and it would be a shame to waste that for the sake of
this nonsense.

To be fair, a lot of Curve songs are rubbish so maybe there is some gold
in their future still.

(That's me being optimistic, folks. Don't be alarmed.)



 e




Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:41:32 -0800
From: "A. Dean" (a.dean@UK22P.BULL.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: eost


um, eost discography, i'll try...

fluidum trancentauri - three tracks (all recorded for a peel
session)(there's a copy in oxford street virgin megastore i saw last
week, 4 pounds, 6 dollars(?). i'll be there again tomorrow night...)

free-d - which you already know and love, beepy echoey stuff, sounds of
space (with added birdsong)

astralavista ep (remixes from free-d) - local shop had copies in it's
closing down sale. gone now though (the records and the shop, turned
from an our price to a virgin and, well, i used to complain about our
price but the new one is even worse and sells nothing but chart fodder,
i've bought exactly 3 things in there in the 6 weeks it's been open.)

there was also an lp out on some czech label before fluidum, don't
remember the name, couldn't find my tape of it when eric was asking
about it but i do remember who i got it off. this is a lot grimier than
free-d, much less sequenced and electronic. not bad though.

and that, i think, is all.

andy
--
a.dean@uk22p.bull.co.uk


Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:54:00 -0800
From: "A. Dean" (a.dean@UK22P.BULL.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: eost / today's new thislisty stuff stuff (uk)


sorry, replying to old messages before reading the followups is a stupid
idea - repeated information. (btw my friend's copy of susurate was
brought back from prague, never saw a copy for sale in england).

new stereolab ep out today. nice orange and yellow sleeve. 'pinball' is
'heavenly van halen' with a different name, 'you used to call me
sadness' is the same track as that fuxa split single and 'soop groove
#1' is meant to be a 15 minute jam of some sort. title track,
'fluorescences' is probably the least interesting of the 4.

new pram ep out today too, also on duophonic. peel played 'silver
nitrate' the other day and it sounded to me like the best thing they've
done (and oddly familiar - probably from seeing them live twice in the
summer). poppy, catchy but still undeniably pram.

quickspace lp out today too but this, along with the new belle and
sebastian lp (and the pram single) will have to wait until i'm somewhere
with a better choice of records for sale. (tomorrow night on my way to
see trembling blue stars (5th time this year) probably, failing that
wednesday afternoon on the way to see stereolab (4th time this year))

andy
--
a.dean@uk22p.bull.co.uk
baboon, baboon, baboon, baboon...


Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 09:30:15 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Mazzy Star


Despite all the negative press, I am going ot see Mazzy Star in two weeks
here in Philly. I think the key to not being let down by their live show
is to have your expectations set for a mellow laid back kind of show of
intense music instead of commanding stage presence...

it is afterall not the singer but the song!

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 09:35:27 -0500
From: Michael Borum (iceblink@TIAC.NET)
Subject: Re: wolfgang press


Well, I think "The Burden of Mules" is the LP contemporaneous to "Cut the
Tree", so it probably sounds like that.  I actually have "The Burden of
Mules", but it's on vinyl, and I don't have a turntable, so I've never been
able to listen to it.  I know...an inexcusable travesty.

Mike
iceblink@tiac.net


At 10:51 PM 11/17/96 -0600, you wrote:
>i was just listening to Cut The Tree on the Lonely is an Eyesore comp. and was
>wondering if the wolfgang press has done any full albums with that sort of
>sound.  and if anyone happens to have a copy of that album for sale please let
>me know.
>
>sara
>
>


Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 09:40:04 -0000
From: Steve Schuldt (sschuldt@HIGHWAY1.COM)
Subject: Re: Mazzy Star


Hope Sandoval is certainly out of the ordinary in person - as
far as middling rock-stars go.  No forced smiles, no phoniness, no bull.
In point of fact she is also really nice, as she put myself and several
friends on the guest list to a sold-out show in Boston last year, simply
because we asked (after bumping into her at a local record shop the day of
the show).  I am certain Mazzy Sar as a live act would be world-alteringly
good, if you were lucky enough to accidentally stumble opon them playing
under a pseudonym at some god-forsaken, half-empty roadhouse in the Nevada
desert one friday night.  However, seeing them in the context of an
alterna-rock night out at some sweaty rock club in Chicago - they will
almost definitely suck a little bit (sorry Hope!). I think they know this,
and are a little contemptuous of the mobs of Jocks and Jockettes that turn
up to see them these days.

In short, the bandmembers that make up Mazzy Star are way too cool to be
seen at a Mazzy Star concert.  The records sure are dreamy though...

- Steve


Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 12:47:22 EST
From: Jeremy L Orr (j.orr@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: Curve


---from e:

> Does anyone know if Scylla is still going on?  The one Scylla track
I've heard was
> very good and it would be a shame to waste that...

Okay, now this is the first I've ever heard of Scylla.  Who else
participated in this "project"?  (And it was originally formed as a
touring band?)  Is their sole output the track on the "Showgirls"
soundtrack?  *shudder*  And so how does Scylla compare to Curve?
(Heheheheheh...can you tell my car is in the shop and I'm bored
senseless?)

---Jeremy 

"Bite the wax tadpole."
---Coca-Cola as originally translated into Chinese

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 09:50:01 -0800
From: Chronos & YasaminEve (eella@CWO.COM)
Subject: Are there Listserves for Producers???


Does anyone have a link to or know of any listserves for Producers,
Managers and Agents?
Also who knows a new listserve that caters to Musicians? Besides ALLMUSIC?
Thanks for all of your help. ;)! (wink!)
Yasa!

West Coast Musicians Online-

A Musician's Network!
Free Music & Equipment Classifieds.
"Open Mic!"
    ^
  ^^ ^^
   e e   {{{PEACE}}}
   \-/    {{LOVE}}
    v         &
    v   {ROCK & ROLL}

Promote your musical ideas!
Promote your band!
Or just come and hang around!
Leave us a message tell us what you think!

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 09:24:11 -0800
From: Chronos & YasaminEve (eella@CWO.COM)
Subject: Free listings for Producers and the like!


Seeking Producers, Agents, and Managers that would like to be listed in
WCMO's Directory for its network of musicians and artists.
Receive a free listing in our national publication!
All we need is your address and contact numbers (and URL is a plus!!!)
.....so musicians and artists can find you!
If you would like to participate, email: eella@cwo.com Subject: WCMO Directory.
Thanks a bunch!
Yasa!

West Coast Musicians Online-

A Musician's Network!
Free Music & Equipment Classifieds.
"Open Mic!"
    ^
  ^^ ^^
   e e   {{{PEACE}}}
   \-/    {{LOVE}}
    v         &
    v   {ROCK & ROLL}

Promote your musical ideas!
Promote your band!
Or just come and hang around!
Leave us a message tell us what you think!


Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 10:24:27 -0800
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadim@BYRON.2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Re: a funny thing happened on the way to cyberspace...


> In a message dated 96-11-15 09:17:05 EST, you write:
>
> > > ...hmm...i've been stranded on a really desolate island over the past few
> >
> > >months...
> >
> >  [assorted twee cutesy nonsense deleted]
> >
> >  >...and the natives have assisted me in connecting with my
> >  >dearly departed 4ad-l...
> >
> >
> >  Mmm...flaky
>
>   pardon? i do so hope you are not calling me flaky..otherwise, i'll have to
>   put a curse on you...and that's just SUCH a hassle, what with the whole
>   karma thing and all....
>
>   toodles,
>   *k*  official cutesy flake of the 4ad-l
>

For lack of anything musical to discuss this morning..
Why is everyone so bothered by k-j's little "cutesy flakiness"?
I , for one, kinda enjoyed the narrative when I read the original message.

And by the way k-j, you wouldn't be a "magic" adept would you? 'Cause that's wha
 I kinda inferred from the conversation.

-Lord Soth-

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:31:17 -0600
From: Jon Corbett Wetzel (jcw0003@JOVE.ACS.UNT.EDU)
Subject: Re: rhp on tour with maids of gravity?


I just saw the Maids of Gravity/RHP show last night here in Dallas.  RHP
headlined and played for about 2 hrs.  They even played "don't fear the
reaper" twice.....They mostly played old songs and a few new ones...

On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, .mark. wrote:

> ...just saw a notice that red house painters will be playing in denver on
> dec. 13 with maids of gravity.  is rhp headling this li'l tour?  any info
> anyone?
>
> .
> mrk (vonminde@rtt.colorado.edu)
> .
>


Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 15:17:52 EST
From: juan santana (SANTANA@ATHENS.FLLT.UDEL.EDU)
Subject: Re: rhp on tour with maids of gravity?


Matt Walburn wrote:

>  They didn't play as long in Boston but that was
> only because the club owners made them stop... when RHP wouldn't the club
> called the police on them and the cops made them stop!!!  It was crazy....
> MArk's a rebel.

That is hilarious!!! And Mark  a rebel :)))))

Juan


Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 14:34:35 -0800
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadim@BYRON.2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Geez!


I'll keep this short for those of you "who don't have filters".

SORRY! My apologies!

-Lord Soth, where's the love?-

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 14:55:36 -0700
From: shar everett (sharlito@TELEPORT.COM)
Subject: NEW YORK LISTIES PLEASE READ THIS!


i am looking for a local nyc band called the bee keepers. have any of you
nyc listees ever seen or heard them?? one of the women in this band came
through portland where i live with a band called ida that was touring with
lori carson.
any info would be greatly appreciated!!

thanks,
shar
sharlito@teleport.com


Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 15:20:51 -0500
From: rogers (rogers@CLARK.NET)
Subject: Re: Death of 4ad?


>closely. i love 4AD and am eagerly awaiting gusgus. i wish that 4AD =
would >sign a good noveau classical group. maybe someone like the =
rachel's or >anchorage or the balanescu quartet. anyway...
=20

I love Rachel's... what do anchorage or the balanescu quartet sound =
like?


joel


Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:04:52 -0700
From: "BOYD, BRETTON" (BOYDB@CSMC.EDU)
Subject: Dizzying Stars


Will everyone put this ugly duckling of an album on hold, please?

Every analysis languishes in obtuse generalization.  And if not this malaise
then it drowns in the sentimentality of nostalgia.

This album is tacking through the same latitude... let's finding something
else to talk about.

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 19:48:07 -0500
From: MELISSA OSBORNE (CS105210@SWVCC.WVNET.EDU)
Subject: WANT TO SUBSCRIBE


WANT TO SUBSCRIBE

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 20:26:47 -0500
From: MiloV@AOL.COM
Subject: Searching for Swallow-Blowback




Does anyone have a copy of the Swallow remix album 'Blowback'?

I realize it's pretty hard to find, but I would be willing to
swap other pretty rare 4AD stuff for it (mostly weird promo stuff
or LPs).  Any Takers?  Please E-Mail since No matter how hard I try
I can't manage to read the list every day.

Later,



James



... it is better to build upon the shifting sands
than the rock which will confound you on the day it shatters.


Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 18:29:47 -0600
From: un homme et une femme (mrf546t@NIC.SMSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: eost / today's new thislisty stuff stuff (uk)


On Mon, 18 Nov 1996, A. Dean wrote:

> new pram ep out today too, also on duophonic. peel played 'silver
> nitrate' the other day and it sounded to me like the best thing they've
> done (and oddly familiar - probably from seeing them live twice in the
> summer). poppy, catchy but still undeniably pram.
>

hello,

could someone tell me the quickest/simplest/most reliable way to order
duophonic stuff in the US?  i really need more pram in my life right now.

thanks,

mark

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 14:05:13 -0800
From: Strick9 (beswick@scf-fs.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: modern english!?!?!?


On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Coal Black Smith wrote:

> are they really still alive?
>


And well.  I saw them live at the House of Blues here in LA about 5 or 6
months back, and it was really fun.  Granted, the new band members didn't
know "Swans on Glass", which kinda reeked, but I still thoroughly enjoyed
myself.

By the way, did anyone else see Modern English on Clueless last week?

Does anyone else in the country besides me watch Clueless?

;)

Strick9

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 21:38:19 -0500
From: GG1over@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Judgement of Paris


 Judgement of paris is no more. I bumped into Christian(aka) the vocalist who
is an old acquaintance.at the His name ia alive show in Mpls. He told me
about his and former JOP member Joel Hansons new project (whose name escapes
me at the moment). I went to see them a month ago at First ave where they
opened for the Red House Painters and John Cale.The music is more guitar folk
oriented and they had a wonderful female singer but retained their dark
chords and mood. Hey, have you heard of a group called Lycia if not you
should definately ck. it out.

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 18:39:30 -0600
From: Chad Dorton (slr4s@CC.USU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Mazzy Star


On Sun, 17 Nov 1996, Marissa Kraft wrote:

> Howdy fellow 4aders,
> No i'm not a new one, i just don't post too much.  However, upon reading all
> of this Mazzy Star stuff, I was wondering if whoever has seen her recently,
> would recommend seeing her despite her "non-chalance" and perfectionism.  Her
> songs are beautiful and i'm really discouraged (and disappointed in her) from
> what people have been saying about seeing her perform.  She's coming to
> Chicago (YEAH!) soon and i'm having a lot of trouble deciding if i should get
> tix or not (if there are any left) because i don't want to be disappointed.
>  I'm affraid it will turn me off from her music.  So what do you think?
> ~MaRiSsA
>

Mazzy Star is a THEM, not a HER.


Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:00:00 EST
From: Cameron Webb (cameronw@CIDM.WH.SU.EDU.AU)
Subject: Tanya on Oz


Just a bit of trivia for you. The newie from TD made (what was
likely to be) its debut on Oz radio last night (Amplifier, 2SER FM).
They played "Bum" which, apart from being completely different to
what I'd expected, wasn't that bad, catchy little number indeed. It'll
be interesting to hear the rest of the EP.
--------------------------------------
Cameron Webb
Medical Entomology
Westmead Hospital/University of Sydney
WESTMEAD NSW 2145
(02) 9845 7548
cameronw@cidm.wh.su.edu.au
--------------------------------------

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 14:17:23 -0600
From: Jason Marc Morehead (00161068@BIGRED.UNL.EDU)
Subject: after the flood


hello all...

     some time ago, someone posted a review of an album by a group
called after the flood.  what i want to know is where did you get it?
soleilmoon had it in their catalog, but stopped carrying it.  are
there any other places where i can get this album?  thanks!

jason