4ad-l Mail for 10-31-1996

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Subject: Re: Virginia Astley
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 18:25:59 +0000
From: the mystery parade (tmp@earthlink.net)
Subject: Re: question about pale saints...
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 03:26:52 +0900
From: Masaya Toyokawa (gtr0393@ASK.OR.JP)
Subject: Re: New LSD album?
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 22:27:49 CDT
From: Burt Reynolds (BWILLIA@VALHALLA.CSF.EDU)
Subject: Re: this, that, and the other (Siddal)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 22:42:30 CDT
From: Burt Reynolds (BWILLIA@VALHALLA.CSF.EDU)
Subject: Re: Breeders hypnosis
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 02:26:32 +0000
From: Rick Tunnicliffe (rdt1001@THOR.CAM.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Carnage Visors
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 10:02:03 PST
From: Tom Weibrecht (tweibrecht@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: airing Labradford's dirty secrets
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 11:50:26 -0500
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Pale Saints.... need info
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 23:33:03 -0700
From: ".mark." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: tortoise,
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 13:23:22 -0600
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: mercury rev question
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 10:05:18 EST
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: Like a mad whore, I can't live at home in this world...
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 02:25:25 -0800
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: sTiNa nordensTam
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 02:19:29 -0800
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Breeders hypnosis
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 10:42:25 -0800
From: Dan Shubin (dans@europa.com)
Subject: Peppermint Pig -- explained
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 20:29:40 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe me!!!!
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 09:34:20 -0700
From: Jess Mangold (jman@SELWAY.UMT.EDU)
Subject: Asha Vida/Control Panel 02
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 00:25:20 -0800
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG)" (gman2@SPRYNET.COM)
Subject: Re: Breeders hypnosis
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 20:25:38 -0800
From: Dan Shubin (dans@europa.com)
Subject: Re: sTiNa nordensTam
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 10:46:54 -0000
From: "Whittaker David (Exchange)" (WhittakerD@LOGICA.COM)
Subject: Re: The pure-impure list (re-announcement)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 08:06:50 -0800
From: Elvia Maree Tarango (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Like a mad whore, I can't live at home in this world...
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 06:56:29 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Phone Scam
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 21:45:22 -0500
From: Kevin Duell (Mailists@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Breeders hypnosis
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:07:38 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Breeders
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:00:34 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Peppermint Pig -- explained
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 08:43:18 -0500
From: Theresa Clay (EVOLGYRL3@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Breeders hypnosis (+ some poss. nonlisty)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 13:42:43 EST
From: "Steven Hipkiss." (sah577@VMS1.BHAM.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: airing Labradford's/Asha Vida
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 13:55:47 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Tortoise 7"
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 08:32:55 -0800
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: His Name Is Alive
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 12:14:27 -0500
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: sTina nordensTam
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 22:20:41 +0000
From: starlite walker (ma6so@BATH.AC.UK)
Subject: 4ad vinyl for sale
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 20:36:50 -0500
From: bent crayon (bcrayon@BENTCRAYON.COM)
Subject: More Carnage Visors...
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 23:43:02 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)

Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 18:25:59 +0000
From: the mystery parade (tmp@earthlink.net)
Subject: Re: Virginia Astley


James P. Crimm wrote:
>
> <<<<
>      I've missed the boat about Virginia. What does she sound like?

She has a childlike quality in her voice...

--
t h e   m y s t e r y   p a r a d e
{ceci n'est pas une web site}

Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 03:26:52 +0900
From: Masaya Toyokawa (gtr0393@ASK.OR.JP)
Subject: Re: question about pale saints...


At  9:23 AM 96.10.29 -0500, Alan Daniel wrote:
>i believe _mrs. dolphin_ is also out of print.

I have a little doubt about this.
The database at the shop says that it is still available.
The database is not quite reliable. It knows well about new releases, but
doesn't always know about old releases.

If there is anyone who want a new mrs.dolphin cd, I will order it. However,
I can't promise you. I always find them at used cd shops.

---
Masaya Toyokawa
190-25 Nansei,Mie, 516-01 Japan
gtr0393@ask.or.jp


Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 22:27:49 CDT
From: Burt Reynolds (BWILLIA@VALHALLA.CSF.EDU)
Subject: Re: New LSD album?


    Here's my take: Yes, it's good, and it goes in other more
ambient, lazy (that's a good thing) directions, but IMO it's not up
to par with either of the first two, esp. "Idylls," my personal
favorite. HOWEVER, I think I'm the exception not the rule when it
comes to LSD fans. Additionally, I'd like to reccommend the "Sideways
Forest" single; truly a unique few songs from them, quite lovely! I
also suggest you don't read the "informative sticker" on the shrink
wrap. Projekt PR seems to do more harm that good to their catalogue
of etherealambientdarkgothicatmosphericb-b-blah-b-blah music.
    brian
    bwillia@fogelson.csf.edu

Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 22:42:30 CDT
From: Burt Reynolds (BWILLIA@VALHALLA.CSF.EDU)
Subject: Re: this, that, and the other (Siddal)


In response to:

> 4. but seriously, has anyone picked up the new siddal album on bedazzled? it's
> as gorgeous as "the pedestal". i haven't had a chance to listen to it much yet

> but i assure you, it's listy fodder.

After waiting a month for Bedazzled mail order to send me this, I was
somewhat disappointed with the outcome. I recall a review of "The
Pedestal" saying that the album was somewhat "new age," but in a non-
kitsch non-crappy new age way (I'm not quoting here). The new album,
"The Crossing" is a step in that new age (wrong) direction. The tracks
tend to run together much more that the first one (I was stunned),
and the dynamic level doesn't vary almost at all. Phooey! I was
really looking forward to an album which rose to all the claims, such
it may have, but this second album wasn't what they were hinting at.
    brian
    bwillia@valhalla.csf.edu


Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 02:26:32 +0000
From: Rick Tunnicliffe (rdt1001@THOR.CAM.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Breeders hypnosis


On Wed, 30 Oct 1996, Dan Shubin wrote:

>  I have an attitude about groups like this because Portland is full of
> crap bands that get these glowing reviews...I see them live and they
> don't even know the basics of playing their instuments!

This is such a non-point it beggars belief. It doesn't really matter if a
band knows how to play their instruments or not, providing they create an
interesting noise (qv Joy Division, JAMC, Seefeel etc).

Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 10:02:03 PST
From: Tom Weibrecht (tweibrecht@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: Carnage Visors


this is getting crazy...i was at the ritz in nyc, 1981, when this "film"
was shown...i remember a lizard-like object that mutated into different
shapes like an erector set... for 20+ minutes...btw, i have a killer master tape
of this show if anyone is interested...
On Tue, 29 Oct 1996 19:06:23 +0200 Cult Hero  writes:
>Carnage Visors, indeed a strange movie, I saw it once in a circus tent
>in
>1981 (cure circus tour), I even got that small b/w booklet that came
>with
>the movie (a few picts from some puppet-figures in the movie and the
>cure
>boys at the set), but... Does anybody have this film on video?
>
>And are these soundtrack-bootleg versions taken from the original
>Faith
>tape or from some 'better' source...?
>
>
>
>
>
>Emiel Efdee
>...
>the Netherlands, October 29, 1996
>... efdee@luna.nl
>... http://www.luna.nl/~efdee
>

Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 11:50:26 -0500
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: airing Labradford's dirty secrets


On Tue, 29 Oct 1996, Gil Gershman (GuerillaG) wrote:

> probably waaaaaay o-o-p, but here's the address info:
> Audrey's Diary
> 1475 Latson Road
> Howell, MI 48843 USA]
>
> ...also see if you can get the first Asha Vida 7" while yer at it!

ah yes. i was waiting for someone to finally mention
asha vida... being as im from around here i figure it
wouldnt be taken seriously (ala godzuki.).
asha vida are are great band (from michigan)
with a psychadelic/space rock flavor. if "pinion" is
the single that you are refering to please do try to
find it.. its a great flute crazy song drenched in reverb
with falsetto vocals and tribal drums. amazing and soaring.
asha vida are vastly underrated and are one of my big influences.

im done gushing. watch your step. :)

                ---> [spiral]
                99lear@lab.cc.wmich.edu


Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 23:33:03 -0700
From: ".mark." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Re: Pale Saints.... need info


On Wed, 30 Oct 1996, John Doe wrote:

> I think it was Comforts of Madness... or something like that.... ???

"comforts of madness" is a fine release, but you're likely to have trouble
finding it.  i've no idea why, but the only pale saints i ever see is "in
ribbons"

> Anyway, could someone please give me their opinions as to what Pale Saints
> album is worth getting at this time and, if possible, why.  I will eventually
> have them all both Ian Masters era and In Ribbons era.  Thanks so much in
> advance.      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

i think you are a bit confused.  "in ribbons" was the last pale saints
record to feature mr. masters...but he is certainly on there!  "in
ribbons" is one of the most fabulous records ever to be released on 4ad,
and i always pull it out around this time of year which results in a
full-fledged ian masters-a-thon on my part (having the new spoonfed hybrid
ep is really helping the whole ordeal this year).  so, by all means pick
up "in ribbons".

as for "slow buildings" (the post masters album)...it is, by comparison, a
plain record that is saved from being terrible by the ten minute+ 'henry'
(as BiZ will gladly tell you).

okay, back to pure-impure for me.  buy the new rachel's album!

.
mrk (vonminde@rtt.colorado.edu)
.

Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 13:23:22 -0600
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: tortoise,

              bleagh (or rare tortoise for sale/trade) (or BiZ's dislikes =
              elation for some lucky boy or girl)

try as i may, i just can't dig 'em, so i offer this little gem for sale or
trade (preferably trade -- e-mail for a list).

a digest compendium of the tortoise's world (japanese import):

tin cans and twine (1)
tin cans and twine (puerto rican mix) (2)
alcohall (sic) (2)
night air (1)
gooseneck (3)
onions wrapped in rubber (1)
spiderwebbed (1)
cornebbed (2)
your new rod (2)
ry cooder (the beer incident) (3)
not quite east of the ryan (2)
reservoir (3)
cornpone brunch (1)
whitewater (3)
initial gesture protraction (2)

1- from the self-titled album, available everywhere
2- from the hard-to-find out of print remixes lp.  parasol just sold one
for $50
3- bonus track for japanese edition (don't know if these have been released
elsewhere, but i think not.)

i paid around $30 for this, so if you want to buy it (again, i would rather
trade it), i'd like about $35 (so i don't lose money on it).  it's in mint
condition -- i just can't stand tortoise.

thanks,

BiZ

Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 10:05:18 EST
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: mercury rev question


hello guys,

i've been wandering about this for quite some time, but always seem to forget
to ask anyone that may know.  for you mercury rev fans, you should know that
jonathan donahue played with the flaming lips for _in a priest driven
ambulence_ and _hit to death in the future head_.  i'm almost positive
that he sings on "gingerale afternoon(the astrology of a saturday)" from
htditfh.  it just doesn't sound exactly like wayne.  it is absolutely
impossible to listen to this song and not tap your foot, and it's very
dangerous when driving due to speeds i reach.  i talked with jonathan once,
but completely forgot to ask.  does anyone in 4ad land know the answer?

thanks,
alan


Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 02:25:25 -0800
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Like a mad whore, I can't live at home in this world...


For you 4ad-l-ers in the Toronto area, RHP&HNIA@LEE'S12/04.
Woooooooo!!!

Jeff Keibel
Scarborough, ON
CANADA
redshift@interlog.com

Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 02:19:29 -0800
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: sTiNa nordensTam


STINA NORDENSTAM
"Dynamite"
Stockholm/east west
0630-15605-2
out now!

Released this week in my corner of the world (Toronto, Canada) and
already out in Europe is the new album from Stina Nordenstam.  It's
called "Dynamite" and can be found on Telegram Records Stockholm/east
west via Warner Music UK.

I first fell for the sounds of Stina on her second album from '94
entitled "And She Closed Her Eyes" (4509-93898-2, east west).  This
album really blew me away and songs like "Hopefully Yours" and the
beautiful "Something Nice" made me a fan for life.

Stina "sings" in a child-like almost whispering style which you either
love or hate; there's no middle ground.  But, I beg you to give her a
chance...

As displyed on her previous album, a song like "Something Nice", with
the harmonied Stina voices and the catch-you-off-guard freshness of the
song itself to her new album "Dynamite", with lush production featuring
electric guitar (by Stina) and orchestrated violins and cellos really
demonstrates just how unique and original she is.

On a song like "The Man With A Gun" (from "Dynamite"), Stina sings from
the point of view of a woman whose punishment for an unspeakable crime
has caught up with her.  It's not explained what she did but the song is
so bone-chillingly scary you KNOW it must have been pretty bad.  Or like
on "Dynamite", the album's title track, lyrics like "Forgetting you is
like breathing water/There's got to be a better way" ring true to me and
I'm sure to lots of you as well.

The 4AD connection is that the wonderful Stina almost may have been
signed to 4AD at one point.  While it's sad that Stina didn't set up
shop at 4AD, thankfully the folks at Warner Music UK welcomed her
willfully non-commercial sounds and have released her albums to the
world.

Stina is an example of what an a daring artist really is; she's unafraid
to be totally herself and create her own style.  I mean this in the best
possible way - after listening to Stina, it makes Red Atkins sound like
the definition of a commercially viable recording artist.

Like lisa Germano, Red House Painters and Dead Can Dance from among the
4AD roster as examples, Stina also follows no one but herself, almost as
if the current hot trends on the charts or the clubs we're oblivious to
her.  The passion for her music literaly oozes from Stina's albums.

Like with her past album's liner notes, there's precious little info in
the "Dynamite" booklet about the woman that is Stina, but I was able to
find this interesting article that came out around the time of her
previous album in 1994.  Hopefully this will give a little glimpse into
what she's about.  Keep in mind the story is two years old now but
otherwise still worth reading...

In the meantime, definitely check out Stina's new album called
"Dynamite" real soon.  It's no wonder why our Mr. Watts-Russell knew
about Stina... With "Dynamite", hopefully she'll get the attention she
deserves.

--

"Stina - and she closed her eyes"
by Andres Lokko.

Far, far front, almost next to me in the couch, lies Stina Nordenstam's
voice. Every movement her lips does, every time she breathes in or out,
every time the teeth graze the tongue they reach all the way to my
heart.

Every word, every syllable is directed only to me. It is so close. I
actually don't know when I last heard a voice that had managed to pin
itself to my subconscious before it almost had left the speakers.

SN - Everyone I worked with tried to persuade me that the song shouldn't
be as much in front as it does on the record. Everyone said that it
would sound strange when it ends up on the CD. But I insisted, says
Stina Nordenstam by the window-table at a cafe at Karlaplan. She got as
she wanted. She usually does. Simply because she's right.

The story about the 24-year old Stina from Fisksatra is no longer
important. There were reasons to tell it when she released her debut
album Memories of a Colour two years ago. There were reasons to tell it
then, since the record contained music and lyrics that had been written
during a long period of her life.

Stina Nordenstam's second album, And She Closed Her Eyes, is not a part
of that story. There are lines that are from then. But the whole is more
than just a new chapter, it's a completely new book with - so far -
unwritten pages.

SN - After the first record had been released, which was in November
1991, I did nothing. Absolutely nothing. I just felt really bad. It was
some kind of exhaustion, I guess. Mainly because I released songs that I
had kept for myself for so long. And I also got a jagged picture of
myself, due to things I read about me everywhere, that I was so fragile
and melancholy and so. But after a while it meant something that I
didn't quite understand.

During spring 1992 Klas Lundig - Stina's record label's boss and most
dedicated supporter - starts talking that she should go to London and
play.

SN - He was constantly talking about a record label that was called 4AD
and who were interested in me. I had no idea what it was about, but Klas
persuaded me to go there, she says.

Somewhere, on a airplane between Arlanda (Stockholm's airport) and
Heathrow, And She Closed Her Eyes started to take form. Then came a
period when Stina commuted between Stockholm and London. But the planned
co-oporation with 4AD finally ended and they had to start all over
again.

SN - The most important thing that came out from these trips were that I
came in contact with a lot of music that I hadn't heard before. Not
least some things from 4AD.

And, quite right, she brought Red House Painters second album - with
Katy Song set on repeat - to the photoshoot for POP and during the walk
to the cafe a couple of blocks away, she talked herself warm for This
Mortal Coil.

SN - Sometimes, at least for very short moments, I can still get sad
that the cooperation didn't happen, she says after a while.

I don't think that 4AD realised what they were missing. But then they
hadn't heard And She Closed Her Eyes.

Long, long after the debut album was released in Sweden, it came out in
both England, Japan and USA. The critique was brilliant. But, after
hearing the follow-up album, the debut feels conventional. The earlier
take-off in Rickie Lee Jones, jazz and Stina's own fairy- tale tinted
stories on reality has been replaced by a number of musical references.
There is still jazz somewhere in the core of things. But it isn't the
academical school-jazz. The only thing that really remains is the jazz
feeling for melancholy. The title song is partly accompanied by rain
alone, which says quite a bit about the feeling the listener falls in.

SN - That very song was written and recorded when everything else was
finished. The record was completely finished, mixed and done. I just sat
in a corner of the studio and recorded it. It felt really good. Besides,
it was a good title on the album. It has a very open meaning. There are
like three dots before and after and you can place it in any context.

What's it about ?

SN - It's about a couple that are sitting in an open-air restaurant, he
is much older than she is, they don't really know each other that well
and they are seeing each other for the first time in a very long time.
That her face gets wet when they meet can be because it is raining or
she is crying. When it is raining in the song, they sit silent. They
don't have very much to say to each other. They have a silent agreement
that she must not fall in love with him. When she says that she has had
to struggle not to fall in love with him, he changes his mind. She
doesn't answer him. He loses his guarded style and is about to lose
control. Simply because she seems disconcerned.

It sounds like the synopsis to a French movie when she tells it. It
sounds like it could be about someone else. But when you hear the
record, when Stina's voice in just a few seconds has crawled into your
sub-conscious, it is all about yourself. Just like all pop music should
be.

SN - When I started to record I only knew that I didn't want to work
with Johan Ekelund again. For a while I was considering Talk Talk's
producer. Because I've thought that I one day would like to work with a
producer that has very strong visions, it worked excellent on Suzanne
Vega's latest.

Finally she decided to work with Erik Holmberg, who she met when she
appeared on Dive's album, almost two years ago.

SN - He seemed to understand what I wanted to do. But I liked him mostly
because he was so young.

Stina Nordenstam is 24 years old. She is still very short and is very
pleased with her album.

SN - Jon Hassell is on the record. It's one of very few known guests. He
received a lot of money and appeared only on one song. He showed up in a
very weird cowboy-outfit. Popsicle is on a few tracks and Andreas sings
on So This Is Goodbye. I love his voice. It's so personal. The rest of
the band plays of a few songs as well. Those who I had around me at that
time probably didn't quite realise how good Popsicle is. But I felt that
they were so fucking good myself, that I didn't care if anyone else
thought that they were grumpy.

Stina does as she wants.

When the Swedish people consumes Rebecka Tornqvist breakfast-tv jazz,
Stina Nordenstam's more personal, slightly eccentric, songs and her
melancholy vision feels incredibly important. The only artist that I can
think of that fits in her idea-world is Icelandic singer Bjork who's
album Debut was chosen as the best of 1993 by POP.

And She Closed Her Eyes is even better. I promise.

SN - I think that everything is about making it as clear as possible.
Sometimes you can spend ages trimming details. And then some things
disappear. But some songs on And She Closed Her Eyes felt right after
recorded like... perfect. There it was! But that doesn't mean that I
can't allow myself to be subtle. So I am convinced that many of those
who
listen to the record will misunderstand me anyway. So This Is Goodbye is
one of the songs that felt completely perfect when I heard the result
for the first time, and I imagine that the girls that listen to it will
think of it as very sad and maybe even a bit angry. It's also a song
that cannot be misinterpreted.

When I ask Stina to talk about the lyrics of the album, she has
problems.

SN - I have a strong resentment of hanging myself out like that. But I
think that's rather understandable. If you're a depressive person, you
don't sit and laugh at jokes. Just like it feels right now, that I have
to make up half-lies to talk about the lyrics.

She tries anyway.

SN - When Debbie's Back From Texas is about a person that I don't want
to talk about. Anyway, Debbie is an Englishman's ex-wife who comes from
Texas. And he imagines that when she gets back to England, life will
return to the shape it had before. But he really doesn't want that to
happen. The story is fictitious. And not self- lived. The places and the
names are true. Now I can't say anything more about that.

View From a Spire ?

SN - It's about a young woman who has died somewhere in town. There's a
possessed love story somewhere in the background. Most of my lyrical
ideas has in a way a true background. Even this one.

Crimes ?

SN - Love again. I don't want to say anything more.

Fireworks ?

SN - A pure unhappy love story.

Little Star ?

SN - A suicide with a confession in Latin performed by a boy's choir. It
will be released as asingle.

But then it is finished. The rest of the songs are left unspoken for.

SN - I think, contrary to the most, that lyrics are more personal in
English. I could probably not get as much said if I sang in Swedish. Now
I'm forced to concentrate on the story this way. I think the result will
be more obvious this way.

Another reason for the English is a certain disinterest in Sweden. Not
that she plans to conquer the world. It's just so.

SN - I have much easier to relate to things that happen outside Sweden.
Everything you experience outside Sweden is so peeled off, you're just a
character. No matter what you do or what happens, you'll be rid of
prejudicial opinions. It was someone who once wondered if I had any need
to obtain redress, that's why I wrote music. But that isn't true at all.
I have never had any need to impress or demand some kind of revenge on
those who I grew up with. No matter if it's about my parents, teachers
or old school friends.

SN - Creativity shall always come from some kind of suffering. It seems
to be some kind of rule that it's supposed to be that way. And I don't
understand it. I only know that I have a very strong need to express
myself. That's the strongest urge I have. I always have to explain what
I mean, what I want. If I argue with someone, I don't have to get that
person to agree with me. I only need to make him or her to understand.
That's enough. I'm scared if I can't get any order in my chaos. The
chaos has to be expressable.

She cares very little what kind of attention the record makes.

SN - There are very few people who's appreciation I really want. I mean,
what someone in USA thinks about it two years from now doesn't matter.
For me, the door was shut as soon as the record was finished. And now
it's too late. If you are truly happy with what you've done, it is not
until a very long time later that you start to care about what others
will think. Just when you've recorded a song and brings it on a tape and
listens to it in a walkman, that's enough. You love yourself right then
and that is actually enough. For some reason.

The comparison with Ricky Lee Jones, that has haunted her for years, is
a chapter that could be considered closed the same day that And She
Closed her Eyes reach the record shops.

SN - I think that an artist only has a certain lifespan to a listener.
There are exceptions, like Bowie and U2, artists that demand that the
audience must follow them when they insist on turning their music 360
degrees. But if you are talking about more personal music, there will
finally be a nostalgic shimmer around it, something familiar. And it can
never be like the first two-three albums with them that you loved.
Whatever they do, it will never get some new colours. You have to
somehow try to keep a certain naive feeling to that you liked very much
when you were younger. But when I listened to the new Rickey Lee Jones
album I was mostly glad that she existed, that she still was recording
music. And I played her version of Rebel Rebel eighteen times and
haven't played it since. I didn't play Pop Pop, her previous album, at
all. But then it came out when everybody was nagging me about sounding
like her.

And She Closed Her Eyes seems to have been written and recorded under
very concentrated forms, Stina seems to have turned off every other
potential source of influence.

SN - In a way. I have periods with differing needs and demands of
incoming and outgoing signals. When I read books I don't want to do
anything else at all. I have periods when I take in things and my own
language, my own expression is completely silent. When I think or read
it has to be very calm inside of me. The opposite are those periods when
I talk myself or record that I have written. At that time I am forced to
be extroverted.

Translation contributed by Jonas H.

Thanks to Hiro
and Marvyn for the Stina site...

Edited by
Jeff Keibel
Scarborough, ON
CANADA
redshift@interlog.com


Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 10:42:25 -0800
From: Dan Shubin (dans@europa.com)
Subject: Breeders hypnosis


Hi--
I have to express an opinion about the Breeders and the Paladins.  The
Breeders IMHO are one of the worst bands signed to major distribution.
They are unoriginal, out-of-tune and don't seem to have anything to
say.  Now, am I missing something or are Breeders fans under some
hypnotic spell because 4AD signed them?
 The Paladins?  Jeez, what a joke!  Take a listen to Stevie Ray Vaughn
and the Hellecasters and then tell me with a straight face that these
guys are serious creative musicians.  Another derivative, out-of-tune
waste of plastic and aluminum.
 I have an attitude about groups like this because Portland is full of
crap bands that get these glowing reviews...I see them live and they
don't even know the basics of playing their instuments!  Tell me, what
is the fascination with these shit bands when you have great bands like
Chimera, Rose Chronicles...or on the country roots side, Jr. Brown?  You
folks never mention these groups.  Do you just not know that these bands
exist?  Yes you can listen to all the 4AD stuff and still love American
roots or country.  But there is a distinction between 'musicians' and
people in bands that can hold up their instruments but not play them.
We used to call them poseurs and before that word, we just said
'fakes'.  What's the deal?  The Breeders and The Paladins are 'fakes'.

Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 20:29:40 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Peppermint Pig -- explained


I've been meaning to post this info for months now, so I've forgotten
some of the details...

Diana & I were paging through some mail-order catalog and came across ...
a peppermint pig! Yes, a little pink miniature pig made of chewy
peppermint candy. Apparently this is a traditional holiday confection
from someplace. I have no doubt that Elizabeth Fraser knows about this
(and perhaps eats them in secret, biting the little heads off first) and
that's where the name of the song came from.

If I could remember which catalog it was, we could all order peppermint
pigs and eat them with athol-brose chasers this Xmas. Cheers!

__________          ___________________          ________________________
Jens Alfke          Recovering C++ User          jens@apple.com     [work]
                                                 jens@mooseyard.com [play]

              Paget saw an Irish tooth, Sir, in a waste gap.
                                            _____________________________
                                            http://www.mooseyard.com/Jens/

Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 09:34:20 -0700
From: Jess Mangold (jman@SELWAY.UMT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe me!!!!


>Dear Loose Loser,
>        Fuck you and the magic carpet that you rode in on.  What business
>is it of yours if I subscribed or not.  The only thing that matters right
>now is that I want the fuck off of any mailing list that may include
>anyone as anal retentive as yourself.  Please do not bother me or clutter
>up my mailbox with your assinine comments, you triple doggy dick hormone.
>
>        Fuck you very much...Spot
>
>

Dear Maladjusted, Insecure Freak:

        The only reason I made your unsubscribing angst my business is
because you decided to make it everyone else's business with your immature
and boorish postings. If you had asked kindly for help, you probably would
have recieved it. But since you've decided to attack everyone on the list
(in addition to singling me out), you're gonna get flamed. It's the way it
works, Sparky. If you ask for directions by asking, "Could you kindly tell
me how to...", then you'll get results. If you say, "Hey you dick-sucking
'triple doggy dick hormone' motherfucker, tell me how to..", then you'll get
ignored at best, or popped in the head at worst.

        Love and Kisses,
                Jess

P.S. If you put as much energy as you spend being annoying and insulting
into something constructive or creative, you'll probably go pretty far.


Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 00:25:20 -0800
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG)" (gman2@SPRYNET.COM)
Subject: Asha Vida/Control Panel 02

A53051

>---> [spiral] spiralled off...

>if "pinion" is the single that you are refering to please do try to
>find it.. its a great flute crazy song drenched in reverb
>with falsetto vocals and tribal drums. amazing and soaring.
>asha vida are vastly underrated and are one of my big influences.

"pinion" is great - but...

nope - there's an earlier AV single, "Eskimo Summer"
it's pretty legendary - since AV claimed to be 'the fifth great band sinc=
e the
dawn of time'. . . that's pushing it a bit, but they ARE excellent. "eski=
mo
summer" is a very Pale Saintly bit of snowdrift dreampop which you'll wis=
h would
never ever end... the b-side, "stellar voices," breaks down into a three
part/five track experimental piece (think Faust's _The Faust Tapes_). how
wonderfully 'prog'! (:

AV is the starting point for F=FCxa's Ryan Anderson (bass), btw. Randall =
began in
the ill-fated Once Dreamt, which also featured Windy Weber and Carl Hultg=
ren.
Yes, them.

Rumor has it that AV have reformed and have a full-length due out shortly=
 on
Badabing! (label that issued Windy & Carl's _Portal_ and the brilliant Br=
ight
cd)... if you need even MORE Asha Vida (and who can blame ya?!), do track=
 down

ST JANUARIUS' BLOOD - Thrice (Burnt Hair 006) 7"
 much heavier - kind of like Sonic Youth/Dustdevils and some of those spl=
iffy
young Krautrock types (esp. Amon Duul II). a two-sided excerpt from a liv=
e 'jam'
at Zoots' Cafe. . . the full 3-hr(!!) performance has attained legendary =
status.
if only someone would release it in its entirety.
SJB is:
 C.B. Badynee (AKA "Craig Honeythroat") - AV's vocalist/guitarist
 Eric N. Pieti - one of AV's other guitarists
 Jesse T. Rafferty - AV's drummer
 Nathan L. Shafer - of ... ?
 Nicholas K. Sheren - (ditto)

KOMETEN MELODIES: VOLUME 1 (Audrey's Diary 005) 7"
 C.B. Badynee as "THUMBLING"
  - butterfield eight
  - once

i think this is my all-time fave 7". yes - that's mighty high praise.
"butterfield eight" IS perfection... tidal waves of Korg noise charring l=
ayers
of sticky-sweet (and high-as-a-kite) guitar-jangle to a crisp! "once" is =
a
minute of distracted loopiness, kind of like a stalled-on-the-tracks Broa=
dcast.
on the flipside, two more Sabine tracks. sounding very divinely inspired =
sounding like Bark Psychosis) - especially "meknes".
it's one of THE great tragedies of the 20th Century that there hasn't bee=
n a
"Kometen Melodies: Volume 2" yet. :-(

The Mighty and All-Powerful 'hk' informs me that all Audrey's Diary recor=
ds are
now unspeakably out-of-print. but do look for these high, low, and 'tween.
two absolute classic masterpieces. (somewhere 'hk' is smiling...)


in (un)related MI news...

CONTROL PANEL 02 - s/t 12" (Insignificant Records/Time Stereo)

Yo! This 'B' the Warren D flyboy posse, right?

if it is, it's the best thing DeFever's done since _Home Is In Your Head_=
!

Taking Goblin's electronic terror-film scores as a starting point (especi=
ally
_Suspense Transfer Hypnos_ (here known as _Beyond the Door 2_ and _Profon=
do
Rosso_), the a-side has beautifully Spoonfed Hybrid-like piano ripples, a=
 spare
snare skipping in the background, and sparse melting loops of one-fingere=
d
keyboard melody - reverbed from here to infinity. Bravo, Warren!
Closest analogue might be the HNIA track on _Ambient Extractions 2_ - wit=
h less
of a dance-beat. Though a very frail beat does emerge halfway through the=
 track.
Utterly enrapturing (adj - meaning 'would fit splendidly on the UK's Enra=
ptured
label).

 the
3-note piano phrase is retained, some Autechresque drum programming takes=
 the
forefront (the resulting shambolic construction is a dead-ringer for a 4-=
tracked
Disjecta!) - warbly Moog filaments intrude, bubbling away in perfectly co=
ntented
oblivion. The beats get more complex (music-box versions of Polygon Windo=
w?!),
some fuzz-noise (what would a DeFever production be without fuzz-noise???=
?) is
stirred in - dem beats start fibrillatin' like mofos, approach spacy Howi=
e B
territory, and finally burn themselves out... exiting 'stage-left' along =
with
that nagging and insistent piano loop.

sure restores my faith in the D-man after that lackluster HNIA album!
anyone else have thoughts on this.

GuerillaG
on now: 14 Iced Bears - _Wonder_


Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 20:25:38 -0800
From: Dan Shubin (dans@europa.com)
Subject: Re: Breeders hypnosis


Rick Tunnicliffe wrote:
>
> On Wed, 30 Oct 1996, Dan Shubin wrote:
>
> >  I have an attitude about groups like this because Portland is full of
> > crap bands that get these glowing reviews...I see them live and they
> > don't even know the basics of playing their instuments!
>
> This is such a non-point it beggars belief. It doesn't really matter if a
> band knows how to play their instruments or not, providing they create an
> interesting noise (qv Joy Division, JAMC, Seefeel etc).
>
You just illustrated an important point.  Let me amend my statement to
say "basics of VISION and IMAGINATION".  Do you personally understand
how historically significant the three bands you mentioned are to the
forward progession of 'our' kind of music?  Technical proficiency aside,
these bands changed our musical world.
My rant was provoked by cleaning thru dozens of posts on
Breeders/Paladins--even got me to listen to Paladins which should be the
vision of this list!  My point is why all this attention on
unimaginative bands?  About one third of all the posts were about B/P.
You might be able to suss out that I'm a guitar player and I have a band
and I really believe in my vision and imagination and it is very
different from what seems to be popular with bookers in clubs and a lot
of listys in '4AD'.  And I find that difficult to stomach.  One thing I
have to emphasize about being able to play and communicate in musical
language (proficiency)--these bands you mentioned did not go into the
studio and just bash out a bunch of crap and make history.  They KNEW
what they were doing, don't kid yourself.

Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 10:46:54 -0000
From: "Whittaker David (Exchange)" (WhittakerD@LOGICA.COM)
Subject: Re: sTiNa nordensTam


Don't forget the first album: "The Memory of a Colour," I think it was
called, and demonstrates how she appeared, almost fully formed, in her
unique style. That's not to say she's not moved on, and if anything the
later material seems even more subtle, and light of touch.

One of Scandinavia's best-kept secrets.

David

>----------
>
>STINA NORDENSTAM
>"Dynamite"
>Stockholm/east west
>0630-15605-2
>out now!
>
>Released this week in my corner of the world (Toronto, Canada) and
>already out in Europe is the new album from Stina Nordenstam.  It's
>called "Dynamite" and can be found on Telegram Records Stockholm/east
>west via Warner Music UK.

...etc...
>


Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 08:06:50 -0800
From: Elvia Maree Tarango (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: The pure-impure list (re-announcement)


Sorry to send this message via 4ad, but I am using Telnet. Your digest
version of the list isn't working. I haven't received one in weeks. The
one I did receive only had two messages, yet you stated that the ave.
messages received on your list is 5 per day. Can you please help. I look
forward to reading your list.

Fred Collins


On Mon, 28 Oct 1996, Jens Alfke wrote:

> Given the fast turnover on this list it's good to re-announce things
> periodically, so...
>
> I've started (with help from Jack Huynh) a new mailing list called
> "pure-impure" (name stolen from Seefeel.) It's a spinoff of this list,
> intended to cover music that mixes together elements of techno/ jungle/
> ambient/ ethereal/ shoegazer/ dreampop/ noise/ drone/ dub, the more the
> merrier. Seefeel, Laika, Flying Saucer Attack & spinoffs, Tricky,
> Underworld, Massive Attack, Stereolab, Tortoise, anything on Kranky or
> Thrill Jockey or VHF, et cetera. The labels "trip-hop" and "post-rock"
> have been used for these sounds but I don't necessarily endorse those
> names.
>
> For more info, see:
>
>     http://www.mooseyard.com/Jens/pure-impure/
>
> Traffic has been moderate (averaging about 5 posts a day, I think) with
> virtually no noise so far. See you there...
>
> Feel free to forward this announcement to other forums where you think it
> may be relevant.
>
> __________          ___________________          ________________________
> Jens Alfke          Recovering C++ User          jens@apple.com     [work]
>                                                  jens@mooseyard.com [play]
>
>       Goodnight stars   Goodnight air   Goodnight noises everywhere
>                                             _____________________________
>                                             http://www.mooseyard.com/Jens/
>

Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 06:56:29 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Re: Like a mad whore, I can't live at home in this world...


>For you 4ad-l-ers in the Toronto area, RHP&HNIA@LEE'S12/04.
>Woooooooo!!!


Let's hope RHP doesn't get cancelled this time.
(fingers crossed)

Steve

***********************************************************
You wanna see me? Know about me?
Look on this web page under Stevenn:

Atelier Design Communications
Steven Venn, b.f.a. - Graphic Designer
139 Golfclub Court, Richmond Hill,
Ontario, CANADA L4C 5E1

(905) 884-2601

"Listen pal, you can't just waltz in here, use my toaster
 and start spouting universal truths without qualification!"
                  -Jude from Hal Hartley's  "Surviving Desire"


Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 21:45:22 -0500
From: Kevin Duell (Mailists@AOL.COM)
Subject: Phone Scam


>
>>A new scam has been identified by the National Fraud Information
Center that
>>is costing victims BIG BUCKS!
>>
>>The scam works basically like this:
>>
>>You get home and notice that the message light is blinking on your
answering
>>machine.  You listen to the message, which has several variations, but
the
>>best one is the caller asks you to call a number beginning with area
code
>>809 to receive information about a family member who has been ill.
(They
>>may also tell you someone has been arrested, died, you have won a
wonderful
>>prize, etc.)
>>
>>In any event, concerned or curious, you make the call.  Sometimes the
phone
>>will be answered by a person who claims to speak broken English.
(The idea
>>is to keep you on the line to build up charges.)  Or, sometimes you will
>>just get a long recorded message.  The bottom lines is, when your
phone bill
>>comes, you see this incredible charge, oftentimes more than $100.00
dollars!
>>
>>Crooks are using the 809 numbers as "pay-per-calls" and to get
around the US
>>Regulations and 900 number blocking.  Every time you call the number,
they
>>get a greatly inflated rebate from the foreign phone company.  Since
the 809
>>numbers are in the Caribbean, they aren't bound by US 900#
regulations that
>>require them to warn you of the charge and rate involved, and also to
>>provide a time period during which you may terminate the call without
being
>>charged.
>>
>>The newest twist to this scam is to page people using the 809
numbers.  With
>>the new area code changes, people unknowingly are returning these
calls.
>> When the bill comes, there are HUGE charges for the calls.
>>
>>It is suggested that no matter how you get the message, if you are
asked to
>>call a number with an 809 area code that you don't recognize,  DON'T
RETURN
>>THE CALL!  It's bad enough that the criminal is invading your privacy,
don't
>>let them invade you wallet as well!
>>
>>Scams of this type are extremely hard to prosecute and since you did
>>actually make the call, neither your local phone company or your long
>>distance carrier will want to get involved.  They'll tell you that they are
>>simply providing the billing for the foreign company.  You end up trying
to
>>deal (over the phone) with a foreign company that feels they have
done no
>>wrong.  It can turn into a real nightmare!
>>
>>Mark E. Dunham
>>Propagation and Radio Sciences Team
>>Non-Proliferation & International Security Division
>>Los Alamos National Laboratory


Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:07:38 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Breeders hypnosis


If you dont like the Breeders then its your loss. Yes they are derivative
and slightly out of tune. But that's part of the point. I would say their
mystique is far from due to their 4AD status as it is due to the
overwhelming personality of Kim Deal. But again, if you don't like her,
then your not gonna like the Breeders. ..
Boy, I bet if you feel this strongly about the Breeders, you must REALLY
hate the Amps... ?


Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:00:34 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Breeders


Does anybody know what is up with the Breeders "Head to Toe" 12"?
what are these songs and where did they come from?


Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 08:43:18 -0500
From: Theresa Clay (EVOLGYRL3@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Peppermint Pig -- explained


>>If I could remember which catalog it was, we could all order peppermint
>>pigs and eat them with athol-brose chasers this Xmas. Cheers!

the catalog from which this item may be ordered is called SIGNALS
(1-800-669-9696) and that friggin pig costs $14.95!!!

-theresa
******************************************************
"the dead are implicated, implied but never stated... carve me out those
other words to live by"


Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 13:42:43 EST
From: "Steven Hipkiss." (sah577@VMS1.BHAM.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Breeders hypnosis (+ some poss. nonlisty)


  Does your dislike of Breeders extend to the other bands that
individual members have been in, ie, Throwing Muses, Belly,
Pixies, Amps, Kelley Deal 6000, Perfect Disaster and honey
Tongue, or jus the ones where they have made the majority
input? Just curious.

  On another note the Stone Roses split up on Wed. 30 Oct.
Mani has joined Primal Scream and the others will work together
probably under a different name. Thought it may be of general
interest to people who haven't heard.

Steve.
s.a.hipkiss@bham.ac.uk


Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 13:55:47 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: airing Labradford's/Asha Vida


Spiral wrote:

>> ...also see if you can get the first Asha Vida 7" while yer at it!
>
>ah yes. i was waiting for someone to finally mention
>asha vida... being as im from around here i figure it
>wouldnt be taken seriously (ala godzuki.).
>asha vida are are great band (from michigan)
>with a psychadelic/space rock flavor. if "pinion" is
>the single that you are refering to please do try to
>find it..

'Pinion' is the split 7" with Godzuki, on Binausic. The Audrey's Diary 7" is
'Eskimo Summer'/Stellar Voices'. Do try to find both...

This is, I think, all I have by Asha Vida. Did they do anyting else?

Frank
+++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pi.net
+++++++++++++++


Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 08:32:55 -0800
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Tortoise 7"


Speaking of Tortoise, there's a new 7" out...but it's not on Thrill Jockey.
I forgot the details; just saw it briefly at the shop...

(Will 4AD-L break the 500 mark?)

t h e   m y s t e r y   p a r a d e
{ceci n'est pas une web site}


Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 12:14:27 -0500
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: His Name Is Alive


Warren and crew will be going out with none other thatn the Red House
Painters.  there are not lots of dates, but we are busy planning a tour for
January where HNIA will headline.

Nov 21     State Theatre    St. Petersburg
Nov 22     Firestone           Orlando
Nov 24     Smith's              Atlanta
Nov 25     Fat City              Charlotte
Nov 27     Westbeth            NYC
Nov 29     Black Cat            DC
Dec 1       Mama Kin            Boston
Dec 3       Grog Shop           Cleveland
Dec 4       Lee's Palace       Toronto
Dec 5       Double Door        Chicago

Hope to see you there

Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 22:20:41 +0000
From: starlite walker (ma6so@BATH.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: sTina nordensTam


excuse me but i was just wondering how two whole people had managed to
talk about the wonderous stina nordenstam without mentioning 'little
star'. this song is the summeriest summery summer song ever written and
its easily the best thing she has done (along with 'another story girl',
if you don't own it then buy it now, YOU NEED THIS TRACK. can't wait to
hear the new album (about time too).


Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 20:36:50 -0500
From: bent crayon (bcrayon@BENTCRAYON.COM)
Subject: 4ad vinyl for sale


Hello, i'm eliminating some vinyl in my collection so i'll dish the
following off:
all in excellent cond:

xymox-clan of xymox lp $10
amps-tipp city 12" $5
heidi berry-love lp $10
amps-pacer lp $8
spirea x-speed reaction 12 $5
lush-lovelife lp in clear jacket and clear vinyl  $12
scheer-schism ep $6


john/c
bcrayon@nacs.net

Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 23:43:02 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: More Carnage Visors...


For those of you who want to see some of the puppets from the Carnage
Visors film...

I have taken some QuickCam images from the cure's carnage visors booklet
and placed them on a temporary web page...




Emiel Efdee
...
the Netherlands, October 31, 1996
... efdee@luna.nl


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