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Subject: tanya
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 22:57:16 EST
From: Princess Coldheart (aleppo@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: on-line distributers
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 00:21:19 -0500
From: Marissa Kraft (RISSARO@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: need recommendations
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 07:41:36 +0100
From: lbo (lbo@IOL.IT)
Subject: Re: on-line distributers
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 02:37:53 -0500
From: Jill Burkart (starla@IGLOU.COM)
Subject: eyesore updated
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 12:15:27 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Anne Clarke
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 22:31:09 +0400
From: Dmitri Bender (db@MARK-ITT.RU)
Subject: Death of 4ad?
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 14:17:06 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: live noise: princess dragon-mom
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 13:39:54 -0500
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Judgement of Paris
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 14:36:42 -0500
From: Matt Walburn/Summer Holiday (mdwalbur@STUDENT.BERKLEE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Paladins rock bottom
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 11:56:49 -0800
From: nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Some items for sale/trade
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 12:51:53 -0500
From: butterfly mcqueen (eehong@WESLEYAN.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 7 Nov 1996 to 8 Nov 1996
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 16:34:57 -0600
From: Kwan Lee (lee@MAILHOST.TCS.TULANE.EDU)
Subject: Mama Oliver
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 20:05:57 -0500
From: "James P. Crimm" (jcrimm@MOOSE.UVM.EDU)

Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 22:57:16 EST
From: Princess Coldheart (aleppo@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: tanya


this just in:
tanya donnely
novemeber 29
the mercury lounge
NYC


Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 00:21:19 -0500
From: Marissa Kraft (RISSARO@AOL.COM)
Subject: on-line distributers


HI,
I've searched every corner of every independent and warehouse musci store for
Kristin Hersh's "Just say Roe" and "Your Ghost" and could not find either.
 SO, I was wondering if anyone could recommend any reliable and cheap
mail-order companies.  Or, if anyone has either of these albums, to contact
me for a trade.
Thanks
~MaRiSsA

Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 07:41:36 +0100
From: lbo (lbo@IOL.IT)
Subject: Re: need recommendations


>The Orb - Orbus Terrarum

is the one with some strange clocks on the cover?  to avoid absolutely,
imho.  boring, useless, selfpopmpous.



-----------------------------

personal home page

reVision - musica e cultura non necessariamente convenzionale


Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 02:37:53 -0500
From: Jill Burkart (starla@IGLOU.COM)
Subject: Re: on-line distributers


On Sat, 9 Nov 1996, Marissa Kraft wrote:

> HI,
> I've searched every corner of every independent and warehouse musci store for
> Kristin Hersh's "Just say Roe" and "Your Ghost" and could not find either.
>  SO, I was wondering if anyone could recommend any reliable and cheap
> mail-order companies.  Or, if anyone has either of these albums, to contact
> me for a trade.
> Thanks
> ~MaRiSsA

Could one problem be that "Just Say Roe" is going to be under various
artist compilations?  Sorry if you knew that already.  Anyway, I'm not
sure if they're all that cheap but I had good luck and fast service with
CD Now.  Is there a place near you that does special orders?  Have them
look for "Just Say Roe" but it MAY be out of print by now.

Hope that helps:)


Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 12:15:27 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: eyesore updated


I've finally gotten around to including the latest 32 scans sent to me
from Ralf, and I've also updated the data somewhat.  Nothing major,
though.

Point your web browser to

(On the never-ending "Death of 4AD" thread -- "excerpts from a Love
Circus" was *very* nice, so if 4AD is, in fact, dead, then rigor mortis
hasn't set in quite yet.)

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen


Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 22:31:09 +0400
From: Dmitri Bender (db@MARK-ITT.RU)
Subject: Anne Clarke


>> Does anyone know of a "singer" called Anne Clarke?


>I like her album "Hope Road" on Virgin.  The title song refers to a


That should be "Hopeless Cases" methinks (although I have a vinyl
released by 10 Records - CD version might differ...)- I just adore the
album, and "hope road" is one of my favorite songs EVER.

I remember seeing her manager posting , uhm, unsolicited plug of sorts on
the list  (he regretted about that later though and apologized...).

Dmitri

Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 14:17:06 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Death of 4ad?


In a message dated 96-11-09 12:41:55 EST, you write:

<< On the never-ending "Death of 4AD" thread -- "excerpts from a Love
 Circus" was *very* nice, so if 4AD is, in fact, dead, then rigor mortis
 hasn't set in quite yet.) >>

You make a very good point.  All the people complaining have not pointed out
great records this year--Lush, Mojave 3, His Name is Alive, Heidi Berry, and
of course Dead Can Dance.  I like every record emmensely from each band.  I
even like Scheer alot (does anyone remember Trompe le Monde?) And alsothe new
Gus Gus is wonderful.  One bad album does not kill a label unless everyone
wants 4ad dead.  I don't.  As a whole, their new bands are great (Tarnation
being one of my favorites).  I think 4ad is still very alive and kicking.

E

Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 13:39:54 -0500
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: live noise: princess dragon-mom (fwd)


sorry if it did get to you but it got returned.
pd-m is playing tonight. (saturday)

Subject: live noise: princess dragon-mom


for those hardcore noise fans:
princess dragon-mom (detroit)
7000 dying rats (detroit)
and two other bands i cant remember
are  playing at the 31G this saturday
nov.9.

31G is just down the block from bells brewery
if you want times and prices and are interested
just mail me... (and tell me if youll be there i might go)

                ---> [spiral]
                99lear@lab.cc.wmich.edu


Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 14:36:42 -0500
From: Matt Walburn/Summer Holiday (mdwalbur@STUDENT.BERKLEE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Judgement of Paris


Hey...  I've got bad news on Judgement of Paris.  I'm good friends with
Christian and Joel and JOP is not currently active.  I guess that they
might put out another record SOMEDAY but right now for all intensive
purposes the band is done.

        THe good news is that Christian and Joel have a new, equally beautiful
band called Passage.  It's much more acoustic. (the only electiric
instrument is the bass.  the setup is 2 acoustic guitars, bass, drums,
Christian still singing and also is joined by a lovely-voiced female
singer named Diana.  And of course, the Hammered Dulcimer is still
there. They have recorded an album(which is beautiful!) and are
currently looking for a label to release it.  So right now all they have
is a cassette e.p.  which I can get you if you're interested.  Other
than that stop through Minneapolis sometime and catch one of their
shows!

Hope this helps...

Matt Walburn
Box #2179
Berklee College of Music
150 Massachusetts Avenue
Boston, MA 02115
email--> mdwalbur@student.berklee.edu
phone--> (617) 859-3936
"...wrapped in white sheets like an angel from a bedtime story."

Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 11:56:49 -0800
From: nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Re: Paladins rock bottom


>> The Paladins controversy I started (every hear of
   Devil's advocate, people?)

F.S. replies:
> You are a real asshole and to think I actually used to respect you.  I have
> probably more 4ad stuff and listened to them longer than you ever have.
>  Then, you make a judgement about me and my tastes now and all other 4AD
> fans.  I think Tarnation is one of the best ever bands on 4ad.  I did not
> force myself to like it.  There are others who like it as much too.  You are
> the narrow-minded one.  Scheer is cool if you give it a chance.  WHat did
> people say when 4ad signed Marrs, Pixies, Colourbox, now they are core 4ad.
>  Anyway, take the beam out of your own eye, before you take the splinter out
> of Ivo's.  WHat has Dewdrops done with any signings--your music is horrible
> shit.  Plus, you had a great mag and you know what has become of it--a
> whining "what has 4ad done to the fans" letter.  ANd when was the last one
> sent out.  Your mag was great, now it is a ripoff.  And you complain.  I
> don't care for the Paladins, but the rest is great and does fit in well with
> 4ad you narrow-minded person.  A label has to change and evolve, something
> you quite haven't learned.

Look, I respect the fact that you do not like the music,
but I will continue to stand by it as some of the best music
I have heard, period. Sure Thurtene wasn't great, but
we had no choice in the matter. If we HAD, many of the bands
wouldn't be on there. It wasn't supposed to be anything
great, just a little one-off 4ad-l project.
But the other releases I would say are just
as good as any other bands any indie label has released,
and we have plenty of people who agree.
But, as I said, I don't expect everyone to like them.
You obviously don't, and you have every right to do so.
Likewise I don't expect to like every single band on 4AD,
and I have every right to complain about them and poke a little
mischievous fun at them. I may have overstepped my bounds
with this last message, but these opinions are mine and
are just as valid as yours. I'm not going to let your contempt
for my label bring me down. I would suggest you take this
more level-headed position and just consider me as someone
who does not like some of these bands and cut back on the personal
attacks.

As far as the zine goes, I challenge you to find any evidence
whatsoever that we've become a
"whining 'what has 4ad done to the fans' letter", beyond a casual
harmless remark or two in some review. If you show me this evidence
I will print a full page apology and retraction of any such
unprofessional remarks. In the last issue the
name 4AD was used only 14 times, 13 of these in a purely
informational context, and one where I said I prefer
the music on Bedazzled lately. Similarly, in issue 14
"4AD" was used 20 times, all in the context of passing on
objective information. I have never considered Dewdrops a
forum for complaint; rather I treat it as an opportunity to
spread the word about music I feel strongly about through
enthusiastic reviews. Something you would obviously like
to do for Tarnation. We have the same goals, but happen to
disagree on what we like.

Speaking of Tarnation, we have not chosen to ignore this band.
The reason they have not been covered yet does have a little to
do with the fact I don't particularly care for what I've heard
(and by the way, I saw them live and thought they were
pretty good), but the main reason is our budget. We have never
been on any sort of promo list with 4AD, and the only way
we get any 4AD stuff these days is to buy it, and frankly, I'd
rather spend my limited money on something I know I would like. Besides,
Dewdrops ceased to be a 4AD fanzine long ago (if it ever was one,
in fact) so I feel no compulsion to cover each and every
release they put out. When 4AD-US was based in New York,
a certain Ms. Hood said, basically, 'look there are lots of other
labels and a ton of other good music to cover, so you shouldn't
just focus on us.' She was right, obviously, and that has been my
goal-- to bring people 'uncommon music that deserves to be heard'
from whatever source. Just remember, it's going to be filtered
through the tastes and opinions of myself and my small staff, who I would
argue have pretty broad-minded views. (I mean, come on, we covered
Blueboy and Disco Inferno in the same issue, and closet favorites
of mine are Yes and old Genesis, believe it or not!)
All aspects of what we do have steadily improved beyond
the amateurish first several issues, and the last several
are by far the best we have done. I am extremely
proud of what we have created, but if you really
do think we're ripping you off, then fine, we'll refund your
remaining subscription, no questions asked, and I'll extend
the same offer to anyone else.

As far as our schedule goes, yes I am quite aware that the most
recent one was out last May, and if you'd paid attention
when I posted a long message a few weeks ago, you'd have
understood what was going on. I'm finishing up a long-term
graduate degree after nine straight years at UCLA, and free time
to do anything but prepare my 215 page dissertation is at an
all time low. I've spent 27 of my 32 years in school working
toward this moment, and my musical side projects are a large
part of what's kept me sane in the past decade.
So share a little kindness, and I'll cut back on my
proclamations of impending doom in the 4AD camp.

Brant Nelson

|    Dewdrops Records     | Splashed With Many A Speck |
| 12515 Pacific Ave. #106 |   A Dewdrops Compilation   |
|  Los Angeles, CA 90066  |        Winter 1997         |
|   www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html   |

      > Uncommon music that deserves to be heard <


Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 12:51:53 -0500
From: butterfly mcqueen (eehong@WESLEYAN.EDU)
Subject: Some items for sale/trade


Hey guys, I'm trying to get rid of some stuff from my collection.
The CD's are going for $6 postage paid in the U.S., but trades receive priority.

Please reply by e-mail only!

Relevant Shiznit
----------------
Chapterhouse - Blood Music (2CD)
Chimera - Earth Loop
House of Love - Audience With The Mind
Labradford - A Stable Reference
Medicine - Sounds of Medicine
Ride - Smile

Other
-----
Catherine - Sorry
Dambuilders - Encendedor
Definition of Sound - Experience
Emmet Swimming - Wake
Emmet Swimming - Arlington To Boston
For Squirrels - Example
Groove Theory - Groove Theory
Lotion - Full Isaac
Oasis - Definitely Maybe
Oasis - (What's The Story) Morning Glory?
Rush - Chronicles (2CD)
Shamen - Boss Drum
Thin White Rope - The One that Got Away (Live 2CD)
Three Fish (Jeff Ament side project) - Three Fish
Unwritten Law - Oz Factor
V/A - The Craft Soundtrack, feat. Jewel, Elastica, Sponge, Matthew Sweet,
  and Juliana Hatfield.

Some things I am looking for
----------------------------
Bowery Electric - 2x7" (If you have this, I'm sure we can arrange something!)
Ecstasy of St. Theresa - Free-D Original Soundtrack
Seefeel - Starethrough EP
Slowdive - Blue Day
Spacemen 3 - Most things
Spiritualized - Lazer Guided Melodies

Thanks!


Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 16:34:57 -0600
From: Kwan Lee (lee@MAILHOST.TCS.TULANE.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 7 Nov 1996 to 8 Nov 1996

              digest processor" at Nov 9, 96 00:00:21 am

Please remove me from your list, thanks...


Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 20:05:57 -0500
From: "James P. Crimm" (jcrimm@MOOSE.UVM.EDU)
Subject: Mama Oliver


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