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Subject: Mazzy Star
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 01:22:56 -0500
From: Marissa Kraft (RISSARO@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: rhp on tour with maids of gravity?
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 00:36:43 -0600
From: "J. Gnewikow" (eplayman@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: lush trade
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 10:50:40 +0100
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Peter_Granstr=F6m?= (L95_GRR@L.KTH.SE)
Subject: Bud / not especially funny thing etc.
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 23:47:32 -0500
From: schokokeks (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: stereolab "laminations" promo cd
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 12:09:56 -0500
From: Joshua Harmon (jnh4@CORNELL.EDU)
Subject: FW: mazzy star - review of Among My Swan
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 19:40:27 PST
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: Re: rhp on tour with maids of gravity?
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 13:34:18 -0400
From: Matt Walburn/Summer Holiday (mdwalbur@STUDENT.BERKLEE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Mazzy Star (sorry if this appears twice)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 15:26:49 -0500
From: Marissa Kraft (RISSARO@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: E.O.S.T
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 16:24:45 EST
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: curve/swallow
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 21:15:47 +0000
From: starlite walker (ma6so@BATH.AC.UK)
Subject: {<<>>}
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 14:48:20 -0800
From: astrogate@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: Mazzy Star (sorry if this appears twice)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 15:24:49 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 01:22:56 -0500
From: Marissa Kraft (RISSARO@AOL.COM)
Subject: Mazzy Star


Howdy fellow 4aders,
No i'm not a new one, i just don't post too much.  However, upon reading all
of this Mazzy Star stuff, I was wondering if whoever has seen her recently,
would recommend seeing her despite her "non-chalance" and perfectionism.  Her
songs are beautiful and i'm really discouraged (and disappointed in her) from
what people have been saying about seeing her perform.  She's coming to
Chicago (YEAH!) soon and i'm having a lot of trouble deciding if i should get
tix or not (if there are any left) because i don't want to be disappointed.
 I'm affraid it will turn me off from her music.  So what do you think?
~MaRiSsA


Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 00:36:43 -0600
From: "J. Gnewikow" (eplayman@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: rhp on tour with maids of gravity?


The first time I saw them this year was in Chicago, they played by
themselves and played for 21/2 hours, everyone standing(the crowd not them)
so it was a little too long, the benifit of this was that Mark an amazing
version of Michael, acoustic, by himself...it was the first song...then
about 2 hours of regular stuff and about 5 or 6 more by himself acoustic.
Then I saw them open for John Cale, and it was an amazing
experiance...everyone sitting down...they played only about 7 or 8 songs,
most of which are on the list below...but the song to watch out for is one
I had never heard, I'm pretty sure it's unreleased, unless I overlooked it
before...I think it's called something like "Avida" or Avita" but it was
amazing...they played it both times...and also they do a different version
of Lord Kill The Pain...which is pretty cool...

-jason

>I saw the first show of this tour in Tempe, AZ. Lemme try to remember the
>songs...Have You Forgotten (new), Priest Alley Song (new), All Mixed Up
>(new), Lord Kill the Pain, Grace Cathedral Park, Evil, Uncle Joe, Leaving
>on a Jet Plane...that's all I can recall but there may have been one or two
>more. They were quite flexible with their setlist and seemed to be making
>up a lot of it as they went. Looking at my list, I just noticed they played
>nothing from "Ocean Beach." Hmmmmm. (I'm still bummed that Katy Song wasn't
>played!)
>
>
>
>Matt Walburn sez:
>>RHP... played for almost three and a half hours at the first show I saw in
>>MInneapolis.
>
>So that's, what, 5 songs?  d:-{)]
>
>
>By the way, I just got on the 4AD list this week. Hi. How's it going?
>
>
>
>
>
>Random quote of the week:
>     "Close my eyes and it's all I hear
>      It rings as hollow as a high school cheer
>      Who did you plagarize this time, dear?"
>               -- Steve Taylor (Chagall Guevara)
>
>
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>I N K L I N G   P U B L I S H E R S
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>t e m p e ,  a r i z o n a ,  u s a
>-----------------------------------
>>  a k a   j o n   g a b r i e l  <





________________________________________________________________________________
        **show a smile if you're lonely, but don't break your heart.**


Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 10:50:40 +0100
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Peter_Granstr=F6m?= (L95_GRR@L.KTH.SE)
Subject: lush trade


Hello.
I've got:

* Lush - "Lovelife (sampled)" , UK 4 track promoCD (1996)
* The Elvis Costello CDsingle with LUSH playing "All this useless
    beauty" (1996)

I'm looking for:

* Lush - "ladykillers", US 1 track promoCD (1996)
* Lush - "500", US 1 track promoCD (1996)
* Lush - "lovelife", US 3 trakc promoCD (1994)
* Lush - "lovelife", US 12 track promoCD (1996)

/Peter


Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 23:47:32 -0500
From: schokokeks (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Bud / not especially funny thing etc.


>And
>what happened to Bud, the Toni Halliday/Pieter Nooten collaboration?  (I
>REALLY wanted to hear that...

I don't think that ever really got past the planning stage, and when Curve
decided to reform, the Bud project finally fell through. I was kind of
hoping we'd get to hear what Dean was doing on his own too.

>>  Mmm...flaky
>
>  pardon? i do so hope you are not calling me flaky..

No, I was biting into a croissant when I wrote that. So, in short, to recap
in a slightly clearer version - your Netcom account died and you signed up
with AOL. Is that what you're trying to tell us, yes?

> otherwise, i'll have to
>  put a curse on you...and that's just SUCH a hassle, what with the whole
>  karma thing and all....

Putting curses on people gives you bad karma. And if they catch you, they'll
make sure you get it in *this* life. Same goes for shoplifting.


Be over there now,

Larry

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 12:09:56 -0500
From: Joshua Harmon (jnh4@CORNELL.EDU)
Subject: stereolab "laminations" promo cd


hi all.  i was wondering if anyone has an extra copy of this...i'll trade
or pay for it.

please email me if you can spare one.

joshua
jnh4@cornell.edu


Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 19:40:27 PST
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: FW: mazzy star - review of Among My Swan


 (from dez's reviews to pure-impure)
>Mazzy Star - Among My Swan (Capitol CD)
>The news is that Mazzy Star have changed....nothing. This is still the
>same old Velvet Underground three chord ballads with a bit of violin or
>bursts of guitar fuzz. But Hope's languid, almost lethargic vocals are
>still as erotic and mesmerising as ever, and the result is fifty or so
>minutes of blissful misery, or miserable bliss. Quite how they can be so



>wonderful whilst being so musically cliched is a mystery. But then does
>it matter?


I am just a poor uneducated boy from a developing country in one of the
non english
speaking parts of the world, and so trying to convey my impressions from
Mazzy Star's
music through e-mail would only result in frustration to everyone
involved. so I will
just say, before going on to review Among My Swan, that I have yet to
hear a MS song
that is less than amazingly beautiful. I will do my best, though, to
review AMS in
comparison to the previous MS albums without getting too excited. it may
be a less
then complete review.

ok. Mazzy Star have changed nothing. true. they simply decided, very
strangely and
imo regrettably, to exclude from AMS almost any hint of their psychedelic
past.
bad choice. while So Tonight That I Might See was a decidedly psychedelic
album,
with one or two acoustic minimalists songs, AMS is just the other way
round.
I don't quite understand the Velvet Underground comparison but most of
the songs
are indeed simple rock ballads, with simple guitar chords and bits of
violin and
fuzz.
non of that incredible drama of "mary of silence" or those amazing bursts
of
psychedelic guitars ala "she's my baby" or "ghost on the highway" or many
of
their previous songs. I am familiar with david roback's work since The
Rain Parade
and his unique guitar playing as been improving continuously to peak on
STTIMS. it's
hard to understand what has happened on AMS. the impression I get is that
roback
was tied to a chair in the studio and allowed to play using one hand and
one foot
only. he does this, providing inconspicuous background for hope's singing
until,
nearing the end of the album he manages to free himself and lets out all
of the
psychedelic energy that has built inside him into one incredible track
"umbilical" ,
that is just as good as the best songs of the previous albums.
unfortunately, the
malevolent forces that restricted him before, can't risk another escape
and they have
him amputated at once.

so the album is musically uninteresting, to say the least. the lyrics
also have
changed. a hint of optimism creeps into the songs, corrupting everything
it touches,
and the only song I can really identify with is "I've been let down".

but boring can still be beautiful and this is very important to
understand.
Hope's voice will make an airport pa system sound like music. mesmerising
is a good
word. so are languid and erotic and my favourite - crushing, but there's
really no
way of describing her voice in words. there's nothing more I can say
about this
without repeating myself, I simply don't know enough adjectives. in any
case, this
is what makes the difference and AMS is a beautiful album. very
beautiful.

so what do we learn from all this ?
well, nothing that we didn't already know. but now we can guess what
"going home"
may sound like. will we ever find out ... ?


-naor-

"the mercy seat is waiting..."

-----------------End of Original Message-----------------


Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 13:34:18 -0400
From: Matt Walburn/Summer Holiday (mdwalbur@STUDENT.BERKLEE.EDU)
Subject: Re: rhp on tour with maids of gravity?


>>I saw the first show of this tour in Tempe, AZ. Lemme try to remember the
>>songs...Have You Forgotten (new), Priest Alley Song (new), All Mixed Up
>>(new), Lord Kill the Pain, Grace Cathedral Park, Evil, Uncle Joe, Leaving
>>on a Jet Plane...that's all I can recall but there may have been one or two
>>more. They were quite flexible with their setlist and seemed to be making
>>up a lot of it as they went. Looking at my list, I just noticed they played
>>nothing from "Ocean Beach." Hmmmmm. (I'm still bummed that Katy Song wasn't
>>played!)


I also saw RHP on the John Cale Tour they only played 6 songs...  all from
the Second RHP album(rollercoaster)


Grace Cathedral Park
New Jersey
Strawberry Hill
Things Mean A Lot
Rollercoaster

and they closed with Katy Song!!!

>>but the song to watch out for is one
>>I had never heard, I'm pretty sure it's unreleased, unless I overlooked it
>>before...I think it's called something like "Avida" or Avita"

"Avita" is an incredible song!!! there were other new ones also!

Matt Walburn
Box #2179
Berklee College of Music
150 Massachusetts Avenue
Boston, MA 02115
email--> mdwalbur@student.berklee.edu
phone--> (617) 859-3936
"...wrapped in white sheets like an angel from a bedtime story."


Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 15:26:49 -0500
From: Marissa Kraft (RISSARO@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Mazzy Star (sorry if this appears twice)


 Howdy fellow 4aders,
  No i'm not a new one, i just don't post too much.  However, upon reading
all this recent stuff about Mazzy Star being boring , I was wondering if
anyone who has seen her ,
 would recommend seeing her despite her "non-chalance" and perfectionism.
 Her songs are beautiful and i'm really discouraged (and disappointed in her)

 from what people have been saying about seeing her perform.  She's coming to
  Chicago (YEAH!) soon and i'm having a lot of trouble deciding if i should
 get
  tix or not (if there are any left) because i don't want to be disappointed.
   I'm affraid it will turn me off from her music.  So what do you think?
  ~MaRiSsA

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 16:24:45 EST
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: E.O.S.T


>>i forget). could one of you knowledgeable folks post a discography

>Fluidtrance Centauri EP (3 tracks)
>Free-D (Original Soundtrack) album [includes new versions of the 3 EP tracks]
>Astralavista EP [remixes of album tracks by Bandulu and others]

>Also an earlier album that was released in the Czech Republic only,
>apparently.

The first album is called Sussurate and was released on Reflex records of Prague
in 1992. the tracks are Pistacchio Places / Swoony / To Alison / Ice Cream Star
/ Sweet Abyss / Thorn In Y'r Grip / Seven / Absinth. It's very much in an MBV
stylee, but is quite good. The cover is a shot of a load of baby terrapins. I
found my copy secondhand in Manchester - whether it was a stray copy, or was
imported I know not.

- Dez


Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 21:15:47 +0000
From: starlite walker (ma6so@BATH.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: curve/swallow


'Pink girl with the blues' shouldnt be too hard to find at all, i used
to be a massive curve fan and i was eagerly awaiting the release,
paradoxically, all tracks on the single manage to be complete shite
whilst still sounding like classic curve (work that one out). not
reccommended.

The bloke out of swallow now does some kind of dance thing, sorry, can't
remember the name, he was in the melody maker a few months back. Its
meant to be 'melodic, with big beats' from what i remember, didnt like
the sound of 'big beats' so i didnt bother with it.

does anyone have the new rose chronicles album?, is it as good as their
last?, havent been able to get it yet.
what about east river pipe?

bye.

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 14:48:20 -0800
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Subject: {<<>>}


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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 15:24:49 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Mazzy Star (sorry if this appears twice)


On Sun, 17 Nov 1996, Marissa Kraft wrote:

>  Howdy fellow 4aders,
>   No i'm not a new one, i just don't post too much.  However, upon reading
> all this recent stuff about Mazzy Star being boring , I was wondering if
> anyone who has seen her ,
>  would recommend seeing her despite her "non-chalance" and perfectionism.
>  Her songs are beautiful and i'm really discouraged (and disappointed in her)
>
>  from what people have been saying about seeing her perform.  She's coming to
>   Chicago (YEAH!) soon and i'm having a lot of trouble deciding if i should
>  get
>   tix or not (if there are any left) because i don't want to be disappointed.
>    I'm affraid it will turn me off from her music.  So what do you think?
>   ~MaRiSsA

        Just FYI, Mazzy Star is a 'they', not a 'her'. The 'her' is Hope
Sandoval.


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