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Subject: Re: KISS my bum (Lush) - Lababrador or something
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 19:05:15 -0800
From: nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Re: Breathless and CLM/Dr. Death
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 23:21:26 -0600
From: nrbyram@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU
Subject: How to use this list
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 19:58:27 -0800
From: Dan Shubin (dans@europa.com)
Subject: Re: Weddoes
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 00:27:08 -0600
From: Matthew T De Bellis (mdebelli@SHRIKE.DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: Breathless discography...
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 23:39:43 -0700
From: Brandon Capps (bcapps@PRIMENET.COM)
Subject: a good ol' question about the pale saints...
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 00:13:02 -0700
From: ".mark." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Re: labradford & RHP single?
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 16:46:28 +0000
From: Geoffrey Elgey (elgey@FIT.QUT.EDU.AU)
Subject: Re: Lababrador or something
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 09:21:30 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Greeting
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 04:23:46 -0400
From: Music Man (BARKSDALE_EK%DV@CORNING.COM)
Subject: Re: Greeting
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 04:27:27 -0400
From: Music Man (BARKSDALE_EK%DV@CORNING.COM)
Subject: Re: a good ol' question about the pale saints...
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 07:13:27 -0600
From: "Luis B. Abcede" (st5sd@JETSON.UH.EDU)
Subject: Orange and Sonya Waters
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 08:11:00 EST
From: CALLAHAN (CALLAHAN%DIALOGVM@MCIMAIL.COM)
Subject: Re: Breeders/Icelanders/REM
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 09:17:59 +0000
From: moran@hal-pc.org
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe me!!!!
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 11:22:04 PST
From: Tom Weibrecht (tweibrecht@JUNO.COM)
Subject: DCD single?
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 12:18:29 -0500
From: Christian Grigis (cgrigis@BLACKNTAN.CGISYSTEMS.COM)
Subject: Re: RHP single?
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 12:37:14 -0500
From: Matt Walburn/Summer Holiday (mdwalbur@STUDENT.BERKLEE.EDU)
Subject: Re: superdrag
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 22:31:42 +0200
From: Yair Movshovitz (yair-m@USA.NET)
Subject: Can't we move this list?
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 21:15:04 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@APPLE.COM)
Subject: Kiss =/= 4AD
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 23:02:15 -0500
From: stereolad (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: labradford & Carnegie Visors
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 07:12:03 +0000
From: Geoffrey Elgey (elgey@FIT.QUT.EDU.AU)
Subject: Re: Can't we move this list?
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 15:46:44 -0600
From: Chad Dorton (slr4s@CC.USU.EDU)
Subject: Re: nature of the troll (was: NOT an apology)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 16:44:35 -0800
From: Strick9 (beswick@scf-fs.usc.edu)

Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 19:05:15 -0800
From: nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Re: KISS my bum (Lush) - Lababrador or something


> There was also on 120 minutes this band at the end of the show called
> Rollerskate Skinny. Stupid name but the song was amazing are they new?

What song? "Speed To My Side"?
They're far from a new band, with two albums and two 10"
out. They're most recent is my favorite album so far
this year. Incredible!

|    Dewdrops Records     | Splashed With Many A Speck |
| 12515 Pacific Ave. #106 |   A Dewdrops Compilation   |
|  Los Angeles, CA 90066  |        Winter 1997         |
|   www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html   |

      > Uncommon music that deserves to be heard <


Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 23:21:26 -0600
From: nrbyram@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU
Subject: Re: Breathless and CLM/Dr. Death


Also, Dr. Death Vol. 6 has "Over and Over."  BTW--Volume 2 doesn't exist;
the second one is listed as Vol. 3.  No clue as to why....Anyone know?



>>they also
>>had a couple of tracks that appeared on compilations ('All My Eye & Betty
>>Martin' on the second Dr. Death / C'est La Mort comp
>
>I believe this appeared on the *first* Dr. Death comp, which also featured
>an early version of Throwing Muses' "Fish."
>
>t h e   m y s t e r y   p a r a d e
>{ceci n'est pas une web site}
>

Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 19:58:27 -0800
From: Dan Shubin (dans@europa.com)
Subject: How to use this list


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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 00:27:08 -0600
From: Matthew T De Bellis (mdebelli@SHRIKE.DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Weddoes


can't wait to see them here in Chicago with VERSUS!!! woo hoo!!


Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 23:39:43 -0700
From: Brandon Capps (bcapps@PRIMENET.COM)
Subject: Breathless discography...


**BREATH 1 Waterland/Second Heaven 7" single
> BREATH 2 Ageless/A new chapter/Fallen dreams EP
> BREATH 3 Two Days From Eden EP
> BREATH 4 The Glass Bed Game LP
> BREATH 5 Nailing Colours To The Wheel EP
> BREATH 6 Three Times And Waving LP
> BREATH CD7 Chasing Promises CD/LP
> BREATH 8 I Never Know Where You Are EP
> BREATH 9 Always/Flowers Die 12" EP and 7" single
**BREATH 10 Between Happiness and Heartache LP/CD
**BREATH 11 Over and Over  CDEP
**BREATH 12 Don't Just Disappear CDEP
**BREATH 13 Heartburst (best of) CD
**BREATH 14 t.b.a.  CD (out soon...please)

here's the 'complete' Breathless discography as far as i know.  they also
had a couple of tracks that appeared on compilations ('All My Eye & Betty
Martin' on the second Dr. Death / C'est La Mort comp and the radio edit of
'I Never Know Where You Are' on the Italian comp/magazine Sonora).  If
anyone is interested in purchasing any Breathless titles, i carry the
majority of them in IPR Mailorder's stock.  write me privately for
details.   bcapps@primenet.com






~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
                             brandon capps
                             p.o. box 1483
                            tempe, az 85280
                                 u.s.a.
                           bcapps@primenet.com
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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 00:13:02 -0700
From: ".mark." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: a good ol' question about the pale saints...


hi all...

recent weeks has me avidly listening to anything ian masters has ever
touched.  so, i'm just curious what pre-'In Ribbons' pale saints is still
available on vinyl or cd via 4ad-uk mailorder.  don't worry yourself with
what i've already got...just list it all.

thankslots...
mrk

.
mrk (vonminde@rtt.colorado.edu)
.


Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 16:46:28 +0000
From: Geoffrey Elgey (elgey@FIT.QUT.EDU.AU)
Subject: Re: labradford & RHP single?


>>     I was in the record store the other day and they were playing a cd
>> by a band/group called lababrador (or something like that) and It was
>> very pretty/flowey.
>
>as yes. labradford. nice nice nice.
>(my knowledge is limited so please flame me, i love it)
>        -precizion lp (double vinyl.flyingnunn/kranky)
>        -a stable reference (kranky.lp)
>        -scenic recovery (single)
>they are a three piece with gui/vox, bass, keys...

I just got 'A Stable Reference' last week actually (many thanks to Tim from
the IDM mailing list). Having never heard Labradford before, my immediate
impression was that it was a *very* similar to the Cure's 'Carnegie Visors'
- all that funereal keyboards, echo-laden guitar, etc. Very good stuff.

Will definately seek out their first one...

Mixed Up' has been released yet? I think it may be a UK only release. Wrote
to Sister Ray Records in London a few weeks back and they replied that they
have never had it - how long does the record company wait between releasing
an album and releasing the single?

Cheers,
Geoff.

amongst my Underworld/Orbital/Red House Painters/This Mortal
Coil/Spiritualized/David Sylivan/Pet Shop Boys/Beloved/Cure/Blue
Nile/Church/Spaceman 3/Unrest/Killing Joke/Tori Amos/Church/Led
Zeppelin/Neil Young/Pop Will Eat Itself/Nick Cave/Sisters of Mercy/Tea
Party/Not Drowning, Waving/System 7/Orb/My Bloody Valentine/Roy
Harper/Lush/Cocteau Twins collection there lurks...'Double Platinum'.....AND
I can't wait for the full-makeup reunion tour....there, I have purged my
guilt before all!


Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 09:21:30 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Lababrador or something

              at Oct 27, 96 01:17:11 pm

 "[spiral]" <99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU> wrote on Sun, 27 Oct 1996
 (Subject: Re: Lababrador or something)
 > On Sun, 27 Oct 1996, Frank Brinkhuis wrote:
 >
 > > That album, and Jessamine's first album on Kranky defined the
 > > Kranky sound, so saying they probably sound like a Kranky band is
 > > a very safe assumption!
 >
 > ah ha! someone who has heard jassamines stuff.  please elaborate..
 > using labradford as a starting point where do they fall..? line up?
 > good stuff? i almost bought it, but thought i better get someones
 > opinion.  mind you it wont take much to convince me.  :)

 I found the second album "The Long Arm of Coincidence" at the
 weekend, and it is every bit as good as the self-titled debut.
 Jessamine are a bit difficult to describe - they use antique
 synthesisers, distorted guitars, complex rhythms, male and female
 vocals.  Imagine Stereolab's more experimental side (but without
 Stereolab's repetitiveness), Sonic Youth's improvised side (but
 without Kim "Grunter" Gordon ruining everything by trying to sing),
 and Sonic Boom (Jessamine have been his backing band on occasion, and
 recently released an EP with him).  And the packaging for the new one
 is superb - that "post-rock" embossed wholemeal cardboard envelope
 style, but with really beautiful artwork.  Fellow Kranky bands Bowery
 Electric and Magnog are also worth a listen if you like this sort of
 thing (both a bit more guitar-oriented than Jessamine, and Magnog are
 a bit like a watered-down BE/Labradford mixture, but still pretty
 good).

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England
nja@le.ac.uk


Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 04:23:46 -0400
From: Music Man (BARKSDALE_EK%DV@CORNING.COM)
Subject: Re: Greeting


ariel,

    thanks.  at least someone makes me feel welcome.
keith "da music man and kiss fan" b.

Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 04:27:27 -0400
From: Music Man (BARKSDALE_EK%DV@CORNING.COM)
Subject: Re: Greeting


robn,

    i joined the list to get a better understanding about these bands.
from what other members have sent me, i've heard of some of these bands
and i have some of their cd's.  kiss isn't the only band i listen to.

da music man


Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 07:13:27 -0600
From: "Luis B. Abcede" (st5sd@JETSON.UH.EDU)
Subject: Re: a good ol' question about the pale saints...


Everything pre-In Ribbons:

Children Break on flexi (RARE)
Barging into the Presence of God EP
Comforts of Madness (LP)
Half-Life EP
Flesh Balloon EP
Mrs. Dolphin (LP)

All of those are fairly easy to find one the web with exception to the flexi.

-LuiS-

Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 08:11:00 EST
From: CALLAHAN (CALLAHAN%DIALOGVM@MCIMAIL.COM)
Subject: Orange and Sonya Waters


the tedious job of cataloguing all the vinyl comps at the station has
fallen to me, but it has its rewards. along with all the dreck are a
few comps with interesting things, like one i came across from 1985
with a song by Sonya Waters. could this be the same Sonya Waters of
Orange, released on Dewdrops? i don't have the comp info with me,
but if anyone is really into Sonya, i can post it. and maybe, just
maybe, i can make cassette copies if you can't go on living without
hearing it (i only listened to a minute of it, it seemed okay but
not remarkable).

--michael--
callahan%dialogvm@mcimail.com


Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 09:17:59 +0000
From: moran@hal-pc.org
Subject: Re: Breeders/Icelanders/REM


> >As the safari ep was released in 1982, two years after pod
>
> I had no idea the Breeders had been around that long...

oops, my mistake--I hit the 8 when I meant to hit the 9.  Safari came
out in 1992; thus Pod in 1990.
>
> >, and has
> >no repeat tracks associated with pod i'm not really sure where you
> >get that idea.  Aside from the fact that Tanya was still in the band
> >when this stuff was recorded I don't particularly see this version of
> >"do you love me now" as being particularly "Donneley-ized".  It is,
> >however, better than any of the other versions
>
> Where do the other versions appear?

One version is on the album Last Splash, while "do you love me now
jr" is the last track on the Divine Hammer ep.--jr being because j.
mascis plays or sings or something on it.



Well, I for one happen to like e-bow the letter... whenever Stipe
isn't "singing", that is.

moran@hal-pc.org


Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 11:22:04 PST
From: Tom Weibrecht (tweibrecht@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe me!!!!


you need serious psychriatric help...preferably for life...
On Sun, 27 Oct 1996 15:47:47 EST srchandler@juno.com writes:
>I want the fuck off here you mother fuckers!!!!  You scary dark death
>dorks who have nothing better than to email stupid fuckin messages all
>day!!!  I have tried to unsubscribe through the manner which was
>described and it said it was successful but  the head guy over this
>must be as fuckin stupid and as full of shit as all the rest of you
>loosers!!!!
>Please do all yourselfs a fucking favor and get me off this fucking
>fucked up mailing list!!!!
>God damn all of you,
>Spot!!!!

Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 12:18:29 -0500
From: Christian Grigis (cgrigis@BLACKNTAN.CGISYSTEMS.COM)
Subject: DCD single?


        Hello all list members!

        I heard recently people talking about a recent DCD
single ... does anyone have more info about this?

        Thanks!

-Christian

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 12:37:14 -0500
From: Matt Walburn/Summer Holiday (mdwalbur@STUDENT.BERKLEE.EDU)
Subject: Re: RHP single?


myself being an extreme RHP fan I have also researched far and wide about
the All Mixed Up single and guess what...  It's not out yet.  It is going
to be a UK release. but I'm sure it will be available on import.  Another
thing... It's "All Mixed Up" and 2 covers, one Neil Young and the other I
cant remember. The release date still isn't set.

You should check out their website... It will tell all... straight from
Marks lips(and Island/Sumpreme's)-->  

hope this helps.


Matt Walburn
Box #2179
Berklee College of Music
150 Massachusetts Avenue
Boston, MA 02115
email--> mdwalbur@student.berklee.edu
phone--> (617) 859-3936
"...wrapped in white sheets like an angel from a bedtime story."


Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 22:31:42 +0200
From: Yair Movshovitz (yair-m@USA.NET)
Subject: Re: superdrag


>Anyone heard the new song by superdrag. They totally ripped that song
>off from My Bloody Valentine. Track five from Loveless to be exact.
>Talentless hack bastards!

you mean you can actually tell apart the tracks on Loveless ?!

-naor-
"a few good jokes, lost in a sea of obscenity and boredom "

Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 21:15:04 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@APPLE.COM)
Subject: Can't we move this list?


It seems pretty blindingly obvious that we really need a list admin. Jim
Jones is history, I have no hope whatsoever that he'll ever show up
again. This list needs to get adopted by someone who's around and has a
bit of time to spend on it. We need a "welcome" message sent to new
subscribers, we need an admin to watch for the inevitable 'unsubscribe
me' messages and take care of them (although a filter in the server that
rejects anything with 'subscribe' in the title would be even better.)
Please, someone volunteer....

__________          ___________________          ________________________
Jens Alfke          Recovering C++ User          jens@apple.com     [work]
                                                 jens@mooseyard.com [play]

                       L.A. CIGAR -- TOO TRAGICAL
                                            _____________________________
                                            http://www.mooseyard.com/Jens/


Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 23:02:15 -0500
From: stereolad (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Kiss =/= 4AD


>when you responded to my question about kiss you didn't have to rake me
>over the coals and request that i should get off this list.  i subscribed
>to this list to find out what was discussed.  all you had to say (which a
>few of the members did) was send a message letting me know that kiss isn't
>discussed on this list a nicer way than was originally sent.  that's what
>upset me most.

I can't believe that anyone could even for one second think this list had
anything at all to do with Kiss. Where did you find out about this list and
what were you told?

>>i'm new to this list and i
>>did not receive any info on what was discussed until after i asked the
>>question.  most mailing lists that i'm on sends me some info on the list
>>right after i subscribe.

I suggest you do a web search for the "list of music mailing lists" (LOMML).
That should tell you what this list covers (and if there's a Kiss list as
well). There's also a FAQ for this list.

>maybe this list ought to do that also or is this
>the way you like to welcome new members?

You could at least have waited until you had gotten some mail from this list
- that would have given you some idea of what it was about.


Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 07:12:03 +0000
From: Geoffrey Elgey (elgey@FIT.QUT.EDU.AU)
Subject: Re: labradford & Carnegie Visors


At 08:56 PM 10/27/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Geoff,
>
>>Having never heard Labradford before, my immediate
>>impression was that it was a *very* similar to the Cure's 'Carnegie Visors'
>>- all that funereal keyboards, echo-laden guitar, etc. Very good stuff.
>
>Ha! That was my exact impression too, and I'm glad someone else came to
>it independently. Their first album doesn't have any bass guitar but is
>also brilliant, although some of it is a lot more ambient/droney than
>anything on the 2nd. Well worth getting.
>
>--Jens
>
>b-side of the original cassette release of "Faith", which a friend of
>mine has.

'Carnegie Visors' is a 27-minute instrumental used as a soundtrack for a
film that was played before Cure gigs back in '81, and has not (as far as I
know) been released on CD yet - the only release that I know of is the
B-side of the 'Faith' tape as you mentioned.

There are rumours that the Cure will be releasing an official B-sides
compilation CD next year, and even more rumours that there will be a
limited-edition version of this rumoured compilation, which would include
'Carnegie Visors'. I can't offer any confirmation of this though. *My*
suspicion is that the Cure will probably do something similar to ' Staring
At The Sea/Standing On A Beach' - ie, have a 'singles' compilation that
includes all the B-sides on the cassette release only.

However, I would dearly love to get a copy of 'Carnegie Visors' on CD - or
any copy at all actually. I've only heard it once, and that was listening to
a friend's tape about 5 years ago. Suffice to say that if you like
Labradford, you will *love* 'Carnegie Visors'.

Cheers,
Geoff

Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 15:46:44 -0600
From: Chad Dorton (slr4s@CC.USU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Can't we move this list?


        For the entire (about 1 year) time I've been on this list, I
though Jens WAS the list admin....


On Sun, 27 Oct 1996, Jens Alfke wrote:

> It seems pretty blindingly obvious that we really need a list admin. Jim
> Jones is history, I have no hope whatsoever that he'll ever show up
> again. This list needs to get adopted by someone who's around and has a
> bit of time to spend on it. We need a "welcome" message sent to new
> subscribers, we need an admin to watch for the inevitable 'unsubscribe
> me' messages and take care of them (although a filter in the server that
> rejects anything with 'subscribe' in the title would be even better.)
> Please, someone volunteer....
>
> __________          ___________________          ________________________
> Jens Alfke          Recovering C++ User          jens@apple.com     [work]
>                                                  jens@mooseyard.com [play]
>
>                        L.A. CIGAR -- TOO TRAGICAL
>                                             _____________________________
>                                             http://www.mooseyard.com/Jens/
>


Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 16:44:35 -0800
From: Strick9 (beswick@scf-fs.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: nature of the troll (was: NOT an apology)


Sorry...I couldn't resist this one:

>
>  Kiss is to 4AD as
> apples are to oranges."
>

Then what are the Paladins to 4AD?


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