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Subject: Re: Paladins rock bottom
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 17:31:30 -0600
From: oteran (oteran@SHRIKE.DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Sunday Night TV
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 22:06:15 -0800
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: belly songbook/verve inquiry
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 16:15:08 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Nenette & Boni Tindersticks Track
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 00:04:55 +-200
From: EITAN SHAVIT (eitan@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: Re: Paladins rock bottom
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 02:21:41 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Seefeel
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 09:20:42 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Virgin Compilation?
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 21:26:27 -0500
From: elemental frisbee (ktp52952@PEGASUS.CC.UCF.EDU)
Subject: Re: mailing list
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:23:32 +1100
From: vince (jaax@ARIA3.LYON.ARCHI.FR)
Subject: Re: Virgin Compilation?
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 09:28:18 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Sunday Night TV
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 09:49:11 -0500
From: jawolfe (jawolfe@INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Anne Clarke
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 13:26:53 PST
From: Tom Weibrecht (tweibrecht@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: Paladins rock bottom
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:00:53 -0600
From: Matthew T De Bellis (mdebelli@SHRIKE.DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Hope is a word you use when all hope is lost
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 20:36:49 -0800
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Hope the outgoing extrovert
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 12:44:42 -0500
From: Scott David Anderson (humgiant@USER1.CHANNEL1.COM)

Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 17:31:30 -0600
From: oteran (oteran@SHRIKE.DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Paladins rock bottom


At 09:26 AM 11/7/96 -0800, you wrote:

>Could the Paladins really be a stunt to destroy the label
>from the inside? And us suckers are going to force ourselves
>to like it, just like we did with Tarnation and Scheer.
>Man, if that Jive Bombers album was going to come out,
>then the shit would really hit the fan... I will forever maintain
>that this was to be a cruel joke.
>
>|    Dewdrops Records     | Splashed With Many A Speck |
>| 12515 Pacific Ave. #106 |   A Dewdrops Compilation   |
>|  Los Angeles, CA 90066  |        Winter 1997         |
>|   www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html   |
>
>      > Uncommon music that deserves to be heard <
>
>

............at least Tarnation was good (IMHO).
oteran
oteran@shrike.depaul.edu

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"I know what I like, I like Fritos"
Reba McEntire
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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 22:06:15 -0800
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Sunday Night TV


schokokeks wrote:

> Jeff Keibel wrote:
> > on MTV's M2 off-shoot channel
> You get this on satellite, right?

YES!  I only wish it was a channel I could get on cable.  Having access
to a dish is great!  Ever seen the "All-Ivo Network"??  Nothing but a
guy named Boik talking about 4AD and holding up Xmal Deutschland and Dif
Juz record covers to the camera.  It's 24 hours, too!

Jeff Keibel
Scarborough, ON
CANADA
redshift@interlog.com


Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 16:15:08 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: belly songbook/verve inquiry


Dave Sargent asks:
>in the movie Nadja, there is the beginning of this verve song that's played
>twice and i absolutely love it. i can't remember the name of it though; can
>anyone tell me what album it's from and if i can expect similar sounds
>from the
>verve? it was very reverb-y/shoegazy.

I don't recall what song that was; I stopped keeping track of Verve after
their first album. IMHO, if you want the best, most shoegazy Verve stuff
you should pick up their earlier material, much of which is collected on
"The Verve EP". Several really brilliant tracks, even if they omitted the
superior long version of "She's a Superstar". My ears detect a strong
Pink Floyd influence (circa "Meddle") which is just fine with me. Their
later stuff, starting with "A Storm In Heaven" started to sound in many
ways too U2-like, particularly the vocals.

__________          ___________________          ________________________
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                                                 jens@mooseyard.com [play]

  'Time in the shadow of the wing of the thing too big to see, rising.'
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 00:04:55 +-200
From: EITAN SHAVIT (eitan@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: Re: Nenette & Boni Tindersticks Track


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        Steven Venn wrote:

Hey Does anyone who has seen french director Clair Denis' film Nenette
& Boni know what the name of the Tindersticks track is, that's in it?

I have been trying to find out which cd its on, but I didn't catch
the name of it.

Thanks,
Steve

Tindersticks have released a new album which is actually the soundtrack =
for the film by
Claire Denis - Nenette et Boni.
it was released on their own label - This Way Up ( as all their albums ) =
and is distributed=20
by Island records.

The cover shows a rabbit standing between a woman's legs, probably a =
scene from the movie, which I haven't yet seen.

The album is rather very short compared to other tindersticks releases, =
and is actually made of improvisations on their own stuff, different =
mixes, and some other instrumental stuff.
Brilliant as they have always been, this album keeps up with their =
ususal melancholic type of music, but still chillingly beautiful.

Eitan.


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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 02:21:41 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Paladins rock bottom


In a message dated 96-11-12 00:22:24 EST, you write:

<< ...........at least Tarnation was good (IMHO).
 oteran
 oteran@shrike.depaul.edu

 --------------------------------------- >>
I agree wholehardtly--I am excited about their new album in March with
producer John Cale (VU).  We are starting a Tarnation homepage that will be
up soon.  Look for it.


Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 09:20:42 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Seefeel


 "New" "album" out now on Rephlex - actually it was recorded (according
 to someone on usenet) at the same time as "Succour", and it is only 35
 minutes long with 6 tracks, so it is not new and barely an album.  The
 time of recording seems about right - "the Seefeel release on Rephlex"
 hasn't been anticipated for quite as long as the new MBV album, but
 almost.

 6 tracks - one is a version of "Utreat", and the other five are like
 the quieter moments of "Succour".  "Ashdecon", on first listen, is the
 only track showing signs of genius, but the others are pretty good and
 it took me a while to get into "Succour".  Shame about the price and
 length, though.

 Oh, and I found a Jessamine/Transparent Thing split single (Jessamine
 track is a live-to-cassette recording, bass-heavy but quite good), and
 Seely have a 7" out, "Meteor Storm" with a B-side which wasn't on the
 promo CD I was sent recently by those lovely people at Too Pure USA.
 "Wind and Would", I think it's called, and it is not all that good,
 singing sounds a bit out of tune to me.  PURE 63, I think, which means
 that I am now going to get paranoid about missing a Mouse on Mars
 release or something.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England
nja@le.ac.uk

Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 21:26:27 -0500
From: elemental frisbee (ktp52952@PEGASUS.CC.UCF.EDU)
Subject: Re: Virgin Compilation?


On Mon, 11 Nov 1996, Joseph Burns wrote:
> Virgin was also responsible for the "OCEANS OF SOUND" coumpliation which
> is another very interesting VERY diverse concoction of sounds and music.
> hope this was helpful
> joe

i saw a book "oceans of sound," dealing with ambient and some this-listy
music.  and the book mentioned the cd, oceans of sound, that follows
the book's writings.  seemed to be very thorough, and i'll pick it up when
i get the opportunity.  anybody read it?

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:23:32 +1100
From: vince (jaax@ARIA3.LYON.ARCHI.FR)
Subject: Re: mailing list


>Please mail to me
HI


Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 09:28:18 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Virgin Compilation?

              from "Joseph Burns" at Nov 11, 96 09:33:15 am

 Joseph Burns  wrote on Mon, 11 Nov 1996
 (Subject: Re: Virgin Compilation?)
 >
 > Not sure if these are the Virgin Compilations that were mentioned
 > before, but they do have some really gret music on them...  however
 > more in the vein of ambeint/techno...  although their selection of
 > music is REALLY broad and does not by any means stay within the
 > cliched boundaries of most ambient techno...  There's some stuff
 > thats more this-listie, and there's a lot of strange combinations
 > of world music and dub, a lot of really interesting Eno/Fripp/Brook
 > tracks too.
 >
 > Anyway, there have been four of them: Ambient 'a brief history of
 > ambient - vol.  one' Ambient 2 'Imaginary Landscapes' Volume 3 -
 > 'The Music of Changes' Ambient 4 - 'Isolationism'
 >
 > IMHO Ambient 2 and Volume 3 are the best in the series.
 > 'Isolationism' has a lot more minimal music on it - stuff by Aphex
 > Twin, Seefeel, Labradford, Zoviet France etc...
 >
 > Virgin was also responsible for the "OCEANS OF SOUND" coumpliation
 > which is another very interesting VERY diverse concoction of sounds
 > and music.

 Part of the same series - which now includes compilations of
 jazz-rock, sixties soul, Japanese noise-rock, and others.  Plus
 original albums by Sufi, Techno Animal and Paul Schutze.  Most of the
 tracks on "Isolationism" are exclusive to that compilation, unlike the
 previous three which are compiled solely from Virgin's back-catalogue.
 I think someone else has already mentioned the space/drone/post-rock
 "Monsters, Robots and Bug Men" set.


 elemental frisbee  wrote on Mon, 11 Nov 1996
 (Subject: Re: Virgin Compilation?)
 > On Mon, 11 Nov 1996, Joseph Burns wrote:
 > > Virgin was also responsible for the "OCEANS OF SOUND"
 > > coumpliation which is another very interesting VERY diverse
 > > concoction of sounds and music.  hope this was helpful joe
 >
 > i saw a book "oceans of sound," dealing with ambient and some
 > this-listy music.  and the book mentioned the cd, oceans of sound,
 > that follows the book's writings.  seemed to be very thorough, and
 > i'll pick it up when i get the opportunity.  anybody read it?

 Yes - not really worth the money in my view.  "Crooning on Venus" is a
 second double CD to accompany the book, of David Toop's favourite vocal
 performances (includes Liz F/FSOL, Sheila Chandra, Stina N and other
 list favourites).  The book is unfocussed (perhaps deliberately), and
 it's difficult to tell what Toop's exact point is, other than the fact
 that there are many different ways to experience music/sound.  Nice
 compilations, though.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England
nja@le.ac.uk


Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 09:49:11 -0500
From: jawolfe (jawolfe@INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Sunday Night TV


On Mon, 11 Nov 1996, Jeff Keibel wrote
> YES!  I only wish it was a channel I could get on cable.  Having access
> to a dish is great!  Ever seen the "All-Ivo Network"??  Nothing but a
> guy named Boik talking about 4AD and holding up Xmal Deutschland and Dif
> Juz record covers to the camera.


And they say there is nothing on TV... what were they thinking?  Whose
"they" anyway?


Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 13:26:53 PST
From: Tom Weibrecht (tweibrecht@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: Anne Clarke


on this subject, does anyone know if the new single with bill lasswell
remixes is out yet? thanks...tom w
On Sat, 9 Nov 1996 22:31:09 +0400 Dmitri Bender  writes:
>>> Does anyone know of a "singer" called Anne Clarke?
>
>
>>I like her album "Hope Road" on Virgin.  The title song refers to a
>
>
>That should be "Hopeless Cases" methinks (although I have a vinyl
>released by 10 Records - CD version might differ...)- I just adore the
>album, and "hope road" is one of my favorite songs EVER.
>
>I remember seeing her manager posting , uhm, unsolicited plug of sorts
>on
>the list  (he regretted about that later though and apologized...).
>
>Dmitri
>


Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:00:53 -0600
From: Matthew T De Bellis (mdebelli@SHRIKE.DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Paladins rock bottom


It's just music....either you like it or you don't.  I really doubt
there's more to it than that....


p.s. - i love tarnation!  even more than dead can dance and the cocteau's.

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 20:36:49 -0800
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Hope is a word you use when all hope is lost


Scott David Anderson wrote:

> The massey hall show in toronto was somewhat similar(to the previous
> message's).  mazzy star opened for the cocteau twins on the heaven or
> las vegas tour.
> jeff keibel, did you get to catch this show?  it was one of my favorite
> journeys to toronto(lot's of snow and beautiful music)

No, I was still living out in the prairies of Alberta when that tour
happened.  I missed YEARS of gigging and I'm only just starting to catch
up on some much needed concerts.  It's so nice to live in a city where
bands coming to town is a regular thing not some divine event...
although having His Name Is Alive AND Red House Painters on the same
bill is pretty darn close to divine!

Jeff Keibel
Scarborough, ON
CANADA
redshift@interlog.com


Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 12:44:42 -0500
From: Scott David Anderson (humgiant@USER1.CHANNEL1.COM)
Subject: Re: Hope the outgoing extrovert


just some trivial rambling about mazzy in concert...

The massey hall show in toronto was somewhat similar(to the previous
message's).  mazzy star opened for the cocteau twins on the heaven or las
vegas tour.  they were excellent, until the ground hum coming from roback's
guitar was too much for he and hope to handle.  the roadies attempted to
fix it while they played, but after five minutes, hope got really pissed
and left the stage(after she said 'you guys are shit').  the band continued
to play for about two more minutes as the roadies still tried to fix the
amp buzz, then roback(is it david? i can't remember) slammed his guitar
into his amps and stormed off also.  it was really disappointing because
the few songs they managed to get through were excellent.  i hope to see
them again sometime, with a longer set...

also, the cocteau twins were simply fantastic!  they played everything i
wanted to hear plus some...

scott

jeff keibel, did you get to catch this show?  it was one of my favorite
journeys to toronto(lot's of snow and beautiful music)

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