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Subject: Re: Lisa Gerrard music in cop'n'killer movie
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 23:09:08 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Lisa Gerrard music in cop'n'killer movie
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 00:24:46 -0500
From: John (wizard@BGA.COM)
Subject: Re: Lisa Gerrard music in cop'n'killer movie
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 23:45:27 -0500
From: "David A. Golden" (dagolden@MINDSPRING.COM)
Subject: Re: the 500 mark
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 04:21:30 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: the 500 mark
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 00:07:21 +0000
From: Leo KEITH (LKEITH@HALLS1.CC.MONASH.EDU.AU)
Subject: Re: Lisa Gerrard music in cop'n'killer movie
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 14:49:53 PST
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 25 Oct 1996 to 26 Oct 1996
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 13:35:35 +0000
From: Stuart Adamson (stuart.adamson@KEBLE.OXFORD.AC.UK)
Subject: fakers vs. fretwankers
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 22:22:42 -0500
From: jacques the monkey (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 26 Oct 1996 to 27 Oct 1996
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 16:14:37 +0000
From: Stuart Adamson (stuart.adamson@KEBLE.OXFORD.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Pale Saints.... need info
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 13:52:23 -0500
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lisa Gerrard music in cop'n'killer movie
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 11:54:24 +0600
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: fakers vs. fretwankers
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 14:41:10 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: the 500 mark
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 06:21:59 +0000
From: Leo KEITH (LKEITH@HALLS1.CC.MONASH.EDU.AU)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 25 Oct 1996 to 26 Oct 1996
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 01:43:00 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: Lisa Gerrard music in cop'n'killer movie
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 01:42:36 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Barging into the Presence of God
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 14:06:39 +1300
From: Robin Fargher (robinf@DEV.WHOLESALE.NBNZ.CO.NZ)

Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 23:09:08 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Lisa Gerrard music in cop'n'killer movie


In a message dated 96-11-02 21:34:24 EST, you write:

<< yesterday a friend of mine was watching a video cassette with a movie
which
 title in italian is "La sfida", the original title should have been "Hot
 rage" or fear or something.  to cut it short: Al Pacino is the good but
 controversial super-cop and Robert De Niro is the evil but reliable bad guy
 and they spent the time chasing each other.
  >>
Yeah, the music is Heat and Lisa Gerrard actually has two songs on it.


Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 00:24:46 -0500
From: John (wizard@BGA.COM)
Subject: Re: Lisa Gerrard music in cop'n'killer movie


And so quoth Aaron Hill at 11.09 PM 11.02.96:
><< yesterday a friend of mine was watching a video cassette with a movie
>which
> title in italian is "La sfida", the original title should have been "Hot
> rage" or fear or something.  to cut it short: Al Pacino is the good but
> controversial super-cop and Robert De Niro is the evil but reliable bad guy
> and they spent the time chasing each other.
>  >>
>Yeah, the music is Heat and Lisa Gerrard actually has two songs on it.
>
and Michael Brook, god of oceanic guitar, has at least one song on it.

I hadn't noticed the Gerrard songs because though I have the album and I
like it, I havn't played it ver much.


Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 23:45:27 -0500
From: "David A. Golden" (dagolden@MINDSPRING.COM)
Subject: Re: Lisa Gerrard music in cop'n'killer movie


At 02:18 AM 11/3/96 +0100, lbo wrote:
>yesterday a friend of mine was watching a video cassette with a movie which
>title in italian is "La sfida", the original title should have been "Hot
>rage" or fear or something.  to cut it short: Al Pacino is the good but
>controversial super-cop and Robert De Niro is the evil but reliable bad guy
>and they spent the time chasing each other.

The English release title is simply "Heat".  Pacino, De Niro, Kilmer. 

>anyway it was astonishing.  I hate tv and movies so I'm not up to date, but
>is this a new trend to do the music track of a movie?

Perhaps.  I don't think it's that unusual for rock music in general to be
used in movies -- but maybe it is for "thislisty" stuff.  (Hmmm.  Using that
word for the first time didn't hurt as much as I thought it would.)

Has anyone else noticed a trend?  The movie "Jade" has Loreena McKennitt's
"The Mystic's Dream" in the soundtrack.

-Dave G

-------- dagolden@mindspring.com ----- David A. Golden ---------
treating your days like a countdown seconds pass by waiting just
to blow up and you get nothing done and this is what you want


Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 04:21:30 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: the 500 mark


In a message dated 96-11-01 01:56:08 EST, you write:

<< Anyone agree that we ought to have an increased focus here on the
"ethereal"
 sort of music that isn't talked about much on pure-impure?  After all 4AD
did
 pioneer the sound and we might have a critical mass of DCD, CT, HNIA, This
 Mortal Coil fans here.  There's plenty of new music in this vein that
deserves a
 place here but seems to not quite fit in on the pure/impure list:  Love is
 Colder than Death, Love Spirals Downwards, Rosewater Elizabeth, Velour, Bel
 Canto, Hector Zazou, etc.
  >>
I disagree.
To suggest that this becomes an increased focus is to decrease the strength
of 4ad's quality all around.  I am a BIG fan of the etherial stuff in and and
out of 4ad, but I love the non-etherial stuff.  For example, I think Lisa
Germano, Heidi Berry, Belly, etc. are as great and I want to know about
similar sounding bands and other information.  Tarnation is to me is one of
the greatest 4ad bands ever, up there with CT and DCD, and I want to hear
about bands that may sound similar.  So lets talk about everything.  If I
don't want to read something, I have a delete button.

E. A.


Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 00:07:21 +0000
From: Leo KEITH (LKEITH@HALLS1.CC.MONASH.EDU.AU)
Subject: Re: the 500 mark


A load of boring tripe from an ignorant sod!
=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Some thoughtful and well educated chap wrote:
> Anyone agree that we ought to have an increased focus here on the
> "ethereal" sort of music that isn't talked about much on pure-
> impure?  After all 4AD did pioneer the sound and we might have a
> critical mass of DCD, CT, HNIA, This Mortal Coil fans here.  There's
> plenty of new music in this vein that deserves a place here but
> seems to not quite fit in on the pure/impure list:  Love is Colder
> than Death, Love Spirals Downwards, Rosewater Elizabeth, Velour, Bel
> Canto, Hector Zazou, etc.

Some boring sod replies:
I would very much appreciate that. I don't expect that my opinion
will carry much weight among fans of 4AD's modern artists however I
joined this list primarily out of interest in the aforementioned
bands and I am sure there are others out there who still take
bands like This Mortal Coil, Dead Can Dance and Cocteau Twins to
epitomise 4AD. I speak from a position of relative ignorance but
I would consider many of 4AD's modern artists not fit to lick the
bottoms of those bands connected to the likes of early 4AD by merit of
their ethereal nature (Eden/ Love Spirals Downwards/ My Bloody
Valentine/ Slowdive/ Miranda Sex Garden). At the very least I
would gratefully accept the addresses of any known lists in this vein
(does anyone know the wherabouts of the Projekt mailing list?).

May I also ask... what is pure/impure? Some radical group of
revolutionaries who fought against the odds to violently seceeded from
4AD-L and bring justice and peace into their lives once more? Sounds
exciting!

Thank you very much!

un-noticed if all you lovely individuals were not so loose with your
band name abbreviations. Forgive me if I seem to be prematurely
anticipating a positive response to this request but thank you in
advance.

Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 14:49:53 PST
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: Re: Lisa Gerrard music in cop'n'killer movie


>Perhaps.  I don't think it's that unusual for rock music in general to
>be used in movies --

the credit for the first movie to have a soundtrack based on rock music
goes for wim wenders' "wings of desire" . ?1990?
(this is not a personal opinion, just a fact I read somewhere..)

-naor-
"a few good jokes lost in a sea of obscenity and boredom"
    (an eloquent definition of life taken, completely out of context,
     from the movie review section.)


Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 13:35:35 +0000
From: Stuart Adamson (stuart.adamson@KEBLE.OXFORD.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 25 Oct 1996 to 26 Oct 1996


This is unsolicited email.
I did not ask for you to include me on your mailing list and niether do I
wish to be a recipitant of your course and volgar language. I sugest that
you keep your silly ideas to your own side and the Atlantic and leave me
out of them.

If you could tell me who gave you my email address, I will deal with them
in a similar way!

On Sun, 27 Oct 1996, Automatic digest processor wrote:

> There are 16 messages totalling 556 lines in this issue.
>
> Topics of the day:
>
>   1. apology?  maybe, maybe not (3)
>   2. greeting (2)
>   3. we wanna lilt and sway all night and cry and write poetry every day
>   4. Music For Vampires: A Delicate Dependency (2)
>   5. apology? maybe, maybe not
>   6. [Fwd: THE CHANGELINGS upcoming..]
>   7. Un-subcribe me, please (2)
>   8. The Moon Seven Times (2)
>   9. nature of the troll (was: NOT an apology)
>  10. Yankees Win!!!
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sat, 26 Oct 1996 01:55:02 -0400
> From:    Music Man 
> Subject: apology?  maybe, maybe not
>
> it's apparent that this list seems to have a few close-minded people on
> this list.  i get raked over the coals for asking one simple little
> innocent question which seems to me offended a few people (boo hoo).
>
> mr. forsla, isn't this probably pissing you off because i'm not using the
> shift key.  if it is, oh well, you'll get over it.
>
> cz, you called me a troll for asking this question; "are there any kiss
> fans out there?"  i got on this list and asked that question as soon as
> i was accepted.  i was just trying to make conversation.  i can't believe
> anyone would cry over something like this so that's why i'm responding
> to your little antics.
>
> it's obvious that anyone who would wine about this doesn't have an open
> mind towards other types of music.  i'm so sorry about that disability.
>
> for those who stood by my side (you know who you are), thanks alot.  for
> the ones who were pissed off (like i really give a shit).  you can KISS
> MY FUCKING ASS.
>
>
> KEITH "DA MUSIC MAN" B.
>
> p.s.
>
>    i'm anxious to hear what you cry babies have to say now so i'm not
> going to signoff.  that's what you really want me to do, but hey, you're
> not gonna get your way with me.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sat, 26 Oct 1996 13:45:34 +0200
> From:    Frank Brinkhuis 
> Subject: Re: greeting
>
> Jeff wrote:
>
> >Hey Music Man, I wouldn't worry about talking about Kiss on this list.
> >There are so many Kiss references in 4AD-land that it's OK by me if you
> >wanna mention them here.  Red House Painters doing "Shock Me" or Warren
> >and the His Name Is Alive crew playing gigs dressed up as Kiss, etc,
> >etc.
>
> ... Mark Robinson (Unrest/Air Miami) was, and maybe still is a Kiss fan.
> There is a picture of a Kiss album boldly displayed next to the first Unrest
> 7" and LP, on the back cover of the 'Malcolm X Park' LP. (and what about
> Alice Cooper? Time Stereo, the HNIA-related cassette label did a great
> Cooper tribute cassette.)
>
> What about a 4AD Kiss tribute album? (it's a pity the Cocteau Twins are no
> longer on 4AD...)
>
> Frank
> +++++++++++++++
> Frank Brinkhuis
> frankbri@pi.net
> +++++++++++++++
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sat, 26 Oct 1996 08:43:06 -0500
> From:    hk kahng 
> Subject: Re: greeting
>
> Frank Brinkhuis wrote:
> > What about a 4AD Kiss tribute album? (it's a pity the Cocteau Twins are no
> > longer on 4AD...)
>
> Funny you mention that, Frank.  About five or six years ago, some
> friends and I (in the midst of some truly inspired boredom) thought it'd
> be great to have a double-CD compilation of 4AD bands covering SubPop
> bands and vice versa.  Just try to imagine the Cocteaux covering
> Mudhoney's "Touch Me I'm Sick"....
>
> Okay, we had nothing better to do at the time, and it _was_ pretty
> freaking late....  :)
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> hk
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sat, 26 Oct 1996 10:22:11 -0400
> From:    Chunkymutt@AOL.COM
> Subject: we wanna lilt and sway all night and cry and write poetry every day
>
> In a message dated 96-10-26 03:16:32 EDT, you write:
>
> << Let me explain it to you then...  this mailing list is for and about 4AD
>  records and the artists whose records 4AD publishes.  Kiss is not, was
>  not, and never will be a member of those artists.  So all you blathering
>  about being the biggest Kiss fan unable to use the shift key in VA is
>  completely out of place here.  In short, know what you're subscribing to
>  before you open you big fat keyboard/mouth next time.  Have you left
>  yet?? >>
>
> i guess the kissfan in va has ruffled the gauze.  sir, you don't know ire
> till
> you have upset the the 4ad list.  run, hide, for you will be sought. and if
> you are found, may god have pity on your soul for you will be flogged in a
> public square by a big mean dead can dance roadie, then splashed with the
> stinging pearly dewdrops.  i'll pray for you.  oh, and lest i forget KISS
> KISS KISS
> KISS KISS KISS KISS KISS KISS KISS KISS KISS KISS KISS KISS KISS.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sat, 26 Oct 1996 11:39:48 -0400
> From:    j*mes t*ylor 
> Subject: Re: apology?  maybe, maybe not
>
> I couldn;t care less about any of this, but my question is, do you have to
> use the list for arguing?
>
> lllll;jt
>
> > it's apparent that this list seems to have a few close-minded people on
> > this list.  i get raked over the coals for asking one simple little
> > innocent question which seems to me offended a few people (boo hoo).
> >
> > mr. forsla, isn't this probably pissing you off because i'm not using the
> > shift key.  if it is, oh well, you'll get over it.
> >
> > cz, you called me a troll for asking this question; "are there any kiss
> > fans out there?"  i got on this list and asked that question as soon as
> > i was accepted.  i was just trying to make conversation.  i can't believe
> > anyone would cry over something like this so that's why i'm responding
> > to your little antics.
> >
> > it's obvious that anyone who would wine about this doesn't have an open
> > mind towards other types of music.  i'm so sorry about that disability.
> >
> > for those who stood by my side (you know who you are), thanks alot.  for
> > the ones who were pissed off (like i really give a shit).  you can KISS
> > MY FUCKING ASS.
> >
> >
> > KEITH "DA MUSIC MAN" B.
> >
> > p.s.
> >
> >    i'm anxious to hear what you cry babies have to say now so i'm not
> > going to signoff.  that's what you really want me to do, but hey, you're
> > not gonna get your way with me.
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sat, 26 Oct 1996 12:10:03 +0000
> From:    Tan Thong Yang 
> Subject: Music For Vampires: A Delicate Dependency
>
> I'm very keen to get a hold of this compilation. But I don't think it'll
> make it's way to Singapore, where I'm from.
>
> Know of any mail order houses I can place an order, or any kind soul out
> there willing to help out a fellow listie by flying it over to me?
>
> Any suggestions will be much appreciated.
>
> -tytan-
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sat, 26 Oct 1996 14:04:28 -0500
> From:    Steven Venn 
> Subject: Re: Music For Vampires: A Delicate Dependency
>
> >I'm very keen to get a hold of this compilation. But I don't think it'll
> >make it's way to Singapore, where I'm from.
> >
> >Know of any mail order houses I can place an order, or any kind soul out
> >there willing to help out a fellow listie by flying it over to me?
> >
> >Any suggestions will be much appreciated.
> >
> >-tytan-
>
> Re: Music For Vampires: A Delicate Dependency
>
> You can email these guys to find out where the
> closest location of Polygram is in Singapore or
> in your geographic area. As far as I know the compilation
> is only available as yet in Canada, but that might have
> changed since I read the article on this release.
>
> ######## PolyGram Group Canada ##################
> For more information contact:
> Mercury/Polydor - Gerald Vogel (vogel@polygram.ca)
> New Releases - Jim Carruthers (polygram@polygram.ca)
> A&M-Island-Motown - Promotion & Publicity (ampp@polygram.ca)
>
>
> Hope this helps.
> Steve
>
> ***********************************************************
> You wanna see me? Know about me?
> Look on this web page under Stevenn:
> http://www.rust.net/~aarin/centperk/reg_gifs.html
>
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> 139 Golfclub Court, Richmond Hill,
> Ontario, CANADA L4C 5E1
>
> (905) 884-2601
> email: svenn@inforamp.net
>
> "Listen pal, you can't just waltz in here, use my toaster
>  and start spouting universal truths without qualification!"
>                   -Jude from Hal Hartley's  "Surviving Desire"
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sat, 26 Oct 1996 11:43:11 -0700
> From:    Sarah Ahern 
> Subject: Re: apology?  maybe, maybe not
>
> At 11:39 AM 10/26/96 -0400, you wrote:
> >I couldn;t care less about any of this, but my question is, do you have to
> >use the list for arguing?
> >
> >lllll;jt
> >
> >> it's apparent that this list seems to have a few close-minded people on
> >> this list.  i get raked over the coals for asking one simple little
> >> innocent question which seems to me offended a few people (boo hoo).
> >>
> >> mr. forsla, isn't this probably pissing you off because i'm not using the
> >> shift key.  if it is, oh well, you'll get over it.
> >>
> >> cz, you called me a troll for asking this question; "are there any kiss
> >> fans out there?"  i got on this list and asked that question as soon as
> >> i was accepted.  i was just trying to make conversation.  i can't believe
> >> anyone would cry over something like this so that's why i'm responding
> >> to your little antics.
> >>
> >> it's obvious that anyone who would wine about this doesn't have an open
> >> mind towards other types of music.  i'm so sorry about that disability.
> >>
> >> for those who stood by my side (you know who you are), thanks alot.  for
> >> the ones who were pissed off (like i really give a shit).  you can KISS
> >> MY FUCKING ASS.
> >>
> >>
> >> KEITH "DA MUSIC MAN" B.
> >>
> >> p.s.
> >>
> >>    i'm anxious to hear what you cry babies have to say now so i'm not
> >> going to signoff.  that's what you really want me to do, but hey, you're
> >> not gonna get your way with me.
> >>
> >
> > this is my sisters mailing list, i just have a question, what the hell is
> 4ad and who are you?
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sat, 26 Oct 1996 14:12:59 -0500
> From:    Andrew Stephen Barg 
> Subject: Re: apology? maybe, maybe not
>
> On Sat, 26 Oct 1996, Music Man wrote:
>
> > it's apparent that this list seems to have a few close-minded people on
> > this list.  i get raked over the coals for asking one simple little
> > innocent question which seems to me offended a few people (boo hoo).
>
> I think the reason for the angry responses can be explained as follows:
> Many people on this list, because they spend a great deal of time,
> effort, money, etc. on their music, consider themselves to be a sort of
> elite.  They feel, with some justification, that their explorations of
> music over the years have given them some insights into what separates
> good music from bad, and perhaps a glimpse at the vague barrier between
> music that is good and music that is _great_.  Or whatever.  If you
> joined an English lit. list and posted a message, "I am the biggest
> Steven King fan in the world I love all his stuff he is the world's
> greatest writer, what do you guys think about hit???" you might pick up
> some nasty responses there too, and people probably wouldn't be much
> interested in what you had to say after that.
>
> I am not sure that the above analogy is entirely accurate -- the kind of
> music on here is very new, and the forms are not as clearly understood
> and the centuries-old literary traditions in our language -- but the
> point is that many people see things in those terms.  Thus, you get
> flamed.  If you want to talk about kiss in a room full of 4ad fans, you
> should probably get used to it.
>
> Andrew
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sat, 26 Oct 1996 15:48:40 -0400
> From:    Eukariah 
> Subject: [Fwd: THE CHANGELINGS upcoming..]
>
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> "There is no difference between the quick and the dead.
>  They are one channel of vitality."  Lao Tse 600 BC
>
> :::::::::::::::::::::
> :  The CHANGELINGS  :
> :::::::::::::::::::::
>
>    H A L L O W E E N ! !
>    Thursday,  October 31st  at
>    MJQ (under Ponce Hotel)
>    551 Ponce De Leon 404-724-9096
>    Midnight?
>
>    Friday, November 1st
>    D A Y   o f   t h e   D E A D   FESTIVAL  at
>    Christine Sibley's Urban Nirvana
>    (Waddell & DeKalb Ave) 404-688-3229
>    7:00 - 9:00  (Changelings at 7:30)
>    Sponsored by the Mexican Consulate
>    *Among the festivities this eve will be a special DOD art
>    exhibit & an authentic Mexican Skeleton Dance.
> Better directions & descriptions to and about Urban Nirvana are on the
> website.  If you've never been check it out!  Its a great gallery w/secret
> garden, geese, goats, a ram & Peacocks.
>
> Also: A few members of the Changelings will make a somewhat spontaneous
> short acoustic set on Saturday, Oct. 26th at the
> Halloweeny Costume Party: Mattress Factory Studio 220
> It is a benefit for Artists in Residence & there will be a 10$? cover.
> 404-627-3501 / 770-734-0395
>
>     COSTUMES AT ALL EVENTS ARE ENCOURAGED!!
>
>
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>  **** ** *****
>    *********
>     * * * *
>     * * * *
>      *****
> When I die, my dear,
> Of my clay make a cup
> When you have thirst, from me drink.
> The clay which clings to your lips
> Is a kiss from your lover.
> (Anon.,19th Century)
>
> ORIGIN
>
> Over the dead body of a woman I am growing,
> on her bones my roots are coiled
> and from her disfigured heart
> emerges a hard, vertical stalk
> >From the coffin of an unborn child;
> from its stomach shattered before the harvest
> I rise up, tenacious, definitive,
> brutal as a gravestone and on occasion sad
> with the stony weariness of a funeral angel
> who hides a tearless visage beneath his hands.
>
> Rosario Castellanos (trans.)
>
> {Poems taken from The Mexican Day of the Dead -  pub. by Shambhala}
>
>
> The Changelings: http://www.mindspring.com/~obscura/changelings.html
>
> Rose, oh pure contradiction, desire
> to be no one's sleep under so many
> Lids.
> (Rilke)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sat, 26 Oct 1996 16:24:26 EDT
> From:    srchandler@JUNO.COM
> Subject: Re: Un-subcribe me, please
>
> Dear sender,
>         I want off of this mailing list in the worst possible way.  If
> for some reason you know how I might go about doing so, please let me
> know.
>         A thousand thank yous...Spot
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sat, 26 Oct 1996 23:38:20 +0200
> From:    Frank Brinkhuis 
> Subject: The Moon Seven Times
>
> >From the latest Parasol update:
>
> >Moon Seven Times  Pre-Burnt EP  PS, US
> >A demo & an exclusive track on red vinyl. A teaser for upcoming
> >full length!!  Parasol-025  45  3.00
>
> Is there anyone who knows when the album will be released?
>
> Frank
>
>
> +++++++++++++++
> Frank Brinkhuis
> frankbri@pi.net
> +++++++++++++++
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sat, 26 Oct 1996 19:19:53 +0600
> From:    cz 
> Subject: nature of the troll (was: NOT an apology)
>
> BARKSDALE_EK%DV@CORNING.COM said:
>
> >   cz, you called me a troll for asking this question; "are
> >   there any kiss fans out there?"  i got on this list and
> >   asked that question as soon as i was accepted.  i was
> >   just trying to make conversation.  i can't believe
> >   anyone would cry over something like this so that's why
> >   i'm responding to your little antics.
>
> May i note that your accusations of closed-mindedness and cry-babyosity are
> unfounded and your "kiss my fucking ass" apology is childish but i'll deal wit

> the real issue at hand.
>
> First off, you may not know what a "troll" is (see the definition below.
> Secondly, i will revise my assessment of you in this way:
>
> "You are *either* a troll or just too dense to realize that Kiss is to 4AD as
> apples are to oranges."
>
> There's no value judgement on which fruit is "better," but since we are all
> gathered here under the auspices of discussing the virtue of oranges you'd be
> wise to limit your discussion of apples or at least frame the discussion in
> terms of it's relavence to oranges.
>
> sorry to the rest of this list for draging you through this,
> cz
>
> from: http://www2.dictionary.com/dictionary/jargon/
>
> >   troll v.,n.
> >
> >   [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To utter a
> >   posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable
> >   responses or flames. Derives from the phrase "trolling
> >   for newbies" which in turn comes from mainstream
> >   "trolling", a style of fishing in which one trails bait
> >   through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The
> >   well-constructed troll is a post that induces lots of
> >   newbies and flamers to make themselves look even more
> >   clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to
> >   the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a
> >   deliberate troll. If you don't fall for the joke, you
> >   get to be in on it.
> >
> >   Some people claim that the troll is properly a narrower
> >   category than flame bait, that a troll is categorized by
> >   containing some assertion that is wrong but not overtly
> >   controversial.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sat, 26 Oct 1996 19:31:24 +0600
> From:    cz 
> Subject: Re: The Moon Seven Times
>
> >   Is there anyone who knows when the album will be
> >   released?
>
> The roadrunner site:  www.roadrun.com
> still lists *Sunburnt* (RR 8911) as being released "early next year."  Being o

> the snail-mailing list i got a promo cassette with three songs "Some of them
> Burn," "Nashville," and "Further."  They're okay (i haven't made up my mind
> yet).  They asked me if i wanted more cassettes and so i requested 3 more.  Wh
n
> those arrive i'd be happy to send one to any of you for the price of shipping.
>
> -cz
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sat, 26 Oct 1996 23:04:25 -0400
> From:    "(((((Handsome Devil)))))" 
> Subject: Yankees Win!!!
>
> excuse me to disturb, but...
>
>
>                         The New York Yankees
>                         Won The World Series!!!
>
> nwo back to the regular broadcast.  (my apologies for those who don't care)
>
> JHR
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sat, 26 Oct 1996 20:54:24 -0700
> From:    Sarah Ahern 
> Subject: Re: Un-subcribe me, please
>
> At 04:24 PM 10/26/96 EDT, you wrote:
> >Dear sender,
> >        I want off of this mailing list in the worst possible way.  If
> >for some reason you know how I might go about doing so, please let me
> >know.
> >        A thousand thank yous...Spot
>
>
>
> you know what? some guy got kicked off by e-mailing everyone bad word-bad
> mouthing e-mails, you might wanna give it a try.
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> End of 4AD-L Digest - 25 Oct 1996 to 26 Oct 1996
> ************************************************
>


Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 22:22:42 -0500
From: jacques the monkey (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: fakers vs. fretwankers


>>I have to express an opinion about the Breeders and the Paladins.  The
>>Breeders IMHO are one of the worst bands signed to major distribution.
>>They are unoriginal, out-of-tune and don't seem to have anything to
>>say.  Now, am I missing something or are Breeders fans under some
>>hypnotic spell because 4AD signed them?...
>
>>...But there is a distinction between 'musicians' and
>>people in bands that can hold up their instruments but not play them.
>>We used to call them poseurs and before that word, we just said
>>'fakes'.  What's the deal?  The Breeders and The Paladins are 'fakes'.

I suppose you only like "musician's musicians" - people who can play
anything and are so keen to impress people with their virtuosity that they
forget to come up with something with any honesty or emotion to it.

Too many notes, my dear Yngwie, too many notes.


Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 16:14:37 +0000
From: Stuart Adamson (stuart.adamson@KEBLE.OXFORD.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 26 Oct 1996 to 27 Oct 1996


As I said in my earlier email, I do not wish to be on your mailing list.
If you continue to pester me with your unsolicited mails then I will have
t consider legal action>

Stuart

On Mon, 28 Oct 1996, Automatic digest processor wrote:

> There are 28 messages totalling 797 lines in this issue.
>
> Topics of the day:
>
>   1. we wanna lilt and sway all night and cry and write poetry every day
>   2. nature of the troll (was: NOT an apology)
>   3. KISS my bum (Lush)  - Lababrador or something (3)
>   4. Breathless/Mercury Rev
>   5. : apology? maybe maybe not
>   6. A Delicate Dependency : Music for Vampires
>   7. Lababrador or something (2)
>   8. Breeders/Icelanders/REM
>   9. "Music For Vampires" web site
>  10. Breathless
>  11. David Jay, Music for Vampires trivia
>  12. * laBRADford ! ! !* re: Lababrador or something
>  13. the moon seven times
>  14. apology?  maybe, maybe not
>  15. Weddoes
>  16. Cocteau Twins site up?
>  17. Unsubscribe me!!!! (3)
>  18. Greeting (2)
>  19. Gene Simmons on 4AD!?
>  20. here I go again!
>  21. KISS my bum (Lush) - Lababrador or something
>  22. How to use this list
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 27 Oct 1996 00:15:58 -0400
> From:    Music Man 
> Subject: Re: we wanna lilt and sway all night and cry and write poetry every d
y
>
> << run, hide, for you will be sought.>>
>
> i'm not hard to find.  just come to va and look me up.
>
> da music man
>
> p.s.
>
>    i am interested in knowing about some of the bands on this label.
>
> hint, hint
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 27 Oct 1996 01:27:41 -0400
> From:    Music Man 
> Subject: Re: nature of the troll (was: NOT an apology)
>
> cz,
>
>    when you responded to my question about kiss you didn't have to rake me
> over the coals and request that i should get off this list.  i subscribed
> to this list to find out what was discussed.  all you had to say (which a
> few of the members did) was send a message letting me know that kiss isn't
> discussed on this list a nicer way than was originally sent.  that's what
> upset me most.
>
>     i'm not sorry for what i said because i caught hell from a few members.
> i am interested about finding out what bands are on this label.  maybe
> i've heard some of them, maybe not.  to let you know kiss is my favorite
> band but they're not what i listen to every day.
>
>
>     i happen to be a fan of some of the British bands (will not name any
> because i know i'll be raked over the coals again).  telling evryone that
> responded to my first message to "kiss my ass" wasn't childish considering
> that you and a few others started this mess.  i'm new to this list and i
> did not receive any info on what was discussed until after i asked the
> question.  most mailing lists that i'm on sends me some info on the list
> right after i subscribe.  maybe this list ought to do that also or is this
> the way you like to welcome new members?  this isn't a letter to get upset
> about because i've gotten over it.  i said what i had to say.  leave it at
> that.
>
>
> keith "da music man" b.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sat, 26 Oct 1996 23:03:30 -0700
> From:    "Scott, Mari & Brian" 
> Subject: KISS my bum (Lush)  - Lababrador or something
>
>     Speaking of Kiss, I saw a picture (Spooky era) of Miki Berenyi
> holding a picture of the band all done up in Kiss makeup and she was
> sticking out her tounge like Ted Nugent (Miki's got a long tounge, woah
> moma!). It was supposed to be their next single's cover  but I think it
> was a joke. Anymore info on Chris or the band?
>
>     I was in the record store the other day and they were playing a cd
> by a band/group called lababrador (or something like that) and It was
> very pretty/flowey. Anyone heard of them or any information on them?
> Definitly worth checking out if you have a few extra dollars.
>
> Anyone heard the new song by superdrag. They totally ripped that song
> off from My Bloody Valentine. Track five from Loveless to be exact.
> Talentless hack bastards!
>
> There was also on 120 minutes this band at the end of the show called
> Rollerskate Skinny. Stupid name but the song was amazing are they new?
>
>                                                 Brian
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 27 Oct 1996 01:27:02 -0600
> From:    Matthew T De Bellis 
> Subject: Re: KISS my bum (Lush)  - Lababrador or something
>
> Actually the band you're referring to is probably Labradford.  All i know
> is that they're on Kranky and probably sound like a kranky band.  I hear
> that their first album is pretty amazing, though....
>
> and all i know about Rollerskate Skinny is that they used to have Kevin
> Shields from MBV's Brother in it.  But he's not anymore i don't think.
>
>
> And does anyone on the list like Brainiac?  They are totally great/insane
> and they have an EP that was "decoded" (whatever that means----produced,
> maybe??) by Kim Deal.  Thought you all might like to know...
>
> Matt
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 27 Oct 1996 00:49:35 -0700
> From:    Brandon Capps 
> Subject: Re: Breathless/Mercury Rev
>
> **BREATH 1 Waterland/Second Heaven 7" single
> > BREATH 2 Ageless/A new chapter/Fallen dreams EP
> > BREATH 3 Two Days From Eden EP
> > BREATH 4 The Glass Bed Game LP
> > BREATH 5 Nailing Colours To The Wheel EP
> > BREATH 6 Three Times And Waving LP
> > BREATH CD7 Chasing Promises CD/LP
> > BREATH 8 I Never Know Where You Are EP
> > BREATH 9 Always/Flowers Die 12" EP and 7" single
> **BREATH 10 Between Happiness and Heartache LP/CD
> **BREATH 11 Over and Over  CDEP
> **BREATH 12 Don't Just Disappear CDEP
> **BREATH 13 Heartburst (best of) CD
> **BREATH 14 t.b.a.  CD (out soon...please)
>
> here's the 'complete' Breathless discography as far as i know.  they also
> had a couple of tracks that appeared on compilations ('All My Eye & Betty
> Martin' on the second Dr. Death / C'est La Mort comp and the radio edit of
> 'I Never Know Where You Are' on the Italian comp/magazine Sonora).  If
> anyone is interested in purchasing any Breathless titles, i carry the
> majority of them in IPR Mailorder's stock.  write me privately for
> details.   bcapps@primenet.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 27 Oct 1996 03:08:03 -0500
> From:    Jill Burkart 
> Subject: Re: KISS my bum (Lush)  - Lababrador or something
>
> On Sat, 26 Oct 1996, Scott, Mari & Brian wrote:
>
> > There was also on 120 minutes this band at the end of the show called
> > Rollerskate Skinny. Stupid name but the song was amazing are they new?
>
> Yeah, i almost blew them off totally because of that goofy name but it's
> from "Catcher in the Rye" I think.  Rollerskate Skinny was a character.
> Anyway, they're relatively new.  They're from Ireland and have a tie with
> My Bloody Valentine.  Apparently someone in the band has a brother who was
> in MBV.  I might be wrong about how that tie worked but I think that's
> it:).  Anyway, the whole album is excellent.  One of my favorites this
> year.
>
> Jill
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 27 Oct 1996 03:34:44 -0400
> From:    Music Man 
> Subject: Re: : apology? maybe maybe not
>
> <>
>
> i'm not hard to find.  just come to va and look me up.
>
> da music man
> p.s.
> i am interested in finding out what bands are on this label.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Mon, 28 Oct 1996 00:52:28 +1000
> From:    surtr 
> Subject: Re: A Delicate Dependency : Music for Vampires
>
> >I'm very keen to get a hold of this compilation. But I don't think it'll
> >make it's way to Singapore, where I'm from.
> >
> >Know of any mail order houses I can place an order, or any kind soul out
> >there willing to help out a fellow listie by flying it over to me?
> >
> >Any suggestions will be much appreciated.
> >
> >-tytan-
>
> >Re: Music For Vampires: A Delicate Dependency
>
> >You can email these guys to find out where the
> >closest location of Polygram is in Singapore or
> >in your geographic area. As far as I know the compilation
> >is only available as yet in Canada, but that might have
> >changed since I read the article on this release.
>
> >######## PolyGram Group Canada ##################
> >For more information contact:
> >Mercury/Polydor - Gerald Vogel (vogel@polygram.ca)
> >New Releases - Jim Carruthers (polygram@polygram.ca)
> >A&M-Island-Motown - Promotion & Publicity (ampp@polygram.ca)
>
>
> I've written to Polygram and then CD-Plus in Canada at the following
>
>  http://www.cd-plus.com/
>
> and you should be order to order the CD from them, crazy thing is it
> costs me about the same including postage as a CD here.
>
> -danny.
> --
> --------------------------------------------------------
>  "I walk between the raindrops"
>     - Tom Waits, 'Earth died screaming'
>
> surtr@healey.com.au  OR
>   n9443080@scholar.nepean.uws.edu.au
> http://www.healey.com.au/~surtr/
> --------------------------------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 27 Oct 1996 16:38:44 +0100
> From:    Frank Brinkhuis 
> Subject: Lababrador or something
>
> >>    I was in the record store the other day and they were playing a cd
> >>by a band/group called lababrador (or something like that) and It was
> >>very pretty/flowey. Anyone heard of them or any information on them?
> >
> >Actually the band you're referring to is probably Labradford.  All i know
> >is that they're on Kranky and probably sound like a kranky band.  I hear
> >that their first album is pretty amazing, though....
>
> 2 albums (and a new one out next week), 2 7"s, and a 10". All worth to spend
> your money on. Their first album, 'Prazizion LP' was the first Kranky
> release. That album, and Jessamine's first album on Kranky defined the
> Kranky sound, so saying they probably sound like a Kranky band is a very
> safe assumption!
>
> Frank
> +++++++++++++++
> Frank Brinkhuis
> frankbri@pi.net
> +++++++++++++++
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 27 Oct 1996 12:08:34 -0500
> From:    stereolad 
> Subject: Breeders/Icelanders/REM
>
> >As the safari ep was released in 1982, two years after pod
>
> I had no idea the Breeders had been around that long...
>
> >, and has
> >no repeat tracks associated with pod i'm not really sure where you
> >get that idea.  Aside from the fact that Tanya was still in the band
> >when this stuff was recorded I don't particularly see this version of
> >"do you love me now" as being particularly "Donneley-ized".  It is,
> >however, better than any of the other versions
>
> Where do the other versions appear?
>
> >>we'll you know what they say all Icelandic people look alike
> >
> >Well... I've been to Iceland twice these last two weeks (for about three
> >hours) and yes; the ladies who work for Icelandair all look the same.
>
> Well, that's just airlines for you - they want flight attendants that look
> like they actually come from the country in question. Actual non-airborne
> Icelanders all look quite different. Yes, some of them look very
> stereotypically Nordic, but then others don't look like that at all - just
> look at the Sugarcubes.
>
> >Speaking of REM, I heard that they signed an $80 MILLION dollar record deal.
> >Is this true?!?!
>
> Yes. This is no longer news.
>
> >They also said that this new album--new adventures in
> >hi-fi--or whatever has already dropped out the top 20 or something and that
> >the record company sees it as a major FLOP!  >
>
> Well, that's just tough for the record company, because the $80 million deal
> is for 5 albums, so they have to stick with REM for at least that long,
> unless they pull a Geffen and try to sue them for being deliberately
> uncommercial and unsellable.
>
> >Well if you ask me REM is
> >wayyyy past its prime...but that's just gossip now isn't it?
>
> I think we've all gotten accustomed to REM being around for such a long time
> that we might end up saying, "*Another* album? Why?"
>
>
> Larry
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:49:55 -0800
> From:    Jeff Keibel 
> Subject: "Music For Vampires" web site
>
> Here's the URL for the "Music For Vampires" web site.  There is ordering
> info contained within the site as well for those not in Canada who want
> to buy the compilation...
>
> http://www.polygram.ca/vampire/vampire.html
>
> Jeff Keibel
> Scarborough, ON
> CANADA
> redshift@interlog.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:05:58 -0800
> From:    Maximillian Medina 
> Subject: Re: Breathless
>
> >they also
> >had a couple of tracks that appeared on compilations ('All My Eye & Betty
> >Martin' on the second Dr. Death / C'est La Mort comp
>
> I believe this appeared on the *first* Dr. Death comp, which also featured
> an early version of Throwing Muses' "Fish."
>
> t h e   m y s t e r y   p a r a d e
> http://home.earthlink.net/~tmp/
> {ceci n'est pas une web site}
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:21:01 -0800
> From:    Maximillian Medina 
> Subject: David Jay, Music for Vampires trivia
>
> For those who haven't been to the MfV site, here's something interesting
> about the Rene Halkett/David Jay single released by 4AD a long time ago:
>
> "the haunting poem of Rene Halkett spoken in his own voice with David Jay's
> accompaniment. Halkett, born in 1900 was widely known as a painter, writer,
> lecturer and BBC broadcaster. The words on this record were recorded on a
> portable cassette recorder in the backroom of his cottage on the 28th of
> July 1980."
>
> t h e   m y s t e r y   p a r a d e
> http://home.earthlink.net/~tmp/
> {ceci n'est pas une web site}
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 27 Oct 1996 13:14:36 -0500
> From:    "[spiral]" <99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU>
> Subject: * laBRADford ! ! !* re: Lababrador or something
>
> On Sat, 26 Oct 1996, Scott, Mari & Brian wrote:
>
> >     I was in the record store the other day and they were playing a cd
> > by a band/group called lababrador (or something like that) and It was
> > very pretty/flowey.
>
> as yes. labradford. nice nice nice.
> (my knowledge is limited so please flame me, i love it)
>         -precizion lp (double vinyl.flyingnunn/kranky)
>         -a stable reference (kranky.lp)
>         -scenic recovery (single)
> they are a three piece with gui/vox, bass, keys...
>
> the first album is real laid back and sparse...
> more dynamic (in labradford terms) than aSR..
> singing is more in the spoken vein, but works well.
> no percussion.  i guess a good comparision is the spaces
> between rutti on pygmalion... only 5 minutes long...
> with some spacemen3 thrown in. arpeggios: low style.
> dirging bass. but still more upbeat.
>
> a stable reference is darker; strange noises in and out.
> more changes within songs... still no percussion.
> seems more sinister to me. there is singing but dont
> plan on hearing the words.. you can hear the vocals fine
> but you just cant hear the words. its strange.
>
> the scenic single is more shoegaze style. (if i may be so cliche)
> a little dabbling of percussion, chords this time.
> thick walls of sound. spoken word. great stuff.
>
> > Anyone heard of them or any information on them?
>
> their new album is out in two weeks. yum.
> (spiral and .mark. in unison: yum)
>
> > Definitly worth checking out if you have a few extra dollars.
>
> i agree.
>
>
>                 ---> [spiral]
>                 99lear@lab.cc.wmich.edu
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 27 Oct 1996 13:17:11 -0500
> From:    "[spiral]" <99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU>
> Subject: Re: Lababrador or something
>
> On Sun, 27 Oct 1996, Frank Brinkhuis wrote:
>
> > release. That album, and Jessamine's first album on Kranky defined the
> > Kranky sound, so saying they probably sound like a Kranky band is a very
> > safe assumption!
>
> ah ha! someone who has heard jassamines stuff.
> please elaborate.. using labradford as a starting
> point where do they fall..? line up? good stuff?
> i almost bought it, but thought i better get someones
> opinion. mind you it wont take much to convince me. :)
>
> thanks
>
>                 ---> [spiral]
>                 99lear@lab.cc.wmich.edu
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 27 Oct 1996 12:29:44 -0600
> From:    "...and the sky goes black" 
> Subject: the moon seven times
>
> thought id let people know since they seemed interested..
>
> the new moon seven times cd, "sunburnt" will be out sometime in
> january...the other day, lynn dropped off a cassette dub of the album at my
> roommates work...ive listened to it a few times, and i must say its good...a
> mix between 7=49 and the self-titled debut...some songs are very
> acoustically arranged, with little or no effects from henry, other songs
> sound as if they belong on the debut...very excellent, though im sure others
> will disagree.
>
> rainboy...thought i could be of help
> ____________________________________________________________________________
> ..but older than me now..more constant, more real..and the fur and the mouth
>  and the innocence turned to hair and contentment that hangs in abasement..
>          ..a woman now standing where once there was only a girl..
>                                  *the cure*
> ____________________________________________________________________________
>                        http://users.net66.com/~rainboy
> ____________________________________________________________________________
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:17:24 -0700
> From:    "BOYD, BRETTON" 
> Subject: Re: apology?  maybe, maybe not
>
> Hey Kevin Barksdale!
>
>         This is Gene Simmons.  You may have seen me in the hit movie
> "Tracers," hey, if not --nobody remembers Blackie Lawless in "Dungeon Master"
> either.  Anyhoo, I really dig your incursions into this list.  I mean,
> its like there simply isn't enough of the chauvanism of the 80's, you know
> not in the pejorative sense, but like the original sense of the word--like
> totally dedicated to your cause man.
>         So like what I'm trying to get at is like that state of naivete
> that kind of blissful simpleton ignoramous state.  I mean the Soviets
> were our enemies, we all just wanted to get laid and party, you know--
> like have a good time: live up the fantasia of the Reagan Era.  We lived
> by our credos like "Sex, Drugs and Rock-n-Roll," "Rock On," and philosophies
> like "If I just want it hard enough, it will like happen dude" or "Gnarly."
> So basically you see the outline of my point like the breasts of a Go-Go
> dancer for Motley Crue, right?   I mean things are much simpler than these
> fops and dandies of 4AD believe... I mean your "Da Music Man" its undisputed
> I mean like who needs a reality principle?  I mean why look any deeper than
> the cheese well of a snack-pack cracker.  Is there not great meaning in just
> believing in something without the shackles of justification and rational
> parle?
>         You know you're right.  And that means you can lay down the law man.
> Tell them that you're not gonna take it.  Just react constantly.
>
> Gene
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 27 Oct 1996 21:09:08 EST
> From:    "Steven Hipkiss." 
> Subject: Re: Weddoes
>
> BiZ wrote
> > down and bought...the new wedding present isn't too bad -- a bit dreamy in
> > spots, actually...um...basically, i've been buying/reviewing a lot of music
> > lately...someday soon i'll sit down and post a million reviews...
>
>   Don't know why but wasn't expecting to read about the Weddoes on this
> list. The new album is as good as anything they have recorded before,
> but still sounds out as an individual album. Excellent live last month
> as well, with the Delgados supporting. Unfortunatley they seem to be
> losing support and are now playing smaller venues, though that is no
> real bad thing.
>
> Steve.
> s.a.hipkiss@bham.ac.uk
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 27 Oct 1996 15:27:58 -0600
> From:    John Doe <950573@UTB1.UTB.EDU>
> Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins site up?
>
> maybe you got the URl wrong... it's: http"/www.cocteautwins.com/treasure
> perhaps you were missing the treasure part... ???
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 27 Oct 1996 15:47:47 EST
> From:    srchandler@JUNO.COM
> Subject: Re: Unsubscribe me!!!!
>
> I want the fuck off here you mother fuckers!!!!  You scary dark death
> dorks who have nothing better than to email stupid fuckin messages all
> day!!!  I have tried to unsubscribe through the manner which was
> described and it said it was successful but  the head guy over this must
> be as fuckin stupid and as full of shit as all the rest of you
> loosers!!!!
> Please do all yourselfs a fucking favor and get me off this fucking
> fucked up mailing list!!!!
> God damn all of you,
> Spot!!!!
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 27 Oct 1996 15:54:53 -0600
> From:    John Doe <950573@UTB1.UTB.EDU>
> Subject: Re: Greeting
>
> God you people are so fucking rude, not to mention unfair.  Not everyone on th
s list
> has to have the exact same fucking tastes in music as everyone else.  God you'
e stupid
> (not the open minded ones) I mean, for crying out loud... there was a whole fe
 weeks
> dedicated to talking about All-anus morisete... Puh-leeze.  This guy was just 
sking the
> list a simple question and you all decide to send rude messages.  Don't get me
wrong...
> I have had my share of rude messages but this is fucking ridiculous!!  Flaming
someone
> for their tastes in music is so fucking shallow.   Some people.
> I don't get off to Kiss, by the way.  I just hate it when people act this way 
owards
> and Individual just because that person has diverse tastes in music.  end.
> You didn't do anything wrong, Kiss fan, these people did.
>
> -Ariel.
>
> Kiss fan, welcome.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 27 Oct 1996 14:34:22 -0700
> From:    Jess Mangold 
> Subject: Gene Simmons on 4AD!?
>
> >Hey Kevin Barksdale!
> >
> >        This is Gene Simmons.  You may have seen me in the hit movie
> >"Tracers," hey, if not --nobody remembers Blackie Lawless in "Dungeon Master"
> >either.  Anyhoo, I really dig your incursions into this list.  I mean,
> >its like there simply isn't enough of the chauvanism of the 80's, you know
> >not in the pejorative sense, but like the original sense of the word--like
> >totally dedicated to your cause man...
> >
> >  I mean why look any deeper than the cheese well of a snack-pack cracker.
> Is there not great meaning in just believing in something without the
> shackles of justification and rational parle?
> >        You know you're right.  And that means you can lay down the law man.
> >Tell them that you're not gonna take it.  Just react constantly.
> >
> >Gene
> >
> >
>
>         Gene Simmons subscribed to the 4AD list? Wow, imagine my embarrassment

>
>         -"If you think you know what the hell's going on,
>           you're probably full of shit!"
>                                 -R.A.W.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 27 Oct 1996 14:38:04 -0800
> From:    Sarah Ahern 
> Subject: Re: Unsubscribe me!!!!
>
> At 03:47 PM 10/27/96 EST, you wrote:
> >I want the fuck off here you mother fuckers!!!!  You scary dark death
> >dorks who have nothing better than to email stupid fuckin messages all
> >day!!!  I have tried to unsubscribe through the manner which was
> >described and it said it was successful but  the head guy over this must
> >be as fuckin stupid and as full of shit as all the rest of you
> >loosers!!!!
> >Please do all yourselfs a fucking favor and get me off this fucking
> >fucked up mailing list!!!!
> >God damn all of you,
> >Spot!!!!
> >
> >temper temper
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 27 Oct 1996 17:54:47 EST
> From:    The Inmost Night 
> Subject: Re: Greeting
>
> > God you people are so fucking rude, not to mention unfair.  Not everyone on 
his list
> > has to have the exact same fucking tastes in music as everyone else.
>
> um, im sorry to interrupt here, but isnt the whole point of this list
> so that people with a common interest in *the same music* can discuss it?
>
> of course not everyone has the same taste in music, which is why this list
> exists... so those of us who do can have nice little discussions about it
> in a private place without bothering the general public...
>
> why would someone join this mailing list if they had never heard of 4ad?
> thats the impression im getting from 'the music man'...
> this all seems to be getting a little out of control.
>
> --robn
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 27 Oct 1996 16:10:52 -0700
> From:    Jess Mangold 
> Subject: Re: Unsubscribe me!!!!
>
> >I want the fuck off here you mother fuckers!!!!  You scary dark death
> >dorks who have nothing better than to email stupid fuckin messages all
> >day!!!  I have tried to unsubscribe through the manner which was
> >described and it said it was successful but  the head guy over this must
> >be as fuckin stupid and as full of shit as all the rest of you
> >loosers!!!!       
> >Please do all yourselfs a fucking favor and get me off this fucking
> >fucked up mailing list!!!!
> >God damn all of you,
> >Spot!!!!
> >
> >
> Dear Toe-Head:
>         Why did you subscribe in the first place? Please keep your offensive
> drivel off the bandwidth and out of my mailbox. It's not my or anyone else's
> fault that you can't figure out how to undo what you have done.
>                         Love and Kisses,
>                         Jess
> P.S. I object to your calling me and anyone else a "looser"
>      Looser than what?
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 27 Oct 1996 19:32:51 -0500
> From:    Roger Mrazek 
> Subject: here I go again!
>
> Sorry to post this again, but still wondering if anyone has or knows where I
> can purchase a copy of the Lush Superblast! u.s. promo cd.
>
> Please let me know.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rog
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 27 Oct 1996 19:05:15 -0800
> From:    nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
> Subject: Re: KISS my bum (Lush) - Lababrador or something
>
> > There was also on 120 minutes this band at the end of the show called
> > Rollerskate Skinny. Stupid name but the song was amazing are they new?
>
> What song? "Speed To My Side"?
> They're far from a new band, with two albums and two 10"
> out. They're most recent is my favorite album so far
> this year. Incredible!
>
> |    Dewdrops Records     | Splashed With Many A Speck |
> | 12515 Pacific Ave. #106 |   A Dewdrops Compilation   |
> |  Los Angeles, CA 90066  |        Winter 1997         |
> |   www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html   |
>
>       > Uncommon music that deserves to be heard <
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 27 Oct 1996 19:58:27 -0800
> From:    Dan Shubin 
> Subject: How to use this list
>
> Please save this message for future  reference, especially if you are
> not
> familiar with LISTSERV.  This might look like a waste  of disk space
> now,
> but in  6 months  you will be  glad you saved  this information  when
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> ------------------------------
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> End of 4AD-L Digest - 26 Oct 1996 to 27 Oct 1996
> ************************************************
>


Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 13:52:23 -0500
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Pale Saints.... need info


On Wed, 30 Oct 1996, .mark. wrote:

> On Wed, 30 Oct 1996, John Doe wrote:
>
> > I think it was Comforts of Madness... or something like that.... ???
>
> "comforts of madness" is a fine release, but you're likely to have trouble
> finding it.  i've no idea why, but the only pale saints i ever see is "in
> ribbons"

im almost positive that it went out of print last year; around
this time actually...
its pretty good but not on the whole like in ribbons is.


                ---> [spiral]
                99lear@lab.cc.wmich.edu


Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 11:54:24 +0600
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lisa Gerrard music in cop'n'killer movie

              14:49:53 PST

>   the credit for the first movie to have a soundtrack
>   based on rock music goes for wim wenders' "wings of
>   desire" . ?1990?
>   (this is not a personal opinion, just a fact I read
>   somewhere..)

This statement of fact is suspect.  Was anyone else here alive when "Pretty in
Pink" (blech!) came out?  Don't believe everything you read.

-cz


Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 14:41:10 -0500
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: fakers vs. fretwankers


In a message dated 96-11-03 10:48:28 EST, you write:

<< >I have to express an opinion about the Breeders and the Paladins.  The
 >>Breeders IMHO are one of the worst bands signed to major distribution.
 >>They are unoriginal, out-of-tune and don't seem to have anything to
 >>say.  Now, am I missing something or are Breeders fans under some
 >>hypnotic spell because 4AD signed them?...
 >
 >>...But there is a distinction between 'musicians' and
 >>people in bands that can hold up their instruments but not play them.
 >>We used to call them poseurs and before that word, we just said
 >>'fakes'.  What's the deal?  The Breeders and The Paladins are 'fakes'.
  >>
I don't care for the Paladins and think 4ad shouldn
t have signed them but that is my opinion.  I just don't think they work for
any 4ad fan.  But I think the Breeders are great!!!!  For one, Kim Deal
started out in the Pixies ( a great 4ad band).  Second, they are extremely
original (especially the first album--take a listen).  Third, Alternative
Press put Pod in the top 100 of alternative albums.  Why does ot bother
anyone when someone sings out of tune?  Alternative music is largely out of
tune.  Do you like Joy Division?  Ian Curtis was Horribly out of tune but it
works great.  Don't like Breeders (maybe you think they are too popular?) but
as for me, I think they make a nice niche in 4ad's music.


Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 06:21:59 +0000
From: Leo KEITH (LKEITH@HALLS1.CC.MONASH.EDU.AU)
Subject: Re: the 500 mark


> Sure, it's always easy to heap epithets on others you don't agree with.  Is yo
r
> message any less boring?
Erm... goodness me!! I am terribly sorry mr/mrs/miss cz. I really had
no intention of being inflamatory in any way and I think that there
has been a general misunderstainding which may turn out to be to the
detriment of both the good spirit of the list and of my reputation as a
generally nice and thoughtful individual. The heading "a load of
tripe from a boring sod" was actually my own little attempt at self
deprecation, that aforesaid boring sod being me and that
aforementioned load of tripe being my comments on what I though was a
considered and well intentioned proposition. You may have
interpereted some sarcasm into my manner but I can assure you that I
hold the genuine belief that I have very little to contribute to the
list (or to society in general) in the way of knowledge, humour or ideas
and only chose to respond to this "ethereal" thread out of the desire
to show my support for increased discussion on this list of more
music which I hold to be particularily dear to my heart. I did
consider the danger of mis-interpretation of my formatting and as a
consequence chose to comment those statements attributed to one cz
with some qualifier in favour of the sentiments expressed therein (ie
"educated and well-informed")

In future you can trust me to stay out of you affairs and just sit in the
background soaking in the atmosphere like the great spineless,
spongy, gelatinous substance that I am.
- Some weird little fellow who it would be wise to steer clear of in
future

PS It wasn't any of the more obvious abbreviations which concerned
me but the name of one particular band that was given a three letter
acronym (starting with "B" I think) alluded me. I don't care much for
the answer anymore after this little episode but thank you for your
helpfulness in spite of this misunderstanding.


Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 01:43:00 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 25 Oct 1996 to 26 Oct 1996


Stuart Adamson wrote:

>This is unsolicited email.
>I did not ask for you to include me on your mailing list and niether do I
>wish to be a recipitant of your course and volgar language. I sugest that
>you keep your silly ideas to your own side and the Atlantic and leave me
>out of them.
>
>If you could tell me who gave you my email address, I will deal with them
>in a similar way!

Stuart Adamson.... aren't you the guy who used to be in the Skids and later
had a band called Big Country?

Hi Stuart!

Frank
(still a Skids fan)
+++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pi.net
+++++++++++++++

Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 01:42:36 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: Lisa Gerrard music in cop'n'killer movie


>>   the credit for the first movie to have a soundtrack
>>   based on rock music goes for wim wenders' "wings of
>>   desire" . ?1990?
>>   (this is not a personal opinion, just a fact I read
>>   somewhere..)
>
>This statement of fact is suspect.  Was anyone else here alive when "Pretty in
>Pink" (blech!) came out?  Don't believe everything you read.

Indeed! What about 'The Hunger' (1982?) for instance, with Bowie and Deneuve
and a lot of Bauhaus in the soundtrack (and their singer Peter Murphy in the
movie itself).

Or, much older: 'Easy Rider'! From 1969, isn't it?

There are hundreds of movies from before 1990 with a rock soundtrack.
Wenders himself used Kraftwerk and some other German electronic bands for
'Im Lauf Der Zeit'. That movie was made in 1976 or '77.

Frank
+++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pi.net
+++++++++++++++

Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 14:06:39 +1300
From: Robin Fargher (robinf@DEV.WHOLESALE.NBNZ.CO.NZ)
Subject: Barging into the Presence of God


Coincidentally following the recent Pale Saints questions ...

The local second hand record shop has got a second hand copy of the "Barging
into the Presence of God" 12" vinyl EP in seemingly good condition which
someone on this list might be interested in.

The catch is I'm New Zealand (ass end of the world near Australia) so it'll
cost a bit more for postage. The shop is asking $NZ8.50 which is about
$US6.00. Add say $2.00 airmail postage to the US for a total of $US8.

If anyone's desperate enough for it, send me a private e-mail and we'll see
if we can arrange something. First come, first served.

Robin