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Subject: That Alanis kid, again...
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 09:51:49 -0700
From: Jess Mangold (jman@SELWAY.UMT.EDU)
Subject: Swirl, Philippa Nihill
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 14:03:19 EST
From: dboughey@MGDESTMX01.ERIN.GOV.AU
Subject: Re: HEIDI BERRY/ANNE CLARKE
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 04:06:14 +0100
From: lbo (lbo@IOL.IT)
Subject: Judgement of Paris
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 13:55:51 -0700
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Good luck charm...
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 21:20:55 -0800
From: Ellen Turpin-Dennig (roxie@bbs.cruzio.com)
Subject: Unrelated topic
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 08:25:48 +0200
From: J Curtis (curtisj@icl.co.za)
Subject: Lisa Gerrard in packard-bell commercial
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 13:58:17 -0500
From: elemental frisbee (ktp52952@PEGASUS.CC.UCF.EDU)
Subject: Re: HEIDI BERRY/ANNE CLARKE
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 19:42:52 -0600
From: Lebron (diegoh@GIGA.COM)
Subject: Re: ANNE CLARKE
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 03:08:51 -0800
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: HEIDI BERRY/ANNE CLARKE
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 17:45:56 -0500
From: John Roseborough (jrose@CS.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: DCD's percussionist - Peter Ulrich
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 22:18:06 +-200
From: EITAN SHAVIT (eitan@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: Donnelly and Deal.
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 11:04:31 EST
From: "Steven Hipkiss." (sah577@VMS1.BHAM.AC.UK)
Subject: Stina Nordenstam - Dynamite
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 11:51:29 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: stina nordenstam
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 16:28:03 -0000
From: "Whittaker David (Exchange)" (WhittakerD@LOGICA.COM)
Subject: Good luck charm...
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 12:49:40 EST
From: LGC2C@DMT03.MCC.VIRGINIA.EDU
Subject: Heidi Berry
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 22:44:42 +0000
From: Emma Wilson (efw1000@HERMES.CAM.AC.UK)
Subject: DAVID LOVERING
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 11:31:51 CST6DST
From: PEREZ GUTIERREZ JORGE HUMBERTO (AR24051@LHP.GDL.ITESO.MX)
Subject: live noise: princess dragon-mom
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 13:26:13 -0500
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 5 Nov 1996 to 6 Nov 1996
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 11:22:14 +1100
From: Matthew Kirkcaldie (matthewk@POSTOFFICE.UTAS.EDU.AU)
Subject: lovesliescrushing
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 12:35:17 +1000
From: KRATHYN WHITE (ka.white@STUDENT.QUT.EDU.AU)

Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 09:51:49 -0700
From: Jess Mangold (jman@SELWAY.UMT.EDU)
Subject: That Alanis kid, again...


In this month's issue of Spy Magazine there is a humorous article entitled
"Nice Girls...Don't Sell Records." Remembering the passionate debate we 4AD
listies had over Our Lady Alanis prompted me to reprint this article in the
hopes that some of you might get a chuckle out of it.

"...Saccharine singers give 'piece of ass' a chance..."

Loose Chanteuse: Alanis Morissette

Good Girl: Appeared on Nickelodeon's "You Can't Do That on Television" as a
child. Despite her publicist's insistence that 1995's "Jagged Little Pill"
was her debut record, Morissette had in fact released two sugary Debbie
Gibson-derivative pop albums in Canada. They both bombed.

% of U.S. aware of her existence: 0

Bad Girl: Sang about performing fellatio in a movie theater in the P.J.
Harvey-esque "You Oughta Know." Sang about masturbation in "Hand in My
Pocket." Won a ridiculous number of Grammys. "Jagged Little Pill" was number
one on the "Billboard" pop charts for 11 weeks.

% of U.S. aware of her existence: 65

Printed from Spy Magazine, December 1996.

debate. I did it to entertain. I urge you to go out and buy this month's
issue and read the rest of the article. Now, on to the 4AD list...


Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 14:03:19 EST
From: dboughey@MGDESTMX01.ERIN.GOV.AU
Subject: Swirl, Philippa Nihill


Just some things I came across in newspapers recently that I don't think have
been posted here yet:

Swirl has a new ep out.  From the review I think it is called "On my Own", or
perhaps that's just a song title.

Phillipa Nihill, (ex Underground Lovers) has an ep out - "Dear Sad" (Rubber
Records, Mainstream Recordings).  Sounds like it has about six tracks on it,
(including  a cover version of the Bee Gees "Islands in the Stream"!).  The
reviewer was happy with the sound, but a little disappointed with the
songwriting.  I'll let you know what I think when I buy it.

Also..

>Anyone agree that we ought to have an increased focus here on the "ethereal"
>sort of music that isn't talked about much on pure-impure?  After all 4AD did
>pioneer the sound and we might have a critical mass of DCD, CT, HNIA, This
>Mortal Coil fans here.  There's plenty of new music in this vein that deserves
a
>place here but seems to not quite fit in on the pure/impure list:  Love is
>Colder than Death, Love Spirals Downwards, Rosewater Elizabeth, Velour, Bel
>Canto, Hector Zazou, etc.

>So, what do ya think?

>-cz

Always happy to hear more about stuff like that.

David Boughey

Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 04:06:14 +0100
From: lbo (lbo@IOL.IT)
Subject: Re: HEIDI BERRY/ANNE CLARKE


At 14:29 06/11/96 PST, you wrote:

>Does anyone know of a "singer" called Anne Clarke? She has these really

there is an official AC's page, I don't have the url at hand right now but
you can go at the link section of reVision netzine, you'll see the url here
under.

AC is active from the early 80's, she started with a keyboardist called Dave
something, if I'm not wrong, that has made a solo album worth of note for
those who like 80's electro new wave.



-----------------------------

personal home page

reVision - musica e cultura non necessariamente convenzionale


Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 13:55:51 -0700
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Judgement of Paris

              23:52:17 -0600

>   Completely changing the subject - Does anyone have any
>   info on Judgement of Paris???  I had heard about a year
>   ago that they were releasing a third album, but have not
>   been able to find it anywhere???  I would appreciate any
>   info you have!!!

Sorry, i don't really have anything new to say regarding the new album but
whoever DOES know anything about this--please post it to the list.  I have been
wondering where that semi-mythical third album is too.  The first two were so
good.  I have heard recently that they *are* still around but one wonders
whether i'd even see this album in my local stores considering that the last
album had such a hodge-podge distribution.  I'm depending on the "connected"
people on this list to keep me up to date.  Don't fail me now.

-cz

Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 21:20:55 -0800
From: Ellen Turpin-Dennig (roxie@bbs.cruzio.com)
Subject: Good luck charm...


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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 08:25:48 +0200
From: J Curtis (curtisj@icl.co.za)
Subject: Unrelated topic


I realise that this is not the place, but perhaps someone out there can put
me out of my misery - What label has released the Romeo and Juliet
soundtrack ?

Thanks in anticipation !

Jason


Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 13:58:17 -0500
From: elemental frisbee (ktp52952@PEGASUS.CC.UCF.EDU)
Subject: Lisa Gerrard in packard-bell commercial


continuing the Lisa Gerrard music in...  thread

yesterday i saw a creepy Packard-Bell (computer) commercial that
seemed to have a few seconds of gerrard-vocal music in it.  It seemed to
be her 'droneing' voice simply going up a scale accompinied by
choral-ahh's, not quite in the dcd/gerrard vein, but close.  (and nice)

is it her?  was it dcd or some other group

(fyi, the commercial starts off by sweeping through some bleak futureistic
city-scape, showing close ups of dirty, grimy, unhappy and miserable=20
people towing cars and what not, then scales away to the happier
countryside showing a woman eagerly smiling at the computer.  of course
the music played in the first half, then changies to some poppier melody)


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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 19:42:52 -0600
From: Lebron (diegoh@GIGA.COM)
Subject: Re: HEIDI BERRY/ANNE CLARKE


Hola Luisa!
Eres de las pocas de habla hispana en la lista... felicidades!
Aqui van tus respuestas:

>Is there a FAQ somewhere?



>Which one is Heidi Berry's best album. some reviews would be appreciated.
>or some pointers to where I can read stuff about her... she's got an
>amazing voice..
>

4AD ha sacado 3 discos de HB: Love, Heidi Berry y Miracle. Los 2 primeros
son muy similares en su sonido, orientandose al 'folk'; ambos son buenos. El
tercero, Miracle es el mejor de los 3! En el,  Berry utiliza mas su voz en
una manera m=E1 energica y la musica es simplemente excelente. Si tienes que
empezar, en mi gusto el 3ro es el mejor, luego Love y despues Heidi Berry.

>Does anyone know of a "singer" called Anne Clarke? She has these really
>awesome
>poems that she kind of mumbles over some really great music. Does anyone
>like her?

No, no la conozco... te la debo.

>oh and one more question..
>
>Are The Amps' songs all so short as Tipp City (can't remember if this is=
 the
>correct name..i've seen the video once) ??

La verdad no me interesa la musica de Amps, por lo cual no te contesto esta
tambien... sorry!


Espero que esto te sirva de algo. Saludos!

Pepe Garcia Camil
*************************************************
'Just give me an easy life and a peaceful death.'
                               The Sundays
*************************************************

Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 03:08:51 -0800
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: ANNE CLARKE

A34313

Luisa Fernanda Ni=F1o Maldonado wrote:

> Does anyone know of a "singer" called Anne Clarke?

I like her album "Hope Road" on Virgin.  The title song refers to a
meeting place Anne was supposed to meet up with a guy who stood her up.
She's like Stina or Virginia in terms of a very unique style that is
worth the search to discover.

Heep Spengler
Blasterbee, Ruinsulk
LASOOGE


Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 17:45:56 -0500
From: John Roseborough (jrose@CS.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: Re: HEIDI BERRY/ANNE CLARKE


>Hello
>
>I'm completely new to this list and  this is my first post,I have three
>
>Is there a FAQ somewhere?

Yes. http://www.milhoan.com/music/4AD_FAQ.html

>Which one is Heidi Berry's best album. some reviews would be appreciated.
>or some pointers to where I can read stuff about her... she's got an
>amazing voice..

I don't own any of her albums, so I can't comment here. I don't care for her=
 track on "AVAM"... that's the only Heidi Berry I've heard, unless she has a=
 track on 13 Yr. Itch too.

>Does anyone know of a "singer" called Anne Clarke? She has these really
>awesome poems that she kind of mumbles over some really great music. Does=
=20
> anyone like her?

Yes, I adore her. I just have the album "an ordinary life". "sleeper in=
 metropolis" is the best track on this one. the rest of this album can best=
 be described as minimalist electronica + melodramatic female spoken voice.=
 her other stuff was (about 5 yrs ago) hard to find since it was import=
 only, and very expensive. has she released anything lately?

John

>oh and one more question..
>
>Are The Amps' songs all so short as Tipp City (can't remember if this is th=
e
>correct name..i've seen the video once) ??
>
>thanks
>
>Luisa


_________________________________________________________________
                                  j o h n   r o s e b o r o u g h



Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 22:18:06 +-200
From: EITAN SHAVIT (eitan@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: DCD's percussionist - Peter Ulrich


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  A quesion to the list:

Going through my records the other day, I found a 12" of Peter Ulrich who played
percussions on DCD's "within the realm..."
This 12" is called "Taqaharu's Leaving", and was released on Corner Stone Record
 in 1990.
It contains two tracks - the title track and another one called "Evocation".
The music is very much alike DCD, and Ulrich thanks Brendan & Lisa for inspirati
n and help.

Does anyone have any idea if this 12" came to a full length album, and is it ava
lable these days ?

                                                 Enlighten me !!!!!

Eitan.

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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 11:04:31 EST
From: "Steven Hipkiss." (sah577@VMS1.BHAM.AC.UK)
Subject: Donnelly and Deal.


  Tanya Donnelly is in Britain this month to showcase her new material.
She is playing Manchester Hop and Grape on the 20th and London Dingwalls
the next day. Obviously only going for small gigs to start with as the
Hop and Grape is the smallest of Manchester University's venues.

  Seems unlikely she will chart as the EP is released on low price CD
and a limited edition, double 7" single.

  Her new band certainly seems interesting. Dean Fisher (bass), Lisa
Mednick (keyboards)(both from Juliana Hatfield), Mary Larson and Billy
Cote (both guitar and from Madder Rose) and Stacy Jones (drums, from
Letters to Cleo, Fuzzy and Aimee Mann)

  This raises a query from me. Have Madder Rose split, if so when did it
happen cos I must have missed the news?

  Gail Greenwood has now joined L7 and Tom Gorman is working on his own
material.

  Kelley Deal 6000 are also in Britain with a short tour to promote
their new single "Canyon". The tour is from November 20-24th and takes
in Bristol, Manchester, Glasgow, Sheffield and London. Again relatively
small gigs.. The title song on the single is backed with "Get the writing
(off my back)", a dance remix of "Trixie Delicious" and a cover of Willie
Nelson's "Angel" featuring Kris Kristofferson.

  Scheer are playing in London LA2 on the 15th giving away a free CD to the
first 500. It will contain "First contact(demo version)" and "(Green room)
Sex kitten".

  Snowpony also release their debut single on See No Evil."Easy way down"
also contains "Golden Carriage" and "Hank Williams' Ass". They also have
the "The Little Girls Understand EP" released by the Rough Trade Singles
Club on Dec 2nd.

  All information courtesy of Melody Maker.

Steve.
s.a.hipkiss@bham.ac.uk


Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 11:51:29 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Stina Nordenstam - Dynamite


So -- the most eagerly awaited album (ever!) has arrived.  And it's
not at all what we expected, is it?

Now, Stina's first album was (I've been told) a Ricky Lee Jones-ish
affair that didn't really make much waves.  Her second album, though,
was a minor masterpiece, that will live on and continue to delight
people for millenias to come.  (At least.)  It's a jazzy, fiercely
original and intimate release that astounded me when I first heard it,
and I just like it more and more as time goes by.

For the new album she has discovered the electric guitar.  Some of the
reviews of this album have made it sound like she's made a heavy metal
album or something, but it's as far from that as it's possible to
come.  It's more characterized by its prominent silences than by its
harsh sounds.

I am reminded, in a way, by "4 Track Demos" by PJ Harvey -- the guitar
noises seem to hover in mid-air, not making contact with anything
else.  I'm also reminded of the original version of "Frontier" by Dead
Can Dance (found on the Lonely is an Eyesore album).  Not to
coincidentally, both these were demo recordings, which is what this
album sounds like.  There are plenty of "mistakes" -- things
definitely does not sound "produced".  (Reading the liner notes, I see
that most of the songs have "Recorded at my flat", "recorded at Umeaa
church" and so on.)  Furthermore, Stina plays the guitars herself and
has produced the album herself, so it's pretty much a one woman show.

However, it's not all just electric guitar and vocals.  Here and
there, you have lush strings and flute and stuff.  You also have a
very ratty-sounding (and I mean that in the best possible way) drums
that are quite prominent.

All over, though, it has many pauses.  Typically you have Stina
playing her guitar, and then trailing off into silence, and then
starting again.

So.  Is it any good?  I think I think it's bloody brilliant.  However,
it may not be everybody's cup of tea, and if you are waiting for
"...and she closed her eyes (pt ii)", you will be disappointed.
Listen before buying, is my recommandation.  (Easier said than done, I
guess, if you have to buy it from a mail order service.  Will this
album even be released in the US?  The commercial potential is nil, so
I would understand it if no US record company feels the calling to
release it.)

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen


Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 16:28:03 -0000
From: "Whittaker David (Exchange)" (WhittakerD@LOGICA.COM)
Subject: Re: stina nordenstam


Steven Olney wrote:
>
>
>both people so far have said that dynamite is a good album, i disagree.
>I was really excited that she had done a new album having fallen
>completely for the other two, but 'dynamite' was just a complete let
>down, there is absolutely none of that plain little acoustic sound which
>we know and love, instead she has opted for a completely wierd
>industrial type backing and completely unmelodic tunes. I know i cant
>convince anyone  who has heard 'little star' that there is bad SN songs
>in existence but really, there is 10 of 'em here.

Isn't she allowed to change, move on, progress, reinvent herself?

David
>


Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 12:49:40 EST
From: LGC2C@DMT03.MCC.VIRGINIA.EDU
Subject: Good luck charm...

              

just when you thought it was safe to get back in the water...
PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE

(I'M TRYING THIS FOR THE UMTEENTH TIME...)

JEEZ.  GAY

Gay Church
University of Virginia, Health Sciences Center
lgc2c@virginia.mcc.edu
804-924-2930


Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 22:44:42 +0000
From: Emma Wilson (efw1000@HERMES.CAM.AC.UK)
Subject: Heidi Berry


Dear all,
         Does anyone out there have a contact address/ any information
on the wondeful Heidi Berry. I saw her in concert in Camden last week
and was stunned....would like any information at all.....

Jo


Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 11:31:51 CST6DST
From: PEREZ GUTIERREZ JORGE HUMBERTO (AR24051@LHP.GDL.ITESO.MX)
Subject: DAVID LOVERING


   I heard the other day that David Lovering ( Pixies) will be
playing drums on the new Tanya Donelly album, is that true?
Also, i am starting my 4ad collection, and will be great if someone
tell me which are the best eps/cd singles on 4ad.





                                                       Thak you
                                                       JORGE


Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 13:26:13 -0500
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: live noise: princess dragon-mom


for those hardcore noise fans:
princess dragon-mom (detroit)
7000 dying rats (detroit)
and two other bands i cant remember
are  playing at the 31G this saturday
nov.9.

31G is just down the block from bells brewery
if you want times and prices and are interested
just mail me... (and tell me if youll be there i might go)

                ---> [spiral]
                99lear@lab.cc.wmich.edu

Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 11:22:14 +1100
From: Matthew Kirkcaldie (matthewk@POSTOFFICE.UTAS.EDU.AU)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 5 Nov 1996 to 6 Nov 1996


>Phillipa Nihill, (ex Underground Lovers) has an ep out - "Dear Sad" (Rubber
>Records, Mainstream Recordings).  Sounds like it has about six tracks on it,
>(including  a cover version of the Bee Gees "Islands in the Stream"!).  The
>reviewer was happy with the sound, but a little disappointed with the
>songwriting.  I'll let you know what I think when I buy it.

The EP is "Dead Sad", and the advance I heard of it was really good, I
thought.  "Islands in the Stream" is probably the weakest thing on it.  I'd
had a couple of drinks before I heard it, though ... !

                        Matthew.


Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 12:35:17 +1000
From: KRATHYN WHITE (ka.white@STUDENT.QUT.EDU.AU)
Subject: lovesliescrushing


Hello one and all. Just a brief cry for help. I can't find a copy of
bloweyelashwish by llc anywhere in Australia. Would anyone happen to know
where I could get it through mail order?? Thank you. Bye.