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Subject: Re: Peppermint Pig -- explained
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 12:18:53 EST
From: "C.K. Coney" (violaine@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Heidi Berry
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 22:11:18 -0600
From: Lebron (diegoh@GIGA.COM)
Subject: Re: sTina nordensTam
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 17:35:19 -0700
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Breeders hypnosis
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 04:13:27 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: Re: Gus Gus
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 10:26:09 PST
From: Tom Weibrecht (tweibrecht@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: Breeders hypnosis
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:33:46 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Breeders hypnosis
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:04:21 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Breeders hypnosis
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:16:10 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: the 500 mark
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 03:47:06 -0600
From: Greyson Welch (slugdady@GULF.NET)
Subject: doy of the dead
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 14:41:31 -0600
From: John Doe (950573@UTB1.UTB.EDU)
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 14:42:54 -0600
From: John Doe (950573@UTB1.UTB.EDU)
Subject: Re: Breeders hypnosis
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 14:23:16 -0600
From: Lebron (diegoh@GIGA.COM)
Subject: Lamb
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 22:33:37 PST
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: Mail order
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 18:23:23 -0000
From: sstowell (sstowell@INCH.COM)
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 20:57:32 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: Lamb
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 21:40:20 -0500
From: "James P. Crimm" (jcrimm@MOOSE.UVM.EDU)
Subject: Re: medeski, martin & wood
Date: 1-Nov-1996 16:44:40 -0800
From: RUNDERWO@LPI-LA (Robert Underwood)
Subject: Re: the 500 mark
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 11:02:27 EST
From: Princess Coldheart (aleppo@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)

Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 12:18:53 EST
From: "C.K. Coney" (violaine@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: Peppermint Pig -- explained


On Tue, 29 Oct 1996 20:29:40 -0700 Jens Alfke 
>I've been meaning to post this info for months now, so I've forgotten
>some of the details...
>
>Diana & I were paging through some mail-order catalog and came across
>...
>a peppermint pig! Yes, a little pink miniature pig made of chewy
>peppermint candy. Apparently this is a traditional holiday confection
>from someplace. I have no doubt that Elizabeth Fraser knows about this
>(and perhaps eats them in secret, biting the little heads off first)
>and
>that's where the name of the song came from.

I would love to know which country the peppermint pig comes from, and I'd
like to know more about what kind of holiday it is a part of. Kinda
reminds me of Mexico's "Day of the Dead" (tomorrow!), when the dead AND
living are celebrated, not mourned, and folks go to cemetaries to party
at the gravesites of loved ones, and kids (and adults) eat candies shaped
like skulls!

Happy "Day of the Dead", everyone, and Happy Halloween!

Carol (masquerading as Violaine)


Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 22:11:18 -0600
From: Lebron (diegoh@GIGA.COM)
Subject: Heidi Berry


Just this little post to say that Miracle is Ms. Berry=B4s best effort to
date.  The music is VERY uplifting and is having a heavy rotation period in
my cd player... What singles came out with this lp?

What i=B4m also wondering: where is that supposed collaboration with=
 Brendan?=20

Pepe

Giving a chance to Skylab=B4s #1
*************************************************
'Just give me an easy life and a peaceful death.'
                               The Sundays
*************************************************

Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 17:35:19 -0700
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: sTina nordensTam

              22:20:41 +0000

>   excuse me but i was just wondering how two whole people
>   had managed to talk about the wonderous stina nordenstam
>   without mentioning 'little star'. this song is the
>   summeriest summery summer song ever written

Well, it is pretty darned autumnal here.  Sure 'little star' is great, but don't
you think some songs on the Memories of a Colour album are even better?!?

I can't wait to hear the new album.  Thanks for the info about Canadian release
Jeff!   ( ... and clever capitalization of her name--is that your idea?)

Does anyone know if this will be released in the US?  If not, how can i order it
from Canada?  I'm sure many of us on the Stina list are dying to know this
information so i'll pass it on to them.

-cz   ... i'm thinking of a color
      ... don't think it's got a name ...


Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 04:13:27 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: Re: Breeders hypnosis


On Wed, 30 Oct 1996 10:42:25 -0800, Dan Shubin 

>  Tell me, what is the fascination with these shit bands when you have =
great bands like
>Chimera, Rose Chronicles... What's the deal?  The Breeders and The =
Paladins are 'fakes'.

Score another one for the subjectivity of taste. I've never heard the
Paladins (I suppose I'm lucky), and I never take "Last Splash" off the
shelf (though I'm planning to buy "Pod"), but if there's one band it
is torture for me to listen to, it's the Rose Chronicles -- screeching
pretension, ugh.

You're the first one on the list I've heard praise them. Explain
yourself!

Paul


Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 10:26:09 PST
From: Tom Weibrecht (tweibrecht@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: Gus Gus


funny thing is, ive done exactly the same and u know what ive gotten?:
jack shit!

On Tue, 29 Oct 1996 07:12:06 -0500 harrison fnord 
>On Mon, 28 Oct 1996, Jeff Keibel wrote:
>>
>
>        speaking of GusGus, 4ad were kind enough to send me a
>        rather huge postcard featuring a photograph of the
>        entire ensamble on the picture-side, and some info
>        about their release on the flipside.
>
>        this is EXACTLY what 4ad should be doing with the
>        internet: i assume they got my address from the
>        form on the site, or maybe from the card i sent back
>        from the sleeve of 'shaving the pavement'..
>        on a related note, Island sent me a RHP poster free
>        just for visiting their site. it really makes a difference
>        (all you corporate types out there, listen up!), and
>        because of these simple acts of kindness i actually went
>        out to get 'songs for a blue guitar,' and am contemplating
>        a GusGus single or something...
>
>        lesson learned: the more little promotional stuff you
>        give away to fans, the more actively interested they
>        become.   So here's a big cyber high-5 to 4AD!
>
>
>
>
>   *******************************************************************
>           I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one
>                to give birth to a dancing star!
>                            -Nietzsche
>   *******************************************************************
>                          owilde@umich.edu
>

Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:33:46 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Breeders hypnosis


'Musical communication' has to do with a lot more than "proficiency".
There are alot of different things about music that 'communicate' its
message, manifesto, forward thinking, avant-gardeness etc. There's the
visceral/sensual aspect of just raw sound (see various bands from MBV, to
Seefeel, to Ride to numerous other examples), there's an
inteleectual/subversive edge of songs that make you question your very
foundations of what IS a song (HNIA, Ian Masters, etc), and then there's
bands that just slap you in the head and say 'its still just rock n roll'
(JAMC, Breeders, others). It doesnt neccesarily take talent or
proficeincy to accomplish any of the above, but it does take vision. Its
sorta like so many adds looking for musicians to join a band that say
"Eddie Van Halen need not apply"... there's a lot to be said for
technical mastery, but there's a hell of a lot more to music besides that.

I cant speak for the Paladins cuz I've not heard them. But as far as the
Breeders go, perhaps you need to see them live to understand how much
control they reeally do have over their music. NOBODY knows how to pull a
hook out of thin air like Kim. And very few people can carry so much
style in their apparent disregard for style. As a band, they can go from
evoking a strange dark atmospheric sound to a raw two fisted rock-out in
such a way that puts both genres in a new light.

Art is a science with more than seven variables. Musical profiency is one
of these variables. But sometimes it isnt the best vehicle to communicate
a musician's vision.

That being said, your right a lot of the music out there is crap. But
sometimes you need to alter your definitions when your trying to sift out
the chaffe.


Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:04:21 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Breeders hypnosis


Dan Shubin opines:
>I have to express an opinion about the Breeders and the Paladins.  The
>Breeders IMHO are one of the worst bands signed to major distribution.
>They are unoriginal, out-of-tune and don't seem to have anything to
>say.

Have you listened to "Pod" or just "Last Splash"? I agree entirely about
the latter, but "Pod" is a very, very weird album that repays several
listenings. I got it when it came out and it didn't do much for me at
first (out-of-tune was definitely one of my complaints) and then on about
the fourth listening it clicked. The songs are quite strange, don't do
what you expect them to do, and there's a really appealing amateurishness
about the whole affair which I think is mostly caused by (as I've been
told) Kim's having written most of the songs back in high school.
The great failure of their subsequent material is that Kim probably had
to start writing new songs -- clearly somewhere down the line her naivete
had worn off and the newer songs just sound like very derivative
modern-rock.

As for "one of the worst bands signed to major distribution", this is the
kind of absurd exaggeration that strikes too many of us. Are you really
saying with a straight face that the Breeders are worse than REO
Speedwagon, Styx, Poison, Tiny Tim, Dan Hill ("Sometimes When We Touch")
or Lobo ("Me And You And a Dog Named Boo")? And that's just scratching
the surface. GO to the cut-out bin of your local record store (or the
used section) and in 30 seconds you can discover dozens more 'artists' a
million times worse than anything ever released on 4AD.

__________          ___________________          ________________________
Jens Alfke          Recovering C++ User          jens@apple.com     [work]
                                                 jens@mooseyard.com [play]

  'Time in the shadow of the wing of the thing too big to see, rising.'
                                            _____________________________
                                            http://www.mooseyard.com/Jens/

Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:16:10 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Breeders hypnosis


Dan writes:
>One thing I
>have to emphasize about being able to play and communicate in musical
>language (proficiency)--these bands you mentioned did not go into the
>studio and just bash out a bunch of crap and make history.  They KNEW
>what they were doing, don't kid yourself.

You've switched the argument from "being able to play your instruments"
to "knowing what you're doing", which I submit are totally different
beasts.

 The whole fucking POINT of punk rock was that the last decade of
rock music had laid down this impenetrable barrier between artists and
their fans, between the everyday schmuck and a mega-talented guitarist
like Jimmy Page. You didn't even dare pick up a guitar outside your
bedroom unless you'd spent years painstakingly learning how to play like
Jimmy and copy his solos. Punk rock said precisely: it doesn't matter
whether or not you know how to play, as long as you have an idea and an
attitude and the energy. Get up there and make noise NOW. Did the Stooges
or the Ramones or the Sex Pistols or Wire or X-Ray Spex or Black Flag or
the Germs or Bikini Kill or Throbbing Gristle or Richie Hawtin or Richard
James have any real ability to play their instruments when they started
out? Of course not. They just didn't listen to any whiners complaining
"get off the stage if you can't play". 

In any case this is moot. You'll recall that the Breeders started out
with Tanya Donnelly on guitar -- and pick up even the first Throwing
Muses album if you want incontrovertible proof that Tanya at least really
knew how to play that guitar. Kim had just switched to guitar, but any
Pixies album shows that her bass playing was technically competent and
added a lot to the songs.

__________          ___________________          ________________________
Jens Alfke          Recovering C++ User          jens@apple.com     [work]
                                                 jens@mooseyard.com [play]

                       L.A. CIGAR -- TOO TRAGICAL
                                            _____________________________
                                            http://www.mooseyard.com/Jens/


Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 03:47:06 -0600
From: Greyson Welch (slugdady@GULF.NET)
Subject: Re: the 500 mark


Greetings...

                cz wrote:

> Anyone agree that we ought to have an increased focus here on the "ethereal"
> sort of music that isn't talked about much on pure-impure?  After all 4AD did
> pioneer the sound and we might have a critical mass of DCD, CT, HNIA, This
> Mortal Coil fans here.  There's plenty of new music in this vein that deserves
a
> place here but seems to not quite fit in on the pure/impure list:  Love is
> Colder than Death, Love Spirals Downwards, Rosewater Elizabeth, Velour, Bel
> Canto, Hector Zazou, etc.

                Yes, I agree wholeheartedly.  There are many bands that are
discussed here that I just don't give a shit about, and I delete a lot
of messages (more than I actually read).  But I certainly don't want
to unsubscribe, because there is a good deal of material that I am
actually interested in.  As far as this list is concerned, I am
interested primarily in: HNIA, CT, DCD, Xymox, Wolfgang Press (early
material).  I also happen to like a lot of "shoegazer" artists like
Ride, My Bloody Valentine, etc.  I really enjoy Love Spirals
Downwards, Miranda Sex Garden, the really ethereal female vocal stuff,
I also like guitar that's very shimmery and oceanic (does that make
any sense?).  I mostly like the earlier 4AD artists, which I know just
absolutely infuriates some people on this list-- sorry, I can't help
it, I like what I like, and some of the more recent 4AD releases are
Shite.  However, artists like HNIA and DCD are still thriving, and I
believe CT as well (but this is a tough call).  Yes I'm definately
interested in talking about something a little more ethereal.  You
asked, I answered.

Yours in Truth-
Greyson Welch


Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 14:41:31 -0600
From: John Doe (950573@UTB1.UTB.EDU)
Subject: doy of the dead


Excuse me... day of the dead:
FELIZ DIA DE LOS MUERTOS A TODOS!
        Amour, -Ariel.


Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 14:42:54 -0600
From: John Doe (950573@UTB1.UTB.EDU)
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive


are there going to be any dates for Houston?  Or texas for that matter?
Please say YES...
_Ariel.

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 14:23:16 -0600
From: Lebron (diegoh@GIGA.COM)
Subject: Re: Breeders hypnosis


), but if there's one band it
>is torture for me to listen to, it's the Rose Chronicles -- screeching
>pretension, ugh.

Agree! I bought it 'cause the Lush/guitar connection but after 4 months
since i got it i=B4ve only heard it twice...=20
can I have my money back?

Pepe
*************************************************
'Just give me an easy life and a peaceful death.'
                               The Sundays
*************************************************

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 22:33:37 PST
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: Lamb


a fine 'self titled debut album' . (what's the deal with these anyway? I
refuse to believe that people with infinite creativity for music can't
think of two good names.)
buying that album was a shot in the dark for me and it's always great
when one of these impulse buys turns out so well. I've only listened to
it twice so I wont review it now. on first impression it sounds like
'portishead' reincarnated as a techno/dance band. or maybe its EBTG
reincarnated as a good band. I love the groovy tempo and especially the
eclectic drum machine. I think this is the kind of music that fits the
'pure-impure' title. (don't hesitate to call me on that if I'm wrong)
perhaps someone will post a proper review?

btw. anyone heard about "MEDESKI MARTIN & WOOD" ? they feature in ATN's
sonic lodge but the sound quality there is not a whole lot better than
random static noise.  (http://www.addict.com)

-naor-
"sergeant pepper's lonely nibelungen man"


Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 18:23:23 -0000
From: sstowell (sstowell@INCH.COM)
Subject: Mail order


Hello,

Could someone please post the 4AD mail order address?

Thanks.


Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 20:57:32 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive


At 12:14 31-10-96 -0500, Ritzche wrote:
>Warren and crew will be going out with none other thatn the Red House
>Painters.  there are not lots of dates, but we are busy planning a tour for
>January where HNIA will headline.

So no chance of a HNIA Euro tour??? But then, I don't think they sold more
than 500 copies of 'Stars On ESP' this side of the Atlantic.

Frank
+++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pi.net
+++++++++++++++


Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 21:40:20 -0500
From: "James P. Crimm" (jcrimm@MOOSE.UVM.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lamb


<<<<

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 16:49:25 -0800
From: Robert Underwood (runderwo@ADVOCATE.COM)
Subject: Re: medeski, martin & wood


From: RUNDERWO@LPI-LA (Robert Underwood)
Subject: Re: medeski, martin & wood

Date: 1-Nov-1996 16:44:40 -0800 btw. anyone heard about "MEDESKI MARTIN & WOOD" ? they feature in ATN's sonic lodge but the sound quality there is not a whole lot better than random static noise. (http://www.addict.com) -naor- "sergeant pepper's lonely nibelungen man" since you asked, medeski, martin & wood are a jazz trio whose songs prominently feature a hammond b-3 organ. i'm surprised that they got mentioned on this list, but i'll continue briefly for those who haven't deleted this message upon hearing that the group is a far, far cry from a 4AD sound. medeski, martin & wood are full of glorious contradictions: accessible without sounding watered down; smooth but not saccharine; fusiony without sounding generic. to put it more objectively, they blend jazz (both traditional and modern) with rock and funk. -- underwood

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 11:02:27 EST
From: Princess Coldheart (aleppo@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: the 500 mark


> Anyone agree that we ought to have an increased focus here on the "ethereal"
> sort of music that isn't talked about much on pure-impure?  After all 4AD did
> pioneer the sound and we might have a critical mass of DCD, CT, HNIA, This
> Mortal Coil fans here.  There's plenty of new music in this vein that deserves
a
> place here but seems to not quite fit in on the pure/impure list:  Love is
> Colder than Death, Love Spirals Downwards, Rosewater Elizabeth, Velour, Bel
> Canto, Hector Zazou, etc.
>
> So, what do ya think?
>
> -cz
>

i think id like to know what exactly anyone knows about rosewater elizabeth..
i heard of them because a friend of mine is from tampa, and sent me a tape
of theirs 3 or 4 years ago.. he said "they're a local band.. you might like
them..."  and boy did i..  how did the rest of the world hear of them?

(oh, and i think i would be hitting the delete key a lot less if there was
more discussion of bands like love is colder than death, etc...)

--robn