4ad-l Mail for 11-02-1996

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Subject: Re: stone roses
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 09:14:30 EST
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: Re: the 500 mark
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 14:51:42 EST
From: Burt Reynolds (BWILLIA@VALHALLA.CSF.EDU)
Subject: Re: the 500 mark
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 15:42:31 EST
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Dead Can Dance
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 01:29:50 EDT
From: stephen rouse (DPOSGR9%WADPT5@ADMIN.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: the 500 mark
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 14:36:58 EST
From: "C.K. Coney" (violaine@JUNO.COM)
Subject: rosewater elizabeth..
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 22:26:30 -0800
From: VK (primitec@slip.net)
Subject: Re: Breeders hypnosis
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 01:28:24 -0600
From: Lysa Bellott (dijit@NS.ACADIACOM.NET)
Subject: Rene Halket/David Jay on CD
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 01:27:58 -0800
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: 4AD: THE SITE new launch date
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 02:24:52 -0800
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Tanya Donnelly
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 09:44:27 EST
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: new Luna EP
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 23:36:15 -0500
From: jacques the monkey (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Hooray!!!!
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 13:11:37 -0500
From: Matt Walburn/Summer Holiday (mdwalbur@student.berklee.edu)
Subject: Kelley Deal & co.
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 17:35:43 -0600
From: oteran (oteran@SHRIKE.DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: Lisa Gerrard music in cop'n'killer movie
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 02:18:30 +0100
From: lbo (lbo@IOL.IT)
Subject: Re: Knockout Pill
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 20:02:52 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Re: FSOL
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 20:57:39 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 09:14:30 EST
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: Re: stone roses


>
>   On another note the Stone Roses split up on Wed. 30 Oct.
> Mani has joined Primal Scream and the others will work together
> probably under a different name. Thought it may be of general
> interest to people who haven't heard.
>
which version of the roses are you talking about?
reni was thrown out many months ago, and john squire soon left due
to reni's departure.  ian and mani recruited some other
people and were going to continue as the stone roses.  john and reni
(the talent of the roses)are supposed to be doing work together, the
last i heard.  i can't believe they kept their popularity... after waiting
six years for their second album which completely sucked.

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 14:51:42 EST
From: Burt Reynolds (BWILLIA@VALHALLA.CSF.EDU)
Subject: Re: the 500 mark


> Anyone agree that we ought to have an increased focus here on the
> "ethereal"
> sort of music that isn't talked about much on pure-impure?  After all 4AD did
> pioneer the sound and we might have a critical mass of DCD, CT, HNIA, This
> Mortal Coil fans here.  There's plenty of new music in this vein that deserves
a
> place here but seems to not quite fit in on the pure/impure list:  Love is
> Colder than Death, Love Spirals Downwards, Rosewater Elizabeth, Velour, Bel
> Canto, Hector Zazou, etc.

Yes, I agree. I suppose that I don't hear as much as I'd like to
about this type of music on this list (my own fault for not bringing
it up) but I would guess that many of us here are fans of the above
mentioned bands and their like. Rosewater Elizabeth's album "Le Petit
Morte" for example is startlingly good and unique (wow!); someone
mentioned them once on this list about five months ago, and I'm
forever grateful. SO, fans of this sort of stuff: come out of lurking
if you feel so inclined and fill us in! BTW, someone mentioned (I
think it was lars) that Bel Canto has a new disc of sorts; a
collaboration with Eastern musicians...what was it called? thanks in
advance.
    brian
    bwillia@valhalla.csf.edu


Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 15:42:31 EST
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: the 500 mark


>Anyone agree that we ought to have an increased focus here on the "ethereal"
>sort of music that isn't talked about much on pure-impure?  After all 4AD did
>pioneer the sound and we might have a critical mass of DCD, CT, HNIA, This
>Mortal Coil fans here.  There's plenty of new music in this vein that deserves
a
>place here but seems to not quite fit in on the pure/impure list:  Love is
>Colder than Death, Love Spirals Downwards, Rosewater Elizabeth, Velour, Bel
>Canto, Hector Zazou, etc.

>So, what do ya think?

>-cz

In a word no. Why? Because this kind of stuff has little to do with what 4AD is
about, or has been about for the whole of the nineties, and this is the 4AD list
after all. With the exception of Dead Can Dance (who appear to be moving away
from their proto-goth leanings these days anyway), there's nothing like this
stuff on the label, so why should the mailing list be dominated by it? The whole
point of this list is to discuss 4AD-related topics. Pure-Impure gave those of
us who wanted to discuss the post-rock/techno/jungle/hip hop spectrum a
platform, and stop us posting stuff unrelated to 4AD to a largely disinterested
audience. Maybe you ethereal types should start something in a similar vein
rather than try and steer this list in a direction that isn't really relevant to
it. Otherwise someone will need to set up a spin-off list from this one to
discuss 4AD-related stuff, which is plainly ridiculous.

- Dez


Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 01:29:50 EDT
From: stephen rouse (DPOSGR9%WADPT5@ADMIN.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Dead Can Dance


Hi.  I just subscribed to the list because I like the music of "Dead Can
Dance" and thought maybe I could learn a little more about them on here.  I
have most of their albums but there's a couple or so I can't find.

--Stephen.

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 14:36:58 EST
From: "C.K. Coney" (violaine@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: the 500 mark


On Thu, 31 Oct 1996 17:45:28 -0700 cz  writes:
>the mystery parade  wrote:
>
>>   (Will 4AD-L break the 500 mark?)
>
>Yeah, what's the deal?!  Has 4AD really become 25% more popular since
>last year
>when we were constantly oscillating around the 400 mark?  I thought
>when the
>pure/impure list broke away that we'd have *fewer* people here but
>that seems
>not to be the case.
>
>Anyone agree that we ought to have an increased focus here on the
>"ethereal"
>sort of music that isn't talked about much on pure-impure?  After all
>4AD did
>pioneer the sound and we might have a critical mass of DCD, CT, HNIA,
>This
>Mortal Coil fans here.  There's plenty of new music in this vein that
>deserves a
>place here but seems to not quite fit in on the pure/impure list:
>Love is
>Colder than Death, Love Spirals Downwards, Rosewater Elizabeth,
>Velour, Bel
>Canto, Hector Zazou, etc.
>
>So, what do ya think?
>
>-cz
>
I agree, cause I like alot of those bands, esp. CT, DCD, TMC, HNIA! The
Projeckt bands, IMHO, are ok, but somewhat derivative. Same with
Rosewater Eliz., who I got to see recently in Atlanta, and they bored me
so I left mid-set.

To each his or her own, I guess. But it's extremely helpful to hear about
all the listy-type bands, because each of us can usually find a band
we'll like among others' finds. That's how I learned of HNIA, Hector
Zazou, Bel Canto...from one of these lists!

So...might I recommend Rasputina, who is touring again, opening for Kula
Shaker (a band I do NOT know, but I hear  they use sitar and tabla, so
I'll probably like 'em). Anyway, Rasputina was great  (tho left me
wanting more) when I saw 'em in P-burgh in early Oct...get to their show
early so you can get up close and watch their cello bowing technique(s)!
i think cello sounds SO much better live, much warmer & richer. (Tho
Rasputina's cd "Thanks for the Ether" is excellent, too.)

Happy "Day of the Dead", everyone!

Carol

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 22:26:30 -0800
From: VK (primitec@slip.net)
Subject: rosewater elizabeth..


Greetings,

Great stuff! a close comparison would be This Mortal Coil (?) others may
find better comparisons agreed... More info can be found at
a cool guy with musical tastes that match this list well. Definitely
worth checking out!

V K

"average minds speak of people
 good minds speak of events
 great minds speak of ideas"

Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 01:28:24 -0600
From: Lysa Bellott (dijit@NS.ACADIACOM.NET)
Subject: Re: Breeders hypnosis


Dan Shubin wrote:

>Hi--
>I have to express an opinion about the Breeders and the Paladins.  The
>Breeders IMHO are one of the worst bands signed to major distribution.
>They are unoriginal, out-of-tune and don't seem to have anything to
>say.  Now, am I missing something or are Breeders fans under some
>hypnotic spell because 4AD signed them?...

>...But there is a distinction between 'musicians' and
>people in bands that can hold up their instruments but not play them.
>We used to call them poseurs and before that word, we just said
>'fakes'.  What's the deal?  The Breeders and The Paladins are 'fakes'.
>

the Deal (according to me):

1. ATTITUDE
You ask what's the deal, I would say that Kim and her ego are most of the
Deal.

2. HISTORY
I've not just stumbled upon the Breeders.  I first bought the breeders
because of Kim Deal and Tanya Donnelly being members of other bands that I
had already liked--Pixies and Throwing Muses, of course.  The breeders could
have signed to ANY label and I would have bought it.

3. KIM AS POET
I also like the Breeders/Kim Deal because of the lyrics.  You say they don't
seem to have anything to say but are you listening?  "Motherhood means
mental freeze" from No Aloha says so much on so many levels.  It's feminist,
comical, poetic and quite meaningful.

4. THE MUSIC
I like the music too.  It's enjoyable, unconventional pop music.  The
breeders can most definitely hold their own on their instruments.  Someone
else mentioned that if you saw them live you might think differently, I
agree.

My point is, it's not just the music--there are other factors as well.  Get
it?  Oh well, if you don't then maybe the breeders aren't for you and you
should look elsewhere for aural gratification.

(and I don't like the breeders JUST because of Kim Deal because i really
don't get the Amps at all i think it's a waste of money but that's my opinion)

Lysa

who just won the 'head to toe' thing-a-ma-jig
yippee! for me -- proof that LOOSERS sometimes do win ;)


Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 01:27:58 -0800
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Rene Halket/David Jay on CD


MUSIC FOR VAMPIRES
The perfect soundtrack to an evening -- or morning -- or LIFE -- in
black.  Red wine.  Sadness mixed with joy.  Y'see, there are these two
longtime goths who work in our marketing department (hello Steve and
Livia!) who've spent years coming up with the perfect collection -- and
here it is.  Only for sale in -- Canada.  Pity.   Dead Can Dance,
Cocteau Twins and Bauhaus, along with classical excerpts and rare tracks
from Peter Murphy, Pieter Nooten/Michael Brook and for the first time on
CD, David J./Rene Halkett collaboration "Nothing".  In a mystery best
solved by the devout listener, there are also two bonus tracks... see
our special Vampires web page at:

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Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 02:24:52 -0800
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: 4AD: THE SITE new launch date


Look what I found (on the home page of The Site):

new server. Our thanks and apologies go out to all who have accessed the
site recently and have been disappointed by the lack of new content, our
thanks also go out to the people at IUMA and John Hughes.

The new site will be officially launched on January 1, 1997 but individual
artists' sites will become accessable, as they are completed, prior to that
date.

The URL will remain; http://www.4AD.com/


t h e   m y s t e r y   p a r a d e
{ceci n'est pas une web site}


Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 09:44:27 EST
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Tanya Donnelly


        Tanya Donnelly - Human / Bum (12" Promo T1)
I got this promo of two tracks from 'Sliding and Diving', the forthcoming TD ep,
today. 'Human' is pretty disappointing. It's just a bog-standard alternative
rock track of the kind that you might find buried on the b side of a Belly
single. There's a tune, but it's really predictable stuff. 'Bum' is different.
It has strangely treated vocals, and a buzzsaw guitar. It's quite shrill, abrupt
and certainly not commercial. It's not brilliant, but it's promising, and it
doesn't sound like Belly which is a good thing. (not that I've got anything
against Belly, but to split a band and then make records that sound the same is
pretty pointless). The choice of 'Human' as a first track, though, is bizarre.
Either it indicates that the new material is really weak, or that it's defiantly
un-pop and that this song is the easiest entry point. I really hope that the
latter scenario is the case.

- Dez


Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 23:36:15 -0500
From: jacques the monkey (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: new Luna EP


>season of the witch, as most of you probably know, is a cover, and
>i can thus feel comfortable that luna are not stealing riffs from tracy
>chapman, but that she is stealing them from donovan leitch (this joke, of
>course, is lost on anyone not familiar with this song -- having alienated
>half the list, i continue...)

Well, okay...SOTW is by Donovan (Donovan Leitch's dad), so I'm with you so
far - where does Tracy Chapman fit into this?


Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 13:11:37 -0500
From: Matt Walburn/Summer Holiday (mdwalbur@student.berklee.edu)
Subject: Hooray!!!!


Red House Painters are playing in Boston again!!!!!!!!

At Mama Kin on Dec 1 w/ HNIA

Hopefully the cops won't cut their set short like the last time RHP
played there!!!!


-matt


Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 17:35:43 -0600
From: oteran (oteran@SHRIKE.DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: Kelley Deal & co.


sorry if someone's already posted this. FYI:

Ousted SMASHING PUMPKINS drummer JIMMY CHAMBERLIN has joined
     fellow recovering drug addict KELLEY DEAL in a new group. Ex-BREEDERS
star Deal,
     Chamberlin, SKID ROW singer SEBASTIAN BACH and keyboard player JIMMY
     FLEMION of THE FROGS have formed THE LAST HARD MEN. They have recorded
     a cover of ALICE COOPER's SCHOOL'S OUT for SCREAM, the latest horror
film by
     director WES CRAVEN. Over a four-day session, the four rockers recorded
     12 songs, including PEGGY LEE's I ENJOY BEING A GIRL and THE SCORPIONS'
     SPIDER. Deal says, "We're like the freaks of rock. Me and Chamberlin
both kicked        out of bands, Sebastian is this weird metal dude, and
Flemion is just plain odd.        Too bad the name MISFITS was already taken."

oteran
oteran@shrike.depaul.edu

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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 02:18:30 +0100
From: lbo (lbo@IOL.IT)
Subject: Lisa Gerrard music in cop'n'killer movie


hello all

yesterday a friend of mine was watching a video cassette with a movie which
title in italian is "La sfida", the original title should have been "Hot
rage" or fear or something.  to cut it short: Al Pacino is the good but
controversial super-cop and Robert De Niro is the evil but reliable bad guy
and they spent the time chasing each other.

the strange thing is the musical track (or how do you call the music that
goes on with the movie): a lot of Opal, Brian Eno, and... Lisa Gerrard, a
piece from "The Mirror Pool", nothing new.

anyway it was astonishing.  I hate tv and movies so I'm not up to date, but
is this a new trend to do the music track of a movie?

Maybe it's a lot cheaper to pay rights than to have musician compose and
perform new music?

Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 20:02:52 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Re: Knockout Pill



Just wanted to give a mention about a new Toronto band
that I think some of you might like a lot called Knockout Pill.
They remind me at times of the Breeders, Lush and Throwing
Muses, but its better to listen to the cd for yourself and decide.

Its got a girly-pop edge, its kinda Belly-esque.
They went into the the top 10 Toronto independents
debuting at no. 6 this week. I would be interested to
know what other listies in the T.O. area think of this
release. I can post info on how to get a hold of their
cd if anyone can't seem to find it. As far as I know
it is not yet signed onto any major but I think Polygram
or MCA were looking at them.

Steve

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Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 20:57:39 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: FSOL


perhaps not exactly 'thislistie' but I just got my copy of FSOL's
"Dead Cities"... wow... very aggressive intro. surprising for them. SO
far it seems to be rather dark in places, but there are these surprising
fields of elysian wonder that you would expect from the Yage boys...
Still trying to digest the 190+page book of art work and text that comes
with it. You cant say they just threw this together...