Subject: Re: labradford & Carnegie Visors
Subject: Re: labradford & Carnegie Visors
Subject: Re: deal in mexico
Subject: Pre-4AD Paladins album info
Subject: Re: question about pale saints...
Subject: Re: Breeders/Icelanders/REM
Subject: Gus Gus
Subject: musician-finding
Subject: Re: Carnage Visors [not thislisty, not kiss]
Subject: Re: My Hour of Power on CBC Stereo - Satellite Info
Subject: Re: Can't we move this list?
Subject: new tunes...
Subject: Gus Gus
Subject: gusx2
Subject: Virginia Astley
Subject: New LSD album?
Subject: Re: New LSD album?
Subject: Re: labradford & Carnegie Visors
Subject: Re: KISS my bum (Lush) - Lababrador or something
Subject: Re: labradford & Carnegie Visors
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 20:45:27 -0800
> >PS: Is "Carnage Visors" available on CD? The only copy I know of is the
> >b-side of the original cassette release of "Faith", which a friend of
> >mine has.
>
> 'Carnegie Visors' is a 27-minute instrumental used as a soundtrack for a
> film that was played before Cure gigs back in '81, and has not (as far as I
> know) been released on CD yet - the only release that I know of is the
> B-side of the 'Faith' tape as you mentioned.
It's on a bootleg cd called "Carnage Visors/Curiosity Anomalies" which is
quite nice since, as the title suggests, also includes the Curiosity half
of the Concert & Curiosity tape. The cd is very hard to find now though.
I sold mine eariler this year and at least 30 people wanted it. Too bad I
only had one!
Labradford/Carnage Visors comparison: Labradford is much weirder than the
Cure ever was, in my opinion. Even the lyrics, when you can make them
out, are waaay out there. nothing wrong with that though.
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 21:13:46 -0600
i'm confused (and a bit drunk) but isn't it
'carnage visors"?, as in dead stuff?
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 12:34:03 -0600
I'm new and sorry for writing in spanish.. but my messages get bounced
back when I try to reach her privately:
A quien mas han conseguido para tocar en Roxy? Estuvo Dead can Dance en
Guadalajara ahora que vinieron? Si tienes el cd de The Amps ahi debe venir
la direccion del manager de Kim.
Si consigues algo me avisas porfavor, me lanzo a verla con su grupo nuevo.
Luisa en Irapuato Gto.
>howdy guys
>
>i wonder if any of you know how to contact kim deal, because at roxy
>guadalajara we want to have her playing here, notice it is no joke.
>
>thanks
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>edith plascencia
>[email protected]
>
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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 11:38:53 -0800
You're familiar with Charlemagne? King of France? Holy Roman Emperor?
Well, the king kept an entourage of 12 legendary knights, called
"paladins," who were to be "determined advocates of a noble cause,"
namely, the advancement of the big guy and his territory. The Paladins
from San Diego answer to no man, but they are certainly determined,
playing some 200 road dates a year, and their cause is surely noble --
they deliver sweaty roadhouse blues, expressed in roots-rock songs about
girls and cars, the eternal verities of American pop music.
Singer and guitarist Dave Gonzalez, who has often been compared to
Stevie Ray Vaughan, formed the band in the '70s with his high school
pal, stand-up and electric bass player Tom Yearsley. Primarily a
rockabilly outfit in their early days, the Paladins' exuberant live
shows quickly gained them a loyal following in Southern California. As
they expanded their range of styles to include the blues, swing and R&B,
the Paladins began collaborating with L.A. artists like the Blasters, X
and Los Lobos, as well as with Kim Wilson of the Fabulous Thunderbirds.
For Ticket Home, Gonzalez and Yearsley have added drummer Jeff Donavan,
formerly of the Dwight Yoakam band, to the mix.
>From the Stevie Ray-style "One Step" to the rootsy title track to the
tender "Comfort You," Ticket Home is the work of seasoned vets who've
retained the energy of young pups.
from Grooves
(c) Time Life Inc.
Jeff Keibel
Scarborough, ON
CANADA
[email protected]
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 13:38:31 EST
---from Luis B. Abcede:
> Everything pre-In Ribbons:
>
> Children Break on flexi (RARE)
> Barging into the Presence of God EP
> Comforts of Madness (LP)
> Half-Life EP
> Flesh Balloon EP
> Mrs. Dolphin (LP)
>
> All of those are fairly easy to find one the web with exception to the
flexi.
I know most of you might already know this, but for the uninitiated...the
first two EPs ("Barging" and "Half-life") are now out of print, but are
available on _Mrs._Dolphin_, which is a Japanese-only compilation that
also adds an otherwise-unreleased song ("Colours and Shapes"), a just
barely remixed version of a song from the first album ("A Deeper Sleep
for Steven"), and a song that was only available hidden on the vinyl of
"Half-life" ("The Colour of the Sky" - drummer Chris Cooper retelling a
dream over an eerie musical backing). And how's THAT for a run-on
sentence?
---Jeremy Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 21:24:18 +0000
> >As the safari ep was released in 1982, two years after pod
>
> I had no idea the Breeders had been around that long...
oops, my mistake--I hit the 8 when I meant to hit the 9. Safari came
out in 1992; thus Pod in 1990.
>
> >, and has
> >no repeat tracks associated with pod i'm not really sure where you
> >get that idea. Aside from the fact that Tanya was still in the band
> >when this stuff was recorded I don't particularly see this version of
> >"do you love me now" as being particularly "Donneley-ized". It is,
> >however, better than any of the other versions
>
> Where do the other versions appear?
One version is on the album Last Splash, while "do you love me now
jr" is the last track on the Divine Hammer ep.--jr being because j.
mascis plays or sings or something on it.
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 13:09:15 -0800
The latest signing from 4AD, Gus Gus, are a collective of artists,
musicians, filmakers, photographers, actors and more. The are from
Reykjavik, Iceland, a city with 100,000 persons, many of which are
extremely creative, thus a collective like Gus Gus. The collective has
nine members, each of which plays a crucial point in all the group's
actions. Their debut release on 4AD, an EP entitled "Polyesterday", is
out now and available on 12" (BAD6013) and CD (BAD6013CD). Gus Gus will
also release a full-length album early next year on 4AD.
Gus Gus
Behind The Scenes
STEPH
-------------------------------------------------------------------
-photographer
-cinematographer
-visual artist
Runs Elf19, Reykjavik's finest purveyor of vinyl dance music
with DJ
Agzilla). A unique mixture of backbeats and romance has made Steph
Herr Legowitz's favorite DJ. He is a great admirer of neck warmers.
DANIEL AGUST
------------------------------------------------------------
-singer
-songwriter
-actor
Former ski-maniac and ameteur sports freak. Has been in
successful Icelandic bands for nearly a decade. Previous band
Nydonsk broke up two years ago after eight years of piling up gold
records. Since then he has performed in musicals and plays in the
Icelandic National Theatre and City Theatre of Reykjavik. He has two
albums by other artists and also lends his voice to cartoon voiceove
work (including dubbing Top Cat's Benny into Icelandic).
BIGGI THORARINSSON
------------------------------------------------------
-musician
-computer programmer
Currently working on OZ Virtual, the 3-D internet browser. He
discovered music late at age 16 when he instantly fell in love with
Sylvester (and other Hi-NRG acts) which led him to Visage, Depeche
ode
and Marc Almond. He is previously known for his work as half of
underground ambient-house group T-World, which he formed in the la
e
eighties with DJ Herr Legowitz.
MAGNUS JONSSON
----------------------------------------------------------
-singer
-songwriter
-actor
Magnus loves California and often performs onstage as a
omosexual.
Infact, he is a former drag queen. Few Icelandic actors have
performed onstage as homosexuals more often. He is the former lead
singer of sentimental rock band The Silvertones. He adores James
ond
and was once brutally killed in a Hollywood viking B-movie.
HERR LEGOWITZ
-----------------------------------------------------------
-musician
-DJ
Also known as Maggi Lego, Herr is Iceland's most celebrated DJ.
e is
the owner of the country's largest vinyl record collection. A master
of
synth trading, he loves only his girlfriend more than his fast cars.
Herr contributed the special remixing effort on "Cold Breath '79" from
the Gus Gus EP "Polyesterday".
HAFDIS HULD
-------------------------------------------------------------
-singer
-songwriter
-actress
-dancer
Hafdis has been dancing, acting and singing onstage since the age
of
four, encouraged by her lorry driving parents from Kopavogur. She sang
with several bands before Gus Gus (including hard rock band Shark
Remover). She performs in theatre and film. She is loved and admire
by the youth of her home town for being the most entertaining Sunday
school teacher at the local church.
SEFAN ARNI
--------------------------------------------------------------
-filmaker
-director
-writer
Sefan is also a glider pilot and a philosophy dropout. He makes
videos and documentaries with his brother (also in Gus Gus) Siggi
Kjartansson as the visual duo of Kjol & Anderson. Growing up in a
print shop, he familiarised himself with graphic design and various
photographic techniques. He discovered an untapped passion for acti
g
during the shooting of the latest Gus Gus film "Polyesterday".
SIGGI KJARTANSSON
-------------------------------------------------------
-filmaker
-director
-writer
-songwriter
Siggi has an eye for detail. He is a former breakdancing
lementary
school teacher and founded the multi award-winning film production
company Kjol & Anderson with his brother Sefan. He is also a
professional liar. Manchmal Gus Gus gut!
BALDUR STEFANSSON
-------------------------------------------------------
-Director of Financial Arts (DFA)
-manager
-film producer
Baldur is also a controversial activist and once Iceland's most
promising young political candidate. He is the son of the director
of
the Icelandic National Theatre. He has tried desperately all his life
not to become involved with any artistic activities, but failed,
nd is
now in overdrive at the helm of Gus Gus.
written by Kjol & Anderson - 1996
posted by
Jeff Keibel
Scarborough, ON
CANADA
[email protected]
(Thanks R.H.!)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 23:53:33 -0800
[email protected], [email protected],
[email protected], [email protected], funky-music
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 21:51:39 -0600
Carnage Visors appears on a bootleg Cure CD called "The Complete B-Sides
Collection 1979-1989". CV is followed by all of the cassette b-sides from
"Standing on a Beach", plus "Pillbox Tales", "Do the Hansa", and "Late"
to bring the singles up to 1989. 76 minutes in length. Cost was approx.
$30 at Technophilia here in Austin, and it's worth every cent to me.
John, who recommends the totally unrelated film "Wallace and Gromit: The
Best of Aardman Animation"
On Tue, 29 Oct 1996, Geoffrey Elgey wrote:
> At 08:56 PM 10/27/96 -0700, you wrote:
> >Geoff,
> >
> >>Having never heard Labradford before, my immediate
> >>impression was that it was a *very* similar to the Cure's 'Carnegie Visors'
> >>- all that funereal keyboards, echo-laden guitar, etc. Very good stuff.
> >
> >Ha! That was my exact impression too, and I'm glad someone else came to
> >it independently. Their first album doesn't have any bass guitar but is
> >also brilliant, although some of it is a lot more ambient/droney than
> >anything on the 2nd. Well worth getting.
> >
> >--Jens
> >
> >PS: Is "Carnage Visors" available on CD? The only copy I know of is the
> >b-side of the original cassette release of "Faith", which a friend of
> >mine has.
>
> 'Carnegie Visors' is a 27-minute instrumental used as a soundtrack for a
> film that was played before Cure gigs back in '81, and has not (as far as I
> know) been released on CD yet - the only release that I know of is the
> B-side of the 'Faith' tape as you mentioned.
>
> There are rumours that the Cure will be releasing an official B-sides
> compilation CD next year, and even more rumours that there will be a
> limited-edition version of this rumoured compilation, which would include
> 'Carnegie Visors'. I can't offer any confirmation of this though. *My*
> suspicion is that the Cure will probably do something similar to ' Staring
> At The Sea/Standing On A Beach' - ie, have a 'singles' compilation that
> includes all the B-sides on the cassette release only.
>
> However, I would dearly love to get a copy of 'Carnegie Visors' on CD - or
> any copy at all actually. I've only heard it once, and that was listening to
> a friend's tape about 5 years ago. Suffice to say that if you like
> Labradford, you will *love* 'Carnegie Visors'.
>
> Cheers,
> Geoff
>
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 01:46:19 -0500
Hey ya'll...
Sorry i'm late in replying to this,.. but Steven, i just ran across your
Hour of Power listing on the CBC Nightlines website tonite and found it
interesting. I'm only sorry I had missed it. I have also found out that you
can receive Nightlines broadcast via Real Audio! This is great news to me!
Here's the playlist from the website
Nightlines playlists link)
HOUR OF POWER
Steven Venn of Richmond Hill, Ontario
CD 1 CHLORINE DREAM - SPIREA X 4:18 C
beattie 4AD BAD 1004 CD
CD 7 FEED ME WITH YOUR KISS - MY BLOODY VALENTINE 3:53 C
Isn't Anything shields sire/warners CDW 45231
CD 1 SUPER-ELECTRIC - STEREOLAB 5:19 D
Switched On gane,sadier slumberland 22
CD 11 THE CHILDCATCHER - LUSH 3:13 C
Lovelife berenyi 4AD 76974 2080 2
CD 8 BABYMAKER - PALE SAINTS 3:19 C
In Ribbons pale saints 4AD 512 246-2
CD 1 LOVE SONGS ON THE RADIO - MOJAVE 3 5:45 C
Ask Me Tomorrow halstead 4AD CAD 5013CD
CD 2 BLUE FLOWER - MAZZY STAR 3:32 C
She Hangs Brightly blegvad,more rough trade RTCD149
CD 2 BLUE FLOWER - PALE SAINTS 4:22 C
blegvad,more 4AD BAD 2008 CD
LP 1/4 ORPHEUS - DAVID SYLVIAN 4:46
Secrets Of The Beehive sylvian virgin VL 2471
LP 1/3 IVY & NEET - THIS MORTAL COIL 4:48
Filigree & Shadow raymonde restless RPRO 056
CD 2 FROM A MOTEL 6 - YO LA TENGO 4:08 D
Painful hubley,kaplan matador 92298-2
CD 4 JOCKEY FULL OF BOURBON - TOM WAITS 2:45
Rain Dogs waits island CIDM 131
>
>CbcStereoFM Stations will be airing my "Hour of Power" in Canada
>tonight Friday October 18 approx 11-1am EST.
>
>***********************************************************
>You wanna see me? Know about me?
>Look on this web page under Stevenn:
>
>Atelier Design Communications
>Steven Venn, b.f.a. - Graphic Designer
>139 Golfclub Court, Richmond Hill,
>Ontario, CANADA L4C 5E1
>
_________________________________________________________________
******* Hookd awn fonicks reelie wurked fer me. ***********
---negativzero
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 00:42:14 EST
---from Jens Alfke (whom I also mistakenly thought was the moderator):
> It seems pretty blindingly obvious that we really need a list admin...
We need a > "welcome" message sent to new subscribers, we need an admin
to watch for the
> inevitable 'unsubscribe me' messages and take care of them...
---from that guy:
> i'm new to this list and i did not receive any info on what was
discussed until after i
> asked the question. most mailing lists that i'm on sends me some info
on the list
> right after i subscribe.
Over this past weekend, I resubscribed to the list after being off since
February. And when I did, I got the same welcome message that I got each
time before, which clearly details the instructions for all sorts of
things, including unsubscribing yourself.
But it's also stupid to get worked up over this and waste time by writing
about it. As long as these mailing lists go on, there's always going to
be at least one asshole who would rather annoy the other listmembers with
his or her drivel rather than expending the energy and thought required
to find where he or she saved the FAQ (presuming he or she saved it at
all, which is doubtful). Just ignore them.
---Jeremy
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 23:53:37 -0600
gus gus: polyesterday...
proof that ivo does occasionally, "snap out of it" and sign good bands...i
got this four track cdep in the mail last week and have been groovin' to it
ever since. the titletrack appears in three forms on the disc, which can
sometimes be annoying, but the remixes are really good on this one...the
original (?) version, track 1 reminds me a lot of a simplified mouse on
mars, with vocals...umm...ok, that doesn't sound much like mouse on mars --
what i mean is really entrancing beats, weird noises and loops (fewer than
MoM) -- throw in a funky-sounding guitar and some borderline adult-contemp
(they GROW ON YOU!) vocals, and you've got a pretty decent song...track 3
is basically a tripped out remix of this -- more suitable for the dance
floor -- track 4 is an instrumental version that pretty much kicks ass,
too. the second track (due to v23 artwork, i have yet to figure out the
title) is the gem of the disc. vocals are different from the male vox on
the title...a female bjork-meets-portishead sort of approach...beats are
more subtle, guitar is bassier (not funky) -- it's really cool...this ep is
worth the price -- pick it up...
a bit mediocre -- dean wareham is starting to sound older and older with
each release -- for some reason i can see him still doing the same schtick
in 20 years, playing small clubs headlining for cult favorites and getting
torn to shreds by young music reviewers who don't appreciate his past glory
(much like my experience at a john cale/ red house painters show
recently...)
anyway, back to the ep...
three tracks from a radio session and one track from a soundtrack...finally
folks at the rekkid companies are starting to remember how to assemble eps
again...season of the witch, as most of you probably know, is a cover, and
i can thus feel comfortable that luna are not stealing riffs from tracy
chapman, but that she is stealing them from donovan leitch (this joke, of
course, is lost on anyone not familiar with this song -- having alienated
half the list, i continue...) it's a decent song, but not among the best
luna have done...much the same can be said of the rest of the ep -- it's
good, but not essential...the serious luna/dean wareham fan will dig it
(and i've grown to like it with each listen), but it really isn't anything
new (and it doesn't doesn't rank as highly as "lunapark" and "bonnie and
clyde," imo), and dean's starting to show his age a bit (something about
the track, "indian summer," conjures up images of an older dean...)
i'm tired of this review thing, now...i still have a lot of rambling and
reviewing left to do, but i'll save it for another time...i'll post a
review of the new scala cd to the pure-impure list in the next couple of
days (i would have forwarded the gus gus one to that list, but i think most
or all of the people on that list are still on this one...) also, i'm
interviewing david gedge from the wedding present this week, so if anyone
has any questions they'd like me to ask him, send 'em on in! and check out
the new lp. the last track, "'50s," features a really dreamy, tripped out
guitar piece that feels like it was recorded in the '50s (hence the title)
g'night,
BiZ, who saw flash gordon for the first time in a decade over the weekend
-- gotta love that queen soundtrack! :)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 01:49:31 -0800
Gus Gus, not to be confused with another label's singular Gus...
The latest signing from 4AD, Gus Gus, are a collective of artists,
musicians, filmakers, photographers, actors and more. The are from
Reykjavik, Iceland, a city with 100,000 persons, many of which are
extremely creative, thus a collective like Gus Gus. The collective has
nine members, each of which plays a crucial point in all the group's
actions. Their debut release on 4AD, an EP entitled "Polyesterday", is
out now and available on 12" (BAD6013) and CD (BAD6013CD). Gus Gus will
also release a full-length album early next year on 4AD.
Gus Gus
Behind The Scenes
STEPH
-photographer
-cinematographer
-visual artist
Runs Elf19, Reykjavik's finest purveyor of vinyl dance music (with DJ
Agzilla). A unique mixture of backbeats and romance has made Steph Herr
Legowitz's favorite DJ. He is a great admirer of neck warmers.
DANIEL AGUST
-singer
-songwriter
-actor
Former ski-maniac and amateur sports freak. Has been in successful
Icelandic bands for nearly a decade. Previous band Nydonsk broke up
two years ago after eight years of piling up gold records. Since then
he has performed in musicals and plays in the Icelandic National Theatre
and City Theatre of Reykjavik. He has two albums by other artists and
also lends his voice to cartoon voiceover work (including dubbing Top
Cat's Benny into Icelandic).
BIGGI THORARINSSON
-musician
-computer programmer
Currently working on OZ Virtual, the 3-D internet browser. He
discovered music late at age 16 when he instantly fell in love with
Sylvester (and other Hi-NRG acts) which led him to Visage, Depeche Mode
and Marc Almond. He is previously known for his work as half of
underground ambient-house group T-World, which he formed in the late
eighties with DJ Herr Legowitz.
MAGNUS JONSSON
-singer
-songwriter
-actor
Magnus loves California and often performs onstage as a homosexual. In
fact, he is a former drag queen. Few Icelandic actors have performed
onstage as homosexuals more often. He is the former lead singer of
sentimental rock band The Silvertones. He adores James Bond and was
once brutally killed in a Hollywood viking B-movie.
HERR LEGOWITZ
-musician
-DJ
Also known as Maggi Lego, Herr is Iceland's most celebrated DJ. He is
the owner of the country's largest vinyl record collection. A master of
synth trading, he loves only his girlfriend more than his fast cars.
Herr contributed the special remixing effort on "Cold Breath '79" from
the Gus Gus EP "Polyesterday".
HAFDIS HULD
-singer
-songwriter
-actress
-dancer
Hafdis has been dancing, acting and singing onstage since the age of
four, encouraged by her lorry driving parents from Kopavogur. She sang
with several bands before Gus Gus (including hard rock band Shark
Remover). She performs in theatre and film. She is loved and admired
by the youth of her home town for being the most entertaining Sunday
school teacher at the local church.
SEFAN ARNI
-filmaker
-director
-writer
Sefan is also a glider pilot and a philosophy dropout. He makes videos
and documentaries with his brother (also in Gus Gus) Siggi Kjartansson
as the visual duo of Kjol & Anderson. Growing up in a print shop, he
familiarised himself with graphic design and various photographic
techniques. He discovered an untapped passion for acting during the
shooting of the latest Gus Gus film "Polyesterday".
SIGGI KJARTANSSON
-filmaker
-director
-writer
-songwriter
Siggi has an eye for detail. He is a former breakdancing elementary
school teacher and founded the multi award-winning film production
company Kjol & Anderson with his brother Sefan. He is also a
professional liar. Manchmal Gus Gus gut!
BALDUR STEFANSSON
-Director of Financial Arts (DFA)
-manager
-film producer
Baldur is also a controversial activist and once Iceland's most
promising young political candidate. He is the son of the director of
the Icelandic National Theatre. He has tried desperately all his life
not to become involved with any artistic activities, but failed, and is
now in overdrive at the helm of Gus Gus.
written by Kjol & Anderson - 1996
posted by
Jeff Keibel
Scarborough, ON
CANADA
[email protected]
reposted because of
an apparent format error
in the original post.
Sorry to those whose
who couldn't read first
version due to words
getting cut off at sides
of your computer screen.
Hopefully this worked!
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 00:52:52 -0600
hey jeff!!
it's oscar, your not-as-obsessive-as-you-yet-can-totally-relate 4ad fan. the
store i bought GUS1 (chocolate 12"/EP/whatever it is) still has some left.
do u want one still?
let me know,
oteran
[email protected]
---------------------------------------
"I know what I like, and I like Fritos"
Reba McEntire
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Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 07:15:47 -0500
Can anyone tell me a little about Virginia Astley? and why is her
music so hard to find?
Thanks
Timothy
TIM CONLON
[email protected]
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 15:07:24 -0500
Would anybody know if the new LSD album is out and, if so, is it is good?
Any info, comments, opinions would be appreciated.
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 12:34:32 -0800
> Would anybody know if the new LSD album is out and, if so, is it is good?
> Any info, comments, opinions would be appreciated.
It's out and called "Ever". It's wonderful! Their best
one yet. Lots of variety, from 'traditional' LSD to
more Slowdive 'Pygmalion' type sounds. Very, very good.
I'll have more to say after I replace my copy that
I gave away as a birthday present.
Brant
| Dewdrops Records | Splashed With Many A Speck |
| 12515 Pacific Ave. #106 | A Dewdrops Compilation |
| Los Angeles, CA 90066 | Winter 1997 |
| www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html |
> Uncommon music that deserves to be heard <
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 17:39:40 -0600
>i'm confused (and a bit drunk) but isn't it
>'carnage visors"?, as in dead stuff?
>
you're right, it's "carnage" NOT "Carnegie" as in "Carnegie Hall"